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Fabunny
Jul 4th, 2009, 03:55 PM
Even though Venus refuses to admit it publicly, she IS suffering from pain in her left knee. Because Venus has played so much tennis - every day this week - the inflammation in her knee has became more of a factor and obviously affected her movement in the final.

Serena brought her A game today - solid serving, good returns and few errors and deserved to win. However, make no mistake, Venus was not on her game by a mile. The only reason the scoreline looked respectable was because Venus' serve helped her serve.

If you review the match you will notice that Venus was not moving as well as she moved 2 days ago - so much so that she fell twice. Venus could not get to balls that she was tracking down throughout the fortnight. When get to balls, she looked awkward and her footing was off. Venus looked dejected throughout the final because she was in pain and her knee hindered her from playing at her optimal level.

Venus also did not move well in the doubles semifinals yesterday. Without her agility, one of her weapons on the grass - Venus is reduced to a close to average player.

Rafa had the same issue at the French Open this year. Like Venus, the knee injury affected his movement on his favorite surface yet he continued to play through the pain because the Grand Slam meant so much to him. They both are too professional to withdraw from a Grand Slam match. Unfortunately for Rafa, Soderling knocked him out early.

Venus needs to take 1 month off to rest and rehabilitate her knee. However, knowing Venus, she will honor her commitment to Billie Jean and play World Team tennis later this month and then withdraw from her upcoming WTA tournament with a knee injury.

Sam L
Jul 4th, 2009, 03:58 PM
She should've withdrawn from the doubles.

Dodoboy.
Jul 4th, 2009, 04:02 PM
omg :o

Fabunny
Jul 4th, 2009, 04:03 PM
Venus will not withdraw - they are the defending champions. Venus has dodged the question all week, including last night when Mary Carillo asked her about her knee. She doesn't want to use it as an excuse - period. Oracene is very honest - she would not admit that Venus is in pain if she wasn't.

If you recall, Venus played the 2003 Wimbledon final against Serena with an abdominal tear when she could barely serve. The injury kept her off the tour for months.
Serena will carry Venus in the doubles final - Venus will serve and Serena will put away the reply at the net.

The Daviator
Jul 4th, 2009, 04:08 PM
Total BS, but I knew someone would start this thread, she lost 20 games in 6 matches on the way to the final and she was injured? Serena lost 17 alone in her semi!

ladydiana
Jul 4th, 2009, 04:33 PM
I'm not gonna excuse Venus' performance and say she pulled a Rafa. If that's the case then Venus should have pulled out of the doubles and just focused on the singles. But since she chose to play singles and doubles, then I'm not gonna use her knee as an excuse.

AcesHigh
Jul 4th, 2009, 04:46 PM
She was fine physically. The only thing broken is that godawful serve.

vwfan
Jul 4th, 2009, 04:46 PM
She lost. Serena outserved her. It was not about the rallies.

Even if she had been able to move better or showed up for the second set, Serena's serving was unbelievably good today. :o

BuTtErFrEnA
Jul 4th, 2009, 04:46 PM
:rolls: so she went from moving perfectly to being injured over night??? demolishing EVERYONE and serena needing to raise her level because venus is grassgoat and too awesome, to venus is like rafa?

miffedmax
Jul 4th, 2009, 04:49 PM
I am sick unto death of Serena's fucking serve.

I call upon all the powers of Mommy Vera to curse her with the 1 o'clock--nay, the two o'clock toss.

:banana: <--Me doing my evil mojo dance

comfortably.numb
Jul 4th, 2009, 05:00 PM
Oh my God. So so so dead at Venus fans today. :bigcry:

simonsaystennis
Jul 4th, 2009, 05:09 PM
Even if she's injured, it didn't inhibit her play throughout the tournament. Obviously if you thrash the world number 1 in the semis, you're pretty healthy. Luckily she has a month to rest it so hopefully whatever this is will go away.

Sir Stefwhit
Jul 4th, 2009, 05:09 PM
RE: VENUS playing in pain

Yeah the pain of watchin' baby sis take her crown!

Long live the new Queen of Wimbledon!!!

HippityHop
Jul 4th, 2009, 05:16 PM
Total BS, but I knew someone would start this thread, she lost 20 games in 6 matches on the way to the final and she was injured? Serena lost 17 alone in her semi!

Funny how some people were saying that Jelena was injured when she went out and very few complained.

Double standards abound.

Thanx4nothin
Jul 4th, 2009, 05:46 PM
She was fine physically. The only thing broken is that godawful serve.

Define 'Godawful'. From what I seen, Venus served well. Serena served better, what a surprise, she does have the best serve ever.

FoxyliciousKhat
Jul 4th, 2009, 05:46 PM
Total BS, but I knew someone would start this thread, she lost 20 games in 6 matches on the way to the final and she was injured? Serena lost 17 alone in her semi!

I know! I wish other Vee fans would stop with the excuses. I will concede that Vee played horrible from 2/2 in the second set but she showed no signs of being injured. She played less than Serena all tournament in singles and even their doubles were routine. Serena just came with a will, game and desire today that could not be matched.

Foxy

ladydiana
Jul 4th, 2009, 05:57 PM
Serena served the way she always does. Venus knows Serena's serve just like Serena knows Venus' serve. Serena is serving the same way she did when Jennifer Capriatit use to hit off of her serve. It's the same serve that Justine Henin can hit off of. Serena was serving the same way when she played Elena and she almost lost that match. Venus played a lack luster horrible match and her serve was horrible, and that allowed Serena to capitalize on Venus' second serve. Playing the way Venus did, she deserved to lose. Don't get to the finals and bring that kind of game to the courts. You know it was horrible and lack luster when the commentators were not even saying that much. Venus was terrible just like Safina was horrible in her match.

toxina90
Jul 4th, 2009, 05:59 PM
Even though Venus refuses to admit it publicly, she IS suffering from pain in her left knee. Because Venus has played so much tennis - every day this week - the inflammation in her knee has became more of a factor and obviously affected her movement in the final.

Serena brought her A game today - solid serving, good returns and few errors and deserved to win. However, make no mistake, Venus was not on her game by a mile. The only reason the scoreline looked respectable was because Venus' serve helped her serve.

If you review the match you will notice that Venus was not moving as well as she moved 2 days ago - so much so that she fell twice. Venus could not get to balls that she was tracking down throughout the fortnight. When get to balls, she looked awkward and her footing was off. Venus looked dejected throughout the final because she was in pain and her knee hindered her from playing at her optimal level.

Venus also did not move well in the doubles semifinals yesterday. Without her agility, one of her weapons on the grass - Venus is reduced to a close to average player.

Rafa had the same issue at the French Open this year. Like Venus, the knee injury affected his movement on his favorite surface yet he continued to play through the pain because the Grand Slam meant so much to him. They both are too professional to withdraw from a Grand Slam match. Unfortunately for Rafa, Soderling knocked him out early.

Venus needs to take 1 month off to rest and rehabilitate her knee. However, knowing Venus, she will honor her commitment to Billie Jean and play World Team tennis later this month and then withdraw from her upcoming WTA tournament with a knee injury.

I agree, last year in the final especially she was like a cheetah, this year she was about as nimble as a sloth :(

Sir Stefwhit
Jul 4th, 2009, 05:59 PM
I know! I wish other Vee fans would stop with the excuses. I will concede that Vee played horrible from 2/2 in the second set but she showed no signs of being injured. She played less than Serena all tournament in singles and even their doubles were routine. Serena just came with a will, game and desire today that could not be matched.

Foxy
Now this is the kind of Venus fan that Venus would be proud of. Poor losers offer nothing but excuses and at the end of the day it doesn't do much to taint the win. But fans who don't make excuses and instead offer thanks to the other side, they display a maturity that's refreshing.

Venus has had her moment in the sun and Im sure she'll have plenty more. Two warriors went out and did battle and on this day the better one won- just like Venus said. I'm sure Venus will have her moment again... Their rivalry lives on!!

Fabunny
Jul 4th, 2009, 06:14 PM
It's not just about the serve, the confidence that comes from superior movement and agility plays a major roll as well. Ivo Karlovic out-aces many of his opponents and he still loses.

Venus is not using her knee as an excuse and I am not either. Venus lost fair and square because Serena outplayed her today. PERIOD

The point i'm making is that just because a player denies that an injury affected play or dodged the question does not mean that the player is not injured, or hindered enough to not play their best. On grass, Venus can beat most players on one leg.

When Rafa, the King of Clay, lost the match against Soderling at the French Open, he said he was fine and gave Soderling the credit for playing better tennis. A couple of days later, he admitted that his knee was a problem, withdrew from Queens, and later withdrew from Wimbledon even though he was the defending champion.

I just hope Venus wises up and takes time off. Venus didn't move well yesterday or today. Both of her parents stated that she has knee pain. Venus has admitted on a number of occasions that it was not a smart decision to play through pain, yet she played anyway. I just hope her decision doesn't cause her any significant time away from court when she has a chance to gain match wins in the US Open series.

VeeReeDavJCap81
Jul 4th, 2009, 06:19 PM
RE: VENUS playing in pain

Yeah the pain of watchin' baby sis take her crown!

Long live the new Queen of Wimbledon!!!

Venus is still the Queen :lol: 5>3 in ALL math books.

thrust
Jul 4th, 2009, 06:21 PM
She should've withdrawn from the doubles.

YES, and she should not risk further injury, playing team tennis which is a waste of time.

VishaalMaria
Jul 4th, 2009, 06:46 PM
Now this is the kind of Venus fan that Venus would be proud of. Poor losers offer nothing but excuses and at the end of the day it doesn't do much to taint the win. But fans who don't make excuses and instead offer thanks to the other side, they display a maturity that's refreshing.

Venus has had her moment in the sun and Im sure she'll have plenty more. Two warriors went out and did battle and on this day the better one won- just like Venus said. I'm sure Venus will have her moment again... Their rivalry lives on!!


Venus will definitely have her moments in the sun especially agaisnt Serena. This is Serena's moment in the sun, and of course their rivalry lives on. It's not the end of the world.

And talking about respect, dont be such a hypocrite. Last year when Serena lost in the final you were less than all "classy". Maybe you should respect Venus as a player, and congratulate Serena's opponents too when Serena loses. You dont do that when Serena loses, but you're all up yourself when she wins.

You have too many faces.

And Serena, the queen of Wimbledon? Like whatever. 5 beats 3.

BuTtErFrEnA
Jul 4th, 2009, 06:46 PM
It's not just about the serve, the confidence that comes from superior movement and agility plays a major roll as well. Ivo Karlovic out-aces many of his opponents and he still loses.

Venus is not using her knee as an excuse and I am not either. Venus lost fair and square because Serena outplayed her today. PERIOD

The point i'm making is that just because a player denies that an injury affected play or dodged the question does not mean that the player is not injured, or hindered enough to not play their best. On grass, Venus can beat most players on one leg.

When Rafa, the King of Clay, lost the match against Soderling at the French Open, he said he was fine and gave Soderling the credit for playing better tennis. A couple of days later, he admitted that his knee was a problem, withdrew from Queens, and later withdrew from Wimbledon even though he was the defending champion.

I just hope Venus wises up and takes time off. Venus didn't move well yesterday or today. Both of her parents stated that she has knee pain. Venus has admitted on a number of occasions that it was not a smart decision to play through pain, yet she played anyway. I just hope her decision doesn't cause her any significant time away from court when she has a chance to gain match wins in the US Open series.

:bs:

jubliant11
Jul 4th, 2009, 06:50 PM
Venus is still the Queen :lol: 5>3 in ALL math books.

But she is 1/4 in Wimbledon finals to her main rival and is losing the overall grass H2H 3-2.

It honestly isn't that convincing that Serena took it this year. Had she won and it was 6 to 2 in titles, 3-2 FOR Venus overall on grass, and 2-2 in finals I would give it to her.

If Serena wins it next year, Serena for me will be more of a Queen.

Fabunny
Jul 4th, 2009, 07:02 PM
Last year when Venus won and Serena was so upset, Venus told the public that she would and busted her ass to win the doubles so that Serena would also go home a winner.
This year when Serena won, you would think Serena would do the same for her sister. On the contrary, Serena gets broken, is making a ton of UE and it is Venus that is carrying the team with her serve and net game.

Venus is the ultimate professional. I am very proud of the way she handled herself in defeat in singles and how she stepped it up in the doubles. :banana:

BuTtErFrEnA
Jul 4th, 2009, 07:04 PM
:rolls: serena i hope you lose just so fabunny has nothing to celebrate :rolls:

Thanx4nothin
Jul 4th, 2009, 07:05 PM
But she is 1/4 in Wimbledon finals to her main rival and is losing the overall grass H2H 3-2.

It honestly isn't that convincing that Serena took it this year. Had she won and it was 6 to 2 in titles, 3-2 FOR Venus overall on grass, and 2-2 in finals I would give it to her.

If Serena wins it next year, Serena for me will be more of a Queen.

Good points! But for me, until Serena has 5, Venus is Queen! ;);)

Fabunny
Jul 4th, 2009, 07:15 PM
:rolls: serena i hope you lose just so fabunny has nothing to celebrate :rolls:

I am celebrating Serena's victory. Serena played an outstanding singles match and deserved her win.

I am happy for Serena. I don't why you would think I would begrudge her well-earned victory.

The goal at Wimbledon is Williams take all. I need Serena to step it up and do her part so that both will earn the doubles win.

azinna
Jul 4th, 2009, 07:24 PM
On ESPN.com, Bud Collins has this theory that the knee prevented Venus from returning the out-wide serve better? I really don't know about that. But I doubt this match was lost because of the knee. Venus had one chance to break Serena in the 1st and didn't capitalize. Then her 1st serve deserted her in the 2nd. The knee wasn't a factor at those key moments.

Meanwhile, Serena was calm, aggressive and positive with herself. And she took the opportunities she created. That was what won her that 1st TB. And gave her a serious mental/pressure advantage going into the 2nd.

ikarinokami
Jul 4th, 2009, 07:27 PM
On ESPN.com, Bud Collins has this theory that the knee prevented Venus from returning the out-wide serve better? I really don't know about that. But I doubt this match was lost because of the knee. Venus had one chance to break Serena in the 1st and didn't capitalize. Then her 1st serve deserted her in the 2nd. The knee wasn't a factor at those key moments.

Meanwhile, Serena was calm, aggressive and positive with herself. And she took the opportunities she created. That was what won her that 1st TB. And gave her a serious mental/pressure advantage going into the 2nd.

Bud is stunned like the rest of us, he is just trying to avoid the elephant in the room, that venus the big sister showed up today.

Knizzle
Jul 4th, 2009, 07:57 PM
That's not why she lost though, she could have had chances to win, knee and all.

rafa the best
Jul 4th, 2009, 08:35 PM
Why are Serena fans mean to Venus??? I love them both and I wanted Serena to win but I think there must have been something wrong with Venus' knee, she was taped and her movement did look bad at some points, she also fell several times. I'm not saying it was the reason why Serena won, she was amazing today , but it probably did affect Venus in a way.

Fabunny
Jul 4th, 2009, 08:38 PM
Venus lost because Serena brought her A-Game; Venus didn't serve as well as Serena or in her previous matches; she didn't return Serena's serve as Serena returned hers or as she rturned serve all week; she made too many unforced errors; didn't convert her break point opportunities; and she didn't move as well.

We are all happy that Serena won her well-earned singles match and both won the doubles. Let's just pray that Venus will show up and play well during the US Open series this year and not skip like she did last year.

Venus has a chance to reclaim the the #1 ranking by playing well this summer and winning the US Open. Somehow, I don't see Venus playing enough tournaments to get there.