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selesadmirer
Sep 9th, 2002, 12:44 AM
i mean,it is all about the sheer hard work and determination,everyone counted out pete,and look at him now,he just won his 14th grandslam....for monica i still believe she can do it,i mean i have been saying this for a while,but i know she will commit herself to getting in the best shape of her life....when i listened to john and the rest of the commentators saying wow look at pete,nobody thought he could do it,but it goes to show you how much he wanted it....all the seles fans keep believing,because my instinct says that monica will makes us proud.best of luck to monica.

Fingon
Sep 9th, 2002, 12:52 AM
There is a big difference.

Pete is a serve and volleyer. He wins a lot of free points off his serve and when he doesn't hit an ace, he comes to the net and finishes off the point quickly. Although I don't doubt that Pete has worked on his fitness, it's not that much really and you could tell by the way he looked at the end of the third set and during the fourth set, what Pete really needed was to have his serve working.

Monica, being one of the greatest ever, doesn't have such a huge weapon, she needs to work hard to win points which means she not only needs to be quick but also she needs to have stamina and that means a lot of hardwork. Not that Monica can't do that but the big question is, does she want to do it?

selesadmirer
Sep 9th, 2002, 01:01 AM
if you look at what seles did last year when she was pretty fit,it shows you she can beat beat anybody...last year she beat hingis capriati serena...etc....i just believe monica in good shape can be right on top of the ball and fist a winner.

Fingon
Sep 9th, 2002, 01:07 AM
Yes, she did beat Capriati and Martina in San Diego but fell short against Venus.
Beat Serena and Martina in Los Angeles but again fell short against Davenport.

Beat Jelena and Justine at the Canadian Open but couldn't keep it up against Serena.

to win a Grand Slam players need to beat 3 top player in a row normally, Monica can beat two but three?

And she only kept that kind of form for 3 tournaments.

selesadmirer
Sep 9th, 2002, 01:15 AM
well last summer she was about 75 percent fit,think what she can do at 90-100 percent,those 2 matches can turn to 3...once again it is all about how hungry monica is to win her 10th grandslam.

Fingon
Sep 9th, 2002, 01:20 AM
We are going back to the if's.

if Monica was 100% fit sound like wishful thinking to me now.

I have been waiting for Monica to get fully fit since 1995...

I have been waiting for Monica to schedule right since 1997...

I really don't think she will do now what she didn't do in the last 6 years.

Sam L
Sep 9th, 2002, 01:25 AM
Originally posted by Fingon
There is a big difference.

Pete is a serve and volleyer. He wins a lot of free points off his serve and when he doesn't hit an ace, he comes to the net and finishes off the point quickly.

That is the biggest difference and the reason why Pete won. Although he did play well from the baseline too against Agassi.

If you want to win slams 30+ you have to come into the net, finish points off quickly.

selesadmirer
Sep 9th, 2002, 01:36 AM
fingon,if you listen to shriver or evert,they still believe she could win another slam....you are correct about the if's....but monica is starting to realize she is getting to the point where she realizes in order to win grand slams again she has to be fit....so lets go from there.

Volcana
Sep 9th, 2002, 02:26 AM
Pete Sampras has a stomach like a washboard. Sure he was winded in the fourth set. He'd already gone to net 100 times! Serve-and-volley tennis is physically harder than playing on the baseline. The truth is, all the best male players are walking around with 4% body fat.

Put it this way. Pete Sampras is about the same amount overweight as Venus. And he looks it. Bodies differ, and I wouldn't expect Monica to get down to Venus/Daniela/Justine type slenderness. But she can certainly get down to Lindsay/Serena/Amelie type slenderness. If she wants to. And if she does, she could make life VERY difficult for Serena at RG. If she doesn't have to play Serena or Venus, she'll likely win. Actualy, at that weight, she'd probably beat Venus. Certainly the way Venus play at the US.

Monica is below 30. She can still take off weight the way a middle-aged person can't. But you have to want to. Think of all the people who call Monica 'fit' at her current weight. There's a big difference between 'fit' and 'peak performance'. Anyone who doesn't think Monica would win more if she were thirty pounds lighter never played high level sports. The lesser shocks on her joints alone would add years to the time she'd perform at a top ten level.

Martina Navratilova beat a top 20 player when she was 44. I cannot imagine Monica doing that. Monica will always give 100% effort, so you can't ever write her off. However, she does NOT give herself the best chance to win. Her best chance is 30 pounds lighter than she is now.

I'm not counting Monica out. However, to an extent, I feel she's counting herself out. She KNOWS she can't win a GS at her current weight, or even close to it.

selesadmirer
Sep 9th, 2002, 02:54 AM
i think 30 pounds is too much volcana,15-20 more lbs would do....and she is too good not to go out with some more grand slams,she owes it to herself and her fans,to get in the best shape.

Mark43
Sep 9th, 2002, 03:14 AM
Yeah if Monica can get to tip top fitness, she has a chance but like Fignon said it is easier for a serve volleyer with a huge serve to finish off points quicker. It seems Monica just doesn't get any free points anymore, certainly from Venus or Serena. Sampras played amazing 'zone' tennis and won about 45 or 50 free points (aces/unreturnable serves). Monica is going to need to not only dramatically improve her fitness to win a slam she also needs to improve her serve and toss to pressure the Venus/Serena/Davenport big servers. She also needs to move forward and take balls out of the air to shorten points and take advantage of her big groundies.

I hope Monica was watching today and got inspired by Pete and Andre. I think she was inspired by Jen Cap last year a bit.

I want Monica to spend the off season working out and start Australia fit, trim and ready to guts it out in the third set!

Fingon
Sep 9th, 2002, 03:53 AM
Originally posted by selesadmirer
fingon,if you listen to shriver or evert,they still believe she could win another slam....you are correct about the if's....but monica is starting to realize she is getting to the point where she realizes in order to win grand slams again she has to be fit....so lets go from there.

Shriver and Evert? is that your source of information?

Well well, Chrissie that thinks that a one-handed backhand is a liability on grass.

Pam Shriver that doesn't even watch the matches.

When you can tell me that Martina Navratilova says it, I could take it seriously.

I like Monica and I would love her to win another GS, but I don't think it will happen.

selesadmirer
Sep 9th, 2002, 11:03 AM
fingon anything is possible,tennis is full of great stories...look at jenn she practically came from nowhere and won 3 grandslams.

irma
Sep 9th, 2002, 11:15 AM
she can but once more I am not sure she wants it!

selesadmirer
Sep 9th, 2002, 11:25 AM
irma,but if she doesn't want it why is she still playing.

irma
Sep 9th, 2002, 11:31 AM
because she loves tennis but being the best might still have a bad taste to her!

FS
Sep 9th, 2002, 12:05 PM
monica could win a GS only if she lets go of her double-handed forehand and starts playing in Germany. It's about time to move forward.

Monica_Rules
Sep 9th, 2002, 12:53 PM
Monica needs to get into the best shape of her life othwise she has no chance she should use the next 3/4 months to work on her fitness and continue into the early part of next year.then hopefully by Roland Garros she can be in great shape.But Monica loves playing tennis but hates gym work is she still dedicated enough for the fittness side of things i hope so!

Beige
Sep 9th, 2002, 01:13 PM
She should've won the Australian Open after beating Venus. If only Hingis had lost in her quarterfinal because Monica owns Jenn. She may still have one Slam left in her but two factors would have to work in her favor. For one, she would have to get in much better shape. An early loss by players who she has terrible head-to-head records against, namely Hingis and Venus would help her cause, too.

Volcana
Sep 9th, 2002, 02:22 PM
I dropped Psych 101 after a week, so this is worth what it is. The last time Monica pushed her way to #1 (as opposed to her injury ranking) someone tried to kill her. Maybe at some level, she doesn't WANT to be #1, and staying heavy is a sort of subconscious compromise between wanting to be the best, and wanting to live.

This isn't even a hunch. It's just an idea, backed by NO EDUCATION IN THE FIELD WHATSOEVER. Don't even watse your time saying it's a stupid idea, I'm not claiming it's a smart one. How, I'm sure it has better than a .001% chance of being true, at least partially.

selesadmirer
Sep 9th, 2002, 10:02 PM
i would love monica to be fit,and to see her glory days again,even if it is just one more slam,she is too good not to have another one.

CJ07
Sep 9th, 2002, 11:37 PM
Volcana has a good idea. But i do think she wants it, because she did win the OZ in 96 and get to the finals at the open, she did well at the slams up in till '00 and '01. and this year she finally made a SF. but i think she has a couple of things going against her:

1) she needs that #4 ranking- without it she gets pit against venus in the QF, which has happened in every slam this year that she didnt have a top 4 ranking.

2) she needs to get in better shape- monica is on her way, in her match against venus, monica was waaaay behind the baseline in the right corner and smartly venus did a drop shot diagonally, monica zipped up there and got the point, even at wimby she couldnt do that. shes lost about 5 pounds, and she has a trainer so shes working on it, she just needs to go about 15 more, and shes good.

3) she needs to work on that serve- i think serve and volleying would do her well, slice out wide, swing volley, point. she started to do this against hingis and tried against venus, good idea. she needs to add around 5 mph to her serve and get more 1st serves in

4) she needs to play more doubles- monica is and never has been comfortable at the net, playing doubles would help this.

if she does those things, which i think she will she'll win id say 3-4 more slams, she wants it, especially wimby she just needs to improve. especially against the williams' and davenport.

selesadmirer
Sep 10th, 2002, 12:07 AM
she needs to work hard in the next few months,and then huge results will show.

harloo
Sep 10th, 2002, 12:07 AM
The truth of the matter is that Monica is enjoying herself playing, and her fans need to be happy for her. I don't think Monica is playing because of the titles and rankings, she is playing because she loves the game.

IMO, Monica has never been in shape to the fullest of her capability. She mentioned in her interview after she lost to Venus at the USO that times have changed. In her time she had Martina N, and Graf to contend with who were fit but not athletes like the new breed. She said the serves are bigger, and she was outplayed in every department. In a way I think that's true, because women's tennis has changed and now if you are not at your highest fitness level you don't have a chance.

Monica can do it, but I don't know if she cares enough. It's hard to change eating habits, but Andre did it so it's possible. Also, Monica will have to get off the baseline and come in and attack. I think anything is possible in tennis, but Monica will need to work extra hard if she wants another slam.