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The Dawntreader
Jul 6th, 2009, 04:37 PM
Having watched the Wimbledon final, i was immensely impressed by the way Serena was playing. She looked extremely well-conditioned and for the first time in years, her demeanour was spot-on. No silly tantrums or agonised expressions- she just looked focused and ready to win Wimbledon again.

Her play overall IMO was the closest i've seen to '2002Rena'. She was striking the ball so powerfully with added depth and control and in that second set she was whipping Venus Williams around the court, making the 5 time champ look under-powered. I'm saying this as a huge Venus fan here. The way she was serving too. I've never seen Venus struggling so much to get a racquet on a ball on the return.

Sure people will argue that, 'Venus wasn't at her best', or 'The win in Australia in '07 was more impressive', but i would argue that beating a reigning 5 time champ in a final>>beating Sharapova in her first Aussie Open final. Plus the athletic ability of Venus is alwaus going to prove more of a problem.

If Serena can sustain this kind of form, it's very beneficial for the tour IMO. It enforces more of a hierachy that will hopefully force the best out of everything again. What has been proven this year is that Serena is dominating the Slams again, and everyone else needs to rise to challenge. It's going to be a facinating 2nd half of the season.

vadin124
Jul 6th, 2009, 04:53 PM
Australian Open 07 final was the best i've EVER seen her play

if Venus had played well in the Wimby final, then fair enough...but Venus played the worst match i've seen her play at SW19 since 2004 when she lost to Sprem...no fight, no nothing!

santhuruu
Jul 6th, 2009, 05:06 PM
I even think Serena played closer to her 2002/2003 form at the US OPEN last year, Service wise it was very close to her 2002/2003 form, but volley and especially groundstrokes wise, she was much and much better during the 2003 edition of Wimbledon, for an example you should check out the Williams vs Henin semi-final match of Wimbledon 2003 on youtube!

Olórin
Jul 6th, 2009, 05:09 PM
Her 2002 SF against Mauresmo is the best I have ever seen her play. That's the benchmark and this final wasn't far off. The tiebreak was vintage 2002 stuff, controlled power, with the odd surprising element of touch, i.e. the lob which won set point.

The AO 07 match was devastating off the ground but Serena served better in the two Wimbledon matches I mentioned, simply aces galore, nailing the line everytime.

TSequoia01
Jul 6th, 2009, 06:01 PM
Her 2002 SF against Mauresmo is the best I have ever seen her play. That's the benchmark and this final wasn't far off. The tiebreak was vintage 2002 stuff, controlled power, with the odd surprising element of touch, i.e. the lob which won set point.

The AO 07 match was devastating off the ground but Serena served better in the two Wimbledon matches I mentioned, simply aces galore, nailing the line everytime.
Ditto. That match against Mauresmo was the highest level physically that Serena has reached in my opinion. Powerful, fast, and quick. Now she may be smarter, even serve better, but overall that was her zenith in my opinion.

Serenita
Jul 6th, 2009, 06:07 PM
AO 07 was Serena best performance from her groundies.
But Serve wise wimby 09, this is the best Serena has ever served.

volta
Jul 6th, 2009, 06:10 PM
Her 2002 SF against Mauresmo is the best I have ever seen her play. That's the benchmark and this final wasn't far off. The tiebreak was vintage 2002 stuff, controlled power, with the odd surprising element of touch, i.e. the lob which won set point.

The AO 07 match was devastating off the ground but Serena served better in the two Wimbledon matches I mentioned, simply aces galore, nailing the line everytime.

ur back ? :banana:

and i agree

jubliant11
Jul 6th, 2009, 06:11 PM
Yep, the Mauresmo match was better.

BlameSerena
Jul 6th, 2009, 06:17 PM
Her play overall IMO was the closest i've seen to '2002Rena'. She was striking the ball so powerfully with added depth and control and in that second set she was whipping Venus Williams around the court, making the 5 time champ look under-powered. I'm saying this as a huge Venus fan here. The way she was serving too. I've never seen Venus struggling so much to get a racquet on a ball on the return.

If Serena can sustain this kind of form, it's very beneficial for the tour IMO.

Just watched again and I completely agree. This isn't her absolute best performance in a slam final, but I think this is the closest she's been to 02 Rena, and yes there is a distinction IMO.

She hit with so much depth, limiting Vee's net game. And her serve was obviously dominant. She became more aggressive in the tie break, and didn't have a lull, thus keeping her emotions in check...which can be problematic for her.

I do think, however, that her best final performance in a slam came in 07 at the AO, but don't think she was close to the 02 form in terms of fitness...didn't need to be though; she was zoned out.

I'm specifically comparing slam finals of 02 as compared to the ones since. Definitely the best slam final based on form since then.

Olórin
Jul 6th, 2009, 06:28 PM
ur back ? :banana:

and i agree

Aww thank you :hug:

Yeah I am, post exams and celebrations etc. :p

InsideOut.
Jul 6th, 2009, 07:34 PM
I think her best ever was the AO final 07 really. :p

Lulu.
Jul 6th, 2009, 07:42 PM
Close but I still think AO 07' was more impressive.

Nemo_Kool
Jul 6th, 2009, 07:53 PM
aside from her serve what i have beeeen very very very pleased about is her concentration and focus. She has very few crybabyrena blips and seems zoned in for EVERY point!

Gumbycat
Jul 6th, 2009, 07:59 PM
Serena is serving better than ever before. But the most intense match I have ever seen Serena play was the Australian Open Final in 2007. That was much more than a tennis match to Serena.

tennisIlove09
Jul 6th, 2009, 08:24 PM
From start to finish in a tournament, yes. But per match, no. 2007 OZ final was just down right scary good.

bandabou
Jul 6th, 2009, 09:16 PM
Her serve probably has never been better. I think right now she's a more complete player..can beat you with serve, power, mental, touch..

LightWarrior
Jul 6th, 2009, 09:53 PM
It's hard to compare with 2002/03 anywayway. He style of play is different, it used to be about power only. She has added finesse and more variety to her game since then. For instance she never did those short cross-court forehands in the past that earned her so many points against Venus on Saturday

Denise4925
Jul 6th, 2009, 10:20 PM
I think she's better now. More well-rounded game. Her lobs now are :drool: Her serve is off the chain and her slices are getting better and better. I think AO '07 she played more like '02/'03 years, ala great serve and powerful groundstrokes. But now, the opponent doesn't know what to expect. Her serves and returns kept Vee pinned behind that baseline and Vee went for too much.

John.
Jul 6th, 2009, 10:40 PM
For me, yes. It was controlled agression and focus for a whole fortnight without any let down.

Her performance at OZ 07 Final was superb, but but this time, she sustained that form from the first ball of the tournament

The Dawntreader
Jul 6th, 2009, 10:47 PM
Serena is moving much more effectively to me than she has for years. In saturday's final, her footwork was precise and her body low which is a good sign for Serena. It enables her to hit BIG in good positioning.

LightWarrior
Jul 6th, 2009, 11:04 PM
Serena is moving much more effectively to me than she has for years. In saturday's final, her footwork was precise and her body low which is a good sign for Serena. It enables her to hit BIG in good positioning.

But keep in mind this is grass, which means low boucnces. Her footwork was awful at RG (even though she was still a bit injured).

The Dawntreader
Jul 6th, 2009, 11:14 PM
But keep in mind this is grass, which means low boucnces. Her footwork was awful at RG (even though she was still a bit injured).

Her footwork was hardly stellar at Wimbledon last year though :shrug:

bandabou
Jul 7th, 2009, 09:20 PM
On track for winning 3 majors in a year for the second time in her career. That'd be something!

Calypso
Jul 7th, 2009, 10:01 PM
No.
A.O 2007 final against Sharapova.
This year's Wimby final was also a very good performance.

SAEKeithSerena
Jul 7th, 2009, 10:03 PM
Wimbledon 2009 was the best serena has served at ANY Grand Slam tournament. don't you agree?

Denise4925
Jul 7th, 2009, 11:24 PM
For me, yes. It was controlled agression and focus for a whole fortnight without any let down.

Her performance at OZ 07 Final was superb, but but this time, she sustained that form from the first ball of the tournament

True.

RebelPrince
Jul 8th, 2009, 03:33 AM
It's hard to compare with 2002/03 anywayway. He style of play is different, it used to be about power only. She has added finesse and more variety to her game since then. For instance she never did those short cross-court forehands in the past that earned her so many points against Venus on Saturday

Actually that is not true. In 2002 Serena was known for the soft cross-court FH which she used to great effect during the clay season. I remember Pam and Mary Joe constantly mentioning how it added another dimension to her game as a changeup from the power drives. Overall Serena's style is similar but better and more fine tuned now with age.

Overall I think she is better now. Sure Serena was extremely aggressive always back then, but in terms of stroke production, I think when she is in the zone now, she is even deadlier. In matches like 07 Australia final, 09 Aus final, and here 2009 Wimbledon she hits better than ever with LESS errors than in the past, and the serve is stellar as always.

Stamp Paid
Jul 8th, 2009, 03:42 AM
And Im so glad that it happened against Venus, and at Wimbledon :hearts:

AcesHigh
Jul 8th, 2009, 03:51 AM
They both played pretty poorly aside from the serving. She served as well as I've seen her serve since her peak.

But I still think she's nowhere near her peak 2002-2003 form. She's still more than a step slower and her footwork is sloppy. Luckily, she doesnt need much to dominate the tour now but 02/03 Rena would have swept through this field without being taken to a tiebreak.

RebelPrince
Jul 8th, 2009, 04:13 AM
Yeah I completely disagree with that, If Serena's footwork was sloppy this tournament then I'm not sure if we watched the same Wimbledon. When she's hitting tons of winners with very few errors and accelerating through her shots it's because she is in position and moving her feet. Serena was MUCH better at this Wimbledon than say in 2003. She had the great SF against Henin there but was dismal in the QF against Capriati and all over the place in the final.
Her footworks gets a nod from me for this tournament.

Cakeisgood
Jul 8th, 2009, 08:58 AM
I don't even think Ree was that stellar off the ground. Vee let her get away with silly mistakes. AO 07 Final was way scarier.

But serving wise.... damn....

bandabou
Jul 8th, 2009, 09:09 AM
Luckily, she doesnt need much to dominate the tour now but 02/03 Rena would have swept through this field without being taken to a tiebreak.

Sounds like someone can't handle the truth: Serena is THAT great! Nothing to do with the rest of the field..

'Cause if we've to go down that road...what does it say about the GOAT, Roger Federer, being taken to 16-14 in the 5th set by Andy Roddick?

Olórin
Jul 8th, 2009, 11:54 AM
They both played pretty poorly aside from the serving. She served as well as I've seen her serve since her peak.

But I still think she's nowhere near her peak 2002-2003 form. She's still more than a step slower and her footwork is sloppy. Luckily, she doesnt need much to dominate the tour now but 02/03 Rena would have swept through this field without being taken to a tiebreak.

Do you even watch tennis?

Her footwork was sloppy? More than a step slower? Seriously man, get a grip.

MyskinaManiac
Jul 8th, 2009, 12:26 PM
I think Serena's anticipation has greatly improved. It's possibly her biggest strength.

She didn't play big hitting tennis of the 02/03 Serena, however, she did play very good tennis. I'd still rate her against 02/03 Serena... she's more of a rounded player. As for Venus, well, she wasn't really tested on her route to the final and it was telling.

TSequoia01
Jul 8th, 2009, 12:42 PM
Reading the poster's views as to which Rena was best is interesting. Those who point to today's Rena one who is serving better and is playing smarter make a strong point. Those who point to the athletic Rena of 02, who ran like a gazelle, hit powerful shots off of both sides in the corners and close to the lines do as well. I've heard Serena say often she would beat the player of 02//03. Well having tapes of both, I disagree. The Serena of 02 would defeat the Wimbledon Champ of this week. Serena has lost quickness, and yes she is a step slow. She is smarter though and that counts for much.

AcesHigh
Jul 8th, 2009, 01:16 PM
It's Wimbledon.. obviously her footwork and speed aren't going to be exposed here. I was talking about in general over 2009. When less than a 1/4 of your rallies are over 3 strokes than I don't think you're going to get a good measure of many aspects of a player's game.
Nonetheless, this Wimbledon, she played very well, but seriously? Her forehand was very spotty at times and off the ground, I still think 02/03 Rena is miles ahead.

AcesHigh
Jul 8th, 2009, 01:16 PM
Sounds like someone can't handle the truth: Serena is THAT great! Nothing to do with the rest of the field..

'Cause if we've to go down that road...what does it say about the GOAT, Roger Federer, being taken to 16-14 in the 5th set by Andy Roddick?

What posters on message boards don't seem to understand is that Roddick is a very good player. Nothing embarassing about being stretched that far by someone with such a great serve. Someone who is a 3-time Wimbledon finalist with 4 grasscourt titles.

bandabou
Jul 8th, 2009, 01:58 PM
Reading the poster's views as to which Rena was best is interesting. Those who point to today's Rena one who is serving better and is playing smarter make a strong point. Those who point to the athletic Rena of 02, who ran like a gazelle, hit powerful shots off of both sides in the corners and close to the lines do as well. I've heard Serena say often she would beat the player of 02//03. Welling having tapes of both, I disagree. The Serena of 02 would defeat the Wimbledon Champ of this week. Serena has lost quickness, and yes she is a step slow. She is smarter though and that counts for much.

She just evolved..a la MJ back in the days..in the first three-peat it was all about dunking on people. Then he came back and it became more with the fadeaway jumpshot.

Adapted to a lesser athleticism.

bandabou
Jul 8th, 2009, 02:08 PM
What posters on message boards don't seem to understand is that Roddick is a very good player. Nothing embarassing about being stretched that far by someone with such a great serve. Someone who is a 3-time Wimbledon finalist with 4 grasscourt titles.

As long as he wins, right? Yet you came out moaning that there ain't nobody to challenge Serena...despite the fact that she needed to save mp and three sets to overcome Elena D at Wimbledon.. same for the Oz open, had to overcome Sveta who served for the match, etc..

Why's that?

bandabou
Jul 8th, 2009, 02:09 PM
It's Wimbledon.. obviously her footwork and speed aren't going to be exposed here. I was talking about in general over 2009. When less than a 1/4 of your rallies are over 3 strokes than I don't think you're going to get a good measure of many aspects of a player's game.
Nonetheless, this Wimbledon, she played very well, but seriously? Her forehand was very spotty at times and off the ground, I still think 02/03 Rena is miles ahead.

Sureee...and of course all this dominating is because Juju retired..Juju would've whiped the floor with Serena.

Sorry...just sounds like somebody can't handle Serena winning all the majors. Roger benefits from Rafa being injured/ ousted early..no word.

Serena wins, it's all because there ain't no depth, blah blah..

Avid Merrion
Jul 8th, 2009, 02:11 PM
Serena was impressive right through the whole tournament imo. the only minor blip she had was for about a set and a half in the doubles final! :lol:

bandabou
Jul 8th, 2009, 05:29 PM
Serena was impressive right through the whole tournament imo. the only minor blip she had was for about a set and a half in the doubles final! :lol:

:lol: she was really bad...