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Sharapower
Jun 19th, 2009, 04:49 AM
It was a shock to me realizing that Venus Williams just turned 29. In one year she’ll reach the critical tennis canonic age of 30.

So to say, Venus’s tennis future is now behind her, although I believe she still can compete at the highest level for several more years. She has a game and a body that makes it totally possible for her to still win big when she’ll be 35. But based on the little we know of this secret lady, it seems unlikely: the strange thing about Venus is that her very self seems so remote to her glorious tennis-career.

To tell the truth, I have misunderstood Venus and that misunderstanding made me dislike her for several years. Probably, the fact that she and her sister Serena dethroned my past favorite, Martina Hingis played a role in that. Also, the extravaganza of her early looks, especially her hairstyle with colorful beads, did not quite please me. Last but not least, her association with her beloved sister and arch-nemesis, the unbearable Serena clouded my judgment.

But now that her career is slowly heading to its end, I realize how I do like Venus. She’s the last survivor of a women’s tennis divas dynasty, the true heir of the Evert, Navratilova and Graff of this world; even though Venus will end up with numbers that won’t really compare with those, to me she represents what a great champion is. It’s not just about what she won or lost, it’s about the way she doesn’t let her ego overshadow what she truly is for the game.

On top of that, there’s something about her that is priceless, a certain form of naivety that amazingly matches the stunning purity of her game when she’s at her best.

To be honest, I still struggle to understand Venus. I don’t understand why she didn’t win much more major tournaments; I don’t understand how it was possible at some point that Serena took a big edge over her, while Venus clearly has the better game of the two. Right now the sisters are even at 10-10 in their head-to-head, but it seems to me it shouldn’t be so balanced, Venus should have the edge but there was one year and a half, in 2002-2003 when Serena owned her totally, with no apparent technical reason; I don’t understand why she’s so prone to crash out of a tournament in early rounds, losing to players that she could crush playing on one leg; I don't understand how at times, her service can be a total disaster when she's the one that can crack the most explosive first serve among women.

That’s the Venus Williams Mystery: there’s no way to know what’s coming. With Serena, or someone like Maria Sharapova, you can see patterns, body-language, technical aspects or other elements of context that give some predictability. Not with Ms Venus Williams, you never know what’s coming, you don’t see her coming.

It’s that mystery that makes me like her, the mystery of a femme-fatale.

Happy birthday, Lady.

RenaSlam.
Jun 19th, 2009, 05:14 AM
Interesting read. I like it. Happy Birthday, Venus.

kwilliams
Jun 19th, 2009, 05:30 AM
That was a nice and well-written piece. I agree with a lot of what you said too and it's definitely a bit of a shock that Venus is now 29 because she's now so close to a milestone.

I hope her plans to play until 2012 are realised because that means we still have over 3 years (perhaps more) of Venus on the tour!

hacberto
Jun 19th, 2009, 05:39 AM
I love Venus and she doesn't even look old. Good Black don't crack.
I think Venus will be 36 years old and still play awesome tennis, powerful tennis

Congratulations Venus

Midnight_Robber
Jun 19th, 2009, 06:29 AM
Thank you for this post Sharapower.

TSequoia01
Jun 19th, 2009, 07:00 AM
Yes it is hard to believe Venus is 29. What wreaked havoc on Venus' numbers was Serena, they both peaked at approximately the same time, with lil sis being a tad better. Still Venus has had her moments. What I could never understand was why it took so long to improve her forehand and second serve. My goodness! In addition, Venus could have had one of the greatest net games in women's tennis history. All and all though a great, hall of fame career. Happy Birthday Vee and I wish you many more.

Gumbycat
Jun 19th, 2009, 07:43 AM
Health determines if an athlete can compete at the highest level. If Venus stays Healthy and Motivated, she could catch Navratilova 9 Wimbledon Championships. If Venus wins 8 to10 Wimbledons, One Australian Open and another US Open she will call it a career. Unfortunately, I think the window for a French Open Title has closed. She will probably skip much of the Clay Court Season later in her career.

TomTennis
Jun 19th, 2009, 10:00 AM
I love Venus and she doesn't even look old. Good Black don't crack.
I think Venus will be 36 years old and still play awesome tennis, powerful tennis

Congratulations Venus

:lol:

Bijoux0021
Jun 19th, 2009, 10:10 AM
Yes it is hard to believe Venus is 29. What wreaked havoc on Venus' numbers was Serena, they both peaked at approximately the same time, with lil sis being a tad better. Still Venus has had her moments. What I could never understand was why it took so long to improve her forehand and second serve. My goodness! In addition, Venus could have had one of the greatest net games in women's tennis history. All and all though a great, hall of fame career. Happy Birthday Vee and I wish you many more.
Her second serve has improved? I haven't noticed. :confused:

TSequoia01
Jun 19th, 2009, 10:32 AM
Her second serve has improved? I haven't noticed. :confused:

Everything is relative I suppose, but her second serve is years ahead of say US Open 99, her match against Hingis. Those 60 mph second serves almost gave me a heart attack. She has come a long way since then.

Convoluted
Jun 19th, 2009, 11:00 AM
Nice read :)

I agree with you that Venus should have won more outside of Wimbledon. She probably has the best body build I've ever seen on a tennis player, and when she's on she's just glorious. It's consistency that meant her downfall. Take that epic SF against Justine in 07. If she had cut a bit on the double faults and the UE's that match was hers...

But then again wallowing on the lost opportunities isn't going to get us anywhere, so still congrats on an already brilliant career. Now let's see if she can make into slam double digits :D

LANGAM
Jun 19th, 2009, 11:32 AM
Nice read.

vwfan
Jun 20th, 2009, 02:05 PM
great thread. great tribute.

Dodoboy.
Jun 20th, 2009, 02:30 PM
I'm going to cry :sad:

mykarma
Jun 20th, 2009, 03:07 PM
It was a shock to me realizing that Venus Williams just turned 29. In one year sheíll reach the critical tennis canonic age of 30.

So to say, Venusís tennis future is now behind her, although I believe she still can compete at the highest level for several more years. She has a game and a body that makes it totally possible for her to still win big when sheíll be 35. But based on the little we know of this secret lady, it seems unlikely: the strange thing about Venus is that her very self seems so remote to her glorious tennis-career.

To tell the truth, I have misunderstood Venus and that misunderstanding made me dislike her for several years. Probably, the fact that she and her sister Serena dethroned my past favorite, Martina Hingis played a role in that. Also, the extravaganza of her early looks, especially her hairstyle with colorful beads, did not quite please me. Last but not least, her association with her beloved sister and arch-nemesis, the unbearable Serena clouded my judgment.

But now that her career is slowly heading to its end, I realize how I do like Venus. Sheís the last survivor of a womenís tennis divas dynasty, the true heir of the Evert, Navratilova and Graff of this world; even though Venus will end up with numbers that wonít really compare with those, to me she represents what a great champion is. Itís not just about what she won or lost, itís about the way she doesnít let her ego overshadow what she truly is for the game.

On top of that, thereís something about her that is priceless, a certain form of naivety that amazingly matches the stunning purity of her game when sheís at her best.

To be honest, I still struggle to understand Venus. I donít understand why she didnít win much more major tournaments; I donít understand how it was possible at some point that Serena took a big edge over her, while Venus clearly has the better game of the two. Right now the sisters are even at 10-10 in their head-to-head, but it seems to me it shouldnít be so balanced, Venus should have the edge but there was one year and a half, in 2002-2003 when Serena owned her totally, with no apparent technical reason; I donít understand why sheís so prone to crash out of a tournament in early rounds, losing to players that she could crush playing on one leg; I don't understand how at times, her service can be a total disaster when she's the one that can crack the most explosive first serve among women.

Thatís the Venus Williams Mystery: thereís no way to know whatís coming. With Serena, or someone like Maria Sharapova, you can see patterns, body-language, technical aspects or other elements of context that give some predictability. Not with Ms Venus Williams, you never know whatís coming, you donít see her coming.

Itís that mystery that makes me like her, the mystery of a femme-fatale.

Happy birthday, Lady.
Great post but Richard Williams has always said that Serena would be the better player. I guess it's because Serena has that never give up spirit and absolutely hates to lose.

sweetpeas
Jun 20th, 2009, 03:26 PM
Richard Williams has always said that Serena would be the better player. I guess it's because Serena has that never give up spirit and absolutely hates to lose.



So true!

gmokb
Jun 20th, 2009, 03:34 PM
Happy birthday my Queen

ys
Jun 20th, 2009, 03:56 PM
Happy birthday Venus. Always loved this most aristocratic player of modern tennis. Hope to see you in white lifting the gold again two weeks from now. And one year, two weeks from now.

Diesel
Jun 20th, 2009, 04:46 PM
A tribute to Venus that somehow can't help but have a little jab at Serena how shocking :lol: What a common Venus tribute.

sweetpeas
Jun 20th, 2009, 04:54 PM
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A tribute to Venus that somehow can't help but have a little jab at Serena how shocking What a common Venus tribute



So true!so so so true!:wavey::lol:

homogenius
Jun 20th, 2009, 04:58 PM
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A tribute to Venus that somehow can't help but have a little jab at Serena how shocking What a common Venus tribute



So true!so so so true!:wavey::lol:

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Vaidisova Ruled
Jun 20th, 2009, 05:00 PM
Even though Venus is now 29, I don't think it affects her. She is an amazing athlete.

Sharapower :worship:
Some fanbase are really nice and clever.:wavey:

Langers
Jun 20th, 2009, 05:07 PM
She's annoying.

Next.

Sir Stefwhit
Jun 20th, 2009, 06:44 PM
A tribute to Venus that somehow can't help but have a little jab at Serena how shocking :lol: What a common Venus tribute.

agreed. I guess if one has converted over to a Williams, to show that they haven't fully come to the dark side it must be made clear that the other sister gets no love. But Im honestly ok with that. That's what makes the sport so much fun. Along with growing to love and appreciate players is the other aspect of rooting against others. The "villains" really make the sport almost as exciting as ones favorites.

I enjoyed reading the post, although I can't say I agree with your all the assessments, especially with regards to Serena and Venus. I think Venus benefited early in their rivalry because of how Serena viewed her big sis. She looked up to Venus and really didn't believe she was a better player. When Serena finally came into her own and wasn't afraid to be the best she could be, she wound up being too much for big sis.

Although I'm not a fan of Vee's I do have mad respect for her. Out of all of Serena's competitors Vee is the one I always dreaded seeing across the net. If they didn't have that mental component at play I'd be much more comfortable with the match-up to be honest.

My journey with Venus is almost the exact opposite. I started off being a fan of hers and later cooled on her. I couldn't connect with her like I did with my past favorites. When it comes to having that player that you truly support it's almost organic how the bond forms. It's kind of like you have a trial period where you get behind a player then after a while the bond either forms or it doesn't.

I like it best when Vee is healthy and playing her best, she is definitely good for the sport. But I have to say that I can't stomach seeing her win another Wimbledon. It's time for babygirl to bring home the trophy this time.

Dodoboy.
Jun 20th, 2009, 06:47 PM
She's annoying.

Next.

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V's a star
Jun 20th, 2009, 07:36 PM
omg Serena fans wish her a happy bday or get the fuck out


Happy late b day Vee:wavey:

gmak
Jun 20th, 2009, 07:55 PM
even though I'm not a fan i've always had respect for Venus

when she's at her best, she's a joy to watch

Stamp Paid
Jun 20th, 2009, 07:57 PM
It was a shock to me realizing that Venus Williams just turned 29. In one year sheíll reach the critical tennis canonic age of 30.

So to say, Venusís tennis future is now behind her, although I believe she still can compete at the highest level for several more years. She has a game and a body that makes it totally possible for her to still win big when sheíll be 35. But based on the little we know of this secret lady, it seems unlikely: the strange thing about Venus is that her very self seems so remote to her glorious tennis-career.

To tell the truth, I have misunderstood Venus and that misunderstanding made me dislike her for several years. Probably, the fact that she and her sister Serena dethroned my past favorite, Martina Hingis played a role in that. Also, the extravaganza of her early looks, especially her hairstyle with colorful beads, did not quite please me. Last but not least, her association with her beloved sister and arch-nemesis, the unbearable Serena clouded my judgment.

But now that her career is slowly heading to its end, I realize how I do like Venus. Sheís the last survivor of a womenís tennis divas dynasty, the true heir of the Evert, Navratilova and Graff of this world; even though Venus will end up with numbers that wonít really compare with those, to me she represents what a great champion is. Itís not just about what she won or lost, itís about the way she doesnít let her ego overshadow what she truly is for the game.

On top of that, thereís something about her that is priceless, a certain form of naivety that amazingly matches the stunning purity of her game when sheís at her best.

To be honest, I still struggle to understand Venus. I donít understand why she didnít win much more major tournaments; I donít understand how it was possible at some point that Serena took a big edge over her, while Venus clearly has the better game of the two. Right now the sisters are even at 10-10 in their head-to-head, but it seems to me it shouldnít be so balanced, Venus should have the edge but there was one year and a half, in 2002-2003 when Serena owned her totally, with no apparent technical reason; I donít understand why sheís so prone to crash out of a tournament in early rounds, losing to players that she could crush playing on one leg; I don't understand how at times, her service can be a total disaster when she's the one that can crack the most explosive first serve among women.

Thatís the Venus Williams Mystery: thereís no way to know whatís coming. With Serena, or someone like Maria Sharapova, you can see patterns, body-language, technical aspects or other elements of context that give some predictability. Not with Ms Venus Williams, you never know whatís coming, you donít see her coming.

Itís that mystery that makes me like her, the mystery of a femme-fatale.

Happy birthday, Lady.Oh really now?

Dave.
Jun 20th, 2009, 07:58 PM
omg Serena fans wish her a happy bday or get the fuck out


Happy late b day Vee:wavey:

:haha: :haha:


Happy Birthday Venus! :scared: ;)

The Dawntreader
Jun 20th, 2009, 08:02 PM
omg Serena fans wish her a happy bday or get the fuck out

Happy late b day Vee:wavey:

Nice to know the animosity is at a minimum:o:lol:

I love the lingo on this board :haha:

homogenius
Jun 20th, 2009, 08:03 PM
^^ yep.It'll be tense if both are in the final :tape::scared:

V's a star
Jun 20th, 2009, 08:13 PM
Nice to know the animosity is at a minimum:o:lol:

I love the lingo on this board :haha:

haha i have no animosity or much :unsure: lol I jus dont like all (most) Serena fans comin in here bitchin about watever it is there bitchin about making it all about her. I didnt see anyone intentionally "jabbing" serena. This is about Venus turing 29!!

Becool
Jun 20th, 2009, 08:16 PM
if u want to celebrate venus birthday thats ok, but only do that.. do not disrepsect serena cuz when you compare both, even venus havin more titles you can see clearly who's the best of the two..

and no, venus' game is not better than serena.. you have made a great thread, with good intentions.. that's ok..

but don't give on bullshit and expect people to agree wit you..

Sir Stefwhit
Jun 20th, 2009, 08:59 PM
omg Serena fans wish her a happy bday or get the fuck outummmm when the thread starter brought up Serena and said things I don't consider to be true- U best believe I'm going to add my two cents.

But still.... Happy B'day Vee, the greatest hitting partner a sister could have. I probably owe Vee some thanks for helping make Serena what she is today. So for that I'm thankful to Vee.

Diesel
Jun 21st, 2009, 01:26 AM
haha i have no animosity or much :unsure: lol I jus dont like all (most) Serena fans comin in here bitchin about watever it is there bitchin about making it all about her. I didnt see anyone intentionally "jabbing" serena. This is about Venus turing 29!!
If it was a true tribute to Venus, Serena wouldn't have been mentioned. Only Venus fans, blind ones at that, could have a Venus 'tribute' bash Serena and call it a great thing.

Knizzle
Jun 21st, 2009, 01:33 AM
Happy birthday Venus. Always loved this most aristocratic player of modern tennis. Hope to see you in white lifting the gold again two weeks from now. And one year, two weeks from now.WHAT?! I truly died laughing at this. ys, the younger posters on the board may not know you, but I do. You NEVER loved Venus. ROTFLMBO!!! This deserves a Cariosity flatline.......................................... .................................................. ........................and a *dead*

Knizzle
Jun 21st, 2009, 01:35 AM
if u want to celebrate venus birthday thats ok, but only do that.. do not disrepsect serena cuz when you compare both, even venus havin more titles you can see clearly who's the best of the two..

and no, venus' game is not better than serena.. you have made a great thread, with good intentions.. that's ok..

but don't give on bullshit and expect people to agree wit you..He/She is a Sharapova fan, which sister do you expect him/her to bash? :lol:

Sharapower
Jun 21st, 2009, 01:39 AM
Oh really now?

In terms of skills, yes, Venus has the better game than Serena, she's a far more complete player.

Sharapower
Jun 21st, 2009, 01:46 AM
A tribute to Venus that somehow can't help but have a little jab at Serena how shocking :lol: What a common Venus tribute.

Can't.... resist... jabbing...:tape:

Diesel
Jun 21st, 2009, 01:47 AM
Can't.... resist... jabbing...:tape:
Obviously. A Venus tribute wouldn't be the same without putting down her sister. It's the only way she can be great :lol:

homogenius
Jun 21st, 2009, 01:55 AM
In terms of skills, yes, Venus has the better game than Serena, she's a far more complete player.

mmm sorry but no.

V-MAC
Jun 21st, 2009, 01:57 AM
omg Serena fans wish her a happy bday or get the fuck out


Happy late b day Vee:wavey:

I still can't quite grasp where all this sudden bout of bitterness came from coz it was not here a year ago. Just really puzzling:confused:

homogenius
Jun 21st, 2009, 02:02 AM
I still can't quite grasp where all this sudden bout of bitterness came from coz it was not here a year ago. Just really puzzling:confused:

Venus has been much more competitive in the past year (especiallly against Serena, beating her several times.And I think the Wimbly loss from last year still hurts for some...).Both fan bases seemed much more united when Venus was less of a threat imho and from an extern pov.
The tension was palpable between the sisters as well during their last 4,5 matches and it seems to translate on the board.

Diesel
Jun 21st, 2009, 02:06 AM
Venus has been much more competitive in the past year (especiallly against Serena, beating her several times.And I think the Wimbly loss from last year still hurts for some...).Both fan bases seemed much more united when Venus was less of a threat imho and from an extern pov.
The tension was palpable between the sisters as well during their last 4,5 matches and it seems to translate on the board.
Serena's won 2 slams to Venus' 1 in that timeframe from Wimbledon of a year ago. You need to tinker with your outside observation.

homogenius
Jun 21st, 2009, 02:14 AM
Serena's won 2 slams to Venus' 1 in that timeframe from Wimbledon of a year ago. You need to tinker with your outside observation.

I didn't say Venus had been more successfull than Serena, just that she was way more competitive.She won her first big titles outside Wimbledon since forever (including YEC in brilliant fashion).She beat Serena in Wimbly's final (handshake was coooold and Serena was really pissed off after the match), had a big opportunity to beat her again at USO, and bageled her at YEC (Serena was not pleased as well).All in all, Venus's attitude when playing Serena seems to have change a bit.Serena got it (and her fans too I supposed).
I just think it's no coincidence if the increased tension translated between the respective fan bases as well.A lot of Serena fans were also supporting Venus a lot before, but kinda stopped it.

PS : of course this post doesn't concern Serena fans who never liked Venus in the first place ;)

Sharapower
Jun 21st, 2009, 02:14 AM
Don't worry guys, I'll pay my tribute to SW, in due time.
For now back to business rooting for Masha to beat the crap outta the sisters in Wimby (even though it's quite unlikely but rationality is the enemy of tennis-fanhood.)

Knizzle
Jun 21st, 2009, 02:16 AM
Don't worry guys, I'll pay my tribute to SW, in due time.
For now back to business rooting for Masha to beat the crapp outta the sisters in Wimby (even though it's quite unlikely but rationality is the enemy of tennis-fanhood.Save it now.

Diesel
Jun 21st, 2009, 02:18 AM
I didn't say Venus had been more successfull than Serena, just that she was way more competitive.She won her first big titles outside Wimbledon since forever (including YEC in brilliant fashion).She beat Serena in Wimbly's final (handshake was coooold and Serena was really pissed off after the match), had a big opportunity to beat her again at USO, and bageled her at YEC (Serena was not pleased as well).I just think it's no coincidence if the tnesion translat-ed between the respective fan bases as well.A lot of Serena fans were also supporting Venus a lot before, but kinda stopped it.
Competition is fine - especially at a message board, let alone this message board, results are rarely why there is tension between fans. I'm not sure what percentage of fans support either player - seems rather equal to me in terms of pro/against it's just more popular to say Serena fans have abandoned Vee. This with Vee fans being lovers of all things Serena :lol:

homogenius
Jun 21st, 2009, 02:25 AM
Competition is fine - especially at a message board, let alone this message board, results are rarely why there is tension between fans. I'm not sure what percentage of fans support either player - seems rather equal to me in terms of pro/against it's just more popular to say Serena fans have abandoned Vee.

But the relations between Venus and Serena fan bases are "special" for obvious reasons.Vmac asked a legitimate question imo.One has to be blind not to have noticed how things changed over the past year.Before, you would have found a lot of Serena fans supporting and defending Venus when she was attacked/criticized and calling themselves "fans of both".Now she seems to be more criticized by Serena fans than by fans of any other player of this board.
(btw I didn't say it was a bad thing or anything.It was just an observation).

vwfan
Jun 21st, 2009, 02:26 AM
Obviously. A Venus tribute wouldn't be the same without putting down her sister. It's the only way she can be great :lol::lol: yeah that and those 5 Wimbledon titles! :o

Infiniti2001
Jun 21st, 2009, 02:26 AM
Jesus Christmas. Every bloody discussion on this board somehow turns into Serena. It's like her shit doesn't stink :rolleyes:

HRHoliviasmith
Jun 21st, 2009, 02:27 AM
Happy birthday Venus. Always loved this most aristocratic player of modern tennis. Hope to see you in white lifting the gold again two weeks from now. And one year, two weeks from now.

*doublechecking poster* :lol: :rolls: :haha: jinx or sarcasm? :unsure:

how did i miss this thread? never too late for a good laugh i guess.

p.s. happy birthday venus.

HRHoliviasmith
Jun 21st, 2009, 02:28 AM
Jesus Christmas. Every bloody discussion on this board somehow turns into Serena. It's like her shit doesn't stink :rolleyes:

it doesn't. :p

Infiniti2001
Jun 21st, 2009, 02:29 AM
it doesn't. :p

Yet Venus's fans are the blind ones:tape:

faboozadoo15
Jun 21st, 2009, 02:32 AM
even though I'm not a fan i've always had respect for Venus

when she's at her best, she's a joy to watch

Venus sure has given us a lot of great tennis memories, epic rivalries.
The enduring power of her athletic game and deer-like movement will be what I remember most about her. Venus used to be my second favorite player, but I cooled to her when she rolled over and played dead against her sister for almost 2 years (2002 onward).

It is a bit silly to be talking about the past when I'd say she's almost 50/50 to win another major in two weeks' time.

Diesel
Jun 21st, 2009, 02:35 AM
But the relations between Venus and Serena fan bases are "special" for obvious reasons.Vmac asked a legitimate question imo.One has to be blind not to have noticed how things changed over the past year.Before, you would have found a lot of Serena fans supporting and defending Venus when she was attacked/criticized and calling themselves "fans of both".Now she seems to be more criticized by Serena fans than by fans of any other player of this board.
(btw I didn't say it was a bad thing or anything.It was just an observation).
VMac did make a legitimate observation but the reasonings to an individual person are different and they do not all boil to simply Venus being more competitive. Like I stated before, it's just a nicer image to say Serena fans once supported and then dropped their support of Venus and thus the Vee fans are bewildered :lol: And it's highly amusing VMac would care when even within your post it's one sided - Serena fans used to do the defending, Serena fans used to support. That stopped with some fans and it's a problem. Venus fans did what now? Not much it seems. I know, I know, it's just an observation :)

Diesel
Jun 21st, 2009, 02:37 AM
:lol: yeah that and those 5 Wimbledon titles! :o
That's surely a great accomplishment. It would have been easy to simply go this route without dogging Serena wouldn't it :rolleyes:

vwfan
Jun 21st, 2009, 02:38 AM
Venus sure has given us a lot of great tennis memories, epic rivalries.
The enduring power of her athletic game and deer-like movement will be what I remember most about her. Venus used to be my second favorite player, but I cooled to her when she rolled over and played dead against her sister for almost 2 years (2002 onward).

It is a bit silly to be talking about the past when I'd say she's almost 50/50 to win another major in two weeks' time.well, Seles was my fav, before venus came on the scene. she was Venus' fav, too. :lol:

even though she punked out in those finals (she was really injured in Wimbledon 2003, so I don't count that one), I could never abandon her. anyway, lately, she's come to play.

good luck Venus. win your sixth Wimbledon this year!

so exciting. :bounce:

Melly Flew Us
Jun 21st, 2009, 02:42 AM
Great post but Richard Williams has always said that Serena would be the better player. I guess it's because Serena has that never give up spirit and absolutely hates to lose.i've always felt that there was a bit of self-fulfilling prophecy with that pronouncement.

anyway, i don't think that vee's future is behind her - she hasn't played enough; and if she can manage her anaemia properly things can only get better.

Knizzle
Jun 21st, 2009, 02:44 AM
Has Venus ever said how, when and where Anemia has affected her?

vwfan
Jun 21st, 2009, 02:49 AM
That's surely a great accomplishment. It would have been easy to simply go this route without dogging Serena wouldn't it :rolleyes:absolutely. but I must say that is a bit like the pot calling the kettle black, since you seem to take your share of digs as well. :lol:

Venus and Serena will always be compared--they are both great champions, have similar games, are rivals, and two of the top competitors of their generation and get this: they're sisters.

. . .and someone can express an opinion that Venus is a better player without it being a dig at Serena. I think Venus is a better player than Jankovic and Maria for example. To say so is not a disparagement of either Maria or Jankovic. Maria is still a great champion and Jankovic an elite player.

vwfan
Jun 21st, 2009, 02:51 AM
Has Venus ever said how, when and where Anemia has affected her?
Venus never would.

The only hint of an adverse affect was in the match against Henin in 2007.

Knizzle
Jun 21st, 2009, 02:54 AM
Venus never would.

The only hint of an adverse affect was in the match against Henin in 2007.I mean as far as which symptoms she suffers from most. Not necessarily during a specific match or even tennis in general.

homogenius
Jun 21st, 2009, 02:55 AM
VMac did make a legitimate observation but the reasonings to an individual person are different and they do not all boil to simply Venus being more competitive. Like I stated before, it's just a nicer image to say Serena fans once supported and then dropped their support of Venus and thus the Vee fans are bewildered :lol: And it's highly amusing VMac would care when even within your post it's one sided - Serena fans used to do the defending, Serena fans used to support. That stopped with some fans and it's a problem. Venus fans did what now? Not much it seems. I know, I know, it's just an observation :)

It's not just a "nice image", it's a fact when you read the threads (last example in this one).I pointed out the Serena fans behaviour cause the agressivety comes more from this side imo and cause it kinda show that the nice image (to use your terms)given by some Serena fans claiming being fan of both for years was kinda fake (not talking about you of course).
Now to be fair, speaking about the other side : Venus fans became more cocky than before in the past year (probably cause for years Venus was only a threat in Wimbly while in the last autumn, she kinda fixed her game and appeared to possibly be a threat again, giving hope that maybe the race for the "best player of her generation" was not finished after all).

Just my two cents :angel:

Melly Flew Us
Jun 21st, 2009, 02:56 AM
Has Venus ever said how, when and where Anemia has affected her?
i've never seen anything specifying the cause but, in women mild anaemia is commonly caused by menstruation, particularly if the flow is heavy.

severe cases are often the result of excessive blood loss associated with imbalance in menstrual cycle, birth and other similar events; transfusions are recommended for iron levels lower than 8 or so units (12 units being acceptable).

as a practising jehovah's witness a low iron count couldn't be fixed by blood transfusions and inorganic sources of iron are less effective than haem sources and would take longer to remedy the problem.

i forgot to add that as an athelete placing her body under extreme stress anaemia could be dangerous - it means that the flow of oxygen is low and places organs under stress - hence the requirement for transfusions and the fact that one must sometimes choose between eating (blood flow is redirected to stomach) or exercise.

Diesel
Jun 21st, 2009, 02:58 AM
absolutely. but I must say that is a bit like the pot calling the kettle black, since you seem to take your share of digs as well. :lol:
That I do. But what's that to do with this 'tribute' thread?
And if this is the pot/kettle syndrome than all the Vee fans complaining should shut up.

Venus and Serena will always be compared--they are both great champions, have similar games, are rivals, and two of the top competitors of their generation and get this: they're sisters.
Comparison is not the point. In a tribute thread especially, comparison to say one is good because the other is bad is what sucks. That's all I had a problem with even if that type of comparison is fine by you and others.

. . .and someone can express an opinion that Venus is a better player without it being a dig at Serena. I think Venus is a better player than Jankovic and Maria for example. To say so is not a disparagement of either Maria or Jankovic. Maria is still a great champion and Jankovic an elite player.
You're silly and your if oversimplification is to be noted to your willful ignorance it can be no wonder you would applaud such a tribute.
Last but not least, her association with her beloved sister and arch-nemesis, the unbearable Serena clouded my judgment.
I don’t understand how it was possible at some point that Serena took a big edge over her, while Venus clearly has the better game of the two.Venus should have the edge but there was one year and a half, in 2002-2003 when Serena owned her totally, with no apparent technical reason
I had a problem with it, you didn't - such is the case the next time a disagreement comes up you would take your pot/kettle remarks and remember your own hypocrisy.
Anyways, Happy B-day Vee :lol:

Paneru
Jun 21st, 2009, 03:03 AM
A thread started with beautiful sentiments turned into a bunch of nonsense! :rolleyes:

V's a star
Jun 21st, 2009, 03:25 AM
A thread started with beautiful sentiments turned into a bunch on nonsense! :rolleyes:

ya thnx Diesel. We can always cant on you:yeah:

Knizzle
Jun 21st, 2009, 06:33 AM
ya thnx Diesel. We can always cant on you:yeah:LOL

Vaidisova Ruled
Jun 21st, 2009, 08:01 AM
Venus has been much more competitive in the past year (especiallly against Serena, beating her several times.And I think the Wimbly loss from last year still hurts for some...).Both fan bases seemed much more united when Venus was less of a threat imho and from an extern pov.
The tension was palpable between the sisters as well during their last 4,5 matches and it seems to translate on the board.
:worship:

volta
Jun 21st, 2009, 09:25 AM
I mean as far as which symptoms she suffers from most. Not necessarily during a specific match or even tennis in general.

Vee has talked about some dizziness that she gets from time to time but i think that's all :confused:

anyway Ree only fans are right when they complain, the OP was the one who brought her up not Serena fans.
for some reason ppl think that it's ok to say something about Serena after stating I LIKE VENUZZZ :rolleyes:

vwfan
Jun 21st, 2009, 01:38 PM
That I do. But what's that to do with this 'tribute' thread?
And if this is the pot/kettle syndrome than all the Vee fans complaining should shut up.


Comparison is not the point. In a tribute thread especially, comparison to say one is good because the other is bad is what sucks. That's all I had a problem with even if that type of comparison is fine by you and others.


You're silly and your if oversimplification is to be noted to your willful ignorance it can be no wonder you would applaud such a tribute.
Last but not least, her association with her beloved sister and arch-nemesis, the unbearable Serena clouded my judgment.
I don’t understand how it was possible at some point that Serena took a big edge over her, while Venus clearly has the better game of the two.Venus should have the edge but there was one year and a half, in 2002-2003 when Serena owned her totally, with no apparent technical reason
I had a problem with it, you didn't - such is the case the next time a disagreement comes up you would take your pot/kettle remarks and remember your own hypocrisy.
Anyways, Happy B-day Vee :lol:dig at Serena noted. fair enough.

however, I can not take you seriously as a poster since discussion does not seem to be the point. I won't try again. :wavey:

Knizzle
Jun 21st, 2009, 02:35 PM
Vee has talked about some dizziness that she gets from time to time but i think that's all :confused:

anyway Ree only fans are right when they complain, the OP was the one who brought her up not Serena fans.
for some reason ppl think that it's ok to say something about Serena after stating I LIKE VENUZZZ :rolleyes:I see, that makes sense.

youizahoe
Jun 21st, 2009, 02:40 PM
I'm going to cry :sad:

Don't you dare pulling a boyle :mad:

youizahoe
Jun 21st, 2009, 02:41 PM
Vee has talked about some dizziness that she gets from time to time but i think that's all :confused:

anyway Ree only fans are right when they complain, the OP was the one who brought her up not Serena fans.
for some reason ppl think that it's ok to say something about Serena after stating I LIKE VENUZZZ :rolleyes:

It's her blood disease (don't ask me to write it, coz I still can't). Basically she can't take up enough oxygen in her blood while doing intensive things, and that get her dizzy and nausea. Luckily her medicins help her with that.

Slutiana
Jun 21st, 2009, 02:59 PM
Serena fans. :weirdo: Its true, it was fine when Serena was beating Venus left right and centre, it was clear she was better, but now Venus has grown up, now Venus wants to win just as much as Serena when they play, now the h2h is 10-10, she's a threat again and the real intentions of the Serena fans are revealed.

The OP is entitled to their own opinion, especially since Venus and Serena's game are essentialy on the same level. It can be argued either way and there never will be a definitive answer. "while Venus clearly has the better game of the two." wasn't an "obvious dig" at Serena, if the person had said "While Venus clearly has the better game of any of her rivals" you all still would have bounded in here trying to dispute it. Obviously at the different points of their careers it has been Serena who has wanted it more and it has reflected in her results and more slams, as well as Venus not being able to find that killer instinct vs Serena, but as a massive fan of both girls I can see why people may favour one game over the other. They are SO close to each other in playing ability, and NO ONE can dispute that.

friendsita
Jun 21st, 2009, 03:10 PM
omg V
LOVE U!!