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Cp6uja
Jun 20th, 2009, 12:21 AM
GS/09 Defending Champions Curse

So far this season is worst nightmare for all Grand Slam defending champions, especially in terms of health on tournaments where they defending major title... so far of 5 last seasons GS Defending champions only one reach Quarterfinal this season, but even he must to retire in that round so R16 is last match which 2008 defending GS champions completed this season when defend theirs major titles!

Australian Open 2008 ATP Champion Novak Djokovic retire in QF round of 2009 Australian Open. [several health problems]
Australian Open 2008 WTA Champion Maria Sharapova withdraws from 2009 Australian Open. [shoulder injury]
Roland Garros 2008 ATP Champion Rafael Nadal lose French Open 2009 R16 match. [has knee problems]
Roland Garros 2008 WTA Champion Ana Ivanovic lose French Open 2009 R16 match. [has knee problems]
Wimbledon 2008 ATP Champion Rafael Nadal withdraws from 2009 Wimbledon 2009. [knee injury]
Wimbledon 2008 WTA Champion Venus Ebony Starr Williams... :confused: :confused: :confused: :scared: :help: :scared: :help: :scared: :help:

Venus Williams is probably WTA Grasscourt GOAT and traditionally only her problems with health (or with sister) is able to prevent her winning Wimbledon title. For example since 2004 she lose just two single matches in London and both time upset is happen against some Balkan-Girl during week-1 (Sprem/04 and Jankovic/06) just because problems with injury. I notice in her 1/8 of 2009 draw some Balkan Girls (Jelena Dokic for example) :help: :tape:

Sorry if I accidentally scared with this thread some Venus fans (which mostly right now already thinking just about "upcoming" All-Williams Wim/09 final), but when Nadal today decide to withdraw this officially becoming an 2009 defending champions curse and we all know how big history with injuries Venus has in past :sad: . So talking honestly I'm now very concerned about potential fatal Round of 16 Venus match :help: :tape:

Are You worry too???


EDIT: QuarterRena Syndrome
Serena Williams obviously has some very specific way of playing at GS majors (which works very well) playing on pretty high level 1st week, and playing personal best on last two rounds (semifinals and Finals). So her lowest point traditionally is start of 2nd week... Quarterfinal round, from where coming 10 of her 19 XXI century GS loses, more than in all other rounds together (1,2,3,4,SF,F)! Even if we add her GS results before 2001 it's simple amazing how she looks vulnerable at Quarterfinals and how strong in all other rounds:

Round1: 38-0 100.0%
Round2: 37-1 97.4%
Round3: 30-7 81.1%
Round4: 26-4 86.7%
QF: 15-11 57.7%
SF: 13-2 86.7%
Finals: 10-3 76.9%


So no doubt that for Serena worst draw option is to have hard opponent in QF Round. She is 2nd Seed, so if we look all non-TOP4 Wimbledon 2009 players most dangerous ATM seems Maria Sharapova and Victoria Azarenka (according to experts and bookmakers)... and guess what??? Serena will face in QF round winner of Sharapova/Azarenka R16 match :tape:

Craig.
Jun 20th, 2009, 12:25 AM
Yes, she'll lose to Ivanovic.

Cp6uja
Jun 20th, 2009, 12:31 AM
Yes, she'll lose to Ivanovic.So You think this fatal Defending Champions 2009 Curse will works once again :confused:

Craig.
Jun 20th, 2009, 12:33 AM
So You think this fatal Defending Champions 2009 Curse will works once again :confused:

Yes.

Bijoux0021
Jun 20th, 2009, 12:34 AM
Sorry if I accidentally scared with this thread some Venus fans (which mostly right now thinking about upcoming All-Williams Wim/09 final), but when Nadal today decide to withdraw this officially becoming an 2009 defending champions curse and we all know how big history with injuries during career Venus has. So talking honestly I'm now very concerned about potential fatal Round of 16 Venus match :help: :tape:

Are You worry too???
Are you hoping Venus gets injured? It's really sad if this is the only way you can see Ivanovic winning.:o

Zweli
Jun 20th, 2009, 12:45 AM
Venus Will Be Fine,remember This Is Grass And She Is Healthy Right Now

ikarinokami
Jun 20th, 2009, 12:47 AM
if venus is healthy there is no way she is losing to ivanovic.

spiritedenergy
Jun 20th, 2009, 12:48 AM
:help:

In The Zone
Jun 20th, 2009, 12:48 AM
Yes.

Cp6uja
Jun 20th, 2009, 01:06 AM
Are you hoping Venus gets injured? It's really sad if this is the only way you can see Ivanovic winning.:oLast season we have very strange WTA fatal #1 curse (see what happen with Henin, Sharapova, Ivanovic and Serena since first week in 2008 when they are on TOP spot.

This thread is about 2009 Tennis curse with defending champions disasters (including ATP part) where nobody so far not finish QF round match... so will Venus be first who will finally broke that curse?

Also talking about WTA Grand Slam curses i must to remind all of You that after epic Wimbledon 2005 final we have in WTA "One-Seeded Final" Curse - 15 WTA GS finals in the row with straight sets wins :help:!

BTW this thread is about Venus and potential danger for her to continue this awful 2009 GS curse losing too early... not about any other player (or at least not before August when Serena Williams and Roger Federer will try to escape this fatal curse during US Open) :shrug:.

if venus is healthy there is no way she is losing to ivanovic.Not only Ivanovic - probably no women in the world who can do that (except maybe Serena)... but same thing we must to say for example about Rafael Nadal at Roland Garros - and look what happen... it's Curse :scared: :scared:

Did You forget what happen with all WTA#1 last season (Justine, Maria, Ana, Serena) till Jelena Jankovic in late september finally start to shows some results.

Wiggly
Jun 20th, 2009, 01:18 AM
The only thing that will be injuried is Ana's ego when Venus will destroys her. And that's only if the Serbian is able to survive the first 3 rounds. :tape:

KournikovaFan91
Jun 20th, 2009, 01:19 AM
Venus will destroy Ana if Ana can even make it to that round.

gmokb
Jun 20th, 2009, 01:50 AM
I am getting a bit worried myself. There is so much pressure on her, going for her sixth and third consecutive. I was this nervous last year when Roger was going for it and look what happened. I just hope she does lose in the first week.

Horizon
Jun 20th, 2009, 01:57 AM
I just realised Venus' round of 16 is agaisnt Ana.

Sorry :angel:

InsideOut.
Jun 20th, 2009, 01:59 AM
OMG I love how you're doing it again...like that RG stuff last year about 'big forehands', 'good showing in Berlin and tanking in Rome' :rolls: Putting Dokic in there was just a stroke of genius. :haha: I don't think Ana will get past Venus if Ana even manages to get there though.

Cp6uja
Jun 21st, 2009, 02:44 PM
If I must to bet - I will put all my money on Wimbledon 2009 All-Williams final... BUT... all this facts about this strange 2009 defending champions curse should warning Venus fans, especially because she has long history of health problems before. Also Serena fans has some reasons to worry. Remember that Serena is traditionally by far most vulnerable at slams in Quarterfinal Round! More than half of all Serena Williams Grand Slams loses in this century coming from that for Serena fatal QF round and thanks to draw she must to face 2009 Wimbledon 3rd experts and bookmakers favorite Maria Sharapova!

So Williams sisters has all right to be very confident before upcoming Wimbledon... but also has some reasons to worry.

youizahoe
Jun 21st, 2009, 02:49 PM
lol

youizahoe
Jun 21st, 2009, 02:52 PM
If I must to bet - I will put all my money on Wimbledon 2009 All-Williams final... BUT... all this facts about this strange 2009 defending champions curse should warning Venus fans, especially because she has long history of health problems before. Also Serena fans has some reasons to worry. Remember that Serena is traditionally by far most vulnerable at slams in Quarterfinal Round! More than half of all Serena Williams Grand Slams loses in this century coming from that for Serena fatal QF round and thanks to draw she must to face 2009 Wimbledon 3rd experts and bookmakers favorite Maria Sharapova!

So Williams sisters has all right to be very confident before upcoming Wimbledon... but also has some reasons to worry.

Sharapova is talented, but I don't see her doing much damage against Serena. Serena will most likely fire sharapova away, certainly with her weak service atm :(

friendsita
Jun 21st, 2009, 02:56 PM
she will win the last saturday

Leo_DFP
Jun 21st, 2009, 03:46 PM
"Australian Open 2008 ATP Champion Novak Djokovic retire in QF round of 2009 Australian Open. [several health problems]"

:lol: @ Djokovic having severe health problems.

Knizzle
Jun 21st, 2009, 03:51 PM
"Australian Open 2008 ATP Champion Novak Djokovic retire in QF round of 2009 Australian Open. [several health problems]"

:lol: @ Djokovic having severe health problems.It says "several".

homogenius
Jun 21st, 2009, 04:08 PM
"Australian Open 2008 ATP Champion Novak Djokovic retire in QF round of 2009 Australian Open. [several health problems]"

:lol: @ Djokovic having severe health problems.

http://yelims3.free.fr/Hein/Hein27.gif

Cp6uja
Jun 21st, 2009, 04:20 PM
Sharapova is talented, but I don't see her doing much damage against Serena. Serena will most likely fire sharapova away, certainly with her weak service atm :(I'm not sure that You are properly understand this part about Serena.

Serena Williams obviously has some very specific way of playing at GS majors (which works very well) playing on pretty high level 1st week, and playing personal best on last two rounds (semifinals and Finals). So her lowest point traditionally is start of 2nd week... Quarterfinal round, from where coming 10 of her 19 XXI century GS loses, more than in all other rounds together (1,2,3,4,SF,F)! Even if we add her GS results before 2001 it's simple amazing how she looks vulnerable at Quarterfinals and how strong in all other rounds:

Round1: 38-0 100.0%
Round2: 37-1 97.4%
Round3: 30-7 81.1%
Round4: 26-4 86.7%
QF: 15-11 57.7%
SF: 13-2 86.7%
Finals: 10-3 76.9%


So no doubt that for Serena worst draw option is to have hard opponent in QF Round. She is 2nd Seed, so if we look all non-TOP4 Wimbledon 2009 players most dangerous ATM seems Maria Sharapova and Victoria Azarenka (according to experts and bookmakers)... and guess what??? Serena will face in QF round winner of Sharapova/Azarenka R16 match :tape:

Leo_DFP
Jun 21st, 2009, 04:22 PM
It says "several".

Ooops. Note to self: Don't try to read anything within first 5 minutes of waking.

Having said that, what several health problems did he have? Djokovic is just a whiner and excuse-maker. His loss doesn't fit the trend because he was simply outclassed and outlasted on a hot day in Oz by a better opponent in Andy Roddick. So I don't see any pattern that Venus needs to worry about.

HippityHop
Jun 21st, 2009, 04:24 PM
Who on earth (with a life :devil:) has time to sit down and figure this crap out? :rolleyes:

Leo_DFP
Jun 21st, 2009, 04:25 PM
[/code]So no doubt that for Serena worst draw option is to have hard opponent in QF Round. She is 2nd Seed, so if we look all non-TOP4 Wimbledon 2009 players most dangerous ATM seems Maria Sharapova and Victoria Azarenka (according to experts and bookmakers)... and guess what??? Serena will face in QF round winner of Sharapova/Azarenka R16 match :tape:

I think Azarenka is a legitimate concern for Serena, more so than Sharapova. I could see Azarenka going through to the final if Serena is not totally focused.

Destiny
Jun 21st, 2009, 04:25 PM
:sobbing: Oh no

Chunchun
Jun 21st, 2009, 04:29 PM
Ana Ivanovic is the favourite for Wimbledon!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111 Fuck you.

vwfan
Jun 21st, 2009, 06:11 PM
It will be VERY tough for Venus to win Wimbledon. The odds are against her, as dominate as she is on grass and at Wimbledon. there is a reason why few players have been able to win Wimbledon three consecutive times.

Only Martina and Steffi have done it in the Open Era. Venus didn't do it on her first attempt losing to Serena in straight sets in 2002 and Serena didn't do it either and lost surprisingly to Maria in 2004. It is tough to do.

That said, Venus Williams has made history at Wimbledon before:


fastest serve in the tournament history (129 MPH against S. Williams in final 2008)
lowest seed ever to win the tournament (23rd seed in 2007)
first women player to receive equal prize money (Champion 2007)
one of the few (don't know number) to come from Championship point down and win the match (Final 2005)
played and won the longest women's final in the history of the tournament (Final 2005)

I hope she can do it. It will be tough, not because she isn't capable, but because it is rare for a reason. But if she has set her mind to it, everyone should WATCH OUT!

Beat the odds again Venus! :worship:

Cp6uja
Jun 21st, 2009, 08:17 PM
I'm decided to change this thread title and to add in the opening post part about Serena career's GS QF problems, so this thread is now actually about chances and potential reasons which will prevent All-Williams Wimbledon/09 final (not only about Venus chances to reach 6th title).

young_gunner913
Jun 21st, 2009, 08:36 PM
Venus could beat Ana on one leg, with one hand tied behind her back and a pirates patch over one eye.

TheBoiledEgg
Jun 21st, 2009, 08:45 PM
"Australian Open 2008 ATP Champion Novak Djokovic retire in QF round of 2009 Australian Open. [several health problems]"

:lol: @ Djokovic having severe health problems.

yes fake ones :lol::tape::tape::tape::tape:

Cp6uja
Jun 21st, 2009, 09:14 PM
Venus could beat Ana on one leg, with one hand tied behind her back and a pirates patch over one eye.Yeah!? And I think even Stosur or Dokic will be enough if Venus is not at least 85% ready.

I see You forget that when Venus played injured in Wimbledon, out of TOP20 Sprem (2004) and out of TOP20 Jankovic (2006) send her home already during week-1. Nadal beat Soderling at red clay 6-1 6-0 just month before RG sensational upset, and what is happen when he has pain in knee's during RG?

But we will see already in Tuesday Venus body language and for Serena must simple wait that Quarterfinal.

VishaalMaria
Jun 21st, 2009, 09:23 PM
If Venus is playing well, at about 70% then she will win. No facts or odds are going to change that.

vwfan
Jun 21st, 2009, 09:24 PM
Venus could beat Ana on one leg, with one hand tied behind her back and a pirates patch over one eye.well not quite. :o but Venus is not a good matchup for Ana.

still, Ana beat Venus in Aus Open qf and I thought a Venus win was inevitable then too.

VishaalMaria
Jun 21st, 2009, 09:26 PM
Yeah!? And I think even Stosur or Dokic will be enough if Venus is not at least 85% ready.

I see You forget that when Venus played injured in Wimbledon, out of TOP20 Sprem (2004) and out of TOP20 Jankovic (2006) send her home already during week-1. Nadal beat Soderling at red clay 6-1 6-0 just month before RG sensational upset, and what is happen when he has pain in knee's during RG?

But we will see already in Tuesday Venus body language and for Serena must simple wait that Quarterfinal.

:tape::tape::tape:

Venus at 85% would beat Stosur and Dokic 6-0 6-0 respectively.

bandabou
Jun 21st, 2009, 09:42 PM
Sharapova/Azarenka for Serena?! :scared:

AnnaK_4ever
Jun 21st, 2009, 09:45 PM
Ivanovic v Jankovic final is inevitable.
Djokovic is gonna tear the field apart on the men' side.

spiritedenergy
Jun 21st, 2009, 09:51 PM
i played tarots and this card appeared:

http://predire.vos.it/cartomanzia/stelle.jpg

:drool:

Uranus
Jun 21st, 2009, 10:32 PM
Another endless post with meaningless statistics from Cp6uja :yawn:.

Cp6uja
Jun 22nd, 2009, 12:10 AM
Another endless post with meaningless statistics from Cp6uja :yawn:.First Round of Grand Slam tournament produce more tennis matches than any other days in calender so I can't wait to see tomorrow one of Yours famous superexciting
Player A def. Player B 6-? 6-? threads :bounce:

Cp6uja
Jun 27th, 2009, 04:55 PM
Venus today won her Wimbledon's 28th straight set since 2007... But that bandage over her leg are really huge :eek: Seems that Ana Ivanovic finally regroup here in last moment and will be very dangerous opponent if Venus really has knee problems...

Maria Sharapova early upset means nothing to Serena if she again in her career display worst GS performance in Quarterfinal round, because in-form Azarenka which showed this season in Melbourne and Miami that will not be afraid to beat Serena if she give her opportunity is enough danger!


So what You think now... will Venus be first defending champion in this season which survive "2009 Defending Champion Curse" after all that Nadal (twice), Sharapova, Djokovic and Ivanovic disasters???

Will QF round be once again fatal for Serena?

LCS
Jun 27th, 2009, 04:59 PM
Quarterena might strike again...Azarenka looming ahead...

Knizzle
Jun 28th, 2009, 01:35 AM
Venus today won her Wimbledon's 28th straight set since 2007... But that bandage over her leg are really huge :eek: Seems that Ana Ivanovic finally regroup here in last moment and will be very dangerous opponent if Venus really has knee problems...

Maria Sharapova early upset means nothing to Serena if she again in her career display worst GS performance in Quarterfinal round, because in-form Azarenka which showed this season in Melbourne and Miami that will not be afraid to beat Serena if she give her opportunity is enough danger!


So what You think now... will Venus be first defending champion in this season which survive "2009 Defending Champion Curse" after all that Nadal (twice), Sharapova, Djokovic and Ivanovic disasters???

Will QF round be once again fatal for Serena?29th!

goldenboi356
Jun 28th, 2009, 01:59 AM
All I'm saying is that I won't be surprised that venus falls like rafa at RG--he was supposed to win this every year until 20... Serena, I don't know.

Knizzle
Jun 28th, 2009, 02:02 AM
All I'm saying is that I won't be surprised that venus falls like rafa at RG--he was supposed to win this every year until 20... Serena, I don't know.Nadal was playing a player who could serve and hit harder than he could, Venus is not and won't be until potentially the final.

Knizzle
Jun 28th, 2009, 02:05 AM
And for the OP, I guess Serena gets the Quarterena title only because every other round is sparkling. Otherwise we should be saying Quartervee

ys
Jun 28th, 2009, 02:06 AM
Seriously, Venus is human, she can lose. But if things go as they should, the only player who can threaten her is another Williams. I'd really love one of my Russian babes to win it.. But looking realistically at the whole thing, I am well mentally prepared to start cheering for my favourite non-Russian player - Venus, that is.. :)

Cp6uja
Jun 30th, 2009, 05:08 PM
Venus Williams was bageled in 2nd set of R16 against Ana Ivanovic :p:devil:, but at end of (Yester)day and (To)day she quite impressive broke Djokovic/Sharapova/Nadal/Ivanovic/Nadal "GS/09 Defending Champions Curse" reaching at least Wimbledon SF round... and also Serena survive her traditionally worst GS Quarterfinal round with impressive win against Azarenka.

Uranium
Jun 30th, 2009, 05:09 PM
Venus Williams was bageled in 2nd set of R16 against Ana Ivanovic :p:devil:, but at end of (Yester)day and (To)day she quite impressive broke Djokovic/Sharapova/Nadal/Ivanovic/Nadal "GS/09 Defending Champions Curse" reaching at least Wimbledon SF round... and also Serena survive her traditionally worst GS Quarterfinal round with impressive win against Azarenka.

:weirdo:

Atleast Venus broke that dreadful defending champion losing in Round of 16 curse.

gmokb
Jun 30th, 2009, 05:26 PM
Both in the semis:bounce:

SAEKeithSerena
Jun 30th, 2009, 06:15 PM
go serena!

Miss Atomic Bomb
Jun 30th, 2009, 07:28 PM
Venus Williams was bageled in 2nd set of R16 against Ana Ivanovic :p:devil:, but at end of (Yester)day and (To)day she quite impressive broke Djokovic/Sharapova/Nadal/Ivanovic/Nadal "GS/09 Defending Champions Curse" reaching at least Wimbledon SF round... and also Serena survive her traditionally worst GS Quarterfinal round with impressive win against Azarenka.

You mean Ana got breadsticked in both the sets right?