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tea
Jun 20th, 2009, 02:18 PM
Jun 19 2009 by David Prentice, Liverpool Echo (http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/other-sports/2009/06/19/tennis-don-t-boo-me-pleads-larcher-de-brito-100252-23923324/)

EAR-SPLITTING Michelle Larcher de Brito has pleaded with British tennis fans not to boo her 109 decibel war cries at Wimbledon next week.

The Portuguese youngster caused a storm at the French Open when Aravane Rezai complained to the umpire about the noise generated by de Brito.

But at the Liverpool International yesterday, Michelle admitted she didnít know what all the fuss was about.

ďIt was different at Paris because I was playing against a French player,Ē she said. ďI really hope the English crowd respects me as a player and not just some annoying little 16-year-old.:awww:

ďIím not trying to be a nuisance or anything.

ďI hope they can understand that Iím just trying to become the number one player in the world.:D Iím trying to become a good tennis player, not just screaming my head off!

ďIíve been on court for two-and-a-half years now and itís never been an issue before. Iíve been on TV, Iíve played live matches and no-oneís ever complained before.

ďIím not the first one to shout on court. Weíve had Monica (Seles), Sharapova, Azarenka. Iím not the only one who does it. Maybe Iím just a little bit louder than them. Iím not the only one.Ē

The Calderstones Park crowd wouldnít even have known that Larcher de Brito was playing yesterday.

Parisian tennis fans complained that they could hear Portuguese screamer three courts away at Roland Garros.

With her rain interrupted clash with Canadian Eugenie Bouchard being contested on one of the outside courts, barely a murmur filtered through to the Centre Court as de Brito finished off a comfortable 8-2 triumph.

ďI do it all the time,Ē she shrugged afterwards. ďIíve won matches and lost matches doing it. Iíve lost 6-0 6-2 but Iíve still been grunting.

ďGrunting is something I always do. I do it from the beginning of every match Ė winning or losing. Itís not tactical or anything. Itís just a tennis thing.Ē

homogenius
Jun 20th, 2009, 02:22 PM
“It was different at Paris because I was playing against a French player,” :confused:

Anyway, all of a sudden the girl is a lot less bratty :lol:

cn ireland
Jun 20th, 2009, 02:25 PM
I don't the British crowd will mind that much, they're alot more tolerant than the French.

Keegan
Jun 20th, 2009, 02:27 PM
BOOOO :D

Is everyone sure they were booing her? It might've been an attempt, albeit poor, at mimicking her? ;)

Dodoboy.
Jun 20th, 2009, 02:28 PM
The British Crowd are a mild lot - they won't boo.

They won't be too pleased either though!

SVK
Jun 20th, 2009, 02:28 PM
I think English crowd will laughing not booing...i remeber some loud matches there:lol:

Roookie
Jun 20th, 2009, 02:30 PM
Brits love it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Gs6WTJExYg

C'mon Michelle!.

Edinboro
Jun 20th, 2009, 02:31 PM
Normally id root for her but Im hoping Zakopalova takes care of her 6-0 6-0 =P

Vaidisova Ruled
Jun 20th, 2009, 02:33 PM
ďIím not the first one to shout on court. Weíve had Monica (Seles), Sharapova, Azarenka. Iím not the only one who does it. Maybe Iím just a little bit louder than them. Iím not the only one.Ē

A little bit, yes

Libertango
Jun 20th, 2009, 02:35 PM
Us Brits will silently tut and shake our heads, but not boo. It's the British way.

Uranus
Jun 20th, 2009, 02:37 PM
Yeah grunting is a tennis thing :yawn:.

Langers
Jun 20th, 2009, 02:39 PM
She's already losing focus.

She's gone, 1st round exit.

timafi
Jun 20th, 2009, 02:41 PM
nice spin Michelle but that was too much:rolleyes::rolleyes:

volta
Jun 20th, 2009, 02:47 PM
the tabloids are what might hurt her , the Wimbledon crowd very RARELY boos(i can't even think of a match where they did it), they'll laugh at the screaming instead

i liked this ,she's growing on me , if she drops the scream than im in :rocker:

elle-marie
Jun 20th, 2009, 02:53 PM
“I really hope the English crowd respects me as a player and not just some annoying little 16-year-old.

The reason is not in age, her shouts really exceed admissible level.:rolleyes:

“I hope they can understand that I’m just trying to become the number one player in the world.
Oh, I understand that, of course.:D
I like Michelle, and I hope she will be on the top one day, but...
She needs to learn to behave on court and not cause of the same scandals anymore.

youizahoe
Jun 20th, 2009, 03:00 PM
I actually think her grunt is not really that bad, look at schiavone's it always suprises me LOL !

Ryan
Jun 20th, 2009, 03:05 PM
No one's saying she's the only one grunting, just that she's SHRIEKING like no one else has before. :lol: I don't want anyone to boo her, but I think if her opponents have a problem with it they need to say something to the umpire.

fnuf7
Jun 20th, 2009, 03:05 PM
I wouldn't boo her if I were watching her play but I'd leave the court instead, cannot stand that noise at all. I'd rather go find some food or drink or even spend the match in a massive queue at the toilets than suffer through that noise live in person. But I wouldn't boo her.

Kipling
Jun 20th, 2009, 03:34 PM
I really hope the English crowd respects me as a player and not just some annoying little 16-year-old


If she ever stops acting like one....

DiscoStick
Jun 20th, 2009, 04:48 PM
LOL, she shouldn't compare

serenus_2k8
Jun 20th, 2009, 04:57 PM
Why if she always grunts didnt she at Calderstones?

Wtrain
Jun 20th, 2009, 04:59 PM
I'm going to boo her now! :lol:

Atrixo
Jun 20th, 2009, 05:06 PM
Sorry Michelle! But I hope the British BOO the crap out of you! :devil:

itzhak
Jun 20th, 2009, 05:07 PM
http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/2660/ivanscreams.jpg (http://img3.imageshack.us/i/ivanscreams.jpg/)

:toothy::toothy::toothy:Booooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

terjw
Jun 20th, 2009, 05:37 PM
The British Crowd are a mild lot - they won't boo.

They won't be too pleased either though!

Exactly. Excessively loud or long shrieking by any player is simply wrong and needs to be dealt with by the authorities. And I don't really buy this claim by her or Sharapova or anyone else of "I can't help it". It's more like they've never tried to stop it and don't have any reason to try - or at least reduce it to an acceptable level.

frenchie
Jun 20th, 2009, 05:38 PM
oh shut up
and nobody will boo you bitch

KournikovaFan91
Jun 20th, 2009, 07:28 PM
Her level of grunting is not on. That academy must train people to grunt because as we saw in another thread Kournikova grunted when she was a junior but stopped after she left Bolleterri.

Also if she played a Brit she would be booed.

barboza
Jun 20th, 2009, 07:29 PM
They're not going to boo you at Wimbledon, stupid.

Williamsser
Jun 20th, 2009, 07:31 PM
the consequences of grunting

madmax
Jun 20th, 2009, 07:32 PM
oh my dear Michelle, nobody is gonna boo such an adorable girl with amazing voice of an angel:devil: Only some dirty peasant parisians with no regard to beauty can do this - british have class and taste not to embarrass young lady...

Noctis
Jun 20th, 2009, 07:37 PM
So Thats why she's dead quite in Liverpool this week I was sitting behind the server I can't hear anything:eek:

Dave.
Jun 20th, 2009, 07:45 PM
Eastbourne crowd just booed for the first time so this might be the year at Wimbledon too. :unsure: :devil:

Sorry but if she doesn't want people to boo her, then stop making that horrid noise :o She keeps bringing Sharapova and Seles into this, it's as if she's only grunting to be like them, not because it does anything for her own game. That she doesn't grunt in practice or at exhibitions just shows how unnecessary it is for her.

The crowd might not boo but Wimbledon is the place where grunting gets the most attention. There are going to be ALOT of articles etc. on this and she's going to get asked about it more than ever. Happened with Seles, it's still happening with Pova and now with this noise which is 10x worse than either of them, it's going to happen with Larcher. I get the feeling that noise will stick out horribly at Wimbledon, it's just not the place for it. Larcher is going to bring a whole lot more attention for the wrong reasons to women's tennis these 2 weeks. It's a real shame. Although, if anything, I hope Wimbledon will be the final straw and something is done to tone it down.

The Dawntreader
Jun 20th, 2009, 07:49 PM
It's not even like she can't control it either. I think that's the ugliest thing about all this, it's just so deliberate. With Seles i alwaus found it quite innate and endearing.

However De Brito's 'gruny' is just ridiculous. It's pure gimmick too.

Shvedbarilescu
Jun 20th, 2009, 07:51 PM
What difference would it make anyway if people did boo? Would anyone actually HEAR the boos above the sound of Larcher De Brito's shrieks? I somehow doubt it.

The Dawntreader
Jun 20th, 2009, 07:52 PM
What difference would it make anyway if people did boo? Would anyone actually HEAR the boos above the sound of Larcher De Brito's shrieks? I somehow doubt it.

:lol:

Good point. It'll just add to the noise :haha:

Ryan
Jun 20th, 2009, 07:59 PM
What difference would it make anyway if people did boo? Would anyone actually HEAR the boos above the sound of Larcher De Brito's shrieks? I somehow doubt it.



Gold. :lol:

homogenius
Jun 20th, 2009, 08:07 PM
What difference would it make anyway if people did boo? Would anyone actually HEAR the boos above the sound of Larcher De Brito's shrieks? I somehow doubt it.

:lol:

FormerlyKnownAs
Jun 20th, 2009, 08:16 PM
Maybe they should put up some signs, and get a ear plug firm as a sponsor to give out some plugs and then nobody will boo, and she can shriek all she wants.

http://www.abromhead.co.uk/images/Hearing%20protection.jpg

Nicolas
Jun 20th, 2009, 08:17 PM
What is she trying to do with that interview? justify her irritating shrieking? be respectful to people and they'll respect you :rolleyes:

Kart
Jun 20th, 2009, 10:03 PM
She's using the 'I'm vulnerable' approach to soften the public up, seems fair enough.

If she's a fierce competitor on court it'll be hard to sell for long though.

Melly Flew Us
Jun 20th, 2009, 10:10 PM
there needn't be any booing - all we need is some cutting remarks from sue barker and that will be that.

perseus2006
Jun 20th, 2009, 10:13 PM
This endless complaining about the girls (and guys) shrieking on court is ridiculous. The complainers are a bunch of effette snobish luddites that fantasize that the girls are still playing in floor length gowns and don't run on the court because it's considered gauche!

The girls playing tennis today are professional athletes, who pump themselves up to go out on the court and do everything possible to annihilate their opponents in a one on one battle. The most thrilling matches in the WTA archives are the shriekfests produced by Serena, Pova, Venus and a few others. Tennis is now a big time, high energy sport and it is going to be noisy and it may get even noisier if the recommendations for providing music and other entertainment between games and sets is implemented.

If you want a "quiet" afternoon in the sun, go for croquet or a quilting circle on the front lawn.

Ellery
Jun 20th, 2009, 10:17 PM
What is she trying to do with that interview? justify her irritating shrieking? be respectful to people and they'll respect you :rolleyes:

Ditto.

homogenius
Jun 20th, 2009, 10:17 PM
This endless complaining about the girls (and guys) shrieking on court is ridiculous. The complainers are a bunch of effette snobish luddites that fantasize that the girls are still playing in floor length gowns and don't run on the court because it's considered gauche!

The girls playing tennis today are professional athletes, who pump themselves up to go out on the court and do everything possible to annihilate their opponents in a one on one battle. The most thrilling matches in the WTA archives are the shriekfests produced by Serena, Pova, Venus and a few others. Tennis is now a big time, high energy sport and it is going to be noisy and it may get even noisier if the recommendations for providing music and other entertainment between games and sets is implemented.

If you want a "quiet" afternoon in the sun, go for croquet or a quilting circle on the front lawn.

and if you want to hear shrieks for 2 hours, watch a porn.

perseus2006
Jun 20th, 2009, 10:24 PM
and if you want to hear shrieks for 2 hours, watch a porn.

Since you are an expert on that subject, do you complain about their noise on the porn forums? Do you gag your women to keep them quiet?

I want to see maximum effort tennis and shrieking is just a part of it.

Tennis is no longer tea party entertainment.

youizahoe
Jun 20th, 2009, 10:45 PM
Let's just face it, take out the grunts in tennis, would you even watch?

I wouldn't, tennis is already plain boring atm, there isn't really a match I've enjoyed this year, besides Serena vs Kuznetsova and Safina vs Venus.

To my opinion grunting doesn't bother the opponent nor the crowd, cause otherwise opponents would have been complaining about it for ages, and the only ones that complain about it are :

Navratilova : because she's old and can't stand much anyway.
Rezai : because she wanted to get the french crowd against MLB to influence the match.

homogenius
Jun 20th, 2009, 10:45 PM
Since you are an expert on that subject, do you complain about their noise on the porn forums? Do you gag your women to keep them quiet?

I want to see maximum effort tennis and shrieking is just a part of it.

Tennis is no longer tea party entertainment.

To clarify one or two things : I'm not a porn expert and I don't go on porn forums (who does that ?:unsure: you ?).

Clearly you missed the point : I'm not against shrieks of any kind but there are some places where they're more appropriate than in others (like porn, got it now ?).I'm all for seeing players giving all they have on a court but the shrieks of Maria, Azarenka or De Brito are NOT part of it.They can play perfectly well without that (they prove it in the past)and most of the time use it as a tactical weapon.
And I don't want players to be totally quiet, but there's a difference between grunting cause you're making an effort and De Brito's shrieks which sound like we're cutting the throat of a sheep.

homogenius
Jun 20th, 2009, 10:46 PM
Let's just face it, take out the grunts in tennis, would you even watch?

I wouldn't, tennis is already plain boring atm, there isn't really a match I've enjoyed this year, besides Serena vs Kuznetsova and Safina vs Venus.

To my opinion grunting doesn't bother the opponent nor the crowd, cause otherwise opponents would have been complaining about it for ages, and the only ones that complain about it are :

Navratilova : because she's old and can't stand much anyway.
Rezai : because she wanted to get the french crowd against MLB to influence the match.

:help: (but I can't say I'm surprised...)

youizahoe
Jun 20th, 2009, 10:47 PM
What is she trying to do with that interview? justify her irritating shrieking? be respectful to people and they'll respect you :rolleyes:

Explain me the reason between grunting and respect? If someone doesn't have respect it's Rezai, cheering on every fault all her opponents have made, on top of that she's a real arrogant b***.

Shvedbarilescu
Jun 20th, 2009, 10:51 PM
This endless complaining about the girls (and guys) shrieking on court is ridiculous. The complainers are a bunch of effette snobish luddites that fantasize that the girls are still playing in floor length gowns and don't run on the court because it's considered gauche!

The girls playing tennis today are professional athletes, who pump themselves up to go out on the court and do everything possible to annihilate their opponents in a one on one battle. The most thrilling matches in the WTA archives are the shriekfests produced by Serena, Pova, Venus and a few others. Tennis is now a big time, high energy sport and it is going to be noisy and it may get even noisier if the recommendations for providing music and other entertainment between games and sets is implemented.

If you want a "quiet" afternoon in the sun, go for croquet or a quilting circle on the front lawn.

I think I can hear where you are coming here. It is time tennis entered the high octane excitement level of great sports like wrestling and boxing and football. Noise is good. It adds to the excitement and energy of the sport. Well surely then, with this in mind you would have no objections at all to a boisterous rowdy crowd expressing themselves by booing Larcher De Brito if they felt so inclined. You certainly don't sound like someone who expects crowds to act in a quiet repressed way now, do you?

SvetaPleaseWin.
Jun 20th, 2009, 10:56 PM
brits wont boo, we dont boo, we suck, boring tennis fans that know nothing about the sport but think they do, they wont give a shit about larcher de brito. serena, venus, sharapova, federer, murray. brit fans arent interested in anyone else in the draw

tea
Jun 20th, 2009, 10:56 PM
Eastbourne crowd just booed for the first time so this might be the year at Wimbledon too. :unsure: :devil:
She won an exho in Liverpool. Is it a suburb of Eastbourne?

What difference would it make anyway if people did boo? Would anyone actually HEAR the boos above the sound of Larcher De Brito's shrieks? I somehow doubt it.
Should I laugh at this statement as the others? Not funny unfortunately.

What is she trying to do with that interview? justify her irritating shrieking? be respectful to people and they'll respect you :rolleyes:
Justify, blah-blah... Legalize, perhaps? A kid just wanted everyone to understand why she's grunting.:sad:


If you want a "quiet" afternoon in the sun, go for croquet or a quilting circle on the front lawn.
Oh that's the point!:yeah:

and if you want to hear shrieks for 2 hours, watch a porn.
So do watch it. Every time you see de Brito in the OOP just watch a porn instead. At least at the moment her grunts aren't forcing people to do crimes to smth like.:lol:

youizahoe
Jun 20th, 2009, 11:00 PM
Brittish people don't boo, simply because the crowd in general is older, more mature and educated than the French crowd. 9/10 of the boos during Roland Garros are made by French teenagers, it's always confirmed when they zoom in on the people that are booing.

There's a reason why Wimbledon is the most liked by any player and the French is hardly broadcasted or liked among players (unless they win it, but it's just to please the crowd, or unless ur french).

youizahoe
Jun 20th, 2009, 11:02 PM
Also, tennis academies teach players to exhale while hitting the shot, and when you are fighting for a point it's complately natural that a grunt will come out, and when you learn it when ur young, it's quite hard to lose it, you can minimize it, but not get rid of it.

It's time to move on, she'll always have that grunt, and it's her right as a human to grunt.

youizahoe
Jun 20th, 2009, 11:05 PM
:help: (but I can't say I'm surprised...)

it's normal that I wouldn't, because the intensity with grunts is already saddening, take out the grunts and you have a boring match. Grunts give players adrealine to make those huge shots.

If you look at the best points made, you'll see that most of them came combined with a grunt.

Shvedbarilescu
Jun 20th, 2009, 11:07 PM
it's normal that I wouldn't, because the intensity with grunts is already saddening, take out the grunts and you have a boring match. Grunts give players adrealine to make those huge shots.

If you look at the best points made, you'll see that most of them came combined with a grunt.

Speak for yourself. I very much doubt most of my alltime favourite shots came with grunts. :shrug:

hingisGOAT
Jun 20th, 2009, 11:14 PM
I mean how can anyone who is a fan of Seles, Sharapova, Williamsx2, etc. even BEGIN to complain about MLDB? Those girls have screamed louder and more obnoxiously in GRAND SLAM FINALS, SEMIFINALS, ETC. than any man or woman in the history of the sport. Give the 16 year old player, who is at this point totally unproven, some slack. The way people despise her and her grunts you would think she IS the next Seles, Sharapova, or Williams. ;) Maybe that's why her haters are so vocal.

There is no way to quantify a fucking grunt, and differentiating between grunts/shrieks, decibal levels or whatever, is impossible.

Pathetic French crowd, pathetic caravane, retarded posters :weirdo:, this debate is literally decades old as this point.


I wish MLDB the best of luck, she has a lovely game with some seriously good racquet-head speed and technique, I hope she continues to piss people off

akosijepoy
Jun 20th, 2009, 11:20 PM
i saw her doubles match and she barely grunt there...hmnnn..

perseus2006
Jun 20th, 2009, 11:28 PM
I think I can hear where you are coming here. It is time tennis entered the high octane excitement level of great sports like wrestling and boxing and football. Noise is good. It adds to the excitement and energy of the sport. Well surely then, with this in mind you would have no objections at all to a boisterous rowdy crowd expressing themselves by booing Larcher De Brito if they felt so inclined. You certainly don't sound like someone who expects crowds to act in a quiet repressed way now, do you?


I was thinking more of the NBA basketball atmosphere.

In any case, I would not have an objection at all! It would add to the excitement and energy and appeal of the sport. Once this happened a time or two, the athletes would just tune it out. MLB has sort of asked for it in this case, lets see her learn to deal with it.

For example, examine the effect of the "boisterous rowdy" Israeli crowd during the infamous Fed Cup tie in Israel: it did nothing but fire AChak up! In fact, that may have been the last truly good match the girl played!!!

I am also reminded of a match with Safin, I think it was, who was getting grief from the crowd for on court behavior: cursing, breaking racquets, hitting balls into the crowd... After the match he was asked if the antagonistic crowd bothered him. His answer was like: "Oh, I thought they were cheering for me!"

WhatTheDeuce
Jun 21st, 2009, 12:21 AM
ďIím not the first one to shout on court. Weíve had Monica (Seles), Sharapova, Azarenka. Iím not the only one who does it. Maybe Iím just a little bit louder than them...
LOL.

Volcana
Jun 21st, 2009, 12:51 AM
They aren't boo-ing her. They're sobbing in pain becasue their eardrums are bleeding.

Volcana
Jun 21st, 2009, 12:54 AM
If I were her opponent, I'd complain to the chair umpire after the very first point. And after the second point, I'd call for the Tournament Referee.

Well, I guess I'd wait for her to make noise first.:)

Dave.
Jun 21st, 2009, 12:58 AM
She won an exho in Liverpool. Is it a suburb of Eastbourne?


I meant that the Eastbourne crowd, who have never been known to boo, just did to Bartoli a couple of days ago, so the same could happen at Wimbledon for whatever reason. I know where Liverpool is thank you.

Ryan
Jun 21st, 2009, 01:11 AM
I mean how can anyone who is a fan of Seles, Sharapova, Williamsx2, etc. even BEGIN to complain about MLDB? Those girls have screamed louder and more obnoxiously in GRAND SLAM FINALS, SEMIFINALS, ETC. than any man or woman in the history of the sport. Give the 16 year old player, who is at this point totally unproven, some slack. The way people despise her and her grunts you would think she IS the next Seles, Sharapova, or Williams. ;) Maybe that's why her haters are so vocal.

There is no way to quantify a fucking grunt, and differentiating between grunts/shrieks, decibal levels or whatever, is impossible.

Pathetic French crowd, pathetic caravane, retarded posters :weirdo:, this debate is literally decades old as this point.


I wish MLDB the best of luck, she has a lovely game with some seriously good racquet-head speed and technique, I hope she continues to piss people off



This is the stupidest thing you've posted. :o

1. MLDB does grunt louder, and longer, than Sharapova/Williams/Seles. If you think she doesn't, you're just being obtuse.
2. What does her being "unproven" have to do with anything?

Ryan
Jun 21st, 2009, 01:12 AM
it's normal that I wouldn't, because the intensity with grunts is already saddening, take out the grunts and you have a boring match. Grunts give players adrealine to make those huge shots.

If you look at the best points made, you'll see that most of them came combined with a grunt.



How on earth did you come up with this? :banghead:

perseus2006
Jun 21st, 2009, 01:19 AM
How on earth did you come up with this? :banghead:

I believe MashaRena came up with it by actually watching some tennis matches. Try it, you might like it!

Ryan
Jun 21st, 2009, 01:20 AM
I believe MashaRena came up with it by actually watching some tennis matches. Try it, you might like it!



I'm sorry, so no grunting=no good shots, no good matches? That's just pure idiocy. Maybe YOU should try watching some tennis.

Amukinado
Jun 21st, 2009, 01:22 AM
Supporting Martina Hingis 100% in her fight against cocaine allegations!

Obtuse, you say?

faboozadoo15
Jun 21st, 2009, 01:23 AM
Sorry, I'm watching youtube clips of MLDB against Zheng, and I REALLY don't see what all the fuss is about. Maybe I have to experience it in person or something...

Other than a few cannon shots against Kuznetsova and Rezai, I haven't heard any noteworthy grunts from her. :sad:
I want in on the drama...

Amukinado
Jun 21st, 2009, 01:25 AM
I'm sorry, so no grunting=no good shots, no good matches? That's just pure idiocy. Maybe YOU should try watching some tennis.

Grunts = no good shots, no good matches? You care to much about the grunts and to less about the game.

homogenius
Jun 21st, 2009, 01:26 AM
I believe MashaRena came up with it by actually watching some tennis matches. Try it, you might like it!

Actually no.masharena came up with this cause he supposedly read some "scientific studies" proving that grunts increase adrenaline and therefore makes you hit better groundstrokes (I sum it up but I'm sure he'll be kind enough to explain it to you with much more details).

Anyway, I realized my mistake : you two were right.Forget the technique, fitness, tactical aspect etc... Tennis is all grunts.In fact, if you are not able to grunt or shriek, you have no chance to be competitive :sobbing:

Amukinado
Jun 21st, 2009, 01:27 AM
Sorry, I'm watching youtube clips of MLDB against Zheng, and I REALLY don't see what all the fuss is about. Maybe I have to experience it in person or something...


Try to watch careful her game, see the players she already won, then go and see her age. The fuss has all to do with that.

Amukinado
Jun 21st, 2009, 01:31 AM
Actually no.masharena came up with this cause he supposedly read some "scientific studies" proving that grunts increase adrenaline and therefore makes you hit better groundstrokes (I sum it up but I'm sure he'll be kind enough to explain it to you with much more details).

Anyway, I realized my mistake : you two were right.Forget the technique, fitness, tactical aspect etc... Tennis is all grunts.In fact, if you are not able to grunt or shriek, you have no chance to be competitive :sobbing:

How much did you talk about Michelle's fitness, technique, tactical aspect etc...?

perseus2006
Jun 21st, 2009, 01:31 AM
I'm sorry, so no grunting=no good shots, no good matches? That's just pure idiocy. Maybe YOU should try watching some tennis.

no grunting=no good shots is not what was said.

I like the shrieking. It adds excitement to matches. There's nothing I like better in tennis than a shriekfest. Different strokes...

homogenius
Jun 21st, 2009, 01:37 AM
How much did you talk about Michelle's fitness, technique, tactical aspect etc...?

mmm don't want to be rude, but try to read the thread carefullycause your posts make no sense (btw, FYI the poster you quoted before me was actually defending MLDB, saying he didn't really heard her grunting that muchg).

Melly Flew Us
Jun 21st, 2009, 01:39 AM
Obtuse, you say?that isn't an example of obtuseness, just total dedication and support; akin to that given by you and other shriekerlovers to mldb.

Amukinado
Jun 21st, 2009, 01:42 AM
mmm don't want to be rude, but try to read the thread carefullycause your posts make no sense (btw, FYI the poster you quoted before me was actually defending MLDB).

I don't want to be rude, but I never saw one word coming from you about Michelle's game and saw a lot about her gruntings. For someone who says tennis is not all about gruntings, you're the the one that's not making any sense.

And I know he was defending Michelle, thank you for stating the obvious.

Amukinado
Jun 21st, 2009, 01:44 AM
that isn't an example of obtuseness, just total dedication and support; akin to that given by you and other shriekerlovers to mldb.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but being obtuse doesn't mean denying the obvious?


I rest my case.

homogenius
Jun 21st, 2009, 01:49 AM
I don't want to be rude, but I never saw one word coming from you about Michelle's game and saw a lot about her gruntings. For someone who says tennis is not all about gruntings, you're the the one that's not making any sense.

And I know he was defending Michelle, thank you for stating the obvious.

This thread is about MLDB's interview pleading for the crowd not to boo her cause of her shrieks.Some like Masharena were saying that without the grunts tennis would have no interest (to sum it up)and that in order to play competitive tennis you HAVE to grunt.What you quoted was a response to that.
Your posts are just not related to the discussion (or to anything I must say) :weirdo:

Now if you want to discuss about MLDB's game and abilities, open a thread and I'll post in it :wavey:

Ryan
Jun 21st, 2009, 02:04 AM
Obtuse, you say?



WTF does this have to do with, uh, anything? :weirdo: Brilliant contribution.

Ryan
Jun 21st, 2009, 02:05 AM
I don't want to be rude, but I never saw one word coming from you about Michelle's game and saw a lot about her gruntings. For someone who says tennis is not all about gruntings, you're the the one that's not making any sense.

And I know he was defending Michelle, thank you for stating the obvious.




Clearly the only reason you're even posting here is to defend a player from your country...how about you talk about TENNIS please, not nationalistic sympathies? :)

The point here is this thread is about GRUNTING. It's not about her strokes. It's about her shrieks.

Ryan
Jun 21st, 2009, 02:08 AM
no grunting=no good shots is not what was said.

I like the shrieking. It adds excitement to matches. There's nothing I like better in tennis than a shriekfest. Different strokes...


Are you kidding...

He said if you get rid of grunting, you have boring matches. That's pretty much exactly comparable to what I said.

I don't HATE grunting. I like Sharapova. I like Schiavone. I dislike MLDB's grunts because I feel they cross a line, and that they are not necessary for her to hit the ball. You can debate that no player needs to make grunts as loud as they do, but I clearly see MLDB's grunts as being louder, and less necessary than any other grunts. :shrug:


I don't want everyone to have tape over their mouth. I do think, however, that Michelle should be made to tone it down.

hingisGOAT
Jun 21st, 2009, 02:14 AM
This is the stupidest thing you've posted. :o

1. MLDB does grunt louder, and longer, than Sharapova/Williams/Seles. If you think she doesn't, you're just being obtuse.

I never said she does or doesn't :shrug: The point is that it doesn't matter! They're all annoying loud-mouths. It's impossible to "draw the line" in any meaningful way, so the discussion is pointless.

2. What does her being "unproven" have to do with anything?

She has yet to play one big match in her career and has already been the center of this controversy... it's ridiculous... can we at least wait until she accomplishes something before everyone hates on her? That such a low ranked teen is like the media star of the WTA right now shows how INCREDIBLY BORING it is at the top of the rankings :tape:

Melly Flew Us
Jun 21st, 2009, 02:22 AM
Correct me if I'm wrong, but being obtuse doesn't mean denying the obvious?


I rest my case.
have you deleted a couple of posts or something? your proofs of evidence are woefully sparse if you are trying to prove that ryan is either mentally slow or emotionally insensitive - the meaning of obtuse and obtuseness in uk english.

if you mean something different please elaborate.

youizahoe
Jun 21st, 2009, 02:27 AM
I believe MashaRena came up with it by actually watching some tennis matches. Try it, you might like it!

I'm sorry, so no grunting=no good shots, no good matches? That's just pure idiocy. Maybe YOU should try watching some tennis.

Actually no.masharena came up with this cause he supposedly read some "scientific studies" proving that grunts increase adrenaline and therefore makes you hit better groundstrokes (I sum it up but I'm sure he'll be kind enough to explain it to you with much more details).

Anyway, I realized my mistake : you two were right.Forget the technique, fitness, tactical aspect etc... Tennis is all grunts.In fact, if you are not able to grunt or shriek, you have no chance to be competitive :sobbing:

It's hard to read what it says lately. I'll explain myself:

Grunts can contribute in the greatness of shots, since when you grunt your body intensifies and releases adrenealine and can enhance your performance in a specific rally, to make those huge winners that you normally can't hit.

I didn't at any times say that no grunts = no tennis, cause I know tennis is completely possible with grunts. Also the grunts I refered in the GOAT rallies, aren't necessarily loud, but can also be soft grunts a la davenport.

youizahoe
Jun 21st, 2009, 02:30 AM
Are you kidding...

He said if you get rid of grunting, you have boring matches. That's pretty much exactly comparable to what I said.

I don't HATE grunting. I like Sharapova. I like Schiavone. I dislike MLDB's grunts because I feel they cross a line, and that they are not necessary for her to hit the ball. You can debate that no player needs to make grunts as loud as they do, but I clearly see MLDB's grunts as being louder, and less necessary than any other grunts. :shrug:


I don't want everyone to have tape over their mouth. I do think, however, that Michelle should be made to tone it down.

Well yeah that's my opinion, I and many other people think, grunting adds a missed dynamic to tennis. It makes the battles more catier and intense, once the sirens get going.

Watch a Sharapova match on mute, and you'll see it's less fun with the grunts. I do believe MLB grunts are a bit too much, but who are we to judge about it? Who is the ITF to say which grunt is too loud or not?

Ryan
Jun 21st, 2009, 02:31 AM
Correct me if I'm wrong, but being obtuse doesn't mean denying the obvious?


I rest my case.



You're wrong. :)


From Merriam-Webster:
"lacking sharpness or quickness of sensibility or intellect : insensitive, stupid b: difficult to comprehend : not clear or precise in thought or expression".

Ryan
Jun 21st, 2009, 02:33 AM
Well yeah that's my opinion, I and many other people think, grunting adds a missed dynamic to tennis. It makes the battles more catier and intense, once the sirens get going.

Watch a Sharapova match on mute, and you'll see it's less fun with the grunts. I do believe MLB grunts are a bit too much, but who are we to judge about it? Who is the ITF to say which grunt is too loud or not?



The ITF is the International Tennis Federation - how the hell are they NOT the ones to judge? :o I feel like I'm in an alternate reality here...there are hindrance rules for a reason. If a player says MLDB's grunts are hindering her play, that is completely valid and the umpire issues her a warning. The ITF obviously can't say "Michelle, you are not allowed to grunt" - but they CAN say that grunting will be dealt with more strictly from now on.

faboozadoo15
Jun 21st, 2009, 02:37 AM
Try to watch careful her game, see the players she already won, then go and see her age. The fuss has all to do with that.

I was talking about the grunting fuss. I can see she's got obvious talent.

youizahoe
Jun 21st, 2009, 02:37 AM
The ITF is the International Tennis Federation - how the hell are they NOT the ones to judge? :o I feel like I'm in an alternate reality here...there are hindrance rules for a reason. If a player says MLDB's grunts are hindering her play, that is completely valid and the umpire issues her a warning. The ITF obviously can't say "Michelle, you are not allowed to grunt" - but they CAN say that grunting will be dealt with more strictly from now on.

1) ITF isn't playing on the tour
2) ITF isn't the opponent facing the grunter
3) ITF isn't the whole tennis-fan-community

If all players would say, oh I hate grunting, and the fans then would say it's annoying, a rule would be relevant, but currently only 2 players ever complained officialy, so I think it's not necessary yet, plus everyone knows it's a cheap rule for the ITF to gain some extra money by penalties.

homogenius
Jun 21st, 2009, 02:43 AM
It's hard to read what it says lately. I'll explain myself:

Grunts can contribute in the greatness of shots, since when you grunt your body intensifies and releases adrenealine and can enhance your performance in a specific rally, to make those huge winners that you normally can't hit.

I didn't at any times say that no grunts = no tennis, cause I know tennis is completely possible with grunts. Also the grunts I refered in the GOAT rallies, aren't necessarily loud, but can also be soft grunts a la davenport.

You have softened up your theories since the last time I read you on this topic ;)
Anyway, all that is not really related to MLDB cause she doesn't grunt (be it soft or loud), she shrieks like a retard.
And her shrieks are everything but natural and rarely due to a huge effort (girl is shrieking before or way after she hit the ball at times :tape:, or for like 10 good sec etc...)so...

youizahoe
Jun 21st, 2009, 02:45 AM
You have softened up your theories since the last time I read you on this topic ;)
Anyway, all that is not really related to MLDB cause she doesn't grunt (be it soft or loud), she shrieks like a retard.
And her shrieks are everything but natural and rarely due to a huge effort (girl is shrieking before or way after she hit the ball at times :tape:, or for like 10 good sec etc...)so...

I didn't soften up, I was thinking that at the beginning, but I misstyped it.

Well yeah, it doesn't matter what we think, she won't change, and I don't think the WTA will ever put a measurement on shrieking or grunting, the ITF might, but they won't be able to use their rule.

drake3781
Jun 21st, 2009, 05:15 AM
What is she trying to do with that interview? justify her irritating shrieking? be respectful to people and they'll respect you :rolleyes:


She's using the 'I'm vulnerable' approach to soften the public up, seems fair enough.

If she's a fierce competitor on court it'll be hard to sell for long though.

Yes, this was my first thought - she is going on the offensive to try to get her so-called "grunt" accepted. :rolleyes:


To clarify one or two things : I'm not a porn expert and I don't go on porn forums (who does that ?:unsure: you ?).

Clearly you missed the point : I'm not against shrieks of any kind but there are some places where they're more appropriate than in others (like porn, got it now ?).I'm all for seeing players giving all they have on a court but the shrieks of Maria, Azarenka or De Brito are NOT part of it.They can play perfectly well without that (they prove it in the past)and most of the time use it as a tactical weapon.
And I don't want players to be totally quiet, but there's a difference between grunting cause you're making an effort and De Brito's shrieks which sound like we're cutting the throat of a sheep.


ITA.

......... and it's her right as a human to grunt.

:o


If I were her opponent, I'd complain to the chair umpire after the very first point. And after the second point, I'd call for the Tournament Referee.

............

Me too.


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There is no way to quantify a fucking grunt, and differentiating between grunts/shrieks, decibal levels or whatever, is impossible.

..............

Wrong.