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Dawn Marie
Jun 18th, 2009, 12:29 AM
Wimby, IS CHEATING FOR MARIA. :(:(:(

Miss Amor
Jun 18th, 2009, 12:31 AM
If you think that is cheating, wait till you see the draw :haha:

slamchamp
Jun 18th, 2009, 12:33 AM
Larry Scott needs FIRED!!!11

HRHoliviasmith
Jun 18th, 2009, 12:33 AM
everyone's been waiting for you Dawn Marie :lol:

Dawn Marie
Jun 18th, 2009, 12:34 AM
Oh the draw is going to be hilarious. U all know I'm rooting for a Masha loss based on the bias favoritism.

mdterp01
Jun 18th, 2009, 12:55 AM
And what exactly has Maria done at Wimbledon lately to deserve that bump?

Daniela-Is-Mine
Jun 18th, 2009, 01:06 AM
Glad you finally admitted it :lol:

:worship::lol:

slamchamp
Jun 18th, 2009, 01:08 AM
great white hope:hearts:

sasha&tennis
Jun 18th, 2009, 01:21 AM
I am really pissed now. This is not fair. It is flat out wrong. Maria Sharapova has done nothing lately to deserve such a bump. Venus
Williams was ranked in the 30s & they only moved her to 20 something & Maria is 59 & they moved her to 24. H$LL NOOOO!!!!!! I will be complaining to the wta, wimbledon & everyone else. Right is right & wrong is wrong.

kris719
Jun 18th, 2009, 01:30 AM
well Maria was well over 100, had a great run in paris and a decent showing at birmingham. has now jumped to 59. she deserves to be considered but I do feel bad for whoever got knocked out because of her.

danieln1
Jun 18th, 2009, 01:31 AM
Maria has all the right to be seeded, shes a 2 time semi and a champion... you can complain all that you want, but its a fair decision, and shes a star and will bring money to the tournament!

Honestly, her seeded is much deserved, and she will do more damage at the tournament than the higher seeds, like Elena, Jelena, even Safina and Ana...

Melly Flew Us
Jun 18th, 2009, 01:35 AM
If you think that is cheating, wait till you see the draw :haha:
lolz! :lol:

Melly Flew Us
Jun 18th, 2009, 01:37 AM
Glad you finally admitted it :lol:
actually, that isn't funny.

nelsondan
Jun 18th, 2009, 01:41 AM
So...what would happen if maria said..."this is not right. Bump me down, please."

Would they do so?

Bondarenko beat her in Warsaw---but did not do nearly as well as maria the next week in a grand slam.

21st century civilization will not be seriously altered by this.

mckyle.
Jun 18th, 2009, 01:46 AM
actually, that isn't funny.

Sometimes truth isn't funny :shrug:

LightWarrior
Jun 18th, 2009, 01:46 AM
Madonna performing at Wimbledon. Who cares if she's not what she used to be. She's still Madonna, oops, I mean Maria !

Kipling
Jun 18th, 2009, 01:48 AM
Wimby, IS CHEATING FOR MARIA. :(:(:(

You're either a moron, a hypocrite, a complete ignoramus, a black racist or some combination of the above. Or do you also think that Wimbledon cheated for Venus Williams a few years back by seeding her above her ranking?

Grow up.

tennnisfannn
Jun 18th, 2009, 01:57 AM
The only legitimate arguement to this thread is why Mauresmo did not get seeded last year.

LightWarrior
Jun 18th, 2009, 02:03 AM
The only legitimate arguement to this thread is why Mauresmo did not get seeded last year.

Because Wimbledon officials are gay, do not like lesbians but adore icons.

Rocketta
Jun 18th, 2009, 02:09 AM
do you have to create a separate thread? :confused:

FoxyliciousKhat
Jun 18th, 2009, 02:09 AM
ROFL @ this thread. I have never agreed with meddling with the rankings but hey my fave has benefited from it so.

I would only disagree here because Maria has not done great here, the last two years but she's a past champ so...And I'm sure players feel better knowing they can probably only face her in the 2nd week and not the first.

Foxy

ikarinokami
Jun 18th, 2009, 02:09 AM
maria got the bump because she's hot and popular, the press love her, the crowd is awed by her. it was a business decision. But sports are a big bussiness so i'm not going to be too hard on them. they hold the tournament to crown the best and make money, and maria helps them make lots of money. A williams sister s/f or finals will draw insane ratings like last year, and since the earliest they can meet is the s/f i kind of understand the committe on this.

LightWarrior
Jun 18th, 2009, 02:17 AM
maria got the bump because she's hot and popular, the press love her, the crowd is awed by her. it was a business decision. But sports are a big bussiness so i'm not going to be too hard on them. they hold the tournament to crown the best and make money, and maria helps them make lots of money. A williams sister s/f or finals will draw insane ratings like last year, and since the earliest they can meet is the s/f i kind of understand the committe on this.

Kournikova was also hot and sexy and never won a tournament. Safina is not hot nor sexy, has a belly and a horrible outfit, has such a boring game to watch : she should be bumped down to #100.

sasha&tennis
Jun 18th, 2009, 02:18 AM
You're either a moron, a hypocrite, a complete ignoramus, a black racist or some combination of the above. Or do you also think that Wimbledon cheated for Venus Williams a few years back by seeding her above her ranking?

Grow up.

It is cheating for Maria. It is flat out unfair. Below is the 2007 run for Venus who at that time was a 3 time wimbly champ and they moved her from # 31 to # 23, a 3 time champ & at 2 time finalist. But they have the nerve to move Maria from 59 to 24 this year & she has only won it once. They only moved Venus in 2007 8 spaces up but this year they are moving Maria 35 spaces up how in the h$ll is that fair? They have basically moved Maria 4x higher as a one time champ with 2 semi-finals than they moved Venus at that time a 3 time champ & 2 time finalist. But they can move Maria that high & not move Venus to #1 this year & she is now a 5 time champion & a 2 time finalist. That is just wrong.

It is not called growing up it is more like open your eyes because this is obvious & wrong.

WIMBLEDON 2007
WIMBLEDONSee all 2007 results for WILLIAMS (http://www.sonyericssonwtatour.com/page/Player/Activity/0,,12781~9027,00.html#playerProfileTop) GS, GREAT BRITAIN, June 25 2007, $9,221,372, GRASS (O)
Draw: 128M/128q/64d, Rank: 31 Seed/entry: 23/

RndOpponentRankW/LScoreR128H2H (http://www.sonyericssonwtatour.com/page/HeadToHead/0,,12781~9027~10164,00.html) KUDRYAVTSEVA, ALLA (http://www.sonyericssonwtatour.com/page/Player/Info/0,,12781~10164,00.html) (RUS)59W2-6 6-3 7-5 R64H2H (http://www.sonyericssonwtatour.com/page/HeadToHead/0,,12781~9027~7650,00.html) SROMOVA, HANA (http://www.sonyericssonwtatour.com/page/Player/Info/0,,12781~7650,00.html) (CZE)170W6-2 6-2 R32H2H (http://www.sonyericssonwtatour.com/page/HeadToHead/0,,12781~9027~5492,00.html) MORIGAMI, AKIKO (http://www.sonyericssonwtatour.com/page/Player/Info/0,,12781~5492,00.html) (JPN)71W6-2 3-6 7-5 R16H2H (http://www.sonyericssonwtatour.com/page/HeadToHead/0,,12781~9027~9499,00.html) (2) SHARAPOVA, MARIA (http://www.sonyericssonwtatour.com/page/Player/Info/0,,12781~9499,00.html) (RUS)2W6-1 6-3 QH2H (http://www.sonyericssonwtatour.com/page/HeadToHead/0,,12781~9027~4467,00.html) (5) KUZNETSOVA, SVETLANA (http://www.sonyericssonwtatour.com/page/Player/Info/0,,12781~4467,00.html) (RUS)5W6-3 6-4 SH2H (http://www.sonyericssonwtatour.com/page/HeadToHead/0,,12781~9027~10999,00.html) (6) IVANOVIC, ANA (http://www.sonyericssonwtatour.com/page/Player/Info/0,,12781~10999,00.html) (SRB)6W6-2 6-4 FH2H (http://www.sonyericssonwtatour.com/page/HeadToHead/0,,12781~9027~1007,00.html) (18) BARTOLI, MARION (http://www.sonyericssonwtatour.com/page/Player/Info/0,,12781~1007,00.html) (FRA)19W6-4 6-1 WTA Championship Pts: 1000 WTA Ranking Pts: 1000 Prize Money: $1,304,834

ikarinokami
Jun 18th, 2009, 02:22 AM
Kournikova was also hot and sexy and never won a tournament. Safina is not hot nor sexy, has a belly and a horrible outfit, has such a boring game to watch : she should be bumped down to #100.

unfortunately kornikova did not give them the excuse to do it. Maria has a pretty good grass record, and thanks to venus's dominance, is one of only a handfull of women to hold the title this decade. Safina not being bumped is also politics, the WTA would throw a fit, and most likely we would hear top players saying they would skip wimbledon (which is a load of BS, it's the most prestigous tournament,, but i understand thier threat, and i understand the tournament not wanting to call thier bluff, as it would make the tournament look bigger than the game and i dont think the committee wants that.

sasha&tennis
Jun 18th, 2009, 02:29 AM
First of all I would like to start by saying that I did vote on a poll that I felt that Maria should be moved up but this is too much. It is cheating for Maria. It is flat out unfair. Below is the 2007 run for Venus who at that time was a 3 time wimbly champ and they moved her from # 31 to # 23, a 3 time champ & at 2 time finalist. But they have the nerve to move Maria from 59 to 24 this year & she has only won it once. They only moved Venus in 2007 8 spaces up but this year they are moving Maria 35 spaces up how in the h$ll is that fair? They have basically moved Maria 4x higher as a one time champ with 2 semi-finals than they moved Venus at that time a 3 time champ & 2 time finalist, not to mention that Venus went on to win it again in 2007. But they can move Maria that high & not move Venus to #1 this year & she is now a 5 time champion & a 2 time finalist. That is just wrong.




WIMBLEDON 2007
WIMBLEDONSee all 2007 results for WILLIAMS (http://www.sonyericssonwtatour.com/page/Player/Activity/0,,12781~9027,00.html#playerProfileTop) GS, GREAT BRITAIN, June 25 2007, $9,221,372, GRASS (O)
Draw: 128M/128q/64d, Rank: 31 Seed/entry: 23/

RndOpponentRankW/LScoreR128H2H (http://www.sonyericssonwtatour.com/page/HeadToHead/0,,12781~9027~10164,00.html) KUDRYAVTSEVA, ALLA (http://www.sonyericssonwtatour.com/page/Player/Info/0,,12781~10164,00.html) (RUS)59W2-6 6-3 7-5 R64H2H (http://www.sonyericssonwtatour.com/page/HeadToHead/0,,12781~9027~7650,00.html) SROMOVA, HANA (http://www.sonyericssonwtatour.com/page/Player/Info/0,,12781~7650,00.html) (CZE)170W6-2 6-2 R32H2H (http://www.sonyericssonwtatour.com/page/HeadToHead/0,,12781~9027~5492,00.html) MORIGAMI, AKIKO (http://www.sonyericssonwtatour.com/page/Player/Info/0,,12781~5492,00.html) (JPN)71W6-2 3-6 7-5 R16H2H (http://www.sonyericssonwtatour.com/page/HeadToHead/0,,12781~9027~9499,00.html) (2) SHARAPOVA, MARIA (http://www.sonyericssonwtatour.com/page/Player/Info/0,,12781~9499,00.html) (RUS)2W6-1 6-3 QH2H (http://www.sonyericssonwtatour.com/page/HeadToHead/0,,12781~9027~4467,00.html) (5) KUZNETSOVA, SVETLANA (http://www.sonyericssonwtatour.com/page/Player/Info/0,,12781~4467,00.html) (RUS)5W6-3 6-4 SH2H (http://www.sonyericssonwtatour.com/page/HeadToHead/0,,12781~9027~10999,00.html) (6) IVANOVIC, ANA (http://www.sonyericssonwtatour.com/page/Player/Info/0,,12781~10999,00.html) (SRB)6W6-2 6-4 FH2H (http://www.sonyericssonwtatour.com/page/HeadToHead/0,,12781~9027~1007,00.html) (18) BARTOLI, MARION (http://www.sonyericssonwtatour.com/page/Player/Info/0,,12781~1007,00.html) (FRA)19W6-4 6-1 WTA Championship Pts: 1000 WTA Ranking Pts: 1000 Prize Money: $1,304,834

Volcana
Jun 18th, 2009, 02:33 AM
Do you think Sharapova is one of the best 25 players on grass or not.

canuckfan
Jun 18th, 2009, 02:35 AM
I think you missed the 5 other threads on this subject :wavey:

Nice maths by the way. You should make it into an algebra problem.

SelesFan70
Jun 18th, 2009, 02:45 AM
You're either a moron, a hypocrite, a complete ignoramus, a black racist or some combination of the above. Or do you also think that Wimbledon cheated for Venus Williams a few years back by seeding her above her ranking?

Grow up.

All of the above...definitely all of the above.

RenaSlam.
Jun 18th, 2009, 02:45 AM
A Williams will still win the title, so whatever. Who gives a sh-t.

WIMBLY2004
Jun 18th, 2009, 02:53 AM
Double posting, haven't you post the same thing here already?

http://www.tennisforum.com/showpost.php?p=15892629&postcount=25

Mikey.
Jun 18th, 2009, 02:55 AM
:yawn:

RenaSlam.
Jun 18th, 2009, 02:55 AM
Dawn Marie, so bitter. Just shut up. Please.

sasha&tennis
Jun 18th, 2009, 02:59 AM
Double posting, haven't you post the same thing here already?

http://www.tennisforum.com/showpost.php?p=15892629&postcount=25

Sorry but I needed a personal thread to discuss this. Because I cannot believe how wrong this is. Yes Sharapova should be moved up but not by this big a margin. That is unfair no matter how you look at it. As I have also mentioned before, they have opened pandora's box with this one. This is really going to hit the fan.

Tennisstar86
Jun 18th, 2009, 03:00 AM
well, I think it was retarded of the ALL england club to give her the 24th seed and heres why... Venus was bumped up to #23 why? because the way the seedings WORK 23 put her one place ahead of the lowest bracket for seeding.... basically being 24-32 gives you the same "chances" in the draw..... If they WANTED to seed her they should have just put her as the #32 seed. I think it would have cause less of an uproar...

Williamsser
Jun 18th, 2009, 03:04 AM
well, I think it was retarded of the ALL england club to give her the 24th seed and heres why... Venus was bumped up to #23 why? because the way the seedings WORK 23 put her one place ahead of the lowest bracket for seeding.... basically being 24-32 gives you the same "chances" in the draw..... If they WANTED to seed her they should have just put her as the #32 seed. I think it would have cause less of an uproar...

They love Maria, hate Venus.

mckyle.
Jun 18th, 2009, 03:04 AM
The only legitimate arguement to this thread is why Mauresmo did not get seeded last year.

No such argument exists because Mauresmo was seeded last year.

Tennisstar86
Jun 18th, 2009, 03:05 AM
maria got the bump because she's hot and popular, the press love her, the crowd is awed by her. it was a business decision. But sports are a big bussiness so i'm not going to be too hard on them. they hold the tournament to crown the best and make money, and maria helps them make lots of money. A williams sister s/f or finals will draw insane ratings like last year, and since the earliest they can meet is the s/f i kind of understand the committe on this.

Is Maria really that popular in england with the fans.... I really dont get the impression they like her that much since they always talk about how loud she is....

Kenny
Jun 18th, 2009, 03:06 AM
I think it's a little ridiculous, too.

Sharapower
Jun 18th, 2009, 03:08 AM
Kournikova was also hot and sexy and never won a tournament. Safina is not hot nor sexy, has a belly and a horrible outfit, has such a boring game to watch : she should be bumped down to #100.
:haha:

Tennisstar86
Jun 18th, 2009, 03:09 AM
They love Maria, hate Venus.

why are you quoting me?:confused: Your reply makes no sense to what i wrote.....

Basically Maria went from being unseeded to the next seeding bracket...

In 2007 Venus went from being in the last seeding bracket 24-32 to the next one 16-23

your reply = failure....

ikarinokami
Jun 18th, 2009, 03:12 AM
Is Maria really that popular in england with the fans.... I really dont get the impression they like her that much since they always talk about how loud she is....

it's like that line in the howard stern movie, about how the people who most complained about him were the ones who were listening the most.

Wannabeknowitall
Jun 18th, 2009, 03:13 AM
You should be happy she's not higher.
Honestly they could have put her up to a 16th seed if they wanted to.
They did what was fair in my opinion.

Sharapower
Jun 18th, 2009, 03:14 AM
(...) Venus who at that time was a 3 time wimbly champ and they moved her from # 31 to # 23, a 3 time champ & at 2 time finalist. But they have the nerve to move Maria from 59 to 24 this year & she has only won it once. They only moved Venus in 2007 8 spaces up but this year they are moving Maria 35 spaces up how in the h$ll is that fair? They have basically moved Maria 4x higher as a one time champ with 2 semi-finals than they moved Venus at that time a 3 time champ & 2 time finalist. But they can move Maria that high & not move Venus to #1 this year & she is now a 5 time champion & a 2 time finalist. That is just wrong.
That's not relevant. The only rationale of bumping a "big gun" in the seeding is to avoid a clash between top contenders too early in the tournament. The draw system is that seeds 1-8 play seeds 25-32 in the 3rd round. That's why they moved Venus from 31 to 23, that's why they seed Maria at 24.

spiritedenergy
Jun 18th, 2009, 03:22 AM
why are you quoting me?:confused: Your reply makes no sense to what i wrote.....

Basically Maria went from being unseeded to the next seeding bracket...

In 2007 Venus went from being in the last seeding bracket 24-32 to the next one 16-23

your reply = failure....

23 and 24 are in the same "bracket"... your post = EPIC FAIL:lol:

canuckfan
Jun 18th, 2009, 03:24 AM
why are you quoting me?:confused: Your reply makes no sense to what i wrote.....

Basically Maria went from being unseeded to the next seeding bracket...

In 2007 Venus went from being in the last seeding bracket 24-32 to the next one 16-23

your reply = failure....

24th is part of the third seeding bracket:

First bracket: 1-8
Second bracket: 9-16
Third bracket: 17-24
Fourth bracket: 25-32

ikarinokami
Jun 18th, 2009, 03:24 AM
That's not relevant. The only rationale of bumping a "big gun" in the seeding is to avoid a clash between top contenders too early in the tournament. The draw system is that seeds 1-8 play seeds 25-32 in the 3rd round. That's why they moved Venus from 31 to 23, that's why they seed Maria at 24.

The biggest arguement against this, is that when they went to this new rule, they swore that no one in the top 32 would be lose thier seeding. Would they break their own rule for venus, i don't think so, more likely she would be unseeded much like serena was at the AO a few years back.

LeonHart
Jun 18th, 2009, 03:27 AM
I bet Maria will draw Vera in the 3rd round, or maybe Petrova again :angel:

!Gio!
Jun 18th, 2009, 03:29 AM
She deserves her seed no matter what her ranking is, she is a Wimbledon champ and a threat on this surface at all times just like Venus:)

ikarinokami
Jun 18th, 2009, 03:34 AM
She deserves her seed no matter what her ranking is, she is a Wimbledon champ and a threat on this surface at all times just like Venus:)

woa, slow down, she has one it 1 time, the same as amelia. She has gotten thrash by venus 2 twice, got embrassed in 2008. its been 5 years since she won, how long does she get to live off of that? venus on the other hand has won it 5 times, 2 twice back to back, has only lost to her sisters, has been 7 of the last nine FINALS. there are threats and then they are threat, in no universe is sharapova comparable to venus at wimbeldon.

Gumbycat
Jun 18th, 2009, 03:34 AM
If they can move Maria to the 24th Seed, then they should move Venus to 1st Seed and Serena stays 2nd Seed. I will wait to see if the Williams Sisters are on the Same Side of the Draw. If they are, then I will be very upset at this move.

DO IT RIGHT OR DON'T SCREW WITH THE RANKINGS. On Grass, Venus and Serena are the top two players in the world.

Slammer7
Jun 18th, 2009, 03:35 AM
I bet Maria will draw Vera in the 3rd round, or maybe Petrova again :angel:

She can't actually. That's the whole point of putting her 24 instead of 32, because she will meat 9-16 in the 3rd round not 1-8. ;)

!Gio!
Jun 18th, 2009, 03:41 AM
woa, slow down, she has one it 1 time, the same as amelia. She has gotten thrash by venus 2 twice, got embrassed in 2008. its been 5 years since she won, how long does she get to live off of that? venus on the other hand has won it 5 times, 2 twice back to back, has only lost to her sisters, has been 7 of the last nine FINALS. there are threats and then they are threat, in no universe is sharapova comparable to venus at wimbeldon.

Obviously she has not achieved half of what Venus has achieved here but she is still a clear favorite behind Venus and Serena and that is obvious;)

AnomyBC
Jun 18th, 2009, 03:50 AM
16th would have been a lot better, but at least she got a seed :shrug:

espntennis
Jun 18th, 2009, 03:52 AM
That's not relevant. The only rationale of bumping a "big gun" in the seeding is to avoid a clash between top contenders too early in the tournament. The draw system is that seeds 1-8 play seeds 25-32 in the 3rd round. That's why they moved Venus from 31 to 23, that's why they seed Maria at 24.

Thank you for explaining this to everyone. Dawn Marie take notice.

Also, stop being such a hateful bitch.

Sharapower
Jun 18th, 2009, 03:58 AM
She can't actually. That's the whole point of putting her 24 instead of 32, because she will meat 9-16 in the 3rd round not 1-8. ;)
Yup I hope she will meet and meat them!! :devil:

ikarinokami
Jun 18th, 2009, 04:00 AM
Thank you for explaining this to everyone. Dawn Marie take notice.

Also, stop being such a hateful bitch.

This explaination only goes so far. Venus was ranked 31 one at the time. Maria is 59 amd by thier own rules, they issued, or at least a plain reading, observing the common rules of english grammatical construction, the top 32 seeds are not supposed lose thier rankings. They went above and beyond for maria, in way that has been unprecedended since they issued the new guidlines nearly a decade ago.

Robert-KimClijst
Jun 18th, 2009, 04:11 AM
This explaination only goes so far. Venus was ranked 31 one at the time. Maria is 59 amd by thier own rules, they issued, or at least a plain reading, observing the common rules of english grammatical construction, the top 32 seeds are not supposed lose thier rankings. They went above and beyond for maria, in way that has been unprecedended since they issued the new guidlines nearly a decade ago.

Well, think about if Venus was ranked in the 50's due to injury. Would it be fair to have her play any of the top seeded players? Or fair to her? Even though bumping one player out of her spot is unfair, it makes sense. Keeping Venus out because of that rule is ridiculous. it's the same with Maria, even if not to the same drastic degree. There can't be double standards for the rule. Sometimes hurting one player is best for the whole draw. By changing the seeding, someone is going to be screwed. :o It's as simple as that.

Bayo
Jun 18th, 2009, 04:13 AM
This explaination only goes so far. Venus was ranked 31 one at the time. Maria is 59 amd by thier own rules, they issued, or at least a plain reading, observing the common rules of english grammatical construction, the top 32 seeds are not supposed lose thier rankings. They went above and beyond for maria, in way that has been unprecedended since they issued the new guidlines nearly a decade ago.

Is this true? No WTA player has ever been moved inside the Top-32 at Wimbledon before?

Slammer7
Jun 18th, 2009, 04:22 AM
Well, think about if Venus was ranked in the 50's due to injury. Would it be fair to have her play any of the top seeded players? Or fair to her? Even though bumping one player out of her spot is unfair, it makes sense. Keeping Venus out because of that rule is ridiculous. it's the same with Maria, even if not to the same drastic degree. There can't be double standards for the rule. Sometimes hurting one player is best for the whole draw. By changing the seeding, someone is going to be screwed. :o It's as simple as that.

Oh come on, if Venus was ranked outside of the top 50 it would be as fun as hell to watch her devastate seed after seed and make a mockery of the draw. Just as it was the most fun major ever(for me)to watch an unseeded, overweight and counted out Serena beat six seeds on her way to the AO in 2007.:devil: Hell Venus wrecked the draw a bit in 07 and that was fun.:devil:

ikarinokami
Jun 18th, 2009, 04:27 AM
Well, think about if Venus was ranked in the 50's due to injury. Would it be fair to have her play any of the top seeded players? Or fair to her? Even though bumping one player out of her spot is unfair, it makes sense. Keeping Venus out because of that rule is ridiculous. it's the same with Maria, even if not to the same drastic degree. There can't be double standards for the rule. Sometimes hurting one player is best for the whole draw. By changing the seeding, someone is going to be screwed. :o It's as simple as that.

I guess, I just don't see maria being that big of a favorite. she has won it exactly one time. Has been thrashed on her way 3 of the last 4 years. I think bumping somone into the top 32 needs to used only in the most extraordinary circustances, for someone like a venus, graf, navra. I mean she hasnt been back to the finals since she won. Yes she is a good/excellent grass player, but i dont know if her current record warranted breaking a rule, I also would not think serena would warrant such a move also, for the record.

Sharapower
Jun 18th, 2009, 04:55 AM
I don't really approve the seeding granted to Maria, but I can understand it.
I just want to point out that in their approach of assessing the decision, the seeding board does not consider only Wimby records but overall "Grasscourt credentials". Maria's last showing on grass was respectable in Birmingham last week. This, plus her career achievements represent acceptable arguments to seed her.
However, it still smells favoritism and IMO it's not a good service done to Maria herself. She's capable of coming back at the top without that kind of help and, on the other hand, it's not realistic to expect a lot from her in this year's Wimbledon. Seeded or not, if she goes beyond QF's it would be a HUGE surprise.

Illusionist
Jun 18th, 2009, 04:57 AM
To be honest, I'm glad she's seeded.
I wouldn't like that my girls get her in the 1st round :P

lizchris
Jun 18th, 2009, 05:03 AM
Sharapova has no right being bumped 35 spots just to be seeded. While she has one Wimbledon slam, her results after that have been SF, SF, 4R, 2R. Just on the past two years alone, she should have been unseeded. But I don't think Wimbledon did her a favor, nor do I think she will get an easy draw.
Alona Bondarenko must be pissed off she isn't going to be seeded when she deserves to.

WIMBLY2004
Jun 18th, 2009, 05:09 AM
I don't really approve the seeding granted to Maria, but I can understand it.
I just want to point out that in their approach of assessing the decision, the seeding board does not consider only Wimby records but overall "Grasscourt credentials". Maria's last showing on grass was respectable in Birmingham last week. This, plus her career achievements represent acceptable arguments to seed her.
However, it still smells favoritism and IMO it's not a good service done to Maria herself. She's capable of coming back at the top without that kind of help and, on the other hand, it's not realistic to expect a lot from her in this year's Wimbledon. Seeded or not, if she goes beyond QF's it would be a HUGE surprise.

That's my feeling exactly :)

Maria doesn't need this to help her get back to the top and tough matches in early round may be even better for her, I don't expect her to do particularly well in Wimbledon this year anyway.

lizchris
Jun 18th, 2009, 05:10 AM
Well, think about if Venus was ranked in the 50's due to injury. Would it be fair to have her play any of the top seeded players? Or fair to her? Even though bumping one player out of her spot is unfair, it makes sense. Keeping Venus out because of that rule is ridiculous. it's the same with Maria, even if not to the same drastic degree. There can't be double standards for the rule. Sometimes hurting one player is best for the whole draw. By changing the seeding, someone is going to be screwed. :o It's as simple as that.

You argument doens't hold water when it comes to Venus because evern when she was injured, she, unlike Maria and Serena, has not been ranked outside of the top 50 since she was a teenager. In addition, when Venus was ranked 31 in 2007 (when she won her 4th Wimbledon), she was bumped up ONLY 7 spots to 24 and moved up to 23 when someone withdrew. Also, I don't remember anyone giving Serena a seed at the 2007 AO (though she was 2 time winner) and she went on to win the title, beating Maria in the 2nd most lopsided victory at the AO since the Open Era started.

Slammer7
Jun 18th, 2009, 05:14 AM
You argument doens't hold water when it comes to Venus because evern when she was injured, she, unlike Maria and Serena, has not been ranked outside of the top 50 since she was a teenager. In addition, when Venus was ranked 31 in 2007 (when she won her 4th Wimbledon), she was bumped up ONLY 7 spots to 24 and moved up to 23 when someone withdrew. Also, I don't remember anyone giving Serena a seed at the 2007 AO (though she was 2 time winner) and she went on to win the title, beating Maria in the 2nd most lopsided victory at the AO since the Open Era started.

Actually Venus fell to 54 in the rankings when she missed 8 of 13 months on the tour between January 06 and February 07. But that only lasted one week since she won her first tournament back and was back in the top 40 after that.

It's kind of interesting that she missed almost as much time than Maria overall and didn't fall nearly as far. I guess that's because she was able to play a few events in and out over that year and reached a grandslam quarterfinal and the semis of a tier 1. That really held her ranking up and kept her from falling out of the top 100.

lizchris
Jun 18th, 2009, 05:21 AM
Actually Venus fell to 54 in the rankings when she missed 8 of 13 months on the tour between January 06 and February 07. But that only lasted one week since she won her first tournament back and was back in the top 40 after that.
Thank you for the correction.

But still that was one week. Maria nd Serena fell out of the top 100.

lizchris
Jun 18th, 2009, 05:22 AM
Actually Venus fell to 54 in the rankings when she missed 8 of 13 months on the tour between January 06 and February 07. But that only lasted one week since she won her first tournament back and was back in the top 40 after that.

It's kind of interesting that she missed almost as much time than Maria overall and didn't fall nearly as far. I guess that's because she was able to play a few events in and out over that year and reached a grandslam quarterfinal and the semis of a tier 1. That really held her ranking up and kept her from falling out of the top 100.

That's because she is a better and more consistent player.

Slammer7
Jun 18th, 2009, 05:26 AM
That's because she is a better and more consistent player.

:hug:

Sharapower
Jun 18th, 2009, 05:26 AM
Also, I don't remember anyone giving Serena a seed at the 2007 AO (though she was 2 time winner) and she went on to win the title, beating Maria in the 2nd most lopsided victory at the AO since the Open Era started.
You can't compare with the AO. The surface-based seeding adjustments is a Wimbledon thingy only.

Szczecin
Jun 18th, 2009, 05:32 AM
You know what would really be hilarious ...?



Wimbledon 1R: A. Bondarenko(UKR) def. (24)M. Sharapova(RUS) 6-2 6-2...


Justice... ! :lol:

beriadan
Jun 18th, 2009, 06:13 AM
You know what would really be hilarious ...?



Wimbledon 1R: A. Bondarenko(UKR) def. (24)M. Sharapova(RUS) 6-2 6-2...


Justice... ! :lol:

You'll be eating your words when Maria blows seed after seed off the court.

MyskinaManiac
Jun 18th, 2009, 06:24 AM
I hope when Nastya returns from "injury" she too gets a magical seeding at Wimbledon. Nastya has a mean grass court record, plus she's pretty sexually persuasive... so I've heard.

KanSuke
Jun 18th, 2009, 06:25 AM
Whatever.

denny47
Jun 18th, 2009, 06:31 AM
before talking about "CHEATING" why did not try to understand what does that mean in legal terms? If the rules are not broken no one can talk about "CHEATING". No rules were broken in listing the seeds. So any talk about "CHEATING" is a stupidity and shows low level of knowledge and understanding how the sport is managed.

kris719
Jun 18th, 2009, 06:33 AM
25 Kaia KANEPI (EST)
26 Virginie RAZZANO (FRA)
27 Alisa KLEYBANOVA (RUS)
28 Sorana CIRSTEA (ROU)
29 Sybille BAMMER (AUT)
30 Agnes SZAVAY (HUN)
31 Anastasia PAVLYUCHENKOVA (RUS)
32 Anna CHAKVETADZE (RUS)

seriously? Maria could beat the players seeded below her in her sleep. if anything, she's not seeded high enough. schnyder? cornet? please.

Junex
Jun 18th, 2009, 07:28 AM
Does it matter to players where they are seeded in a Grand Slam?
In GS there is no byes, and time and time again we are proven that seeding doesn't necessarily equates to success. There are always upsets and only a very few GS in recent years that features 75% (12 out of 16) of seeded players in the 2nd week.

IF I were a fan of the WS & Maria, Seeding wouldn't even bother me at all because I know their capability. That seeded or not, when they are healthy, one could touch them except the elite few.

So whats with the seeding, It doesn't benefit the players at all, seeding are there to guarantee the organizers a blockbuster forth night featuring top players, but even that is not a 100%.

If a player is good and healthy, she always plays to her ability... If she deserves to win the title, it doesn't matter what round she will have to face the top players, she have to defeat them.... After all there is gonna be only One champion!

Rafito.
Jun 18th, 2009, 07:34 AM
The top players will be happy that maria is seeded as they wont have to play her in the early rounds. So it is good for everyone besides Bondarenko.

bandabou
Jun 18th, 2009, 07:38 AM
30 places about her rank? Seems steep..but ok, maybe it motivates the players that got bumped to play even better??

Maria Croft
Jun 18th, 2009, 07:43 AM
I knew you would make a thread like this, glad you didn't disappoint :help:

Look at all the haters coming together again like one big happy family :lol:

bandabou
Jun 18th, 2009, 07:49 AM
30 places about her rank? Seems steep..but ok, maybe it motivates the players that got bumped to play even better??

Miss Amor
Jun 18th, 2009, 10:03 AM
I am for Maria beig bumped

But I hate the fact that the fucktards didnt bump Venus and Serena too. If they are going to do it for one person, do it for the other deserving (more deserving) candidates too. What happened to equality?

ivanban
Jun 18th, 2009, 11:12 AM
This is just one of things why Wimbly is my least favourite Slam :(

ivanban
Jun 18th, 2009, 11:15 AM
25 Kaia KANEPI (EST)
26 Virginie RAZZANO (FRA)
27 Alisa KLEYBANOVA (RUS)
28 Sorana CIRSTEA (ROU)
29 Sybille BAMMER (AUT)
30 Agnes SZAVAY (HUN)
31 Anastasia PAVLYUCHENKOVA (RUS)
32 Anna CHAKVETADZE (RUS)

seriously? Maria could beat the players seeded below her in her sleep. if anything, she's not seeded high enough. schnyder? cornet? please.

Really?! And yet she barely won against Wickmayer in Birmingham :weirdo:

Spartan
Jun 18th, 2009, 11:20 AM
It's Alona Bondarenko who's been cheated. She earned her top-32 ranking but is denied a seeding because Wimbledon decide to seed Sharapova instead. Maria's last couple of Wimbledons haven't even been impressive at all.

If she's getting bumped up because she's a former champ then what about Mauresmo - she's won it more recently, and seeded 17 this year they could have bumped her up to the next seeding bracket. And Venus and Serena should really be seeded 1 and 2. If they're gonna do it for one person then do it for everyone. :fiery:

earthcrystal
Jun 18th, 2009, 11:52 AM
before talking about "CHEATING" why did not try to understand what does that mean in legal terms? If the rules are not broken no one can talk about "CHEATING". No rules were broken in listing the seeds. So any talk about "CHEATING" is a stupidity and shows low level of knowledge and understanding how the sport is managed.

Have to agree with this logic. It's a discretionary call on their part. Maria is a former champion who's been sidelined with an injury. Its not like they seeded her in the top 8. I understand if people don't like it or find it biased in some fashion, but it's within the rules and NOT cheating.

*waves to Dawn* Been a long time, old chum.

bandabou
Jun 18th, 2009, 12:47 PM
No biggie..now they have to rig the draw so that Serena and Vee are in opposite halves, then I've no problemo.

Vlover
Jun 18th, 2009, 02:35 PM
No biggie..now they have to rig the draw so that Serena and Vee are in opposite halves, then I've no problemo.
I'm with you on that! It is quite obvious that they are bending over backwards to accomodate Pova therefore giving her an unfair advantage but what is new?:devil:

SV_Fan
Jun 18th, 2009, 03:05 PM
Maria has all the right to be seeded, shes a 2 time semi and a champion... you can complain all that you want, but its a fair decision, and shes a star and will bring money to the tournament!

Honestly, her seeded is much deserved, and she will do more damage at the tournament than the higher seeds, like Elena, Jelena, even Safina and Ana...

So.

Venus was a 2x qtrfinalist, 2 time champion, and 2 time runner-up and she still got a measley seeding when she was down on her luck, and those creditentials are much better than what Masha's had, so why is she gettting such a huge bump?

Adaora
Jun 18th, 2009, 03:08 PM
wow...I didn't know that Mauresmo, a former champ as well, wasn't seeded last year. Now that's really unfair.

Svetlana.
Jun 18th, 2009, 03:31 PM
I knew you would make a thread like this, glad you didn't disappoint :help:

Look at all the haters coming together again like one big happy family :lol:

like the old times :haha:

sasha&tennis
Jun 18th, 2009, 04:15 PM
When will people realize that there is a difference between hating and pointing out something that is clearly wrong. The thing that still gets me the most is the fact that in 07 Venus was ranked 31 & they only moved her to # 23 which is only up 8 spaces. But Sharapova who's wimbledon resume is no where near as impressive as Venus is moved up 35 spaces this year from 59 to 24. Who can really have the nerve to say that it is fair?

For that matter Venus should have been moved to #1 in 07 if they have the ablility to move a person up 35 spaces. Also Venus should have been # 1 in 08 & she should be #1 this year. If Venus & Serena are on the same side of the draw that is clearly going to set off some alarms. I have heard that a lot of people have been sending in complaints regarding this move to the wta tour & wimbledon in form of emails & I also heard that some people have actually called & voiced their complaints.

I hope that Sharapova is in Serena's section because Serena will show everybody how she feels about this obviously unfair behavior from wimbledon. Sharapova will be lucky to win a game.

Andrew Laeddis
Jun 18th, 2009, 04:20 PM
Dawn Marie, so bitter. Just shut up. Please.

:clap2: That pretty much sums up how I feel.

Megan1224
Jun 18th, 2009, 04:22 PM
Why can't people just let it go...it's over. Done with. Nothing we can do. I think this topic has been more than thoroughly discussed.

Onyx
Jun 18th, 2009, 04:22 PM
Hoprfully she draws Wozniacki in the fourth rd. Can't have too many moonballers in the draw

Sharapowerr
Jun 18th, 2009, 05:19 PM
Sorry but I needed a personal thread to discuss this. Because I cannot believe how wrong this is. Yes Sharapova should be moved up but not by this big a margin. That is unfair no matter how you look at it. As I have also mentioned before, they have opened pandora's box with this one. This is really going to hit the fan.

We get your point now, don't post the same things over and over in one thread, she is the 2004 Champion and 2 made time the SF . also a 3 time GS champion , after Venus and Serna she's the third active player with the most GS's so they have reasons to seed her higher.. just get over it..:cool:

Vaidisova Ruled
Jun 18th, 2009, 05:22 PM
Masha being SEEDED 24 IS CHEATING FOR HER. (http://www.tennisforum.com/showthread.php?p=15892227#post15892227)
You called her Masha :)
It's the first step of becoming her fan :)

Destiny
Jun 18th, 2009, 05:27 PM
Rock On Masha

Adal
Jun 18th, 2009, 05:28 PM
Wimby, IS CHEATING FOR MARIA. :(:(:(
http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d5/digital_talent/tumbleweed.gif

~Eclipsed~
Jun 18th, 2009, 05:40 PM
Dawn Marie's threads are just :worship:

bandabou
Jun 18th, 2009, 05:43 PM
Well, well..so a one-time former Wimbledon champ can get a 31 place boost in the seedings, but when Vee was already a three times wimbledon winner and two-time finalist, she could only get 8 places?! Hmmmm....:lol: somethings will never change I guess.

madmax
Jun 18th, 2009, 05:59 PM
well, no need to make a fuss about it - she's tall, hot and feisty... if I was in the committee, I would seed her Nr.1 in every tourney she plays - just from business perspective:devil:

youizahoe
Jun 18th, 2009, 06:02 PM
:rolls:

Doc
Jun 18th, 2009, 06:09 PM
You called her Masha :)
It's the first step of becoming her fan :)

:lol:

Doc
Jun 18th, 2009, 06:14 PM
It's obvious she should be seeded. Wimbledon reserves the right to amend the computer rankings, as they apply to grass- and the seeding number is pretty immaterial if its outside the Top 8.

She's only so low-ranked because of her injury absence of 10 months. She's past Wimbledon champion, RG quarterfinalist from no seeding, on her worst surface, and reached Birmingham Semi-Final.

It's a crime she wasn't seeded Top Eight. :yeah:

faboozadoo15
Jun 18th, 2009, 06:18 PM
Don't they also take into account her Eastbourne results.

I think that might be why she got a bigger bump than Venus some other year. :lol: Whatever.

QUEENLINDSAY
Jun 18th, 2009, 06:20 PM
I certainly believed that Maria is one the best 24 in the grass right now, so I dont see any problem.

Doc
Jun 18th, 2009, 06:22 PM
It was actually done to protect the WS from meeting Maria in round 1..... :lol:

ikarinokami
Jun 18th, 2009, 06:31 PM
It was actually done to protect the WS from meeting Maria in round 1..... :lol:

i would think it the other way around, as the sisters, esp venus seems to take partiuclar glee in thrashing maria, esp at wimbeldon.

Doc
Jun 18th, 2009, 06:36 PM
i would think it the other way around, as the sisters, esp venus seems to take partiuclar glee in thrashing maria, esp at wimbeldon.

"Thrashing??? Don't think so. Anyhow, my point is the WS always play cr@p in the early rounds of slams...

faboozadoo15
Jun 18th, 2009, 06:45 PM
i would think it the other way around, as the sisters, esp venus seems to take partiuclar glee in thrashing maria, esp at wimbeldon.

Maria's beaten Venus every other time...
Serena's the one who's laid the hammer on Maria, if anything, but Maria has an important Wimbledon win against Serena...

DiNozzo
Jun 18th, 2009, 06:46 PM
i would think it the other way around, as the sisters, esp venus seems to take partiuclar glee in thrashing maria, esp at wimbeldon.

Trashing LOL, scores def. don't reflect the match, even when Vee beat Maria 6163, the match lasted 2hrs I guess.

ikarinokami
Jun 18th, 2009, 06:46 PM
"Thrashing??? Don't think so. Anyhow, my point is the WS always play cr@p in the early rounds of slams...

did you see the last two times venus played maria. She thrashed, and appeared at least to me to be enjoying it. both times she came playing ok, but for both matches, she played unstoppable. john mcenroe felt bad for her both times. 2005 was closer because she was in it for the first set, the second set she got wasted, and then in 2007 venus just took it another level, she came into that match playing but was on another level during it. I just think venus takes it as personal slight that maria won in 2004 against her sister and the press, and just seems to rachet her game up when she is playing maria at wimbeldon, and simply tries to embrass her on the court.

Belmont Lad
Jun 18th, 2009, 06:56 PM
I think the seeding is justly warranted. Extended injury absence, former champion and better than expected results since her return make it a no brainer. Plus, she is the tour's #1 marketing tool, none of the powers that be want her meeting a top seed first round. :wavey:

SAEKeithSerena
Jun 18th, 2009, 06:58 PM
And what exactly has Maria done at Wimbledon lately to deserve that bump?


it's total bullshit.

ikarinokami
Jun 18th, 2009, 07:04 PM
Trashing LOL, scores def. don't reflect the match, even when Vee beat Maria 6163, the match lasted 2hrs I guess.

did you see the match? the score makes it actually look closer that it was. it was a full on ass whipping. Venus took apart every facet of her game, and treated her serve like it was nothing. at the end of the match maria could hardly serve. she was handily whipped that match.

Dunlop1
Jun 18th, 2009, 07:06 PM
If you think that is cheating, wait till you see the draw :haha:

Who is that in your avatar and in your sig?

Dunlop1
Jun 18th, 2009, 07:07 PM
Go Maria!!!!!!!!!!

DiNozzo
Jun 18th, 2009, 07:16 PM
did you see the match? the score makes it actually look closer that it was. it was a full on ass whipping. Venus took apart every facet of her game, and treated her serve like it was nothing. at the end of the match maria could hardly serve. she was handily whipped that match.

Venus Played really great, she outplayed Maria but come on, she played the match of her life, I don't think a lot of players would have done better than Maria, but again it wasn't easy, Vee played her best, as usual on grass to beat Maria.

Slammer7
Jun 18th, 2009, 07:19 PM
Venus Played really great, she outplayed Maria but come on, she played the match of her life, I don't think a lot of players would have done better than Maria, but again it wasn't easy, Vee played her best, as usual on grass to beat Maria.

Well she's played the match of her life several times on center court at Wimbledon I guess.;)

Dunlop1
Jun 18th, 2009, 07:27 PM
People are so envious of Maria.
2 words: star power.