View Full Version : How Much Should Venus Be Fined For Pulling Out Of Brasil?

Sep 9th, 2002, 05:53 AM
The WTA said they would fine her today, but I think they should not be surprised when she reverts back to her 12-14 events in 2003.

Sam L
Sep 9th, 2002, 06:03 AM
Well I don't think she should be fined.

Also I think her and Serena should swap schedules it's only fair.

Serena has been getting away with playing few tournaments a year but ALL the big events, but Venus have had to settle for the smaller events (virtually no tier I's) and playing many tier II's. That's more tiring.

So it's only fair they should swap.

Sep 9th, 2002, 06:14 AM
She should be fined in accordance to WTA Policy & Protocol, as per any player would be.

Sep 9th, 2002, 06:33 AM
Well we will see if they both actually play Zurich like planned. If they do, I bet next year we will see them playing a lot of the same events next year.

Sep 9th, 2002, 06:40 AM
Much as I like Venus, if she didn't pull out because of inury she should be fined if she signed a contract. I'm sure they may have sold more tickets to the event just because she was appearing and that would be unfair to the fans who wanted to see her.

I think she will pull back on events next year also because her heart doesn't seem to be in to playing a lot of tournaments. :wavey:

Sep 9th, 2002, 06:52 AM
I think she should fine, but at the same time I would love to see her revert back to 14-15 events a year. I really think that by her playing too much is not good for her, she staggered her way to US open final and then got completely overwhelmed by a much fresher Serena.

Also, I relaise the trend that Serena got to play all those tier 1, maybe they can sit down and divide those fairly

Sep 9th, 2002, 06:57 AM
$450,000.00 :eek:

Sep 9th, 2002, 07:17 AM
I agree Serena give Venus some the Teir Is in 2003 or Venus should enter anyway and surprise Serena and beat her badly. I'm sick of Serena beating Venus and the day Venus beats Serena, I will pop a bottle of champagne!!

Sep 9th, 2002, 08:18 AM
that's wishful thinking anton.:p

Sep 9th, 2002, 08:26 AM
No I think Venus will get Serena this next time and would have done it if she didnt hurt her finger. They could meet in Zurich or LA. I will be going to LA so maybe I will witness Venus beat up on Serena in person. 6-0, 6-0 would be great! :)

Sep 9th, 2002, 08:58 AM
She pulled out:)

I think she might be finned but she shouldn't really cos she pulled out before the event started.but if she isn't injured then she should.

Sep 9th, 2002, 09:03 AM
I dont think she should be fined at all considering the WTA is already milking Venus and Serena along with Anna Kournkova all they can. Venus can't carry the tour by herself. I think they are still mad bc she wouldnt wear that tacky black patch on her dress. Also the investigatoion of her injury last fall was silly. They need to get a life.

Sep 12th, 2002, 03:53 AM
$1.50. Then I hope the WTA uses the money to buy itself a clue.

Sep 12th, 2002, 04:01 AM
good point. they are holding us in limbo. they have not announced a fine yet. i called the wta and they said the marketing person who deals with this was "out of the office"

Sep 12th, 2002, 04:21 AM
8 billion dollars.


Sep 12th, 2002, 05:04 AM
Whatever they fine her, they will have to pay her twice that much in "under the table appearance fees" to get her to ever play there again.

Who needs who more, the NON GRAND SLAM in the lame duck part of the season (and not geographically convenient) tournament or one of the three biggest stars in the game?

Whatever the WTA says, Brazil will ultimately pay.

Damn, I wasn't going to post again until the Australian Open, oh well...

Sep 12th, 2002, 05:42 AM
kiwifan, if the tournament is "not geographically convenient", the Venus should NOT COMMIT TO THE FUCKING THING. This is a real simple concept that Williams fans prefer to ignore.

She should be fined 10% of her bonus pool.

Sep 12th, 2002, 05:45 AM
:rolleyes: maybe Venus did not know that Brazil is "far away" and "inconvenient" :p :o

Sep 12th, 2002, 06:02 AM
I am sure that VENUS is quite aware of the location of Brazile and her thinking is much less "far away" and not mentally "inconvenient" than some posters on this board. :p

Sep 12th, 2002, 11:31 PM
IMHO it was a bit of a mentallist move to commit there in the first place.... 99 out of 100 people had her penciled in for the USO finals, including herself i am sure.

The fact that she pulled out would be a surprise to 1 in 100... prob the dumb 1 in 100 that didn't have her penciled in for the USO final. . .

Sep 13th, 2002, 03:00 AM
The only way that this tournament is probably going to attract the top players who would probably love to see such a beautiful country with its beautiful people is by moving at least a week or more after the US Open. It is just plain stupid that a top seed who will more than likely make the semis or final of the US Open will have to turn around and fly a 1000 miles with little to no rest after two long and tiring weeks. Heaven forbid she play doubles at the Open and you have a recipe for a first round upset. Any thoughts...

Sep 13th, 2002, 04:37 AM
I called the WTA again today. the guy who talks to the media is named Rob something and he seems to be avoiding talking about Venus' fine. After the WTA said they were going to fine her, she withdrew again from Zurich like "who cares." They to me have egg on their face. And after they fine her, they are going to have to run back and beg her to play some tournaments in 2003 so they are stupid to bit the hand that is feeding their greed.

Sep 13th, 2002, 09:36 AM
Gold Exempt players don't get fined, monies are deducted from their Bonus Pool Allocation.

Sep 13th, 2002, 10:05 AM
If you say you will do something and don't without a reasonable excuse, then you're doing wrong. No matter how much money you generate with your star power, or how important you think you are, that's a wrong thing to do.

You're screwing those who matter the most - the fans. Every fan getting screwed is a potential lost fan, and that's less money for the tour in the end.

If you don't intend to play, DON'T SIGN UP. If you did sign up, GO THERE AND PLAY. or show you MEDICAL EVIDENCE that you CAN'T.

If this is too hard to grasp for anyone, they should be fined A LOT.

Sep 13th, 2002, 10:17 AM
smygelfh - Did you not see the blister that VENUS acquired during the semi finals of the Open? I guess not.

VENUS will NOT be fined a LOT as you desire and the deduction from the year end points bonus money will only be deducted from her taxes as an expense for this year.

So there. :p LOL

Sep 13th, 2002, 10:22 AM
I agree that she probably won't get punishment even remotely hurtful, but I still think she should, like any other players who pull out like this.

Actually, what I dislike most in this whole situation is that there are so many people who acknowledge and admire the "I'm a star so I don't have to care about other people" attitude that makes people pull out of tournaments like this. I think it's an attitude that stinks, and the fact that many players use it and many people approve doesn't change the basic fact : It's wrong.

You're constantly nagging about not getting crowd support. Behaviour like this is one of the reasons for that.

Sep 13th, 2002, 10:29 AM
Maybe this is a reaction to the lack of fan support.

VENUS is a star and it is better for her not to appear then to just show up, blow a match, collect the appearance fee and go like many ATP players have done.

I know that some of you want VENUS punished for the way that she has punished some of your faves on the court, but you will just have to live with the situation. Ok? LOL :p

Sep 13th, 2002, 10:38 AM
My views aren't specific for Venus, allthough the bigger the star you are, the bigger responisiblity you have. I have the same view on any player pulling out, even my fave. Have a GOOD reason before you pull out, or DON'T.

It's better for Venus to pull out right now, perhaps. It's not better for the fans in Brazil hoping to see her. And it's not better for Venus' popularity. And let's face it, Venus can beat most players just by showing up ;) And if she did somehow manage to lose, it would generate more interest to the tour since she's beatable by someone else than Serena ;)

And it was in US they had problems with support, so it should be a nice change to go abroad ;)