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vwfan
Jun 18th, 2009, 01:47 PM
Posted on Wimbledon site:

We asked an expert panel to vote for their greatest Wimbledon Champion of all time. Chaired by Britain's most successful preformer at Wimbledon since Fred Perry and HSBC ambassador Tim Henman, ou expert panel of tennis journalists and former players voted for their Top 5 Men's and 5 Women's Wimbledon Singles Champions, to produce "The Experts Top 10":

Top 5 Women Champions
Steffi Graf
Billie Jean-King
Suzanne Lengren
Martina Navratilova
Venus Williams

Top 5 Men Champions
Bjorn Borg
Roger Federer
Rod Laver
John McEnroe
Pete Sampras

The HSBC Expert Panel consisted of:
Tracey Austin (former US Open Champion)
Jeremy Bates (Former British Number 1 & LTA Head of Men's Tennis)
John Barrett (ex BBC broadcaster & All England Club Member
Bud Collins (US broadcaster & Journalist)
Mike Dickson (Daily Mail)
Jo Durie (Former British Number 1)
Neil Harman (The Times)
Mark Hodgkinson (Daily Telegraph)
John Inverdale (BBC)
Pam Shriver (Former Wimbledon Ladies Doubles Champion)
Virginia Wade (Former Wimbledon Champions)


Venus and Roger are the only active players to be among the all time greats. Both have 5 Wimbledon titles each. Will one or both get to six in 2009?

tennnisfannn
Jun 18th, 2009, 02:11 PM
what fantastic comepany venus and roger are in.

moby
Jun 18th, 2009, 02:18 PM
They are both all-time Wimby greats. Neither are THE all-time Wimby Great - Sampras and Nav still hang on to those positions, unless one wants to be picky and go back to the days of William Renshaw and make an argument for him.

Win or lose, neither Venus nor Roger will become the Wimby GOAT this year.

My picks for Wimby this year are Serena (edging out Venus) and Roger.

serenafan08
Jun 18th, 2009, 02:24 PM
They are both all-time Wimby greats. Neither are THE all-time Wimby Great - Sampras and Nav still hang on to those positions, unless one wants to be picky and go back to the days of William Renshaw and make an argument for him.

Win or lose, neither Venus nor Roger will become the Wimby GOAT this year.

My picks for Wimby this year are Serena (edging out Venus) and Roger.

Co-sign. I really think that Serena and Venus are on the verge of putting on one of the best women's matches that we'll see...much like Roger and Rafa did for the men last year. I also think that Roger is ready to add to his history - not only win #15, but become one of the few players to complete the French/Wimbledon double. That's history too. It's going to be an exciting fortnight!

MistyGrey
Jun 18th, 2009, 02:26 PM
They are both among the all time Wimbledon greats.. but neither will become Wimbledon GOATS with a title here..

AnnaK_4ever
Jun 18th, 2009, 02:26 PM
Helen Wills anyone? Or 8 titles are not that impressive?

MistyGrey
Jun 18th, 2009, 02:28 PM
Helen Wills anyone? Or 8 titles are not that impressive?

I was wondering the same thing... Lenglen over Wills Moody doesnt make sense.

moby
Jun 18th, 2009, 02:29 PM
Helen Wills anyone? Or 8 titles are not that impressive?They put asterisks on all her Wimbledon titles because Suzanne turned pro. :crying2:

Uranium
Jun 18th, 2009, 02:29 PM
Both my faves will win at Wimbledon for the 6th time:hearts:

Dawson.
Jun 18th, 2009, 02:32 PM
The HSBC Expert Panel consisted of:
...
John Inverdale (BBC)

:rolls::rolls::rolls::sobbing::lol:

AnnaK_4ever
Jun 18th, 2009, 02:35 PM
I was wondering the same thing... Lenglen over Wills Moody doesnt make sense.

Lenglen should be there. Venus shouldn't.

MistyGrey
Jun 18th, 2009, 02:42 PM
Lenglen should be there. Venus shouldn't.

Yep. You're right, but I assumed they didnt want to pick people before the Open era, and picked the greatest pre Open era Wimbledon champ.

Otherwise it should be Lenglen,Wills Moody,King,Navratilova and Graf.

Miss Amor
Jun 18th, 2009, 02:42 PM
I wouldnt be surprised if Tracy voted for Maria Sharapova as the Wimbledon GOAT

Bijoux0021
Jun 18th, 2009, 02:57 PM
I wouldnt be surprised if Tracy voted for Maria Sharapova as the Wimbledon GOAT
Yep, Tracy and Ted Robinson.

Sam L
Jun 18th, 2009, 03:14 PM
They put asterisks on all her Wimbledon titles because Suzanne turned pro. :crying2:

WTF? Can we also put asterisks on Graf's 93, 95 and 96 Wimbedons then? :confused:

pancake
Jun 18th, 2009, 03:35 PM
WTF? Can we also put asterisks on Graf's 93, 95 and 96 Wimbedons then? :confused:

Drop it. just drop it. You're getting more and more annoying with the whole Graf thing, I don't know what's wrong with you, but being so fixated with that back-stabbing incident won't do you any good, especially given that you're so blinkered already. Really everytime you have the chance to attack whatever you don't like or agree with you find a way to bring something stupid things up which doesn't really make whatever you disapprove of look bad, it only makes you more ludicrous, you're only making a fool of yourself. We got your point already, really. Please grow up asap for the sake of yours and the others.

ETA: sorry I digress. Anyway I respect basically everyone on the list. I like both Roger's and Venus' chance this year but they are quite inconsistent (well for Roger his performance has not been as steady these years) so it's hard to tell.

John.
Jun 18th, 2009, 03:39 PM
:rolls::rolls::rolls::sobbing::lol:

I know - John Inverdale = Expert :help: :o

Sam L
Jun 18th, 2009, 03:42 PM
Here's my Top 5:

1. Navratilova (9 time champion) - incredible record not just in wins but as a finalist too.

2. Wills (8 time champion) - Finalist in first year and won every single on thereafter for a period of about 10 years.

3. King (6 time champion) - Dominated Wimbledon during a period where serve and volleyers were aplenty.

4. V. Williams (5 time champion) - Dominant in the first decade of the 21st century so far in a way that no one else has dominated the other slams. You don't see this often these days, competition is tougher.

5. Evert (3 time champion) - Gets in because she actually reached a remarkable 9 Wimbledon finals winning 3. Had she not had the greatest Wimbledon champion ever as her rival, she would've won a lot more.

Notable exclusions:

Graf (7 time champion) - 3 of them had asterisks on them because of the Monica Seles stabbing. Seles reached the Wimbledon final as an 18-year-old and proved that she was perfectly capable of competing on the surface.

Lenglen (6 time champion) - 2 out of her 6 were actually won under the challenge round system which means that she only played 1 match (the final) as the defending champion to win.

Sam L
Jun 18th, 2009, 03:44 PM
Drop it. just drop it. You're getting more and more annoying with the whole Graf thing, I don't know what's wrong with you, but being so fixated with that back-stabbing incident won't do you any good, especially given that you're so blinkered already. Really everytime you have the chance to attack whatever you don't like or agree with you find a way to bring something stupid things up which doesn't really make whatever you disapprove of look bad, it only makes you more ludicrous, you're only making a fool of yourself. We got your point already, really. Please grow up asap for the sake of yours and the others.

ETA: sorry I digress. Anyway I respect basically everyone on the list. I like both Roger's and Venus' chance this year but they are quite inconsistent (well for Roger his performance has not been as steady these years) so it's hard to tell.
Do you want to talk facts or not? I'm not someone who looks at numbers and just go WOW! :eek: I'm a historian and a tennis historian also. I like to understand the whys and hows of what happened, not just what happened. So if you don't want to discuss, don't. Stop simplifying things.

misael
Jun 18th, 2009, 03:46 PM
Co-sign. I really think that Serena and Venus are on the verge of putting on one of the best women's matches that we'll see...much like Roger and Rafa did for the men last year. I also think that Roger is ready to add to his history - not only win #15, but become one of the few players to complete the French/Wimbledon double. That's history too. It's going to be an exciting fortnight!
Yeah but Rafa did it first, last year. I rather have Both Rafa and Venus to repeat from last year.

friendsita
Jun 18th, 2009, 03:47 PM
V will win this year!

Dave.
Jun 18th, 2009, 03:48 PM
Why the f*ck is John Inverdale on the panel? :rolls: :weirdo: :o



It's silly to put asteriks over Graf's titles, she won them still beating some of her main rivals. IMO only someone totally biased against her for whatever reason would use the Seles stabbing as a reason to not count her 1993, 1995, 1996 victories. Graf was clearly the best on grass in the 90's, with or without Seles. Perhaps there is an argument for her other victories in 93, but not Wimbledon.

vwfan
Jun 18th, 2009, 08:19 PM
Hoping for a Roger-Venus win!

Nadal seems to be injured and a bit burned out. And Venus' greatest competition is Serena and with those two who knows????

Serena stopped Venus from three-peating the last time, so Venus better come out like she did against Sharapova in 2005. . .

(no bling, not even earrings) ready to do battle and say that there "ain't no one taking that Venus rosewater dish home but ME!"

Helen Lawson
Jun 18th, 2009, 08:34 PM
Getting No. 6 is not ahead of the women who have 7, 8, and 9 titles! Roger still needs a couple of more, too. He'll probably get them. Venus could get 9, tough to tell.

Tennisstar86
Jun 18th, 2009, 08:46 PM
I'm pulling for Venus shes on the verge to Tie two of Martina's records in 2012 6 Wimbledons in a row and 9 wimbledon titles.... I think itd be a good note to retire on... after she wins the olympics at Wimbledon...

Im not sure about Federer... he claims he has no pressure yet, but im feeling he might choke... just like i knew nadal would the french... If Federer doesnt win.... Im shocked to say I'm picking Roddick...

faboozadoo15
Jun 18th, 2009, 08:51 PM
I'm pulling for Venus shes on the verge to Tie two of Martina's records in 2012

:spit:

LDVTennis
Jun 18th, 2009, 10:20 PM
Do you want to talk facts or not? I'm not someone who looks at numbers and just go WOW! :eek: I'm a historian and a tennis historian also. I like to understand the whys and hows of what happened, not just what happened. So if you don't want to discuss, don't. Stop simplifying things.

Tennis historian? :confused:

More like tennis idiot... --- :lol::lol::lol:

LDVTennis
Jun 18th, 2009, 10:23 PM
Notable exclusions:

Graf (7 time champion) - 3 of them had asterisks on them because of the Monica Seles stabbing. Seles reached the Wimbledon final as an 18-year-old and proved that she was perfectly capable of competing on the surface.

Here is what it says next to that asterisk --- * Played while Seles was fat.

--- :p

gg
Jun 18th, 2009, 11:21 PM
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MistyGrey
Jun 18th, 2009, 11:29 PM
Here's my Top 5:

1. Navratilova (9 time champion) - incredible record not just in wins but as a finalist too.

2. Wills (8 time champion) - Finalist in first year and won every single on thereafter for a period of about 10 years.

3. King (6 time champion) - Dominated Wimbledon during a period where serve and volleyers were aplenty.

4. V. Williams (5 time champion) - Dominant in the first decade of the 21st century so far in a way that no one else has dominated the other slams. You don't see this often these days, competition is tougher.

5. Evert (3 time champion) - Gets in because she actually reached a remarkable 9 Wimbledon finals winning 3. Had she not had the greatest Wimbledon champion ever as her rival, she would've won a lot more.

Notable exclusions:

Graf (7 time champion) - 3 of them had asterisks on them because of the Monica Seles stabbing. Seles reached the Wimbledon final as an 18-year-old and proved that she was perfectly capable of competing on the surface.

Lenglen (6 time champion) - 2 out of her 6 were actually won under the challenge round system which means that she only played 1 match (the final) as the defending champion to win.


:spit: Seles won a total of 4 games on grass against Graf.. Thats 1 game per set.... Never beat Graf on a fast surface, never took more than 2 games in a set on grass against Graf...but then again... who cares what you think... so yea put as many asteriks as u want! :wavey:

Dunlop1
Jun 18th, 2009, 11:52 PM
Here's my Top 5:

1. Navratilova (9 time champion) - incredible record not just in wins but as a finalist too.

2. Wills (8 time champion) - Finalist in first year and won every single on thereafter for a period of about 10 years.


Your post made sense up till this point.
Everything else after that is
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