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V's a star
Jun 22nd, 2009, 06:03 PM
lol thats funny

Dodoboy.
Jun 22nd, 2009, 06:03 PM
:inlove:

Serena Williams is suffering from an identity crisis: "Everyone is from Russia. Sometimes I think I'm from Russia, too. I feel like, you know, okay, all these new ‑ovas. I don't know anyone. I don't really recognize anyone. You know, that's just how it is. I think I am (Russian), and I think my name must Williamsova."

:haha:

John.
Jun 22nd, 2009, 06:04 PM
:spit:

Miss Atomic Bomb
Jun 22nd, 2009, 06:04 PM
:spit:

tennisIlove09
Jun 22nd, 2009, 06:06 PM
you know, it's kind of frustrating. I *loved* Serena in this interview. Funny, calm, composed ... she is showing that she IS a great champion. She even gave Svetlana credit for Paris. Now, if only she can be this way right after a loss, she would show so much maturity and I could start respecting her again. This makes me want to root for her ...

Adal
Jun 22nd, 2009, 06:07 PM
http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d5/digital_talent/ms.gif

RenaSlam.
Jun 22nd, 2009, 06:08 PM
Best personality on tour. :worship:

Bijoux0021
Jun 22nd, 2009, 06:11 PM
you know, it's kind of frustrating. I *loved* Serena in this interview. Funny, calm, composed ... she is showing that she IS a great champion. She even gave Svetlana credit for Paris. Now, if only she can be this way right after a loss, she would show so much maturity and I could start respecting her again. This makes me want to root for her ...
Uh, puhleeeeze! She can't please everyone. She has plenty of fans rooting for her.

HRHoliviasmith
Jun 22nd, 2009, 06:13 PM
http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d5/digital_talent/ms.gif

she's so fake :o

Ciarán
Jun 22nd, 2009, 06:15 PM
:rolls:

StarDuvallGrant
Jun 22nd, 2009, 06:15 PM
you know, it's kind of frustrating. I *loved* Serena in this interview. Funny, calm, composed ... she is showing that she IS a great champion. She even gave Svetlana credit for Paris. Now, if only she can be this way right after a loss, she would show so much maturity and I could start respecting her again. This makes me want to root for her ...

You're interested in her regardless so does it matter? You claim to hate her and want her to lose for your own reasons but you are all up into what she wears and what she says. The battle is internal for you so stop making up reasons just so you can talk shit out of both sides of your mouth when it suits you. Serena hasn't changed...

ElusiveChanteuse
Jun 22nd, 2009, 06:18 PM
:spit:

LCS
Jun 22nd, 2009, 06:24 PM
:spit:

Serenova? :confused:

:inlove:
Jun 22nd, 2009, 06:26 PM
How hilare.

NewShoulderPlz.
Jun 22nd, 2009, 06:30 PM
:lol:

Slammer7
Jun 22nd, 2009, 06:31 PM
Svetrena Williamsova. :lol: Taking the world by storm. :hearts: :haha:

Volcana
Jun 22nd, 2009, 06:31 PM
If you think about it, Serena has lived througha transition that must be a little wierd. She gew up on a tour dominated by Americans; Capriati, Davenport, Evert, Seles, Rubin, Fernandez, Navratilova, plus a couple VERY familiar names ;Sanchez-Vicario, Graf, Sabatini.

Now she looks up, and the best players are so close to her that they damn near are her or they're literally foreign. Svetlana Kuznetsova and Serena are firends. Have been for years. No surprise. Serena has more in common with Svetlana Kuznetsova than any American player who isn't in her immediate family. Given how the world is changing, Serena has more in common with Svetlana Kuznetsova than any American who isn't in her immediate family.

I can hear the theme from 'The Twilight Zone' playing in the background.

moby
Jun 22nd, 2009, 06:43 PM
If you think about it, Serena has lived througha transition that must be a little wierd. She gew up on a tour dominated by Americans; Capriati, Davenport, Evert, Seles, Rubin, Fernandez, Navratilova, plus a couple VERY familiar names ;Sanchez-Vicaio, Graf, Sabatini.

Now she looks up, and the best players are so close to her that they damn near are her or they're literally foreign. Svetlana Kuznetsova and Serena are firends. Have been for years. No surprise. Serena has more in common with Svetlana Kuznetsova than any American player who isn't in her immediate family. Given how the wirld is changing, Serena has more in common with Svetlana Kuznetsova than any American who isn't in her immediate family.

I can hear the theme from 'The Twilight Zone' playing in the background.Overly melodramatic? :lol: Serena is a professional tennis player. She travels the world. It's a unique lifestyle and career that transcends nationality. Obviously she's likely to have a lot in common with another professional tennis player who travels the world and understands the competition on the tour, especially one who shares similar interests.

Ellery
Jun 22nd, 2009, 06:44 PM
:lol:

Very nice.

Denise4925
Jun 22nd, 2009, 06:48 PM
:lol: Serena is so silly.

tennisIlove09
Jun 22nd, 2009, 07:00 PM
You're interested in her regardless so does it matter? You claim to hate her and want her to lose for your own reasons but you are all up into what she wears and what she says. The battle is internal for you so stop making up reasons just so you can talk shit out of both sides of your mouth when it suits you. Serena hasn't changed...
I do not hate Serena. I don't have anyone or anything. I do not have that kind of negative force around me. I am a person, so of course I dislike things ... but I do not hate. For the longest time I was a Venus and Serena fan. TIme and time again Serena's negative attitude (always when she loses) has made me lose all respect for her. However, as I was saying ... these kind of interviews make me wish she could be like this win or lose. I would then respect her and root for her again (that being said, I am never upset when she wins). Serena hasn't changed, you're right ... and that's why I still will not respect her. Do I talk both sides? Perhaps. I just call it as I see it. :shrug: If being honest about how I feel is talking from both sides, so be it. I am who I am and won't change for a silly tennis message board.

And let me also just say that as a tennis player I have amazing respect for her. The kind of tennis she can produce is unbelievable (think AO 07 Final: 09 AO Final; 02 Wimbledon Final). The lack of respect I have for her comes from her attitude with winning and losing. IMHO, great champions can take winning and losing well. Serena has yet to prove that. Unlike other great champions before her.

Dodoboy.
Jun 22nd, 2009, 07:31 PM
She had the interviewers pissing themselves! She also said that she came from Russia to COmpton when she was 7! :sobbing:

Elwin.
Jun 22nd, 2009, 07:31 PM
:rolls:

KournikovaFan91
Jun 22nd, 2009, 07:37 PM
:lol: She is too funny.

Miss Atomic Bomb
Jun 22nd, 2009, 07:39 PM
She had the interviewers pissing themselves! She also said that she came from Russia to COmpton when she was 7! :sobbing:

:rolls: :haha:

KournikovaFan91
Jun 22nd, 2009, 07:41 PM
I think in 1997 there were only 4 Russians in the Main Draw Panova, Likhotseva, Kournikova and Makarova and a ton of Americans now only WS, Oudin, King and Craybas are in MD but tons of Russians.

:lol: How times change.

John.
Jun 22nd, 2009, 07:41 PM
She had the interviewers pissing themselves! She also said that she came from Russia to COmpton when she was 7! :sobbing:

:rolls:

Denise4925
Jun 22nd, 2009, 07:44 PM
I do not hate Serena. I don't have anyone or anything. I do not have that kind of negative force around me. I am a person, so of course I dislike things ... but I do not hate. For the longest time I was a Venus and Serena fan. TIme and time again Serena's negative attitude (always when she loses) has made me lose all respect for her. However, as I was saying ... these kind of interviews make me wish she could be like this win or lose. I would then respect her and root for her again (that being said, I am never upset when she wins). Serena hasn't changed, you're right ... and that's why I still will not respect her. Do I talk both sides? Perhaps. I just call it as I see it. :shrug: If being honest about how I feel is talking from both sides, so be it. I am who I am and won't change for a silly tennis message board.

And let me also just say that as a tennis player I have amazing respect for her. The kind of tennis she can produce is unbelievable (think AO 07 Final: 09 AO Final; 02 Wimbledon Final). The lack of respect I have for her comes from her attitude with winning and losing. IMHO, great champions can take winning and losing well. Serena has yet to prove that. Unlike other great champions before her.

You speak as if your opinion is fact and it's not. It's just a matter of your taste in what you like in a person and then again maybe you only see the negative. The only time I've seen Serena act like a sore loser was in last year's Wimbledon final against her sister. Otherwise, she's always a gracious loser on court, even when she has a reason not to be, such as RG '03 and Wimbledon '04, US Open '04 and YEC '04. You not having respect for Serena is how you feel and that's fine, but it seems everytime you talk about her you feel the need to express that sentiment and it's just negative. That's probably why her fans think you hate her. I personally don't think you hate her, but I don't think it's necessary to bring it up all of the time. All it does it flame the message board.

cellophane
Jun 22nd, 2009, 07:47 PM
Oh Serena... :lol:

Jose.
Jun 22nd, 2009, 07:50 PM
Serena, ...

http://i40.tinypic.com/vih6km.gif

tennisIlove09
Jun 22nd, 2009, 07:58 PM
You speak as if your opinion is fact and it's not. It's just a matter of your taste in what you like in a person and then again maybe you only see the negative. The only time I've seen Serena act like a sore loser was in last year's Wimbledon final against her sister. Otherwise, she's always a gracious loser on court, even when she has a reason not to be, such as RG '03 and Wimbledon '04, US Open '04 and YEC '04. You not having respect for Serena is how you feel and that's fine, but it seems everytime you talk about her you feel the need to express that sentiment and it's just negative. That's probably why her fans think you hate her. I personally don't think you hate her, but I don't think it's necessary to bring it up all of the time. All it does it flame the message board.

During the match, Serena shows how bad of a loser she can be. She usually looks like she is about to cry when she starts losing/playing poorly.

After the match at the hand shake, she is always extremely gracious. It's in the press that she becomes a sore loser. Everyone has matches where they lose the match, but every time she loses we hear the same excuses "I was at 10%" or "She did nothing special". It makes it extremely hard to have respect for her when she makes those claims after every loss. No one expects someone to win every match they play. It would be great if after a loss Serena could say "She played great. It wasn't my day and she came up with amazing shots". What I am saying is FACT ... this IS how Serena is. She IS a bad loser. I am not saying anything new.

Plus, I usually do not post anything about her. If you look back at her results threads, I do not post anything. I posted in this because if she could be this charming, even in defeat, she would really become a awesome champion in every aspect. I just posted because it made me think about it ... that's what these forums are for. When you feel like you have something to add to a thread, you do. I sometimes think people take other people's opinions are too seriously. Just my opinion though.

volta
Jun 22nd, 2009, 07:58 PM
oh Serena :haha: :hearts:

She had the interviewers pissing themselves! She also said that she came from Russia to COmpton when she was 7! :sobbing:

:spit: :haha: where can i read/see this? :lol:

Dodoboy.
Jun 22nd, 2009, 08:00 PM
It was on TV (BBC'S today at Wimbledon)

bandabou
Jun 22nd, 2009, 08:10 PM
I do not hate Serena. I don't have anyone or anything. I do not have that kind of negative force around me. I am a person, so of course I dislike things ... but I do not hate. For the longest time I was a Venus and Serena fan. TIme and time again Serena's negative attitude (always when she loses) has made me lose all respect for her. However, as I was saying ... these kind of interviews make me wish she could be like this win or lose. I would then respect her and root for her again (that being said, I am never upset when she wins). Serena hasn't changed, you're right ... and that's why I still will not respect her. Do I talk both sides? Perhaps. I just call it as I see it. :shrug: If being honest about how I feel is talking from both sides, so be it. I am who I am and won't change for a silly tennis message board.

And let me also just say that as a tennis player I have amazing respect for her. The kind of tennis she can produce is unbelievable (think AO 07 Final: 09 AO Final; 02 Wimbledon Final). The lack of respect I have for her comes from her attitude with winning and losing. IMHO, great champions can take winning and losing well. Serena has yet to prove that. Unlike other great champions before her.

:rolls: and let me guess..that other great champ would, of course, be Vee with her 3 less majors?!

Pleaasssee!

Marty-Dom
Jun 22nd, 2009, 08:14 PM
Serena Rishardovna Vasylieva.

http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/8525/williamsova.jpg

volta
Jun 22nd, 2009, 08:15 PM
It was on TV (BBC'S today at Wimbledon)

i wont be able to see it than :sobbing: :bigcry:

bandabou
Jun 22nd, 2009, 08:15 PM
I sometimes what's worse: Not shaking your opponents after a loss (Bartoli et al, Lebron James)...or just saying that you lost a match because of you, but at least you aknowledged your opponent at the net?

tennisIlove09
Jun 22nd, 2009, 08:16 PM
:rolls: and let me guess..that other great champ would, of course, be Vee with her 3 less majors?!

Pleaasssee!

Davenport, Graf, Seles, Navratilova are more.

But you seem to be missing the point.

tennisIlove09
Jun 22nd, 2009, 08:18 PM
I sometimes what's worse: Not shaking your opponents after a loss (Bartoli et al, Lebron James)...or just saying that you lost a match because of you, but at least you aknowledged your opponent at the net?
Valid point.

but with Serena it happens every single time she losses, which is what I find disrespectful. If it was a once in awhile thing, fine ... but it's not. :shrug:

Sharpie4me
Jun 22nd, 2009, 08:18 PM
She should trade last name with Sveta. Sveta once said she feels back :tape:
Serelana Williamsova
Svetrena Kuzziams

Noctis
Jun 22nd, 2009, 08:21 PM
:haha:

volta
Jun 22nd, 2009, 08:26 PM
Valid point.

but with Serena it happens every single time she losses, which is what I find disrespectful. If it was a once in awhile thing, fine ... but it's not. :shrug:

and we need to ALWAYS see this type of post again and again and again and...why? :o
we got it the first , second ... time, that wasn't relevant to the thread so why bring it up once again? and some ppl wonder why there is some animosity between the Williams fansbases :(

Galsen
Jun 22nd, 2009, 08:27 PM
During the match, Serena shows how bad of a loser she can be. She usually looks like she is about to cry when she starts losing/playing poorly.

After the match at the hand shake, she is always extremely gracious. It's in the press that she becomes a sore loser. Everyone has matches where they lose the match, but every time she loses we hear the same excuses "I was at 10%" or "She did nothing special". It makes it extremely hard to have respect for her when she makes those claims after every loss. No one expects someone to win every match they play. It would be great if after a loss Serena could say "She played great. It wasn't my day and she came up with amazing shots". What I am saying is FACT ... this IS how Serena is. She IS a bad loser. I am not saying anything new.

.
when she lost @ RG 08 she was great at the press conference I think ....

Vanity Bonfire
Jun 22nd, 2009, 08:28 PM
You gotta love her.

Noctis
Jun 22nd, 2009, 08:29 PM
Valid point.

but with Serena it happens every single time she losses, which is what I find disrespectful. If it was a once in awhile thing, fine ... but it's not. :shrug:

http://images-2.redbubble.net/img/clothing/bodycolor:white/cropped/size:small/style:mens/view:main/2887404-1-what-ever-major-loser.jpg

You must be talking about me.All this time :awww:
Stupid being jealous cause someone has a humour,and trying to ruin the thread :yawn:
And posts your Whatever posts in Serena haters trash talkers base.

jefrilibra
Jun 22nd, 2009, 08:30 PM
Serena Rishardovna Vasyliova.

http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/8525/williamsova.jpg

:haha:
:haha:
:haha:

John.
Jun 22nd, 2009, 08:35 PM
Serena Rishardovna Vasylieva.

http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/8525/williamsova.jpg

:rolls::spit:

StephenUK
Jun 22nd, 2009, 08:36 PM
She should trade last name with Sveta. Sveta once said she feels back :tape:
Serelana Williamsova
Svetrena Kuzziams

Maybe they should do a version of Wife Swap - Serena goes to live in Moscow for two weeks with the Kuzzy set up and Sveta goes to stay with Oracene!

Vanity Bonfire
Jun 22nd, 2009, 08:36 PM
Maybe they should do a version of Wife Swap - Serena goes to live in Moscow for two weeks with the Kuzzy set up and Sveta goes to stay with Oracene!

That would be fab!!! Or they could do a Come Dine With Me where they each sample the respective dishes of that nation.

Rumkin
Jun 22nd, 2009, 08:40 PM
Williamsova is not pleased with some new rule :( no more big macs in the dressing room I guess.

There is a NEW rule at the tournament that I disagree with so I want to hold an open conversation about "Rules that do NOT make sense."

So, I am not pleased with this NO EATING in the Locker Room Rule. I was informed before my match that I can NOT eat in the locker room, now!

Serena do make me laugh sometimes :)

bandabou
Jun 22nd, 2009, 08:40 PM
Davenport, Graf, Seles, Navratilova are more.

But you seem to be missing the point.

Look...at I kinda understand your point. Sometimes Serena shoots herself in the foot by talking too much...but most often than not: she talks the talk and walks the walk. Way back then in 2001 after she she reached her first final at a major and lost to Vee..this is what she said: "I got tired of seeing so many people ranked ahead of me when I know I'm better. And Vee, this your moment..enjoy it." The rest is history..

The way Serena reacted after two of the most controversial matches in recent memory: against Justine at the '03 RG SF and against Jen at the '04 u.s.open QF, says more to me than anything she happens to say in a pressroom.

ANY other player would've totally started dropping f-bombs, call for supervisors..but Serena took it to the chin and even shook the umpire's hand. Bottom line.

dreamgoddess099
Jun 22nd, 2009, 08:56 PM
During the match, Serena shows how bad of a loser she can be. She usually looks like she is about to cry when she starts losing/playing poorly.

After the match at the hand shake, she is always extremely gracious. It's in the press that she becomes a sore loser. Everyone has matches where they lose the match, but every time she loses we hear the same excuses "I was at 10%" or "She did nothing special". It makes it extremely hard to have respect for her when she makes those claims after every loss. No one expects someone to win every match they play. It would be great if after a loss Serena could say "She played great. It wasn't my day and she came up with amazing shots". What I am saying is FACT ... this IS how Serena is. She IS a bad loser. I am not saying anything new.



Who in there right mind would ever want to be a good loser? Losing is supposed to make you mad, it's supposed to make you think of what you did wrong and what you should have done better. losing is supposed to be agony so that you remember that agony the next time you're about to lose. That's what Serena does and that's what makes her so good. She internalizes her failure and doesn't blame anyone but herself for her own shortcomings. WHAT PART OF SHE DOESN'T BLAME OTHERS FOR HER LOSES DON'T YOU PEOPLE GET. It's called taking responsibility for your own fate. But I see why that might be a foreign concept to get for some of you. I pity anyone who seriously whats their fav to say things like "She was just to good, there was nothing I could have done." Or, "She's a better player than me." To the untrained ear that may sound like graciousness, but to me it sounds like an excuse for showing a lack of effort. It that's the case I hope Serena remains a "bad loser" forever. At least I'll know she really cared about winning.

iWill
Jun 22nd, 2009, 10:37 PM
Who in there right mind would ever want to be a good loser? Losing is supposed to make you mad, it's supposed to make you think of what you did wrong and what you should have done better. losing is supposed to be agony so that you remember that agony the next time you're about to lose. That's what Serena does and that's what makes her so good. She internalizes her failure and doesn't blame anyone but herself for her own shortcomings. WHAT PART OF SHE DOESN'T BLAME OTHERS FOR HER LOSES DON'T YOU PEOPLE GET. It's called taking responsibility for your own fate. But I see why that might be a foreign concept to get for some of you. I pity anyone who seriously whats their fav to say things like "She was just to good, there was nothing I could have done." Or, "She's a better player than me." To the untrained ear that may sound like graciousness, but to me it sounds like an excuse for showing a lack of effort. It that's the case I hope Serena remains a "bad loser" forever. At least I'll know she really cared about winning.

Couldn't have said that better myself!

Knizzle
Jun 22nd, 2009, 10:41 PM
you know, it's kind of frustrating. I *loved* Serena in this interview. Funny, calm, composed ... she is showing that she IS a great champion. She even gave Svetlana credit for Paris. Now, if only she can be this way right after a loss, she would show so much maturity and I could start respecting her again. This makes me want to root for her ...:rolleyes:

Denise4925
Jun 22nd, 2009, 10:41 PM
Who in there right mind would ever want to be a good loser? Losing is supposed to make you mad, it's supposed to make you think of what you did wrong and what you should have done better. losing is supposed to be agony so that you remember that agony the next time you're about to lose. That's what Serena does and that's what makes her so good. She internalizes her failure and doesn't blame anyone but herself for her own shortcomings. WHAT PART OF SHE DOESN'T BLAME OTHERS FOR HER LOSES DON'T YOU PEOPLE GET. It's called taking responsibility for your own fate. But I see why that might be a foreign concept to get for some of you. I pity anyone who seriously whats their fav to say things like "She was just to good, there was nothing I could have done." Or, "She's a better player than me." To the untrained ear that may sound like graciousness, but to me it sounds like an excuse for showing a lack of effort. It that's the case I hope Serena remains a "bad loser" forever. At least I'll know she really cared about winning.

:worship::worship::worship:

RFSTB
Jun 22nd, 2009, 10:44 PM
:bounce: finally an ova I can root for !!

:rolls: about Russia to Compton at age 7!!! She's da bomb! :worship:

tennisIlove09
Jun 22nd, 2009, 10:46 PM
Who in there right mind would ever want to be a good loser? Losing is supposed to make you mad, it's supposed to make you think of what you did wrong and what you should have done better. losing is supposed to be agony so that you remember that agony the next time you're about to lose. That's what Serena does and that's what makes her so good. She internalizes her failure and doesn't blame anyone but herself for her own shortcomings. WHAT PART OF SHE DOESN'T BLAME OTHERS FOR HER LOSES DON'T YOU PEOPLE GET. It's called taking responsibility for your own fate. But I see why that might be a foreign concept to get for some of you. I pity anyone who seriously whats their fav to say things like "She was just to good, there was nothing I could have done." Or, "She's a better player than me." To the untrained ear that may sound like graciousness, but to me it sounds like an excuse for showing a lack of effort. It that's the case I hope Serena remains a "bad loser" forever. At least I'll know she really cared about winning.

Fair enough. Everyone has a different opinion of what a classy and gracious loser should be.

Denise4925
Jun 22nd, 2009, 10:57 PM
During the match, Serena shows how bad of a loser she can be. She usually looks like she is about to cry when she starts losing/playing poorly.

What's wrong with that? What do you want her to do, start cheering and jumping up and down for her opponent? :confused: And, how can she be a bad loser DURING the match before it's over? What about when other players shoulders start to slump or they have an anguished look on their face or when they hit the side of their legs? Or is it just Serena who's not allowed to have any expression when she's losing. She's just supposed to look like nothing is happening? I don't get this comment of yours.

After the match at the hand shake, she is always extremely gracious. It's in the press that she becomes a sore loser. Everyone has matches where they lose the match, but every time she loses we hear the same excuses "I was at 10%" or "She did nothing special". It makes it extremely hard to have respect for her when she makes those claims after every loss. No one expects someone to win every match they play. It would be great if after a loss Serena could say "She played great. It wasn't my day and she came up with amazing shots". What I am saying is FACT ... this IS how Serena is. She IS a bad loser. I am not saying anything new.

Oh, it's just in the press conference that she becomes a sore loser, because you said above that it was during the match. :confused: But, what she says is usually true, no? She expects to win every match, as does Vee and thank God. How can you talk about Serena, when Vee says almost exactly the same things when she loses in the presser? Vee always talks about how poor she herself played. She doesn't really give credit to her opponent other than to say, "she played well today", and that's only sometimes. So, if you don't have respect for Serena for the very same thing, how can you say with a straight face that you respect Vee?

No, what you're saying is true about what she says in her presser, but it's not a fact that she's a bad loser. That's just your opinion of how she is. :shrug: And, no you're not saying anything new. So, why keep saying it? It's not like we didn't get it the first 1 zillion times.

Plus, I usually do not post anything about her. If you look back at her results threads, I do not post anything. I posted in this because if she could be this charming, even in defeat, she would really become a awesome champion in every aspect. I just posted because it made me think about it ... that's what these forums are for. When you feel like you have something to add to a thread, you do. I sometimes think people take other people's opinions are too seriously. Just my opinion though.

You posted about her being charming and just as you want Serena to say what you want her to say, I want you to just keep it at that. There's no need to go on and on about how you don't respect her, blah, blah, blah. You just want to drag her in the mud and flame the thread. You see how the sword cuts both ways? I can accuse you of something heinous just because you're not behaving the way I want you to. I have nothing personal against you, but just as I can't control what you say that annoys or disgusts me on a message board, you can't control what Serena says in a press conference. Just as I have no right to accuse you of being a hater or flaming the thread just because you gave an opinion I didn't agree with, nor do you have a right to accuse Serena of being a bad loser just because she doesn't behave on court (when she's losing) or in the press conference when she's lost a match, the way you want her to behave. :shrug:

Wedgie619
Jun 22nd, 2009, 10:59 PM
Who in there right mind would ever want to be a good loser? Losing is supposed to make you mad, it's supposed to make you think of what you did wrong and what you should have done better. losing is supposed to be agony so that you remember that agony the next time you're about to lose. That's what Serena does and that's what makes her so good. She internalizes her failure and doesn't blame anyone but herself for her own shortcomings. WHAT PART OF SHE DOESN'T BLAME OTHERS FOR HER LOSES DON'T YOU PEOPLE GET. It's called taking responsibility for your own fate. But I see why that might be a foreign concept to get for some of you. I pity anyone who seriously whats their fav to say things like "She was just to good, there was nothing I could have done." Or, "She's a better player than me." To the untrained ear that may sound like graciousness, but to me it sounds like an excuse for showing a lack of effort. It that's the case I hope Serena remains a "bad loser" forever. At least I'll know she really cared about winning.

There's a HUGE difference between not placing blame and giving credit when credits due...
I tend to agree a person who comes out and says "She was just to good, there was nothing I could have done." Or, "She's a better player than me." really doesnt care about winning... but there is nothing wrong with saying someone played a really good match of tennis is there???

Knizzle
Jun 22nd, 2009, 11:01 PM
There's a HUGE difference between not placing blame and giving credit when credits due...
I tend to agree a person who comes out and says "She was just to good, there was nothing I could have done." Or, "She's a better player than me." really doesnt care about winning... but there is nothing wrong with saying someone played a really good match of tennis is there???These rarely if ever would be the truth when it comes to Serena. And when she WASN'T the player she is today, she gave that type of credit alot when she lost.

Denise4925
Jun 22nd, 2009, 11:04 PM
There's a HUGE difference between not placing blame and giving credit when credits due...
I tend to agree a person who comes out and says "She was just to good, there was nothing I could have done." Or, "She's a better player than me." really doesnt care about winning... but there is nothing wrong with saying someone played a really good match of tennis is there???

She does say that, but some people don't ever give her credit for saying it. :rolleyes: Even when she wins, and her opponent takes it to her, she will say that her opponent played a good match. In fact, she says that after almost every match she plays, win or lose. Where have y'all been? :confused:

Noctis
Jun 22nd, 2009, 11:06 PM
Fair enough. Everyone has a different opinion of what a classy and gracious loser should be.

She just won her first match。Can you Sod off? :wavey:

Denise4925
Jun 22nd, 2009, 11:08 PM
She just won her first match。Can you Sod off? :wavey:

Yeah, all this talk of her being a "sore loser" is bad karma after her first round.

tennisIlove09
Jun 22nd, 2009, 11:11 PM
She just won her first match。Can you Sod off? :wavey:

No, I can't. If I have something to say, I will say it. You always have the option not a) not read it or b) not reply to it.

I wasn't trying to fight with Serena fans. I was just trying to make a point that if she was always this charming in her interviews; win or lose; I, personally, would root for her more! That's all. Suddenly it turns into this larger than life thread. I guess that's GM on this message board! It certainly makes my work days more interesting :p

plantman
Jun 22nd, 2009, 11:13 PM
http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d5/digital_talent/ms.gif

PRICELESS

:haha::haha:

tennisIlove09
Jun 22nd, 2009, 11:15 PM
What's wrong with that? What do you want her to do, start cheering and jumping up and down for her opponent? :confused: And, how can she be a bad loser DURING the match before it's over? What about when other players shoulders start to slump or they have an anguished look on their face or when they hit the side of their legs? Or is it just Serena who's not allowed to have any expression when she's losing. She's just supposed to look like nothing is happening? I don't get this comment of yours.



Oh, it's just in the press conference that she becomes a sore loser, because you said above that it was during the match. :confused: But, what she says is usually true, no? She expects to win every match, as does Vee and thank God. How can you talk about Serena, when Vee says almost exactly the same things when she loses in the presser? Vee always talks about how poor she herself played. She doesn't really give credit to her opponent other than to say, "she played well today", and that's only sometimes. So, if you don't have respect for Serena for the very same thing, how can you say with a straight face that you respect Vee?

No, what you're saying is true about what she says in her presser, but it's not a fact that she's a bad loser. That's just your opinion of how she is. :shrug: And, no you're not saying anything new. So, why keep saying it? It's not like we didn't get it the first 1 zillion times.



You posted about her being charming and just as you want Serena to say what you want her to say, I want you to just keep it at that. There's no need to go on and on about how you don't respect her, blah, blah, blah. You just want to drag her in the mud and flame the thread. You see how the sword cuts both ways? I can accuse you of something heinous just because you're not behaving the way I want you to. I have nothing personal against you, but just as I can't control what you say that annoys or disgusts me on a message board, you can't control what Serena says in a press conference. Just as I have no right to accuse you of being a hater or flaming the thread just because you gave an opinion I didn't agree with, nor do you have a right to accuse Serena of being a bad loser just because she doesn't behave on court (when she's losing) or in the press conference when she's lost a match, the way you want her to behave. :shrug:

Venus ... the last time Venus really said that she made all the mistakes was at the French Open. Usually Venus says something to the extent of "I made the wrong shots at the wrong times ... but she played well".
Look at the Australian Open (where she was up in the third, much like Serena in Paris)

Q. Obviously a difficult loss. Would you tell us what happened, what went wrong out there?
VENUS WILLIAMS: Yeah, you know, I think she played some really good tennis. She was super consistent and aggressive and just went for her shots. I think she just played really well.

Q. What do you think made the difference? You looked in control of the match the first set. It turned around after that.
VENUS WILLIAMS: Yeah, like I said, she played well. You know, I think she took her opportunities and really showed a lot of character.
It's pretty close after the match. We haven't quite figured out exactly, you know, which areas went wrong. But I definitely have to credit her.

To me, there is a huge difference. Just me though. It's not just a Venus-Serena thing though. It's an everyone - Serena thing, really. I guess that is what makes Serena unique ... there's never been a player that loses the way she does in the history of the game.

BuTtErFrEnA
Jun 22nd, 2009, 11:17 PM
:haha: :haha: serena and kuzzy = long lost sisters....richard has a white russian woman on the side?? :lol:

Denise4925
Jun 22nd, 2009, 11:17 PM
Venus ... the last time Venus really said that she made all the mistakes was at the French Open. Usually Venus says something to the extent of "I made the wrong shots at the wrong times ... but she played well".
Look at the Australian Open (where she was up in the third, much like Serena in Paris)


To me, there is a huge difference. Just me though. It's not just a Venus-Serena thing though. It's an everyone - Serena thing, really. I guess that is what makes Serena unique ... there's never been a player that loses the way she does in the history of the game.

Sorry TIL, but that is such crap. I'm not even going to entertain it anymore.

Knizzle
Jun 22nd, 2009, 11:18 PM
TIL09, you seem to STILL be bitter that Serena has greater accomplishments than Venus, get over it!

tennisIlove09
Jun 22nd, 2009, 11:25 PM
im not bitter. i could care less. i only watch tennis to be entertained. the results of tennis do not make me happy or sad in my every day life. people that are that obsessed with a sport (or anything for that matter) should probably take a step back. a huge step back.

tennisIlove09
Jun 22nd, 2009, 11:26 PM
Sorry TIL, but that is such crap. I'm not even going to entertain it anymore.
:tape: no one asked you to in the first place :tape:

Knizzle
Jun 22nd, 2009, 11:29 PM
im not bitter. i could care less. i only watch tennis to be entertained. the results of tennis do not make me happy or sad in my every day life. people that are that obsessed with a sport (or anything for that matter) should probably take a step back. a huge step back.I wasn't referring to your everyday life outside of tennis...You've always been hard on Serena, especially when she was beating Venus in all those GS finals. Even accusing your own fave of tanking matches to allow Serena to win.

BuTtErFrEnA
Jun 22nd, 2009, 11:34 PM
I wasn't referring to your everyday life outside of tennis...You've always been hard on Serena, especially when she was beating Venus in all those GS finals. Even accusing your own fave of tanking matches to allow Serena to win.

hopefully you aren't surpised by that things hatred of serena lol :lol:

tennisIlove09
Jun 22nd, 2009, 11:38 PM
only because i think she is better than what she displays. everyone knows, whether you like Serena as a player or not, that the girl is the best of her generation, heck maybe even of all time. i think the big difference between her and other great players is her attitude though. I dont remember hearing Graf, Navratilova, BJK, Seles ... even other contemporaries of Serena's like Venus, Davenport, acting the way she does. That's all I'm saying. :shrug: I am hard on her? I guess that's everyone's own opinion.

Knizzle
Jun 22nd, 2009, 11:38 PM
hopefully you aren't surpised by that things hatred of serena lol :lol:It's a HE, not a thing, but it just the excuses that I don't understand. It's normal to feel some type of way about someone that beats your fave, but just own up to it instead of saying the dislike is rooted purely in that someone's "attitude"

tennisIlove09
Jun 22nd, 2009, 11:40 PM
hopefully you aren't surpised by that things hatred of serena lol :lol:
That's half the problem though ... anyone says anything negative about a player and suddenly it's a "hate".

If I said I didnt like Sharapova's dress, Sharapova fans would call me a "hater". it's really not. People are too obsessed with their favorites. It's only a sport. But how you conduct yourself says a lot about you as a person.

Knizzle
Jun 22nd, 2009, 11:40 PM
only because i think she is better than what she displays. everyone knows, whether you like Serena as a player or not, that the girl is the best of her generation, heck maybe even of all time. i think the big difference between her and other great players is her attitude though. I dont remember hearing Graf, Navratilova, BJK, Seles ... even other contemporaries of Serena's like Venus, Davenport, acting the way she does. That's all I'm saying. :shrug: I am hard on her? I guess that's everyone's own opinion.You were not around or mature in Graf, Nav's or Seles' best years so you don't know. I wish Venus spoke more freely because frankly she holds her tongue too much or you would hear alot of the same things coming out of her mouth as Serena. I don't see how you can't see that.

tennisIlove09
Jun 22nd, 2009, 11:41 PM
It's a HE, not a thing, but it just the excuses that I don't understand. It's normal to feel some type of way about someone that beats your fave, but just own up to it instead of saying the dislike is rooted purely in that someone's "attitude"

If you are referring to me, and the Venus - Serena thing ... what is there head to head 10-10? 11-11? they beat each other all the time. :shrug: you're grasping at straws to find ways that i am a 'hater'. i am not a 'hater', i just dislike how she carries herself.

tennisIlove09
Jun 22nd, 2009, 11:42 PM
You were not around or mature in Graf, Nav's or Seles' best years so you don't know.
I wasnt around to see it live. But I have seen many, many matches with them (I owe a lot of them, and have seen them on ESPN Classic and or Youtube ... and you can go and read interviewers/articles on that great thing called the internet). So, I have a pretty good idea.

Knizzle
Jun 22nd, 2009, 11:48 PM
If you are referring to me, and the Venus - Serena thing ... what is there head to head 10-10? 11-11? they beat each other all the time. :shrug: you're grasping at straws to find ways that i am a 'hater'. i am not a 'hater', i just dislike how she carries herself.You have 49,000+ posts, I don't have to grasp at straws. You may dislike how she carries herself, but if she hadn't beaten Venus all those times, I doubt you would really care. I bet you didn't have anything against her until say....Wimbledon 2002.

tennisIlove09
Jun 22nd, 2009, 11:56 PM
You have 49,000+ posts, I don't have to grasp at straws. You may dislike how she carries herself, but if she hadn't beaten Venus all those times, I doubt you would really care. I bet you didn't have anything against her until say....Wimbledon 2002.
Again, you're wrong. The majority of my posts are from the game that I was running. I ran WGTA in the games forum for 10 seasons (WGTA time).

Nope, I think Serena's attitude started long before Wimbledon 2002. She was a sore loser way before then. I think the worst was 2000 US Open. Davenport played an amazing match to take her out. Serena claimed injury, and then withdrew from the doubles as well. Dunno, it just seemed to progress from there. :shrug: Her matches with Capriati seemed to bring out the worst in her as well. The exception was that 2004 US Open, where she had every right to be pissed off, but handled it with a ton of class. I even think she said something like "The calls didnt change the outcome, I should have closed her out in two sets". Something along that lines.

Knizzle
Jun 23rd, 2009, 12:15 AM
Again, you're wrong. The majority of my posts are from the game that I was running. I ran WGTA in the games forum for 10 seasons (WGTA time).

Nope, I think Serena's attitude started long before Wimbledon 2002. She was a sore loser way before then. I think the worst was 2000 US Open. Davenport played an amazing match to take her out. Serena claimed injury, and then withdrew from the doubles as well. Dunno, it just seemed to progress from there. :shrug: Her matches with Capriati seemed to bring out the worst in her as well. The exception was that 2004 US Open, where she had every right to be pissed off, but handled it with a ton of class. I even think she said something like "The calls didnt change the outcome, I should have closed her out in two sets". Something along that lines.http://www.asapsports.com/show_interview.php?id=22139

and just ignore all other matches huh?

brickhousesupporter
Jun 23rd, 2009, 12:21 AM
You were not around or mature in Graf, Nav's or Seles' best years so you don't know. I wish Venus spoke more freely because frankly she holds her tongue too much or you would hear alot of the same things coming out of her mouth as Serena. I don't see how you can't see that.

I completely agree.....I think Serena says all the things that Venus and her discuss, but since she is not running for any office or could care less what other think she say them out in public. I remember a time when Venus could only point out 3 matches when someone beat her. She had way more than 3 losses at the time she made those statements.

tennisIlove09
Jun 23rd, 2009, 12:23 AM
Ignore what other matches? I can list many, many times that she disappointed me. I just perfer players that show good sportsmanship win or lose. When Serena wins, she's great. And when she wins it's great to watch and see. Anyone that is a fan of the sport can see that she is amazing when she is on. I just wish she would transform that into losing too. No one can win everytime they play, it's just a fact ... it's all about perference.

tennisIlove09
Jun 23rd, 2009, 12:25 AM
Oracene probably said it best after the French last year. Or maybe it was after Wimbledon.


“Serena thinks everything is supposed to go her way, that’s the bottom line,” said mom/coach Oracene Price, who had finally removed the large sunglasses she hid behind during the match. “She thinks that’s the way it’s supposed to go in life. But this is life.”

For her mother’s part, however, she believes it’s time for Serena to grow up and experience a reality check on life in the real world.
“Well, you know, she’s going to have to learn how to suck things up,” Price said. “[She needs to] say, ‘OK, I’m not going to win everything. This is going to make me a better person. This will build character for myself and I have to learn how to lose. I might not be happy about it, but I just have to go on, go on and say, you know what, I didn’t get this one, but I’m getting the next one.’”

youizahoe
Jun 23rd, 2009, 12:29 AM
Serena :spit:

tennisIlove09
Jun 23rd, 2009, 12:29 AM
anyways, good debate. made my day go my faster. i get to go home now! :wavey: enjoy the rest of the fortnight. :)

Knizzle
Jun 23rd, 2009, 12:32 AM
Q. Is this as well as she's ever played against you?
SERENA WILLIAMS: Yeah, I guess. Yeah, you can definitely say this is the best she's ever played against me. You know, she should take that attitude toward everyone

:haha:

Serenita
Jun 23rd, 2009, 12:33 AM
lol
Williamsova

iWill
Jun 23rd, 2009, 12:49 AM
http://www.asapsports.com/show_interview.php?id=22139

and just ignore all other matches huh?

That was a really interesting read. I love how Serena then and Serena now aren't too different, just a little more experience and a few more GS titles under her belt lol

dreamgoddess099
Jun 23rd, 2009, 01:15 AM
There's a HUGE difference between not placing blame and giving credit when credits due...
I'm sure it's up to the player to decide if or when credit it due. Not you.


I tend to agree a person who comes out and says "She was just to good, there was nothing I could have done." Or, "She's a better player than me." really doesnt care about winning... but there is nothing wrong with saying someone played a really good match of tennis is there???

There is definitely something wrong with saying it if you feel it's a lie.

tennnisfannn
Jun 23rd, 2009, 02:00 AM
When I saw Williamsova i actually thought this was going to be about Maria, wasn't there a time on this board when maria used to be referred to as the third williams?

Knizzle
Jun 23rd, 2009, 02:09 AM
When I saw Williamsova i actually thought this was going to be about Maria, wasn't there a time on this board when maria used to be referred to as the third williams?yeah, back in 2003.

bandabou
Jun 23rd, 2009, 04:22 AM
Venus ... the last time Venus really said that she made all the mistakes was at the French Open. Usually Venus says something to the extent of "I made the wrong shots at the wrong times ... but she played well".
Look at the Australian Open (where she was up in the third, much like Serena in Paris)


To me, there is a huge difference. Just me though. It's not just a Venus-Serena thing though. It's an everyone - Serena thing, really. I guess that is what makes Serena unique ... there's never been a player that loses the way she does in the history of the game.

:lol: Losing to CSN? Dang!

Huntress55
Jun 23rd, 2009, 04:39 AM
I use to hate Serena Williams a few years back, with a passion too. But I find myself growing to like her more and more these past years. I still dont usually go for her in matches (usually cause I just like to see an upset or she is playing a player I like) but I have a lot of respect for her now and I love her interviews :lol: She seems to have a pretty good personality :yeah:

Personally I think what I use to hate was her confidence which I use to think she was just being cocky buuut then again when you are a player like her probably have a reason to be every now and then but I think shes just got a bright and very honest personality, which is nice.

Sharapower
Jun 23rd, 2009, 05:27 AM
I'm 100% with TennisILove09: If Serena didn't have all her tennis-achievements to back it up, her attitude would qualify for mild psychological imbalance. That's just how she is, I guess.
I still can't swallow her "I was at 20%" when she lost to Sharapova in Wimbledon '04. Arguably she wasn't at her best but 20%, gee... it was disrespectful not only for Maria but for everyone else, like "When I'm at 20% I reach GS finals."

friendsita
Jun 23rd, 2009, 05:35 AM
I simply love her.

kiwifan
Jun 23rd, 2009, 06:14 AM
Love her, Love Venus. :angel:

bandabou
Jun 23rd, 2009, 06:37 AM
Never a boring moment with babygirll!!

dreamgoddess099
Jun 23rd, 2009, 07:46 AM
When I saw Williamsova i actually thought this was going to be about Maria, wasn't there a time on this board when maria used to be referred to as the third williams?

I never referred to her as that ( I never got the comparison), but I remember those days.

DOUBLEFIST
Jun 23rd, 2009, 07:50 AM
Uh, puhleeeeze! She can't please everyone. She has plenty of fans rooting for her.

Thank you! Like she's soooo much the poorer for not having TIL (AKA, Dallas) as her fan. :rolleyes:

Human Nature
Jun 23rd, 2009, 08:26 AM
Valid point.

but with Serena it happens every single time she losses, which is what I find disrespectful. If it was a once in awhile thing, fine ... but it's not. :shrug:


As you said people take other opinion's too seriously ..then serena wont loose her sleep because you dont respect her as long as a bunch of other people do respect her ...it is not as your opinion was at the same level than God's opinion :shrug: .. .

homogenius
Jun 23rd, 2009, 08:35 AM
Who in there right mind would ever want to be a good loser? Losing is supposed to make you mad, it's supposed to make you think of what you did wrong and what you should have done better. losing is supposed to be agony so that you remember that agony the next time you're about to lose. That's what Serena does and that's what makes her so good. She internalizes her failure and doesn't blame anyone but herself for her own shortcomings. WHAT PART OF SHE DOESN'T BLAME OTHERS FOR HER LOSES DON'T YOU PEOPLE GET. It's called taking responsibility for your own fate. But I see why that might be a foreign concept to get for some of you. I pity anyone who seriously whats their fav to say things like "She was just to good, there was nothing I could have done." Or, "She's a better player than me." To the untrained ear that may sound like graciousness, but to me it sounds like an excuse for showing a lack of effort. It that's the case I hope Serena remains a "bad loser" forever. At least I'll know she really cared about winning.

Lucky shots ?

Coffee&TV
Jun 23rd, 2009, 09:29 AM
:lol:

LCS
Jun 23rd, 2009, 09:30 AM
Sovarena :lol:

Denise4925
Jun 23rd, 2009, 06:29 PM
I use to hate Serena Williams a few years back, with a passion too. But I find myself growing to like her more and more these past years. I still dont usually go for her in matches (usually cause I just like to see an upset or she is playing a player I like) but I have a lot of respect for her now and I love her interviews :lol: She seems to have a pretty good personality :yeah:

Personally I think what I use to hate was her confidence which I use to think she was just being cocky buuut then again when you are a player like her probably have a reason to be every now and then but I think shes just got a bright and very honest personality, which is nice.

Exactly. I wish other people would be more open to that mentality and recognize why they really hate her or don't respect her whatever.

Denise4925
Jun 23rd, 2009, 06:30 PM
I'm 100% with TennisILove09: If Serena didn't have all her tennis-achievements to back it up, her attitude would qualify for mild psychological imbalance. That's just how she is, I guess.
I still can't swallow her "I was at 20%" when she lost to Sharapova in Wimbledon '04. Arguably she wasn't at her best but 20%, gee... it was disrespectful not only for Maria but for everyone else, like "When I'm at 20% I reach GS finals."

Exaggerate much? :rolleyes: Serena saying that is no different from Maria saying "I'm only 17, then 18, then 19..." when she lost.

Denise4925
Jun 23rd, 2009, 06:33 PM
Lucky shots ?

Well, that's your one ace in the hole. Saying someone made "lucky shots" is a whole lot better and classier than lying about whether you held your hand up to stop service in order to win. :rolleyes:

tennisIlove09
Jun 23rd, 2009, 07:56 PM
Exactly. I wish other people would be more open to that mentality and recognize why they really hate her or don't respect her whatever.
But that is half the problem on this board. if anyone says anything negative about their favorite player, they get labelled a 'hater' or they 'hate' the player. i really, really, dont think people take tennis that seriously to actually hate a tennis player. it's only a sport for crying out loud. y'all take this too seriously! :lol:

homogenius
Jun 23rd, 2009, 08:00 PM
Well, that's your one ace in the hole. Saying someone made "lucky shots" is a whole lot better and classier than lying about whether you held your hand up to stop service in order to win. :rolleyes:

Who said Henin was a classy player ? Me ? Don't think so...
I just pointed out that the whole "Serena never blame defeat on something else blah blah" tyrade was inaccurate.

Diesel
Jun 23rd, 2009, 08:00 PM
But that is half the problem on this board. if anyone says anything negative about their favorite player, they get labelled a 'hater' or they 'hate' the player. i really, really, dont think people take tennis that seriously to actually hate a tennis player. it's only a sport for crying out loud. y'all take this too seriously! :lol:

You aren't exactly the one to judge on what people take seriously or not. That in itself is a joke. Oh :lol:

tennisIlove09
Jun 23rd, 2009, 08:03 PM
I take nothing on this board seriously. it's just a great way to kill time at work :p