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Steadyniacki
Jun 20th, 2009, 01:09 AM
This has become a pretty heated subject.

On one side, Marion is being ridiculed for not shaking Virginie's Hand. Although there has been a long history between these two, were many unnecessary and hurtful comments have came out of Virginie's mouth, some of which were the day before the match.

On the other side, Virginie has just won and traditionally come over to bartoli to shake her hand, Marion refused. Virginie has never had a good relationship with Marion as Marion has not played fed cup for many years and is somewhat segregated from French tennis.

Dawson.
Jun 20th, 2009, 01:15 AM
Players should always shake hands after the match. It doesn't have to be an ATP embrace, no rubbing of the stomach or patting of the ass, just a quick hand shake will do - you don't even have to look your opponent in the eye - but it's just the moral thing to do.

Zweli
Jun 20th, 2009, 01:53 AM
It was strange,I must say,Marion should have shaken Razzano's hand despite their ill-feelings for the sake of sportsmanship,too bad she didn't.

Steadyniacki
Jun 20th, 2009, 08:31 AM
this isn't the first time this has happened

Vaidisova Ruled
Jun 20th, 2009, 08:33 AM
No, Virginie is a non interesting bitch, and hypocrit.
Yesterday, she just came to shake Marion's hand in order to show the public that she is "a nice girl", but she isn't. And she was happy with how the things went.

However, it's true that it's bad sportsmanship from Marion, but I don't find it bad that she didn't.

Myggen
Jun 20th, 2009, 08:35 AM
Not very surprising, really. We are talking about Bartoli. Being a good sport is just not her game.

Steadyniacki
Jun 20th, 2009, 08:40 AM
Marion has tried to make friends with most of the french players, but as she was not allowed to train with the french tennis association, most of the french players conformed to french tennis officals views, which were to segregate marion until she conformed (i.e. ditched her father.) Marion has still tried to be friends with french players, but they have thrown it back in her face, with this and Razzano's comments, why should she shake the obviously fake hand of Razzano.

Nalla
Jun 20th, 2009, 08:41 AM
Yes, she should . Playing tennis is her job. You don't have to like every aspect of your job, but you have to be a professional. She's not five.. is she? :rolleyes:
Very rude.

yoshi23
Jun 20th, 2009, 09:02 AM
Oh no! Someone was unsportsmanlike? Say it ain't so!

Not a big deal. Two players who obviously don't like each other. Razzano made disrespectful comments about Bartoli before the match. So I don't blame Bartoli for not shaking her "fake" hand. I agree completely with Vaidisova Rules. Razzano wanted to look like "a nice girl". Bartoli took it as taunting.

Sets up for a dramatic rematch though...

FFS
Jun 20th, 2009, 09:29 AM
yesterday in the press conference in french, Marion was so upset by Virginie words and cried.

Adal
Jun 20th, 2009, 09:41 AM
No. Drama is good.

scheele
Jun 20th, 2009, 10:19 AM
yes. its only a handshake.

дalex
Jun 20th, 2009, 10:48 AM
Maybe she should have only to not look rude in front of the people watching, but it's her choice and I don't have a problem with it. This is how she felt and she made it clear. I like that no-nonsense attitude.

So, I voted NO.

Adrian1092
Jun 20th, 2009, 10:55 AM
Marion, you go girl :rocker:

Sharapower
Jun 20th, 2009, 11:09 AM
How come this thread not locked yet? :p

thrust
Jun 20th, 2009, 11:10 AM
Marion should have ditched her father, years ago. He may be responsible for some of her success, but I think he is responsible for many of her injures and emotional state. Not a healthy relationship, IMO.

Steadyniacki
Jun 20th, 2009, 11:32 AM
Marion should have ditched her father, years ago. He may be responsible for some of her success, but I think he is responsible for many of her injures and emotional state. Not a healthy relationship, IMO.

How can he be responsible for her injuries, you do know he is a doctor

Uranus
Jun 20th, 2009, 11:48 AM
Lol @ those trying to defend Bartoli. She should have shaken Razzano's hand, it's her job. The latter was not fake, she was just doing what she is supposed to.

Anyway, the girls have been known for not being the nicest in the past.

Lennval
Jun 20th, 2009, 01:43 PM
i love drama, but this is not a fair play's example, so, yes, she should have shook her

alansw19
Jun 20th, 2009, 04:04 PM
Marion should have shaken hands. Tennis players are professionals and should behave as such (aka leave personal grudges off court) and at least civil to each other on court.

This type of behaviour (lack of 'sportswomanship) on court is both childish and unacceptable. Total lack of maturity.

danieln1
Jun 20th, 2009, 05:07 PM
No, she was a hypocrite and made bitchy comments about Marion, she was right this time...

thrust
Jun 20th, 2009, 05:18 PM
Marion should have ditched her father, years ago. He may be responsible for some of her success, but I think he is responsible for many of her injures and emotional state. Not a healthy relationship, IMO.

Some commentators have describe some of the exercises he has her do that are very unorthodox, which they thought could do Marion more harm than good. Very few serous doctors would give up medicine to become his daughter's tennis trainer and coach.

bandabou
Jun 20th, 2009, 05:21 PM
You always shook hands. Otherwise you're no better than Lebron James.

homogenius
Jun 20th, 2009, 05:33 PM
Some commentators have describe some of the exercises he has her do that are very unorthodox, which they thought could do Marion more harm than good. Very few serous doctors would give up medicine to become his daughter's tennis trainer and coach.

Well talking strictly about tennis, as a coach he succeed.On another level, the fusionnal duo with Marion is kinda creepy (as creepy as Mommy Vera/Lena relationship).

terjw
Jun 20th, 2009, 06:50 PM
I think both Marion against Virgine and also Chaky aganst Marion in R2 actually turned people against them by refusing to shake hands (although Marion's refusal was watched by more people on Centre Court and televised and there's little or no debate when Chaky refused to shake hands). They both obviously felt so strongly that they wanted to make a point. But I think they both lost some of the moral high ground when they did that.

I'm not voting. I think Marion should have given a handshake. But I'm not prepared to label her a bitch as stated in that option.

simonsaystennis
Jun 20th, 2009, 07:02 PM
I'm a fan of Marion. I do think it was rude of her not to shake her hand. If Razzano would have said/done something offensive to Marion during the match, then I would definitely support not shaking her hand, however this was not the case. In my opinion, Serena had more of a right to not shake Martinez Sanchez's hand for her blatant cheating, but she did anyway because that's just what you do. Marion came off as a poor sport and it's disappointing.

serenus_2k8
Jun 20th, 2009, 07:27 PM
No, how dare VR publicly embarass Bartoli in front of a crowd. She is just a nobody that clearly cant stand Bartoli is the more talented player.

Sally Struthers
Jun 20th, 2009, 07:32 PM
I would have smiled and shook her hand while at the same time telling her she was a fucking bitch :D

KournikovaFan91
Jun 20th, 2009, 10:04 PM
Yes, Marion is the common denominator in the French players feuding. Like does she like any French player, she has a big attitude problem.

Ferg
Jun 20th, 2009, 10:08 PM
Yes, Marion is the common denominator in the French players feuding. Like does she like any French player, she has a big attitude problem.

:spit: Yeah, its Marions fault the other frenchies are jealous of her success. I wouldnt blame her for not wanting to play Fed Cup when the other french players treat her like crap.

cn ireland
Jun 20th, 2009, 10:10 PM
Eventhough I like Marion I think she should've shook Razzano's hand to prove that she's the better person.

But I guess she had her reasons.

KournikovaFan91
Jun 20th, 2009, 10:49 PM
:spit: Yeah, its Marions fault the other frenchies are jealous of her success. I wouldnt blame her for not wanting to play Fed Cup when the other french players treat her like crap.

Yeah I am sure they are jelous. She is a GS finalist but apart from that she hasn't exactly set the world on fire, like I could see if they were jelous of Mauresmo, but Bartoli.:rolleyes:

Marionated
Jun 20th, 2009, 10:58 PM
Get over it haters :rolleyes:

Ferg
Jun 20th, 2009, 11:03 PM
Yeah I am sure they are jelous. She is a GS finalist but apart from that she hasn't exactly set the world on fire, like I could see if they were jelous of Mauresmo, but Bartoli.:rolleyes:

Its quite complicated actually. The French girls in particular are pushed to succed and there is always pressure to do better then one another. Then suddenly they see Bartoli, who doesnt bother with Fed Cup, and who was always seen as one of the Frenchies who would never do anything, by the FFT and the media and the players themselves, get to the final of the most prestigeous tournament in the world and hold down a steady top 15 place and French #1 for 3 years. They always looked at her in contempt and seeing her sucedding over them is embarrassing for them, and its what made Razzano and Golovin before her, make disrespectful remarks about her following her big success and breakthrough. Lets face it: Girls like Razzano, Dechy, Golovin and Rezai would kill to have the sort of career Marion has, even though Razzano and Rezai are having good years. Amelie doesnt seem to care less because shes more succesful then any of them and seems to have too much dignity to get too involved, Cornet is still young and wasnt around back when the trouble started and Loit was the only one who supported Marion over Fed Cup.

French womens tennis is so different from the French men, its quite a pity.

KournikovaFan91
Jun 21st, 2009, 12:08 AM
I doubt Dechy is that jelous, she has 2 doubles GS and a Mixed Doubles slam, which is pretty good.

Some others might be but if Bartoli shook her hand it would have shown she was bigger then all that nonsense now it looks like she is a part of it.

Steadyniacki
Jun 21st, 2009, 12:14 AM
I would have smiled and shook her hand while at the same time telling her she was a fucking bitch :D

i Think that's exactly what Virginie was doing

SV_Fan
Jun 21st, 2009, 12:16 AM
Marion is a thug
:rocker:

faboozadoo15
Jun 21st, 2009, 12:20 AM
Eventhough I like Marion I think she should've shook Razzano's hand to prove that she's the better person.

But I guess she had her reasons.

Agreed. She really should have shaken VR's hand. She comes off as childish.

What were the comments, by the way?

SV_Fan
Jun 21st, 2009, 12:24 AM
Agreed. She really should have shaken VR's hand. She comes off as childish.

What were the comments, by the way?

Which one?

Ferg
Jun 21st, 2009, 12:26 AM
Agreed. She really should have shaken VR's hand. She comes off as childish.

What were the comments, by the way?

First theres that throughly uncomfortable interview on court after the Aggy match where she said along the lines of "I will have to be careful because Marion will do anything to win*laughter*" Saying something like that if front of a crowd? :o You can find the video on the WTA website i think.

Then she said to L'Equipe "You get the impression that on court it's okay by her to use any means to win: calling on the trainer, crying, limping." There was more in French but thats all i can find in english. :tape:

SV_Fan
Jun 21st, 2009, 12:29 AM
You guys I have always wondered what its like to be a bartoli?

Even before she made the wimbledon finals she constantly bullied by her peers, they called her fat, a walkover etc. Is she fat? No, but does she seriously lack muscle tone Yes.

It sorta like she's the black sheep of the tour because
1. She plays two hands off both sides
2. Her Serve
3. Her Training Methods
4. Her Father
5. Just her in general

Even commentators pick on her, she is constantly bullied and badgered by everyone around her, and I feel bad for. I remember Carillo saying she is very isolated from the other players ion particulary the french. She sits alone etc. etc. I feel for Bartoli, and heck now I know how Jankovic feels when she got to number 1.

There are alot of hands that bartoli shouldnt have shaken, but I guess Virgine crossed the line.

SV_Fan
Jun 21st, 2009, 12:30 AM
And thats coming from a 13 year old

KournikovaFan91
Jun 21st, 2009, 12:38 AM
It is about time players like Bartoli and Jankovic who constantly call trainers on at tactical moments are called out for gamesmanship, and when players are unpopular on tour it is usually a pushy parent who drives any friends away.

Ferg
Jun 21st, 2009, 12:41 AM
Great post SV Fan. Her haters just assume she does it for no reason but there is a reason, and its wrong shes being attacked for standing up to them.

Dawson.
Jun 21st, 2009, 12:51 AM
I think the whole Razzano on court interview has been completely blown out of proportion. Razzano’s English isn’t great (better than my French, granted) and she may have found it difficult to find the words to say. She also doesn’t seem to confident on the mic in front of a huge crowd - you only need to watch her interview from today’s final to see that.

SV_Fan
Jun 21st, 2009, 01:00 AM
Great post SV Fan. Her haters just assume she does it for no reason but there is a reason, and its wrong shes being attacked for standing up to them.

Thank You,

In the 07' final they never really said anything postive about her except that "She kept Justine confused", but why must they dwell on her training methods and isolation among the tour instead of her wimbledon final?

She made it to the wimbledon final for godsake many girls on the tour cant even said that.

In my opinion she is being attacked for standing up to the girls that talk about her, and I dont think I KNOW its wrong, and it needs to stop now.

taevaughn
Jun 22nd, 2009, 12:02 AM
they showed it a few times on tc and each time i thought mari was rude. nothing against mari but no matter what you should always shake your opponents hand.

RenaSlam.
Jun 22nd, 2009, 12:05 AM
Razzano sucks ass. Who cares.

Allez, Marion.

urklerlay
Jun 22nd, 2009, 01:31 AM
Razzano sucks ass. Who cares.



Now that is funny!

Anyway, Marion should have shook hands. Just Do It. Don't care if you want to or not. Tradition.

That being said, I was never a Marion fan. I remember one match she was warming up and her opponent was at the net for volleys and Marion was just launching rockets at her. Hitting it much harder than when they were warming up groundies. What an idiot I thought.

Then I saw her again last year playing injured and she played through the entire match, and did not quit. The interview afterwards she actually seemed like a sweet person.

njnetswill
Jun 22nd, 2009, 01:41 AM
No. Marion should slap Virginie next time so Virginie can pull her hair. The only thing that will save women's tennis is some catfights. :armed:

SvetaPleaseWin.
Jun 22nd, 2009, 02:03 AM
it would have shown a bit of class on her side, instead shes made herself look bad. yes she has her reasons for not shaking razzanos hand but time for her to be the bigger person

Robert-KimClijst
Jun 22nd, 2009, 03:35 AM
No. Virginie and her have a heated past, and Razzano has said very mean things before, apparently. So what's the point of Marion just shakling her hand? That's fake. If Virginie really did say something mean and hurtful the day before, then don't be fake and act like you are alright with your opponent. It may have been rude of Marion, but at least she was real. Marion chose to be real and Virginie was fake. That was rude of Bartoli to refuse to shake her hand, but I rather someone be real and sincere than fake to put on a show. Sportsmanship is not much if there is no sincerity behind it. That being said, it's important to be polite and always be sportsmanlike, so Marion should be careful about that. But if Virginie says bitchy things about her, you can't expect Marion to act like a saint towards her.

matty
Jun 22nd, 2009, 03:37 AM
I think she has been ridiculed a bit by some of the other frenchies--she's probably just a shy, introverted person. She does seem a bit overweight, but plays well anyway.

She's really pretty and if she'd lose about 15lbs, she'd probably get some good endorsements, but that may not be important to her. Either way, she's had a pretty good career so far.