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mure
Jun 18th, 2009, 08:14 PM
South African rape survey shock

One in four South African men questioned in a survey said they had raped someone and nearly half admitted having attacked more than one victim.

The study, by the country's Medical Research Council, also found three out of four who admitted rape attacked for the first time while in their teens.

It said practices such as gang rape were common because they were considered a form of male bonding.

The MRC spoke to 1,738 men in KwaZulu-Natal and Eastern Cape provinces.

The research was conducted in both rural and urban areas and included all racial groups.

Using an electronic device to keep the results anonymous, the study found that 73% of respondents said they had carried out their first assault before the age of 20.

Almost half who said they had carried out a rape admitted they had done so more than once.


FROM BBC WORLD SERVICE

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One in 20 men surveyed said they had raped a woman or girl in the last year.

Professor Rachel Jewkes of the MRC, who carried out the research, told the BBC's World Today programme: "The absolute imperative is we have to change the underlying social attitudes that in a way have created a norm that coercing women into sex is on some level acceptable.

"We know that we have a higher prevalence of rape in South Africa than there is in other countries.

"And it's partly rooted in our incredibly disturbed past and the way that South African men over the centuries have been socialised into forms of masculinity that are predicated on the idea of being strong and tough and the use of force to assert dominance and control over women, as well as other men."

She added that all the victims in the main survey were said to be women, but participants were also interviewed about male rape.

'Sad state of affairs'

The study found that one in 10 men said they had been raped by other men.


I don't think it's cultural per se; I think it has to do with how a lot of us men worldwide were raised
Mbuyiselo Botha
South African Men's Forum

Some 3% of the men interviewed said they had coerced a man or a boy into sex.

The participants were also tested for HIV and the authors of the survey were surprised that men who had raped were not more likely to test positive for the virus.

Mbuyiselo Botha, from the South African Men's Forum, which campaigns for women's rights, told the BBC's Focus on Africa programme that any view of women as "fair game" had to be challenged.

Mr Botha, a father of two girls himself, said: "I think that yes, the figures are that high and for us, for me in particular, that is a very sad state of affairs.

"It means that we continue in South Africa to be one of the highest capitals of rape in the world.

"I don't think it's cultural per se; I think it has to do with how a lot of us men worldwide were raised. The issues of dominance against women, issues of inequality, are pervasive and you find them throughout the world."

South Africa's government has been repeatedly criticised for failing to address the country's rape epidemic.

A recent trade union report said a child was being raped in South Africa every three minutes with the vast majority of those cases going unreported.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/8107039.stm

un fuckin believable...sounds like a fun place to visit with the world cup coming and all :tape:

Williamsser
Jun 18th, 2009, 08:20 PM
:speakles:

Scotso
Jun 18th, 2009, 08:57 PM
That probably means that actually half or more of them have actually done it.

Marshmallow
Jun 18th, 2009, 10:21 PM
Professor Rachel Jewkes of the MRC, who carried out the research, told the BBC's World Today programme: "The absolute imperative is we have to change the underlying social attitudes that in a way have created a norm that coercing women into sex is on some level acceptable.

...

"And it's partly rooted in our incredibly disturbed past and the way that South African men over the centuries have been socialised into forms of masculinity that are predicated on the idea of being strong and tough and the use of force to assert dominance and control over women, as well as other men."

...

The study found that one in 10 men said they had been raped by other men.

...

"I don't think it's cultural per se; I think it has to do with how a lot of us men worldwide were raised. The issues of dominance against women, issues of inequality, are pervasive and you find them throughout the world."


On a Social Psychological level this is interesting - not in a good way. Across the world, although the manifestations are different: Rapes in this case, Knife Crime and gang culture in US and UK, Neo-Nazi rise and tolerance of racism in eastern Europe, Binge drinking ... - we're seeing in many regions these major behavioural issues rooted in some social discord; historic or present. It's sad for sure - but like a huge wake up call in some ways.

Wiggly
Jun 19th, 2009, 02:31 AM
If 25% admits it, a lot more did. :tape:
Isn't Johanesburg the most dangerous city on Earth?

Pasta-Na
Jun 19th, 2009, 02:32 AM
rap songs? :o

Brett.
Jun 19th, 2009, 04:06 AM
I still wonder why gay marriage is legal in South Africa? :tape: Strange!

Wigglytuff
Jun 19th, 2009, 05:10 AM
sick and not surprising.

Bijoux0021
Jun 19th, 2009, 05:40 AM
Unfortunately, this is not surprising. Given how widespread rape is in Africa, there has to be more than 1 out of 4 males committing this crime.:sad:

harloo
Jun 19th, 2009, 05:53 AM
rap songs? :o

:rolleyes: Did you even read the article? :o

RFSTB
Jun 19th, 2009, 06:21 AM
Sickening. I hope we are not letting any South African men immigrate to this country. No wonder they have the highest percentage of AIDS.

BTW isn't the next World Cup supposed to be in South Africa? YIKES!!! :eek::tape:

Pasta-Na
Jun 19th, 2009, 06:47 AM
:rolleyes: Did you even read the article? :o

i was kidding. :o

woosey
Jun 19th, 2009, 07:08 AM
the fact that researchers would even think, 'let's do a study asking men whether they have raped women,' is pretty telling about the situation right there.

then for so many men to answer in the affirmative suggests:

a) they don't think it's such a bad thing to do this (no embarrassment or shame), which is why they have no problem admitting it

b) a lot more have probably done it because people generally lie when answering questions of any kind for surveys


this is really quite scary.

woosey
Jun 19th, 2009, 07:09 AM
i was kidding. :o


pretty dumb thing to kid about.

raffles
Jun 19th, 2009, 12:40 PM
Sickening. I hope we are not letting any South African men immigrate to this country. No wonder they have the highest percentage of AIDS.

BTW isn't the next World Cup supposed to be in South Africa? YIKES!!! :eek::tape:

Just be glad it's not the women's world cup.

SA allows gay marriage because it has very new constitution which aimed to treat everyone equal, which is a admirable idea unfortunatly doesn't reflect the countries views at all. Anyway aren't some of these men suppose to have been going around trying to convert all those lesbians with "corrective rape". I read that a few months ago. Appalling place really. I knew a white girl from SA her parents couldn't wait to get out of there when it went to hell, they moved to France. Even 6 years ago when I first meet her she told me that rape was rife in SA.

Keegan
Jun 19th, 2009, 04:19 PM
I am no way surprised. South Africa's in a right state. Zuma's an idiot and a half too.

Expat
Jun 19th, 2009, 04:24 PM
If 1 out of 10 men is admitting being raped then the situation is much worse than that. No wonder people are leaving South Africa.

Marshmallow
Jun 19th, 2009, 05:05 PM
the fact that researchers would even think, 'let's do a study asking men whether they have raped women,' is pretty telling about the situation right there.

then for so many men to answer in the affirmative suggests:

a) they don't think it's such a bad thing to do this (no embarrassment or shame), which is why they have no problem admitting it

b) a lot more have probably done it because people generally lie when answering questions of any kind for surveys


this is really quite scary.

That bugs me too. I mean, really people should be afraid of admitting they have raped someone. The justice system is RSA must be a shambles. That wouldn't surprise me too much either though, there was a documentary shown here about murderous mobs in SA that take the law into their own hands. What a mess.