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chuvack
Jul 3rd, 2009, 01:23 PM
As great a match as that was yesterday, if Serena has those same lapses tomorrow, the final will be over in an hour and five minutes, like 6-3, 6-4. Serena had better come out guns blazing, take no prisoners from the 1st game, or she is toast.

Miss Amor
Jul 3rd, 2009, 01:25 PM
Serena's level can change drastically, she played a brilliant match against Azarenka, who is to say that she wont play at the same level tomorrow?

Serena is very unpredicatble.

frenchie
Jul 3rd, 2009, 01:27 PM
yeah definitely

HippityHop
Jul 3rd, 2009, 01:28 PM
As great a match as that was yesterday, if Serena has those same lapses tomorrow, the final will be over in an hour and five minutes, like 6-3, 6-4. Serena had better come out guns blazing, take no prisoners from the 1st game, or she is toast.

You act as if Elena had nothing to do with Serena's level. :confused:

chuvack
Jul 3rd, 2009, 01:31 PM
You act as if Elena had nothing to do with Serena's level. :confused:



Certainly didnt say that, but there was a period in the middle of the second set when Serena was really playing crap. She got away with it because Lena failed to take advantage, but Venus won't make that same mistake...

Markus
Jul 3rd, 2009, 02:15 PM
Certainly, based on the level of play in the semis Venus is clear favorite for this match but every day is a new day. Who would have thought that Justine will prevail against Kim US Open 2003 after that fight against Capriati? Who would have thought that Capriati will win against Hingis AO 2001? Same goes for Serena at FO 2003 where she "killed" Amelie and lost against Justine after that. Brilliance or a crap performance can not be repeated every day.

vwfan
Jul 3rd, 2009, 02:51 PM
she won't bring that level.

she will come ready to play for sure.:mad:

ElusiveChanteuse
Jul 3rd, 2009, 02:53 PM
Vee won't have bad time?:shrug: You'll never know.:shrug:
Unless she's destined to be the Queen of Wimbledon.;)

Marty-Dom
Jul 3rd, 2009, 03:06 PM
Serena has a few gears in the mental game department. She has shown it many times that after a weak performance in one match she can deliver an extremely focused and crushing performance. She had some of those in AO finals, big matches against Mauresmo and Henin and most recently in the quarters against Azarenka. She gets mentally drained and can not keep it for long, multi match stretches. She definitely didn't have it against Dementieva. She didn't see the ball as sharp, didn't adjust her steps, mistimed the hits and had to rely on guts and power to get her through.
But, with the big occasion she might just step up and start "treeing" for a whole match. If that happens she will break Venus spirit within a set and put too much pressure for Venus to handle later in the match.
My money (if I were a betting man) would be on Serena in 3, after a close first set, cruising in last two.

miffedmax
Jul 3rd, 2009, 03:07 PM
You would have to assume any other player would be both physically and emotionally drained after that knife fight on Centre Court yesterday. But Serena is probably the one WTA player right now who has a chance at coming back and actually elevating her game. (Although, again, I thought she played pretty amazingly overall--some rough patches, but I've seen Lena D. play a lot worse than that and win--including against SW).

Miss Amor
Jul 3rd, 2009, 03:10 PM
You would have to assume any other player would be both physically and emotionally drained after that knife fight on Centre Court yesterday. .

No one who saw their doubles match today would assume that, Serena was extremely fresh and was running after every ball :lol:.

miffedmax
Jul 3rd, 2009, 03:12 PM
Doubles is a different game. And I did say Ree is the exception.

bandabou
Jul 3rd, 2009, 03:24 PM
I'm sure she knows that..but Vee shouldn't come out and expect to win 1 and 0 either.

vwfan
Jul 3rd, 2009, 03:29 PM
I'm sure she knows that..but Vee shouldn't come out and expect to win 1 and 0 either.she surely won't expect that nor is she going to get that against Serena.

but she doesn't need to win 0 and 1 to win the title anyway. just straight sets, I hope. ;)

miffedmax
Jul 3rd, 2009, 04:27 PM
Me, too.

:inlove:
Jul 3rd, 2009, 04:31 PM
Oh it won´t? Thx for enlightening us.

Julian
Jul 3rd, 2009, 05:55 PM
Even if Serena's ground game isn't on like she played against Elena, if she brings that serve with her she can most certainly win all of the games on her serve and then hopefully find a way to break Venus. Because I certainly don't see Serena being broken if she served like she did the end of the 2nd and 3rd against Elena.

IMO Serena has the better serve and that might be the factor..AGAIN in a match.

RenaSlam.
Jul 3rd, 2009, 05:56 PM
No shit.

Knizzle
Jul 3rd, 2009, 05:59 PM
The thing is, I'm SURE she will play better.

Steffica Greles
Jul 3rd, 2009, 06:01 PM
Elena really demonstrated Serena's decline.

The Russian was winning most of the baseline rallies from what I could see, and was quicker around the court. Had it not been for Serena's thunderous serve, she would have lost in straights. Honestly, she looked like an elephant at times against the feathery Russian.

Barring injuries, or a merciful Venus who's lost her killer instinct and plays terribly, Serena is toast. From being the marginally superior athlete at one time, she is now markedly inferior.

Knizzle
Jul 3rd, 2009, 06:02 PM
^^U can't be serious

starin
Jul 3rd, 2009, 06:05 PM
I agree.
If Serena plays like she did against Dementieva against Venus, Venus will super smash her in 2 straight easy sets.

Serena was a mess off the ground and the return at times.

But I think and hope Serena will play much better in the final.

BuTtErFrEnA
Jul 3rd, 2009, 06:08 PM
any other brilliant thread ideas from you today??

Bijoux0021
Jul 3rd, 2009, 06:09 PM
Elena really demonstrated Serena's decline.

The Russian was winning most of the baseline rallies from what I could see, and was quicker around the court. Had it not been for Serena's thunderous serve, she would have lost in straights. Honestly, she looked like an elephant at times against the feathery Russian.

Barring injuries, or a merciful Venus who's lost her killer instinct and plays terribly, Serena is toast. From being the marginally superior athlete at one time, she is now markedly inferior.
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miffedmax
Jul 3rd, 2009, 06:22 PM
I don't think Serena likes long rallies. I don't think she's ever liked long rallies. I think that's what gets her into trouble against players like Vee, Lena and even TOB.

But in shorter rallies she's still very quick to the ball. She's not in decline.

I mean c'mon folks. Yesterday she beat the #4 player in the world--WHEN THE #4 PLAYER PLAYED BETTER THAN SHE DID WHEN SHE'S BEATEN SERENA. She has two of the last four slams. She was No. 1 in the world a few short months ago.

Maybe it wasn't flawless. But it was pretty freakin' good.

You piss, moan, analyze, reanalyze, rant, rave, whatever, all you want, but the bottom line is my girl is still a gold medal winner, has made 4 of the last 5 slam semis, is #4 in the world, has been in the Top 10 for the last 10 years, has made the YEC (once as an alt.) the last 9 years AND SHE ISN'T PLAYING TOMORROW.

Somebody has to be pretty good and play pretty well to send her home. Somebody did.

Please, God, let my fave--and me--decline like Serena Williams.

VS Fan
Jul 3rd, 2009, 06:59 PM
I don't think Serena likes long rallies. I don't think she's ever liked long rallies. I think that's what gets her into trouble against players like Vee, Lena and even TOB.

But in shorter rallies she's still very quick to the ball. She's not in decline.

I mean c'mon folks. Yesterday she beat the #4 player in the world--WHEN THE #4 PLAYER PLAYED BETTER THAN SHE DID WHEN SHE'S BEATEN SERENA. She has two of the last four slams. She was No. 1 in the world a few short months ago.

Maybe it wasn't flawless. But it was pretty freakin' good.

You piss, moan, analyze, reanalyze, rant, rave, whatever, all you want, but the bottom line is my girl is still a gold medal winner, has made 4 of the last 5 slam semis, is #4 in the world, has been in the Top 10 for the last 10 years, has made the YEC (once as an alt.) the last 9 years AND SHE ISN'T PLAYING TOMORROW.

Somebody has to be pretty good and play pretty well to send her home. Somebody did.

Please, God, let my fave--and me--decline like Serena Williams.

Wow! Nuff Said! Thank you! :bounce:

new-york
Jul 3rd, 2009, 07:16 PM
she'll be ready, i'm sure.

Calypso
Jul 3rd, 2009, 07:40 PM
If Serena's not playing great from the start, she'll be off the court very quick, coz I don't expect Venus to drop her level of play after 6 great matches enroute to the final, and her form has been scary!

But Rena will surely raise her level, she's done it so many times before after failing to impress before the finals. Dementieva had so many chances to put her away, either in 2 sets, or more realistically in 3 sets when she led *3-1, playing great, and then played a terrible game to meekly hand the break back to Serena.

Do you think Venus, in the form that she's in, or another big-hitting, big-serving player would let go such a chance? I don't think so.

However, don't be surprised to see a totally different Rena (with her forehand back from Hawaai lol)out there tomorrow. She's done it before- not entirely convincing before the final, then playing fantastic in the final, e.g the A.O thrashing of Maria in '07.

Whether it will be enough to win, your guess is as good as mine.

Calypso
Jul 3rd, 2009, 07:54 PM
Even if Serena's ground game isn't on like she played against Elena, if she brings that serve with her she can most certainly win all of the games on her serve and then hopefully find a way to break Venus. Because I certainly don't see Serena being broken if she served like she did the end of the 2nd and 3rd against Elena.

IMO Serena has the better serve and that might be the factor..AGAIN in a match.

As great as her serve is, it won't be enough on its own to beat Venus. Other parts of her game must be working well, too.

And Venus is one of the players that returns Serena's bombs better than most, having played, and practiced, against her so many times.

manu32
Jul 3rd, 2009, 07:58 PM
serena got azarenka and dementieva .....

cn ireland
Jul 3rd, 2009, 08:15 PM
The thread title is right but you just know Serena will up her game enormously for the final!

Melly Flew Us
Jul 4th, 2009, 12:59 AM
Elena really demonstrated Serena's decline.

The Russian was winning most of the baseline rallies from what I could see, and was quicker around the court. Had it not been for Serena's thunderous serve, she would have lost in straights. Honestly, she looked like an elephant at times against the feathery Russian.

Barring injuries, or a merciful Venus who's lost her killer instinct and plays terribly, Serena is toast. From being the marginally superior athlete at one time, she is now markedly inferior.

oh my god - classic. i'm guessing by the periodicity of your posts that you only get special privileges when you've taken all your meds and haven't tried to escape.

Tennisstar86
Jul 4th, 2009, 02:27 AM
Even if Serena's ground game isn't on like she played against Elena, if she brings that serve with her she can most certainly win all of the games on her serve and then hopefully find a way to break Venus. Because I certainly don't see Serena being broken if she served like she did the end of the 2nd and 3rd against Elena.

IMO Serena has the better serve and that might be the factor..AGAIN in a match.

I disagree here... Serve is neutral ground when they play... cause they practice against each other ALL the time.... The player on tour who can read Serena's serve best is Venus....And on grass if anything Venus' serve is better because she can slide it out wide and jams players...not to mention Serena's kick serve wont bounce like she wants it to on the grass infact it'll hit right into Venus' strike zone... so, no i dont think Serve will be what wins it for Serena or Venus...

Chance
Jul 4th, 2009, 08:19 AM
Serena raises her game when she faces Venus... Remember AO 2003?? I doubt she will as sloppy as she was in the semi...

VishaalMaria
Jul 4th, 2009, 09:19 AM
Come on Venus.

homogenius
Jul 4th, 2009, 09:23 AM
Serena was outplayed in the rallies for most of the match but she'll probably bring something else today and she has always her serve to help her to stay in the match when everything else is subpar.

Sharapower
Jul 4th, 2009, 10:57 AM
different day, different match. Typically, with Serena, you can often say that at each round of a tournament vs. next round, yet she ends up winning the titles.
I remember in the AO 2007 that her earlier rounds would not make you think at all that she would slaughter Masha in the final. That shock kinda hurt.

Human Nature
Jul 4th, 2009, 12:21 PM
I dont know why people here believe that the match against Dementieva is a reference to say if yes or no serena will win the final...

frenchie
Jul 4th, 2009, 03:15 PM
as expected Serena is playing a lot better

Knizzle
Jul 4th, 2009, 03:17 PM
as expected Serena is playing a lot betterWhich is what I've been screaming all this time, but these people seem to be very dense when it comes to tennis. :o

DemWilliamsGulls
Jul 4th, 2009, 03:20 PM
Venus better block out who's across the net and fight...Serena will win with greed and wont care about her sisters legacy! LOL (i still love both of em equally but i'm pulling for Venus)