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gopher
Jun 18th, 2009, 09:25 AM
I mean her schedule is infernal, on grass Nottingham, Birmingham, Ordina & soon Wimbledon, just after finishing an incredibly intense
gravel section.

Cant be good for her, she is trying to compensate a lack of talent by stretching her limits.

DutchieGirl
Jun 18th, 2009, 09:37 AM
If she wasn't talented, she wouldn't have made the top 100 because she wouldn't win any matches - but I agree, she does play too much and her schedule is overloaded. I mean why on earth did she sign up for a $25k in the first week of Wimbledon? She's not seriously even considering playing a $25k instead of Wimby...besides if she did she'd get 0 rankings points because she is in the MD of Wimby and so it's mandatory. :unsure:

Sharapower
Jun 18th, 2009, 09:50 AM
She played 15 thus far this year which is impressive. However, there are many where she didn't go far in the draw.
For someone 'untalented' she's not doing too bad, IMO.
Maybe the 3 grass-events in a row right before Wimbly is, indeed, too much, though.
Anyway I wouldn't worry too much. Players in her position have little choice but try to accumulate ranking points to keep going in the main tour, otherwise they can find themselves in a complicated financial position.

DutchieGirl
Jun 18th, 2009, 09:57 AM
Yeah, at the start of the year she wasn't playing so well, but she's been playing alot lately, and doubles this week too- she's in the semis now.

Deck
Jun 18th, 2009, 09:57 AM
it's alone her decision how much and where she wants to play:wavey:

DutchieGirl
Jun 18th, 2009, 09:59 AM
it's alone her decision how much and where she wants to play:wavey:
:wavey: So people aren't allowed to be concerned that she may burn out or get injured?

Elwin.
Jun 18th, 2009, 10:01 AM
Nina is really fit. She can handle it but i agree: she has to play less tournaments cause it's going to break her apart soon :sad:

She really shouldn't play itf's anymore. She definetly can handle the wta level

KournikovaFan91
Jun 18th, 2009, 10:01 AM
otherwise they can find themselves in a complicated financial position.


Well she has had to take 2 rather unnecessary flights by playing Birmingham and Ordina. So money mustn't be a major issue for her.

DutchieGirl
Jun 18th, 2009, 10:03 AM
Well she has had to take 2 rather unnecessary flights by playing Birmingham and Ordina. So money mustn't be a major issue for her.
:lol: That's not really a good example though - it's like a 1 hour flight from England to NL. :lol: It's not gonna cost her THAT much. ;)

Deck
Jun 18th, 2009, 10:05 AM
:wavey: So people aren't allowed to be concerned that she may burn out or get injured?

exactly, because there's no way people know better than herself how much she can take

Corswandt
Jun 18th, 2009, 10:06 AM
Nina is really fit. She can handle it but i agree: she has to play less tournaments cause it's going to break her apart soon :sad:

She really shouldn't play itf's anymore. She definetly can handle the wta level

If Wickmayer plays a schedule built around upper tier ("Premier") WTA events, she'll be crashing out first or second round most of the time, and it's very difficult to keep some kind of form when you're losing so often and not getting to play that many matches, not to mention how damaging it must be to one's confidence. Vesnina did that for years (had negative W/L records in several seasons, yet still kept her ranking hovering around #50-65), but she's an exception.

Shanna
Jun 18th, 2009, 10:12 AM
Maybe it is a bit much lately, but I think after Wimbledon, she will take a break, or at least play less tournaments.

The Crow
Jun 18th, 2009, 10:16 AM
I agree, she should skip itf tournaments. She doesn't have to play all high tier wta events, mix it a little bit with low tier ones and take enough rest now and then.

Sharapower
Jun 18th, 2009, 10:19 AM
Well she has had to take 2 rather unnecessary flights by playing Birmingham and Ordina. So money mustn't be a major issue for her.
That's not really the point. She's ranked 70 currently, that allows her direct entry to some WTA tournaments (that pay a lot more than ITF's). Would she drop out of the top 100 (which can happen quite fast when you're ranked "only" 70), it would be a big loss of income.

Svennovitch
Jun 18th, 2009, 10:33 AM
It's thanks to the itf's she is playing again at a decent level. At the beginning of the year she lost her confidence and built it back from itf-level.

In the first week of grass season there aren't any grass tournaments, so if she wanted to play, she had to play Nothingham.

She just needs a lot of matches to play confidently.

DutchieGirl
Jun 18th, 2009, 10:39 AM
exactly, because there's no way people know better than herself how much she can take
Right, because there are no examples of players burning out in the past, or being injured from playing too much and putting too much pressure on their bodies? Come on. People ARE allowed to be concerned. Yes Nina knows her body, but sometimes players DO push themselves too hard, and so it's natural that people may be concerned.

Tennis Ball
Jun 18th, 2009, 12:22 PM
She had a bad experience with Glen Schaap and he ruined the start of her year. He tried to fundamentally change her game and make a defensive player out of her (how medieval can you be :cuckoo:). She broke up with him and the day after hit a 1000 serves to get her own serve back f.i. She had to re-change her game back to her own, in the meanwhile debuting to the WTA. So she's just been consolidating her game basically and discovering herself in a sense, also taking the next step in her career. In the meantime she's been coached by Carlos Rodrigues in Justine's academy, but since Carlos can't travel along with her that relationship more or less broke up too, we don't know for sure yet. So she and her father decided to calm down the situation and for now travel together without a coach, in order to getting things back to the basics I guess and start from there. Consolidate this first and later on take a coach again, to perhaps take her game to the next level. She is just starting her career and gaining match experience.
I have to say I think this thread is weird, as Yanina is no exception from someone who is just starting her career and playing WTA's for the first time (+ after coaching-turmoil in her case), even more so since it's just been for such a short time that's she's played these tourns in a row, why complain? Why she played the ITF is just because she was registered and thought why not play, it's fun and usefull.
Also relevent here, because talent has been brought up, Yanina touched a tennis racquet for the very first time when she was already 9 years of age (today we're 10 years ahead). Her talent was recognized immediately by Bolletieri who invited her for a contract (something different from inviting yourself which is more usual nowadays) when she was 10, which she declined btw because of sort of home sickness because of her mother had just died. Still, she's been coached by him for three years and at 13went back to Belgium. But like Yanina says herself: I'm no Justine or Kim.
I expect she and her father will make a more conscious planning of the tournies soon, they were just thinking: lets play some tournies and see what happens I think.

Tennis Ball
Jun 18th, 2009, 12:23 PM
Right, because there are no examples of players burning out in the past, or being injured from playing too much and putting too much pressure on their bodies? Come on. People ARE allowed to be concerned. Yes Nina knows her body, but sometimes players DO push themselves too hard, and so it's natural that people may be concerned.

I don't believe for a second that you're concerned.

Corswandt
Jun 18th, 2009, 02:12 PM
She had a bad experience with Glen Schaap and he ruined the start of her year. He tried to fundamentally change her game and make a defensive player out of her (how medieval can you be :cuckoo:).

What's with these big name coaches, all trying to convert the players they guide into pushers?

She broke up with him and the day after hit a 1000 serves to get her own serve back f.i. She had to re-change her game back to her own, in the meanwhile debuting to the WTA. So she's just been consolidating her game basically and discovering herself in a sense, also taking the next step in her career. In the meantime she's been coached by Carlos Rodrigues in Justine's academy, but since Carlos can't travel along with her that relationship more or less broke up too, we don't know for sure yet. So she and her father decided to calm down the situation and for now travel together without a coach, in order to getting things back to the basics I guess and start from there. Consolidate this first and later on take a coach again, to perhaps take her game to the next level. She is just starting her career and gaining match experience.
I have to say I think this thread is weird, as Yanina is no exception from someone who is just starting her career and playing WTA's for the first time (+ after coaching-turmoil in her case), even more so since it's just been for such a short time that's she's played these tourns in a row, why complain? Why she played the ITF is just because she was registered and thought why not play, it's fun and usefull.
Also relevent here, because talent has been brought up, Yanina touched a tennis racquet for the very first time when she was already 9 years of age (today we're 10 years ahead). Her talent was recognized immediately by Bolletieri who invited her for a contract (something different from inviting yourself which is more usual nowadays) when she was 10, which she declined btw because of sort of home sickness because of her mother had just died. Still, she's been coached by him for three years and at 13went back to Belgium. But like Yanina says herself: I'm no Justine or Kim.
I expect she and her father will make a more conscious planning of the tournies soon, they were just thinking: lets play some tournies and see what happens I think.

Thanks for the background info.

So the man in the garish Le Coq Sportif clothes who scribbled point-by-point notes in hand drawn tables that I saw here at the Estoril Open was her father.

I remember that Wickmayer improved her ranking by about 100 places by going into the Far East in late 2007 and playing a bunch of depleted Challengers there. So entering ITFs to work her way up the rankings and play herself into better form has worked before.

I think it makes sense for her to play as many matches on grass as possible - it's the surface where the rock solid consistency of her serving, perhaps her main asset, can make a difference.

As she is now, Wickmayer ranks as a C-list power hitter who plays a very simple game. Somewhat similar in terms of game style and overall skill level to Shvedova (tall power baseliners with surprisingly good movement and good serves; Wickmayer, unlike Shvedova, has a good FH, and Shvedova is handier with the cute stuff, but the basics are the same), but Wickmayer is more consistent. I'm not surprised that Nick B. appreciated her natural ballstriking skills, but, like Wickmayer herself apparently, I think that her potential is nevertheless limited.

I don't believe for a second that you're concerned.

:lol:

I find your relentless grumpiness amusing - until I find it directed against me, at least.

Uranium
Jun 18th, 2009, 02:23 PM
I don't think she plays a lot, especially considering her bad start to the year. Going off from Tennis Ball said, she is trying to build confidence in her game again and is doing so. As for the 4 grass events in a row, well she lost early at RG and likes grass, so she wants to play as much as she can on it and do as well as she can on the short grass season. She is 9-2 on grass already this season:hearts:

DutchieGirl
Jun 18th, 2009, 02:26 PM
I don't believe for a second that you're concerned.
And why not? I never bagged Nina in this thread - in fact I said she must have talent to be in the top 100 when someone said she had a lack of talent, so wtf are you on about? :scratch: All I said was that she DOES seem to be playing a hell of alot lately...which is true. What should I say then? Go ahead and play 50 tournaments in a year and become injured and have to take the next 6 months off? :cuckoo:

youizahoe
Jun 18th, 2009, 03:05 PM
It's ok her schedule, sub top 50 averagely does 30 events or more, when she's ranked higher and performs more consistently she'll drop the heave load for a smarter schedule :)

jimbo mack
Jun 18th, 2009, 03:17 PM
she's super fit, the size of her back muscles a man would be proud of

but even the fittest get burnt out playing week in and out

alwayshingis
Jun 18th, 2009, 03:47 PM
I don't have a problem with her playing tons right now because clearly grass is where she has a ton of success. It seems natural for her to load up her schedule with as many grass court events as possible.

I don't think you can just judge burnout solely on number of tournaments, because every player is different. I don't see the effects of fatigue in her game, at least so far. (Of course, if she crashes out in the first round of Wimbledon looking silly, maybe I will change my tune).

Optima
Jun 18th, 2009, 03:51 PM
She seems fit enough...I'm sure she knows her limits.

Anyway, love Yanina. I think she's really talented.

juki
Jun 18th, 2009, 04:01 PM
I remember when she first rose up the rankings quickly, she played like 8 ITFs in a row in Asia, reaching at least the SFs every single week. There was a quote from her saying she plays her best with this type of schedule because she can get into a groove and sustain her form. If she properly rests and recuperates in the breaks she has scheduled, which is extremely important, she will be fine physically. Playing tournaments in mini-blocks is probably a smart idea.