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joćo.
Jul 3rd, 2009, 05:56 PM
Wimbledon - Reed: Women's tennis in doldrums


Eurosport-Yahoo! blogger Simon Reed believes women's tennis is at a low point thanks to the Williams sisters.

Women's tennis has been in the doldrums recently, with the presence of the Williams sisters required to give tournaments any prestige.

I am optimistic that at the end of the year things could improve and return to a competitive environment, but at the moment the American duo are dominant.

Women's tennis is riding a bad wave at the moment. By next year, however, that wave will be on the rise again: it tends to be a cyclical process.

What has happened to the women's game since Justine Henin retired is the Williams sisters have been left to control proceedings.

Maria Sharapova will be a threat when she recovers fully from injury and Kim Clijsters will return to provide a test, but I am not sure about Jelena Jankovic or Ana Ivanovic.

There is still no doubt in my mind that Serena Williams is the number one player in the world, except possibly on grass where her sister Venus is slightly better.

The rest of the women are, I am afraid, quite a long way behind the pair.

I have always thought that when the Williams sisters are fit, they are easily the best players in the women's game, and today proved that.

The two semi-finals were not a surprise at all, with only the superb performance of Elena Dementieva giving us an exciting match.

I expected the Russian to succumb to nerves once more, but to her credit she did not - and it was a fantastic encounter.

Dinara Safina's world number one ranking is a bit deceptive, given that she has never won a Grand Slam, but it is certainly not her fault that the system is like that.

Some people are criticising her for the fact that she should not be there, but she is consistent on the Tour; to blame her is ridiculous.

Safina has clearly had better results than everyone else this year to achieve that ranking, but I think the system should be changed to reward Grand Slams more.

The weighting of the points system must be more heavily in favour of those players, like the Williams sisters, who perform on the biggest stage.

It is weird that Serena could potentially win the Australian Open and Wimbledon, yet still remain in second spot: that cannot be right.

Safina has never been any good when playing on grass courts, and it was frankly surprising that she even made it this far in the tournament.

I could see her drubbing today coming from a mile off, and it would have been the same if she had been playing Serena instead of Venus.

Safina is simply not a good mover on grass courts, but I would not be surprised if she came back at the US Open and proved a major threat.

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Looking ahead to the women's final on Saturday, I may have to switch horses.

I am not one to change my mind very often, but I am moving towards Venus Williams for the title instead of Serena.

I have backed Serena to win the tournament all the way through in an all-Williams final, but the way Venus played today, you would be a brave man not to back her.

It is impossibly difficult to call with the way they are both striking the ball.

I think people are wrong to suggest that it may be a boring final, because I actually believe that it could be very exciting indeed.

Because the Williams sisters have been around for so long, people are now able to associate with one more than the other, and they have very distinct supporters on either side.

Any alternative to this final could well have been a disaster, with either Safina or Dementieva freezing on the big stage, and that would have been a complete nightmare.

An all-Williams final is probably the best draw possible, and let us hope that it is as exciting as the first semi-final was today.

Simon Reed / Eurosport

http://eurosport.yahoo.com/03072009/58/wimbledon-reed-women-s-tennis-doldrums.html

serenus_2k8
Jul 3rd, 2009, 05:59 PM
What...it takes the WS presence to give a tournament prestige and yet its their fault the WTA sucks. Nice logic :unsure:

BuTtErFrEnA
Jul 3rd, 2009, 06:00 PM
i didn't even get past the first set of logic :lol:

V's a star
Jul 3rd, 2009, 06:02 PM
fuck simon reed:bigwave:

Lysias
Jul 3rd, 2009, 06:03 PM
Full of platitudes.

Bijoux0021
Jul 3rd, 2009, 06:06 PM
Poor haters! :wavey:

starin
Jul 3rd, 2009, 06:06 PM
:spit: is it 2002 again?!?! :hearts::hearts::hearts:
this is almost identical to the stuff that came out then. All we need is Mary Carillo, Navartilova and co. to complain on air about how the WS are bad for women's tennis and it will truly be 2002 again.

I'm not getting my hopes up though. I'm just going to enjoy this moment and this article for what it is. A huge compliment to the WS achievements! :worship: Venus & Serena!!

jefrilibra
Jul 3rd, 2009, 06:07 PM
He's just an idiot who knows nothing about tennis. He's beeen hyping Murray so much in the last fortnight and guess what? Murray just lost to Roddick!!! Eggs on his fugly face!!!:haha: :haha: :haha:

Marshmallow
Jul 3rd, 2009, 06:07 PM
Where does he say the WS are to blame? I thought it was complimentary to the sisters but I am tired and pretty much skimmed it.

Miss Atomic Bomb
Jul 3rd, 2009, 06:59 PM
I love it when the haters go all rampant :hearts: WS winning this much is the biggest middle finger to all their doubters and haters.

GO WS! Prove them wrong over and over again :drool:

Inktrailer
Jul 3rd, 2009, 07:04 PM
I stopped reading when he said the duo are dominant. Venus is not dominant away from London.

T-rex
Jul 3rd, 2009, 07:06 PM
The thread title and the contents of the article don't make sense to me.


I thought the article was criticizing everyone currently on tour except the WS.

tennisbum79
Jul 3rd, 2009, 07:06 PM
Another reporter looking for the Great White Hope

T-rex
Jul 3rd, 2009, 07:09 PM
Another reporter lokking for the Great White Hope



I think you are right. Good post!

Inktrailer
Jul 3rd, 2009, 07:10 PM
Okay I read a little more; he says V and S are dominant, then says "Safina has clearly had better results than everyone else this year to achieve that ranking."

What a knob.

tennisbum79
Jul 3rd, 2009, 07:13 PM
Venus said this once: "We get blamed if we win, we get blamed if we don't win. We van't win either way"
It may not be a direct quote, but I captured the essence of it.

This is just another guy looking for the next Great White Hope.

This has happened over and over again in American sport history.

Inktrailer
Jul 3rd, 2009, 07:17 PM
Give over with the Great White Hope crapola. He's trying to make a point about two players 'dominating', it's nothing to do with race. You think he'd care if any serious 'challengers' to the sisters were white, black or anything else?

cn ireland
Jul 3rd, 2009, 07:18 PM
The blog seems to contradict the title so...whatever!!!

Calypso
Jul 3rd, 2009, 07:20 PM
What...it takes the WS presence to give a tournament prestige and yet its their fault the WTA sucks. Nice logic :unsure:

Agreed.

T-rex
Jul 3rd, 2009, 07:22 PM
Give over with the Great White Hope crapola. He's trying to make a point about two players 'dominating', it's nothing to do with race. You think he'd care if any serious 'challengers' to the sisters were white, black or anything else?




Yes! I think a lot of WTA fans care and would prefer that a serious challenger to the "Sisters" be white.

Inktrailer
Jul 3rd, 2009, 07:24 PM
Give over with the Great White Hope crapola. He's trying to make a point about two players 'dominating', it's nothing to do with race. You think he'd care if any serious 'challengers' to the sisters were white, black or anything else?




Yes! I think a lot of WTA fans care and would prefer that a serious challenger to the "Sisters" be white.

Maybe some people do; that doesn't make it correct or necessary to assume that everyone who says they want someone to be as successful as the Williams' is desperately searching for some white person to come along and take over. If there are people atupid enough to want that then okay, but words shouldn't be put into everyone's mouth.

mboyle
Jul 3rd, 2009, 07:26 PM
Hmm...this is not even journalism. It's so badly written that I cannot even understand his point, but I don't think his point is that tennis is boring because of the sisters. I think his point is that tennis is in bad shape because the sisters are the only decent players on tour, but they only play the grand slams to the best of their ability, meaning all other tournaments are boring. I think this is a fair point, and something that, as he says, Sharapova, Clijsters and hopefully Ivanovic will soon fix.

Ferg
Jul 3rd, 2009, 07:29 PM
Usual pile of crap from Reed. Next he'll be saying Sam Stosur is the future of tennis or something. The Williams' are the only thing really holding it together at the moment.

T-rex
Jul 3rd, 2009, 07:31 PM
[QUOTE=T-rex;16010182]

Maybe some people do; that doesn't make it correct or necessary to assume that everyone who says they want someone to be as successful as the Williams' is desperately searching for some white person to come along and take over. If there are people atupid enough to want that then okay, but words shouldn't be put into everyone's mouth.


Good call!

I agree with the premise of your post. It certainly is not everybody. And I for one, would love to see more and better talent on tour. Especially from the United States.

However, while it's not everybody, to deny that racism is not the cause of a lot of the criticism, dislike and hatred of the William sisters is equally wrong.

serenus_2k8
Jul 3rd, 2009, 07:31 PM
He's just an idiot who knows nothing about tennis. He's beeen hyping Murray so much in the last fortnight and guess what? Murray just lost to Roddick!!! Eggs on his fugly face!!!:haha: :haha: :haha:

Did you see the match? Roddick was awesome, far better than he has been for ages and deserved to win.

tennisbum79
Jul 3rd, 2009, 07:32 PM
Give over with the Great White Hope crapola. He's trying to make a point about two players 'dominating', it's nothing to do with race. You think he'd care if any serious 'challengers' to the sisters were white, black or anything else?
Unfortunateky, you are wrong.
Calling crapolawon;t change a thing.

Various women have dominated at different times, there was no outcry that their dominace was bad for the sport.

Saddly you are not alone in believing in this nonsense,
Even Mauresmo and Henin, before each emerges as WS winner, were lamenting that it was not good for tennis that the WS "win everything"
Lost on them was the fact that both were in a position to do something about it. But they failed to see the irony

Inktrailer
Jul 3rd, 2009, 07:40 PM
Unfortunateky, you are wrong.
Calling crapolawon;t change a thing.

Various women have dominated at different times, there was no outcry that their dominace was bad for the sport.

Saddly you are alone in believing in this nonsense,
Even Mauresmo and Henin, before each emerges as WS winner, were lamenting that it was not good for tennis that the WS "win everything"
Lost on them was the fact that both were in a position to do something about it. But they failed to see the irony

No I'm not wrong, we're both saying something true to an extent.

I hate dominance in sport, it's one of my pet peeves. I don't care who's dominating or where they come from, it's unhealthy in any sport. I'm glad to see players challenging Federer in the ATP and I don't care if it's Nadal, Murray or Monfils doing it, it's irrelevant.

So you're right, there ARE people, stupid people, who want to see someone 'white' take over, but you're blinkered if you think that everyone who expresses that desire says so because the sisters are black. It's offensive to a great many people.

Inktrailer
Jul 3rd, 2009, 07:42 PM
[QUOTE=Inktrailer;16010194]


Good call!

I agree with the premise of your post. It certainly is not everybody. And I for one, would love to see more and better talent on tour. Especially from the United States.

However, while it's not everybody, to deny that racism is not the cause of a lot of the criticism, dislike and hatred of the William sisters is equally wrong.

All fair enough, spot on; well said.

Volcana
Jul 3rd, 2009, 07:54 PM
What...it takes the WS presence to give a tournament prestige and yet its their fault the WTA sucks. Nice logic :unsure:He didn't say it was theit fault. Rather, they are just so apparently better than everybody else. Although, Elena Dementieva, if she continues to serve like that, is going to be in a lot of GS semis for the next two years.

But that just makes it worse. The three best female players in this tournament are all closer to 30 than 25.

I didn't care a year ago, but right now, I really hope Maria Sharapova returns to form. Somebody closer to 20 than 25 needs to be showing the ability to WIN the big tournaments. And not just one. We're seeing glimpses and indications, but only Sharapova showed up, moved her stuff in and set down roots among the best players on the tour

tennisbum79
Jul 3rd, 2009, 08:01 PM
No I'm not wrong, we're both saying something true to an extent.

I hate dominance in sport, it's one of my pet peeves. I don't care who's dominating or where they come from, it's unhealthy in any sport. I'm glad to see players challenging Federer in the ATP and I don't care if it's Nadal, Murray or Monfils doing it, it's irrelevant.

So you're right, there ARE people, stupid people, who want to see someone 'white' take over, but you're blinkered if you think that everyone who expresses that desire says so because the sisters are black. It's offensive to a great many people.
With all due respect, I have not read your opinion in any paper/maganies or other media outlet.
For those who are in position to write these opinion, I have not heard or read anybody express objection on Federer domiance.
Nor did I hear the same outcry when Henin dominated , albeit be briefly.

The only stustained objection against dominance is always when the WS dominate.

Mrs. Peel
Jul 3rd, 2009, 08:07 PM
He's an ass. He just wants to wank on crappypova, which makes his taste suspect anyways. With her current state we don't know what she is going to be, except still a screaming harpy on the court.

Inktrailer
Jul 3rd, 2009, 08:17 PM
With all due respect, I have not read your opinion in any paper/maganies or other media outlet.
For those who are in position to write these opinion, I have not heard or read anybody express objection on Federer domiance.
Nor did I hear the same outcry when Henin dominated , albeit be briefly.

The only stustained object is always against the WS.

YOu haven't read my many national newspaper columns? Shame on you;)

But criticism of Federer has been vented in the past, although maybe as a Williams fan you notice that more and I see your point; my only issue is with the assumption that it's a race thing from everyone.

Anyway, some links:

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/63555-federer-killing-tennis-softly

http://tennisfreaks.wordpress.com/2006/11/22/federers-dominance-hurting-interest-in-tour/

http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1G1-168048201.html

http://www.orble.com/anyone-for-no-1-anybody/
(read the last passage on this)

Diesel
Jul 3rd, 2009, 08:47 PM
The lack of success of other players cannot and should not be blamed on Serena and her sister. Just like the rankings issue shouldn't be blamed on those who ascend to the top. The other ladies will have to do better simple as that or not quit as some have done. Taking misguided animosity, disbelief out on Serena and Co won't change things.

HippityHop
Jul 3rd, 2009, 08:51 PM
Well in five or six years when Venus and Serena are no longer around, maybe everybody will be happy.

Sir Stefwhit
Jul 3rd, 2009, 08:51 PM
To be fair the article doesn't read nearly as harsh as the title of this thread suggest. If anything he's blaming the rest of the field for not being up to par- and with regards to Serena he's rather complimentary.

Still when decides to cut down the womens' tour because of the dominance of the WS he's got no basis especially when you compare that to the dominance of Nadal and Federer. Their dominance as of late is at another level- it's complete and utter dominance.

Libertango
Jul 3rd, 2009, 08:56 PM
Simon Reed is a twatface. Ignore him.

tterb
Jul 3rd, 2009, 09:11 PM
I don't know anything about this guy, but how many of you actually read the article? :confused:

The thread title quotes the article's subtitle (which is generally written by the editor), but nowhere in the article does he come across as blaming the Williams sisters for what he perceives as a low point in women's tennis. On the contrary, he's pretty much saying they're the only two worth watching at this point since everyone else is so far behind.

Diesel
Jul 3rd, 2009, 09:18 PM
To be fair the article doesn't read nearly as harsh as the title of this thread suggest. If anything he's blaming the rest of the field for not being up to par- and with regards to Serena he's rather complimentary.

Still when decides to cut down the womens' tour because of the dominance of the WS he's got no basis especially when you compare that to the dominance of Nadal and Federer. Their dominance as of late is at another level- it's complete and utter dominance.

It's old and tired. The men's tour wasn't at a low point with just two men going at it really for everything. It's a double standard.

Inktrailer
Jul 3rd, 2009, 09:26 PM
I don't know anything about this guy, but how many of you actually read the article? :confused:

The thread title quotes the article's subtitle (which is generally written by the editor), but nowhere in the article does he come across as blaming the Williams sisters for what he perceives as a low point in women's tennis. On the contrary, he's pretty much saying they're the only two worth watching at this point since everyone else is so far behind.

The addition of "thanks to the Williams" was quite a bizarre addition by the OP. I don't read this guy's stuff but he's been involved in tennis punditry of one kind or another for about 40 years.

HRHoliviasmith
Jul 3rd, 2009, 09:26 PM
okay maybe i'm missing something(what else is new?) but I don't see where he's being derogatory of serena and venus. the thread title is misleading. and most likely pruposefully so.

allrounder
Jul 3rd, 2009, 09:33 PM
Don't worry, Clijsters is coming back soon to dominate the tour remember as the media would have us believe when it was announced :lol:

HRHoliviasmith
Jul 3rd, 2009, 10:16 PM
I don't know anything about this guy, but how many of you actually read the article? :confused:

The thread title quotes the article's subtitle (which is generally written by the editor), but nowhere in the article does he come across as blaming the Williams sisters for what he perceives as a low point in women's tennis. On the contrary, he's pretty much saying they're the only two worth watching at this point since everyone else is so far behind.

that's what i got out of it too. thread title is throwing people off i think.

Melly Flew Us
Jul 3rd, 2009, 10:45 PM
not eing funny but i wonder if simon reed actually devised the title?

that being said, even if he didn't the editor had every right to summarise in that manner as, like many people reticent to give their real opinion in a direct manner, he more or less implied that very sentiment.

Sir Stefwhit
Jul 4th, 2009, 01:59 AM
okay maybe i'm missing something(what else is new?) but I don't see where he's being derogatory of serena and venus. the thread title is misleading. and most likely pruposefully so.That's actually what I was saying in my post. In fact, the writer is rather complimentary of Serena. Although a double standard is still being laid down by him with regards to the men's game and Serena and Vee's dominance. People aren't actually reading the article, just the title of the thread and responding...lol

pretty women
Jul 23rd, 2009, 01:01 AM
Women's tennis has been in the doldrums recently, with the presence of the Williams sisters required to give tournaments any prestige.

I am optimistic that at the end of the year things could improve and return to a competitive environment, but at the moment the American duo are dominant.

Women's tennis is riding a bad wave at the moment. By next year, however, that wave will be on the rise again: it tends to be a cyclical process.

What has happened to the women's game since Justine Henin retired is the Williams sisters have been left to control proceedings.

Maria Sharapova will be a threat when she recovers fully from injury and Kim Clijsters will return to provide a test, but I am not sure about Jelena Jankovic or Ana Ivanovic.

There is still no doubt in my mind that Serena Williams is the number one player in the world, except possibly on grass where her sister Venus is slightly better.

The rest of the women are, I am afraid, quite a long way behind the pair.

I have always thought that when the Williams sisters are fit, they are easily the best players in the women's game, and today proved that.

The two semi-finals were not a surprise at all, with only the superb performance of Elena Dementieva giving us an exciting match.

I expected the Russian to succumb to nerves once more, but to her credit she did not - and it was a fantastic encounter.

Dinara Safina's world number one ranking is a bit deceptive, given that she has never won a Grand Slam, but it is certainly not her fault that the system is like that.

Some people are criticising her for the fact that she should not be there, but she is consistent on the Tour; to blame her is ridiculous.

Safina has clearly had better results than everyone else this year to achieve that ranking, but I think the system should be changed to reward Grand Slams more.

The weighting of the points system must be more heavily in favour of those players, like the Williams sisters, who perform on the biggest stage.

It is weird that Serena could potentially win the Australian Open and Wimbledon, yet still remain in second spot: that cannot be right.

Safina has never been any good when playing on grass courts, and it was frankly surprising that she even made it this far in the tournament.
I could see her drubbing today coming from a mile off, and it would have been the same if she had been playing Serena instead of Venus.

Safina is simply not a good mover on grass courts, but I would not be surprised if she came back at the US Open and proved a major threat.
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WowWow
Jul 23rd, 2009, 02:57 AM
Another reporter lokking for the Great White Hope

So true in this case.

Golovinjured.
Jul 23rd, 2009, 03:18 AM
How could anybody publish something so biased. :rolls:

ivanban
Jul 23rd, 2009, 07:36 AM
What...it takes the WS presence to give a tournament prestige and yet its their fault the WTA sucks. Nice logic :unsure:

Yeah, exactly my thoughts :cuckoo:

bandabou
Jul 23rd, 2009, 08:19 AM
misleading title..shame on the thread starter.

StephenUK
Jul 23rd, 2009, 10:12 AM
Why can't people just read the article? I think it just exposes the knee jerk paranoia of so many Williams fans because it doesn't criticise them at all, it criticises everyone BUT the Williams. In fact he is TOO complimentary about the sisters:

1. He says Serena is the best on all surfaces besides grass. WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAT! Her clay record this year was dismal - Safina and Kuznetsova are definitely better than her on the red dirt.

2. He says that Serena should be no 1 because she has won 2 slams and Safina none. He failed to mention that she had not won any other WTA events, which is the reason she is not no 1. No player has ever won 3 grand slams without holding another title, which means that it is an anomalous ranking situation.

All this stuff about the Great White Hope is just beside the point. The sisters are pushing 30 and there are no star quality names coming up in the game of whatever ethnic origin or nationality. That is the worry for the game. I would love a new black player to come up..if she was British of course!!!

BlameSerena
Jul 23rd, 2009, 01:21 PM
I'm really confused. :confused:

Did it make sense to anyone else?

StephenUK
Jul 23rd, 2009, 02:11 PM
I'm really confused. :confused:

Did it make sense to anyone else?

You are right, BlameSerena. It was a badly written, rushed article that definitely needed fine tuning. He does seem to contradict himself in parts and the heading didn't match the content either.

HRHoliviasmith
Jul 23rd, 2009, 02:24 PM
Why can't people just read the article? I think it just exposes the knee jerk paranoia of so many Williams fans because it doesn't criticise them at all, it criticises everyone BUT the Williams. In fact he is TOO complimentary about the sisters:

1. He says Serena is the best on all surfaces besides grass. WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAT! Her clay record this year was dismal - Safina and Kuznetsova are definitely better than her on the red dirt.

2. He says that Serena should be no 1 because she has won 2 slams and Safina none. He failed to mention that she had not won any other WTA events, which is the reason she is not no 1. No player has ever won 3 grand slams without holding another title, which means that it is an anomalous ranking situation.

All this stuff about the Great White Hope is just beside the point. The sisters are pushing 30 and there are no star quality names coming up in the game of whatever ethnic origin or nationality. That is the worry for the game. I would love a new black player to come up..if she was British of course!!!

:yeah:

ZODIAC
Jul 23rd, 2009, 02:34 PM
its a lot of hogwash

Vlover
Jul 23rd, 2009, 04:20 PM
[B]Maria Sharapova will be a threat when she recovers fully from injury and Kim Clijsters will return to provide a test,...

Since Pova's return, she has stated on numerous occasions that she has fully recovered from her injury therefore I don't know how much more recovery he is expecting. He could argue she needs more match play but that is different. Anyway, I think Justine was more of a threat than Pova in the last couple years so I doubt she will make much of a difference as well as Kim. Go Venus! Go Serena!

BlameSerena
Jul 23rd, 2009, 04:45 PM
You are right, BlameSerena. It was a badly written, rushed article that definitely needed fine tuning. He does seem to contradict himself in parts and the heading didn't match the content either.

That's the problem for me. I think I get what he was trying to say, but poorly written so it left me a little confused.

VishaalMaria
Jul 23rd, 2009, 05:07 PM
It maybe "Williams" thats controlling all the proceedings but that's only "Williams, Serena". With her slam record being W W QF W, she's the only one that can be considered to be dominating. And we all know she was in a very good position to win RG, up 3-1 in the final set of her QF despite having a horrible clay court preparation.

As for Venus, meh.

SIN DIOS NI LEY
Jul 24th, 2009, 01:20 AM
This clown wrote after the Australian Open that Verdasco is the future of tennis :haha: :haha:

friendsita
Jul 24th, 2009, 05:20 AM
plop