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Dawn Marie
Jun 18th, 2009, 12:11 AM
SHE IS RANKED #1 for her 52 weeks results?? So why is she seeded #1 when her 52 weeks results on grass are pathetic?
Venus and Serena will be on same side to prevent an all WILLIAMS final. This is why the seeds were stacked?
Masha being 24 seed is plain wrong, they are trying to give great white hopes a chance at a trophy. :(:(:help::)

iPatty
Jun 18th, 2009, 12:12 AM
Why is there a :) face at the end of that obnoxious list? Secretly happy about white supremacy?

Anyway, if Venus is so good on grass then it really won't matter what seed she is, will it? Besides it would also be a slap in the face for world number one Safina to be seeded third. If NOTHING means making the final of s'-Hertogenbosch with a win over last year's semifinalist Dementieva, then I guess she has indeed done NOTHING.

Dawn Marie
Jun 18th, 2009, 12:18 AM
actually i am on a iffernt computer and the key boar is jacked up, it waqs suposed to be a mad sign.

slamchamp
Jun 18th, 2009, 12:20 AM
:)

Dawn Marie
Jun 18th, 2009, 12:20 AM
i am talking about safina not Venus. Safina was given a false seed.

Ryan
Jun 18th, 2009, 12:21 AM
She's ranked #1, so how can her seeding be "false"? You're being even more lame than usual.

Cat's Pajamas
Jun 18th, 2009, 12:22 AM
Dinara Safina needs FIRED!!! :fiery:

LeonHart
Jun 18th, 2009, 12:23 AM
I'd have to agree with Dawn though, Safina sucks on Grasss :lol:

Anyways we'll see how it turns out.

Shepster
Jun 18th, 2009, 12:23 AM
The hypocrisy between seeding Sharapova for her past results at Wimbledon (over 2 years ago, we're to assume) and not dropping Dinara below the Williamses is clearly down to the fact that a/ they would rather piss off Alona Bondarenko than the world #1, b/ they don't want to piss off golden girl Maria who always makes their show courts and c/ they saw how god awful the ratings were for the womens final last year and are probably hoping for a Williams semi, providing both get to that stage. In short, it's complete :bs:

LightWarrior
Jun 18th, 2009, 12:24 AM
To make sure there'll be an all WS final, Safina should have been downgraded to #3, which is to much to ask. Plus Safina was a finalist at The Ordina Open last year.

iPatty
Jun 18th, 2009, 12:24 AM
I just realized I am having an argument with some troll I have on ignore, so this will be my last post in this topic.

Who cares if it's not an all-Williams final? Either way, only one of them can win. Whether they meet in the semis or the final, the winner of their match will more than likely go on to win the title. For a fanbase that preaches about the unimportance of ranking and seeding, you sure do a lot of complaining about it. Of course, I'm being unfair to all the normal Venus fans by associating them with this racist.

mckyle.
Jun 18th, 2009, 12:27 AM
YAY. I was waiting FOREVER for Dawn's response to the seeding issues :hearts:

Gumbycat
Jun 18th, 2009, 12:28 AM
A true Balanced Draw would have Venus and Serena (winners of 7 of the last 9 WImbledon Championships) on opposite sides of the Draw. If you move Maria to the 24 seed, then Venus and Serena SHOULD BE SEEDED 1 and 2!

Kworb
Jun 18th, 2009, 12:33 AM
They are not using any formula. They seed according to ranking. They made an exception for Sharapova because she is returning from injury and has always performed exceptionally well at Wimbledon when she wasn't injured. The draw would be unbalanced if she weren't seeded.

Wimbledon is not a different sport. It's still tennis. Especially now that the grass there is as slow as clay.

Dawn Marie
Jun 18th, 2009, 12:34 AM
Agree Sam. If you want a true BALANCED draw then Vee an Rena should be moved UP. They dominate on grass. Wimby knows this and want to stack the draw to favor Maria. I guarentee you that V@R will play in semi to knock out a champ and Maria will have cake draw on other side.

edificio
Jun 18th, 2009, 12:35 AM
You could have combined your anti-Dinara/Maria diatribe in one thread.

mdterp01
Jun 18th, 2009, 12:37 AM
Agreed...if Sharapova was bumped that much up then Dinara could've been moved down a spot and Venus and Serena moved to 1 and 2 respectively. But, it will just make Safina look worse than she already does after the Roland Garros debacle when the #1 player goes down early at Wimbledon.

Ryan
Jun 18th, 2009, 12:46 AM
Agree Sam. If you want a true BALANCED draw then Vee an Rena should be moved UP. They dominate on grass. Wimby knows this and want to stack the draw to favor Maria. I guarentee you that V@R will play in semi to knock out a champ and Maria will have cake draw on other side.



You need to be locked up. :o They're match in the final last year was hardly a classic, so why should they be seeded to face in the final?

HRHoliviasmith
Jun 18th, 2009, 12:46 AM
I just realized I am having an argument with some troll I have on ignore, so this will be my last post in this topic.

Who cares if it's not an all-Williams final? Either way, only one of them can win. Whether they meet in the semis or the final, the winner of their match will more than likely go on to win the title. For a fanbase that preaches about the unimportance of ranking and seeding, you sure do a lot of complaining about it. Of course, I'm being unfair to all the normal Venus fans by associating them with this racist.

Exactly.

!<blocparty>!
Jun 18th, 2009, 12:53 AM
You need to be locked up. :o They're match in the final last year was hardly a classic, so why should they be seeded to face in the final?

Illiterate mod needs FIRED! :o

And Dawn Marie needs MEDS. :hearts:

KoOlMaNsEaN
Jun 18th, 2009, 12:53 AM
I was surprised too. Yes she did make the final of s'-Hertogenbosch where she lost to Tanasugarn. that's her only good result on grass. It would be a crime if Venus and Serena would be in the same half.

Craigy
Jun 18th, 2009, 12:55 AM
Hilarious.

Ryan
Jun 18th, 2009, 12:57 AM
Illiterate mod needs FIRED! :o

And Dawn Marie needs MEDS. :hearts:



I'm illiterate because I made a grammar mistake? :sobbing: Sorry. :p

canuckfan
Jun 18th, 2009, 01:14 AM
Let's imagine this hypothetical situation: Serena is ranked first in the world, but the Roland Garros organisation commitee decide to give the number one seed to Justine Henin based on her past results.

The uproar from Dawn Maree and her friends would result in WTAworld = database error for weeks! :lick:

But still, it would be okay not to seed Safina number one even if she is the number one player in the world. :bs:

Joana
Jun 18th, 2009, 01:22 AM
Let's imagine this hypothetical situation: Serena is ranked first in the world, but the Roland Garros organisation commitee decide to give the number one seed to Justine Henin based on her past results.

The uproar from Dawn Maree and her friends would result in WTAworld = database error for weeks! :lick:



Now that you mention it... It would be amazing. :sobbing:

LindsayRulz
Jun 18th, 2009, 01:31 AM
Agree Sam. If you want a true BALANCED draw then Vee an Rena should be moved UP. They dominate on grass. Wimby knows this and want to stack the draw to favor Maria. I guarentee you that V@R will play in semi to knock out a champ and Maria will have cake draw on other side.
Safina on grass and seeded ahea of Venus is RACIST RACIST AND FULL OF BULLSHIT.

Seriously, who didn't see this coming? :tape:

charmedRic
Jun 18th, 2009, 01:32 AM
They are not using any formula. They seed according to ranking. They made an exception for Sharapova because she is returning from injury and has always performed exceptionally well at Wimbledon when she wasn't injured. The draw would be unbalanced if she weren't seeded.

Wimbledon is not a different sport. It's still tennis. Especially now that the grass there is as slow as clay.

yah.

Slammer7
Jun 18th, 2009, 01:33 AM
Let's imagine this hypothetical situation: Serena is ranked first in the world, but the Roland Garros organisation commitee decide to give the number one seed to Justine Henin based on her past results.

The uproar from Dawn Maree and her friends would result in WTAworld = database error for weeks! :lick:

But still, it would be okay not to seed Safina number one even if she is the number one player in the world. :bs:


That's nonsense, because first of all the FO doesn't move seeds based on clay court success and comparing seeding a women 1st who had won the tourney 4 times including the last 3 times she played it! :rolleyes: is not the same as seeding a player that won it ONCE FIVE YEARS AGO!!! I'm a Venus fan and if Venus were #1 in the world and the FO had the ability to move seedings and they wanted to seed Safina #1 I wouldn't complain.:angel: You do realize your scenario of Henin being seed #1 based on recent success is the same as the desire for Venus to be seeded #1 at Wimbledon based on recent success? Do you really think anyone in their right mind would argue against Henin being seed #1 at the French? Geeeze!:rolleyes:

danieln1
Jun 18th, 2009, 01:35 AM
Relax, she´ll lose by the quarters at most... she won´t pass the semi if she faces a williams or sveta

ikarinokami
Jun 18th, 2009, 01:40 AM
I think it's a pretty good bet Venus can go deep in this tournament. She's always able to clean up after a rocky-looking French Open," Carillo said in a conference call with the media to promote ESPN's Wimbledon coverage. "Honestly, I'm not sure it's right at all Dinara Safina is the top seed at Wimbledon. Venus has won it five times and Serena has won it twice. Especially on grass where the seeding committee can tweak the seedings, I truly believe Venus deserves to be seeded one."

Mary Carillo

~CANUCK~
Jun 18th, 2009, 01:44 AM
That's nonsense, because first of all the FO doesn't move seeds based on clay court success and comparing seeding a women 1st who had won the tourney 4 times including the last 3 times she played it! :rolleyes: is not the same as seeding a player that won it ONCE FIVE YEARS AGO!!! I'm a Venus fan and if Venus were #1 in the world and the FO had the ability to move seedings and they wanted to seed Safina #1 I wouldn't complain.:angel: You do realize your scenario of Henin being seed #1 based on recent success is the same as the desire for Venus to be seeded #1 at Wimbledon based on recent success? Do you really think anyone in their right mind would argue against Henin being seed #1 at the French? Geeeze!:rolleyes:

You clearly haven't been here long enough if you honestly believe that. Certain members of the Vee fan base would have a stroke if that happened.

drake3781
Jun 18th, 2009, 01:45 AM
SHE IS RANKED #1 for her 52 weeks results?? So why is she seeded #1 when her 52 weeks results on grass are pathetic?
Venus and Serena will be on same side to prevent an all WILLIAMS final. This is why the seeds were stacked?
Masha being 24 seed is plain wrong, they are trying to give great white hopes a chance at a trophy. :(:(:help::)

Agree Sam. If you want a true BALANCED draw then Vee an Rena should be moved UP. They dominate on grass. Wimby knows this and want to stack the draw to favor Maria. I guarentee you that V@R will play in semi to knock out a champ and Maria will have cake draw on other side.
Safina on grass and seeded ahea of Venus is RACIST RACIST AND FULL OF BULLSHIT.


Just wanted to capture this, in case posts are edited in the future.

Original Poster expecting to be taken seriously is claiming "Wimby" is racist, and draw decisions are made in order to give a "white" player a better chance.

danieln1
Jun 18th, 2009, 01:45 AM
I think it's a pretty good bet Venus can go deep in this tournament. She's always able to clean up after a rocky-looking French Open," Carillo said in a conference call with the media to promote ESPN's Wimbledon coverage. "Honestly, I'm not sure it's right at all Dinara Safina is the top seed at Wimbledon. Venus has won it five times and Serena has won it twice. Especially on grass where the seeding committee can tweak the seedings, I truly believe Venus deserves to be seeded one."

Mary Carillo

For once this woman said something right, as she hates the sisters... Roger even dissed her a while ago! :haha:

Slammer7
Jun 18th, 2009, 01:48 AM
You clearly haven't been here long enough if you honestly believe that. Certain members of the Vee fan base would have a stroke if that happened.

Oh I've been here long enough to know the lay of the land. And I did say "in there right mind" about seeding Henin ;) You still didn't address the rest of my post.

Junex
Jun 18th, 2009, 01:53 AM
When did Venus won Wimbledon seeded #1?

So i guess her being seeded #3 is a good thing!

Temporary0369
Jun 18th, 2009, 02:03 AM
For once this woman said something right, as she hates the sisters... Roger even dissed her a while ago! :haha:

Yeah she hates them so much, all of her commentary points to this. She's showering them with praise at every turn she just gets frustrated because they don't play to their level consistently.

canuckfan
Jun 18th, 2009, 02:06 AM
That's nonsense, because first of all the FO doesn't move seeds based on clay court success and comparing seeding a women 1st who had won the tourney 4 times including the last 3 times she played it! :rolleyes: is not the same as seeding a player that won it ONCE FIVE YEARS AGO!!! I'm a Venus fan and if Venus were #1 in the world and the FO had the ability to move seedings and they wanted to seed Safina #1 I wouldn't complain.:angel: You do realize your scenario of Henin being seed #1 based on recent success is the same as the desire for Venus to be seeded #1 at Wimbledon based on recent success? Do you really think anyone in their right mind would argue against Henin being seed #1 at the French? Geeeze!:rolleyes:

If Serena or Venus were ranked number one in the world, yes, the arguing would be out of control.

And my point is not to decide if it's right or wrong to seed Safina number 1. My point is that the people pissed at the Wimbledon organising committee for not seeding Venus or Serena #1 would be absolutly outraged if a tournament didn't seed them first while ranked number one in the world. So I don't see why it's okay to do it to Safina.

~CANUCK~
Jun 18th, 2009, 02:08 AM
Oh I've been here long enough to know the lay of the land. And I did say "in there right mind" about seeding Henin ;) You still didn't address the rest of my post.

There is nothing to address as I don't think you understood what canuckfan was trying to say.

If Serena was ranked #1 and Justine was still playing and they bumped her to #1 seed over Serena, certain posters would freak out here, the same ones who are freaking out now because this exact situation is not happening to Venus. This was the point he was trying to make. We all know the FO doesn't move seeds but it was a hypothetical situation.

Should Wimby have bumped Vee to #1, probably, but at the same time there really is little difference between being seeded between 1 and 4. Are Venus fans that afraid of a 50% chance of Serena in the semis?

Slammer7
Jun 18th, 2009, 02:09 AM
Yeah she hates them so much, all of her commentary points to this. She's showering them with praise at every turn she just gets frustrated because they don't play to their level consistently.

You do realize Venus refused to be interviewed by her for years because of her criticism of her family? Carillo herself even admitted that in an interview. Mary is fare weather, she praises when the going is good (with a great deal of backhanded complement, "She's so great when she isn't goofing off." that kind of stuff) then she bashes like there's no tomorrow when the going is bad. Just be consistent with your hate Mary, don't kiss there ass and call it candy on Monday and scold and condemn on Tuesday.:rolleyes::fiery:

duhcity
Jun 18th, 2009, 02:18 AM
Safina deserves the top seed.
She's amassed so many points since last year (SHOCKER: NON GRASS POINTS COUNT TO YOUR SEEDING TOO)

Slammer7
Jun 18th, 2009, 02:21 AM
There is nothing to address as I don't think you understood what canuckfan was trying to say.

If Serena was ranked #1 and Justine was still playing and they bumped her to #1 seed over Serena, certain posters would freak out here, the same ones who are freaking out now because this exact situation is not happening to Venus. This was the point he was trying to make. We all know the FO doesn't move seeds but it was a hypothetical situation.

Should Wimby have bumped Vee to #1, probably, but at the same time there really is little difference between being seeded between 1 and 4. Are Venus fans that afraid of a 50% chance of Serena in the semis?

I still qualified those who would argue this by questioning there motives and sanity. So I am being logically consistent. Having the two most successful recent (and I mean the last 2 years) grass court players on the same side makes an "unbalanced draw" a phrase I've seen used a lot today. :lol: Since Venus has never lost a Wimbledon semifinal and has beaten Serena in one of those I doubt that that is the main concern. It's just if the AELTC is going to fiddle around then why not go all the way. If your already at 3rd base why not steal home. I know non-baseball fans or American's familiar with the other meaning of that phrase may not understand.:lol: :devil:

MechWarrior2k
Jun 18th, 2009, 02:23 AM
Give it a rest. Safina is #1 and demoting her below the #1 seed would further make the WTA more of a joke. Wimbledon does funny stuff with seedings, but if Serena and Venus were to be #1 they would actually have to play a warm-up grass tournament (which they don't do) and actually care more about events besides AO/Wimby/USO/Miami. Williams' trolls are just as annoying as Fedtards.

Safina has made the finals of all 4 events since becoming #1, while Serena went through a 4 match losing streak and choked against Kuznetsova. Venus hasn't gotten it together since winning a token clay tournament and really moved up due to Zvonareva's injury, Dementieva/Ivanovic/Jankovic sucking. For the trolls still mad their precious entitled ones Serena and Venus didn't get seeded #1:

http://blueroof.files.wordpress.com/2008/01/mls-cry-babies.png?w=317&h=198

FoxyliciousKhat
Jun 18th, 2009, 02:24 AM
Frankly the seeding don't bother me. I don't see anything wrong with Dinara holding on to her #1ranking here. What is to be, will be, and if the #5000000 player is to win Wimbledon that player will no matter the ranking.

Foxy

Volcana
Jun 18th, 2009, 02:30 AM
There are plenty of legitemate ways to seed a tournament. Ranking IS one them. I have no problem with Safina as #1 seed. However, with that long, slow, gigantic windup onher forehand, there's no way she's winning a tournament on a fast court against elite players. And if the wind blows, her ionosphere ball toss is a problem too.

If it rains enough .....

Slammer7
Jun 18th, 2009, 02:32 AM
If Serena or Venus were ranked number one in the world, yes, the arguing would be out of control.

And my point is not to decide if it's right or wrong to seed Safina number 1. My point is that the people pissed at the Wimbledon organising committee for not seeding Venus or Serena #1 would be absolutly outraged if a tournament didn't seed them first while ranked number one in the world. So I don't see why it's okay to do it to Safina.

If neither Venus or Serena had gotten past the 3rd round in their entire careers at Wimbledon anyone arguing that a player that had won it 5 times including the past 2 year and another player who had won it twice including getting to the previous years final should not be seeded ahead of them and if the rules allowed it would be insane and completely biased to the point of no return.:crazy: :cuckoo: I cited the FO as that is the closest(though not completely comparable) example of the same thing. Also there were rumors 7 years ago that the AELTC would fiddle with the seeds and make Capriati the 2 seed instead of Serena when the WS were 1 and 2 in the world, and that could hardly have been justified by past results.:)

Temporary0369
Jun 18th, 2009, 02:36 AM
Done deal buddy. So we take Venus and give her the number one seeding, move Dinara down to number 2, and Serena becomes seeded third. Or do we want to make Tanasugarn the number 2 seed and just take Safina out of the equation?

Slammer7
Jun 18th, 2009, 02:45 AM
Give it a rest. Safina is #1 and demoting her below the #1 seed would further make the WTA more of a joke. Wimbledon does funny stuff with seedings, but if Serena and Venus were to be #1 they would actually have to play a warm-up grass tournament (which they don't do) and actually care more about events besides AO/Wimby/USO/Miami. Williams' trolls are just as annoying as Fedtards.

Safina has made the finals of all 4 events since becoming #1, while Serena went through a 4 match losing streak and choked against Kuznetsova. Venus hasn't gotten it together since winning a token clay tournament and really moved up due to Zvonareva's injury, Dementieva/Ivanovic/Jankovic sucking. For the trolls still mad their precious entitled ones Serena and Venus didn't get seeded #1:

http://blueroof.files.wordpress.com/2008/01/mls-cry-babies.png?w=317&h=198

Boy a new crying baby pic. Good, I was getting tired of the old one someone used every time they wanted to demean someones argument. Can we now have a plethora of different ethnic babies too. How about crying baby kittens next or puppies? How about baby looney tunes characters? or Muppet babies? Oh please more crying babies it's just sooo much fun!:rolleyes: :lol: At least you had a point to go along with the picture (one I disagree with) but a point. Graf skipped Wimbledon warm-ups too you know. They didn't penalize her or anything for that. If they play Eastbourne or not it isn't going to impact a players seed in the top 4, it can help players outside of the top 8 but it isn't going to move mountains. Just look how much the warm-ups have meant at the last several slams.:lol:

HRHoliviasmith
Jun 18th, 2009, 02:47 AM
Boy a new crying baby pic. Good, I was getting tired of the old one someone used every time they wanted to demean someones argument. Can we now have a plethora of different ethnic babies too. How about crying baby kittens next or puppies? How about baby looney tunes characters? or Muppet babies? Oh please more crying babies it's just sooo much fun!:rolleyes: :lol: At least you had a point to go along with the picture (one I disagree with) but a point. Graf skipped Wimbledon warm-ups too you know. They did penalize her or anything for that. If they play Eastbourne or not it isn't going to impact a players seed in the top 4, it can help players outside of the top 8 but it isn't going to move mountains. Just look how much the warm-ups have meant at the last several slams.:lol:

:lol:

Tennisstar86
Jun 18th, 2009, 02:49 AM
w/e she'll be joining Hingis as one of the only #1 seeds to lose in the 1rst round soon....

Wannabeknowitall
Jun 18th, 2009, 03:10 AM
I think logically she deserved to be there.
The problem is Venus. If Venus is number two in the rankings I could understand her getting the one seed.
The problem is she's number three.
You can't rationalize her being seeded number one over her sister who has two slams and a final in 52 weeks compared to Venus' one slam.
Serena could be seeded number one but honestly Safina has been the runner-up at the last two slams and hasn't really had a bad season.

Safina in my opinion deserves this seeding.
She hasn't had a chance to show her game on grass.
None of the younger girls under 24 have had that chance.
Not Ana, JJ, Kuzzie, etc.
Give them that chance to show themselves.

Slammer7
Jun 18th, 2009, 03:25 AM
I think logically she deserved to be there.
The problem is Venus. If Venus is number two in the rankings I could understand her getting the one seed.
The problem is she's number three.
You can't rationalize her being seeded number one over her sister who has two slams and a final in 52 weeks compared to Venus' one slam.
Serena could be seeded number one but honestly Safina has been the runner-up at the last two slams and hasn't really had a bad season.

Safina in my opinion deserves this seeding.
She hasn't had a chance to show her game on grass.
None of the younger girls under 24 have had that chance.
Not Ana, JJ, Kuzzie, etc.
Give them that chance to show themselves.

Yes you can because it's about grasscourt results not anything else. If this was any other slam I would agree with you. If this was the AO or the U.S Open and they could adjust seedings based on recent results on the surface and Venus was 1 and Serena was 2 or 3 I would be fine if they seeded Ree ahead of Vee. But this is grass and "The big 'W'" and that's the point.

As far as Safina, she is 23 and has played Wimbledon 7 times without getting past the 3rd round, how many chances do you want? :scratch: :shrug: :lol:

Tennisstar86
Jun 18th, 2009, 03:31 AM
I think logically she deserved to be there.
The problem is Venus. If Venus is number two in the rankings I could understand her getting the one seed.
The problem is she's number three.
You can't rationalize her being seeded number one over her sister who has two slams and a final in 52 weeks compared to Venus' one slam.
Serena could be seeded number one but honestly Safina has been the runner-up at the last two slams and hasn't really had a bad season.

Safina in my opinion deserves this seeding.
She hasn't had a chance to show her game on grass.
None of the younger girls under 24 have had that chance.
Not Ana, JJ, Kuzzie, etc.
Give them that chance to show themselves.

Actually if they just used the formula the men use..... it would have happened like this...

Venus:7217+2000(100% previous year)+1500(75% 2 years ago)=10717
Safina: 9801+180(3rd)+90(Q)= 10077
Serena:8158+1400(F)+375(Q)= 9933

Venus is actually quite a bit ahead of the other two using the formula The use for the men.

rada
Jun 18th, 2009, 03:33 AM
Who really cares I mean it doesn't matter what seed you are you still have to win matches.

So much fuss for nothing

Wannabeknowitall
Jun 18th, 2009, 03:42 AM
Yes you can because it's about grasscourt results not anything else. If this was any other slam I would agree with you. If this was the AO or the U.S Open and they could adjust seedings based on recent results on the surface and Venus was 1 and Serena was 2 or 3 I would be fine if they seeded Ree ahead of Vee. But this is grass and "The big 'W'" and that's the point.

As far as Safina, she is 23 and has played Wimbledon 7 times without getting past the 3rd round, how many chances do you want? :scratch: :shrug: :lol:

Not according to the Wimbledon regarding the women's seeding which is why it's the way it is right now. :wavey:
Lindsay Davenport took 7 years to make it past the quarters of Wimbledon.
She won it the 8th time.
As I said before, how about giving the big girls time to adjust to the grass.
It's not the easiest surface for them you know.

Wannabeknowitall
Jun 18th, 2009, 03:43 AM
Actually if they just used the formula the men use..... it would have happened like this...

Venus:7217+2000(100% previous year)+1500(75% 2 years ago)=10717
Safina: 9801+180(3rd)+90(Q)= 10077
Serena:8158+1400(F)+375(Q)= 9933

Venus is actually quite a bit ahead of the other two using the formula The use for the men.

But they don't use the formula so your point is kinda irrelvent.
The reason some people watch women's tennis is because of its difference to men's tennis as some do with women's basketball and men's basketball.
Didn't the reign of Larry Scott teach you anything? :lol:

ikarinokami
Jun 18th, 2009, 03:44 AM
But they don't use the formula so your point is kinda irrelvent.
The reason some people watch women's tennis is because of it's difference to men's tennis as some do with women's basketball and men's basketball.
Didn't the reign of Larry Scott teach you anything? :lol:

is there that any difference between men's and women's game, when venus and serena play each other lately?

Robert-KimClijst
Jun 18th, 2009, 03:57 AM
Safina has over 1000 points compared to Serena, and over 2000 to Venus. Even though the success of Serena and Venus compared to Dinara on grass is uncomparable, it would be unfair to Dinara to be bumped down to the third seed. Especially since she has had the best results as of recent. If the lead was narrow, then perhaps it would make more sense, but at the end of the day, you can't really complain of not having a certain ranking spot when it is up to you to earn the spot. The Williams don't play enough, and that is why there are not 1 and 2. If someone has a problem with that, then blame it on the way the WTA ranking system works. Serena and Venus should be 1 and 2, but the rankings say otherwise, and Wimbledon can't just turn the seedings upside down. Like Roddick said last year, even though Ferrer and Davydenko (who are not known for their grass paralysis) were ranked higher than him, you can't complain about being seeded lower than someone else if you actually are.

As for Maria, she has won Wimbledon, along with two other slams. She has made a semifinal and has shown great stuff on this surface. She deserves a seeding, even if she lost badly last year and lost to the champion the year before. It's not only fair to Maria (it's not like she's at such a low right now because of poor play, her shoulder was injured), but I bet other players are relieved as well. It's no fun for a player in the top ten to have to play Sharapova first round.

Wannabeknowitall
Jun 18th, 2009, 03:59 AM
is there that any difference between men's and women's game, when venus and serena play each other lately?

Well sure.
I think Venus and Serena don't cry as much as the men in finals lately. :lol:

ikarinokami
Jun 18th, 2009, 04:04 AM
Safina has over 1000 points compared to Serena, and over 2000 to Venus. Even though the success of Serena and Venus compared to Dinara on grass is uncomparable, it would be unfair to Dinara to be bumped down to the third seed. Especially since she has had the best results as of recent. If the lead was narrow, then perhaps it would make more sense, but at the end of the day, you can't really complain of not having a certain ranking spot when it is up to you to earn the spot. The Williams don't play enough, and that is why there are not 1 and 2. If someone has a problem with that, then blame it on the way the WTA ranking system works. Serena and Venus should be 1 and 2, but the rankings say otherwise, and Wimbledon can't just turn the seedings upside down. Like Roddick said last year, even though Ferrer and Davydenko (who are not known for their grass paralysis) were ranked higher than him, you can't complain about being seeded lower than someone else if you actually are.

As for Maria, she has won Wimbledon, along with two other slams. She has made a semifinal and has shown great stuff on this surface. She deserves a seeding, even if she lost badly last year and lost to the champion the year before. It's not only fair to Maria (it's not like she's at such a low right now because of poor play, her shoulder was injured), but I bet other players are relieved as well. It's no fun for a player in the top ten to have to play Sharapova first round.

i think they didn't want venus facing maria, for some reason, i think venus just takes glee in thrashing her. she goes into playing maria and by the end of the match, she looks one of the all time great grass court players who have ever played, causeing johnny mac to run out of supralitives to describe her play, and feeling sad for maria.

Slammer7
Jun 18th, 2009, 04:08 AM
Not according to the Wimbledon regarding the women's seeding which is why it's the way it is right now. :wavey:
Lindsay Davenport took 7 years to make it past the quarters of Wimbledon.
She won it the 8th time.
As I said before, how about giving the big girls time to adjust to the grass.
It's not the easiest surface for them you know.

Davenport reached her first Wimbledon quarterfinal in 1994 at the age of 18 and on her 3rd attempt at playing Wimbledon. Lindsay>>>>>>>>>>>>>Dinara. I'm not talking about a semifinal appearance to justify #1 just get past the Damned 3rd round.:rolleyes: So again. How many chances do you want? :wavey:

Wannabeknowitall
Jun 18th, 2009, 04:17 AM
Davenport reached her first Wimbledon quarterfinal in 1994 at the age of 18 and on her 3rd attempt at playing Wimbledon. Lindsay>>>>>>>>>>>>>Dinara. I'm not talking about a semifinal appearance to justify #1 just get past the Damned 3rd round.:rolleyes: So again. How many chances do you want? :wavey:

Since you have such a good memory you probably can recall that Lindsay made that quarter in 1994.
I believe that was the year Conchita Martinez won Wimbledon.
Now tell me, when has there been a fluke winner of Wimbledon this decade?
NEVER.
How many chances?
Well we'll know how many I'll need after this Wimbledon, won't we? :devil:

GracefulVenus
Jun 18th, 2009, 04:21 AM
I agree, really sucks that neither Venus or Serena is seeded 1 for this event. If they are going to go by the rankings, they should go by the rankings and leave Sharapova where she is. Don't get me wrong, I love Masha, but if you are going to seed people not according to the rankings (like Wimbledon does) then Dinara should not be seeded no. 1, point blank.

ikarinokami
Jun 18th, 2009, 04:22 AM
Since you have such a good memory you probably can recall that Lindsay made that quarter in 1994.
I believe that was the year Conchita Martinez won Wimbledon.
Now tell me, when has there been a fluke winner of Wimbledon this decade?
NEVER.
How many chances?
Well we'll know how many I'll need after this Wimbledon, won't we? :devil:

it's hard to say whether or not sharapova is a fluke winner, she hasnt got back to the finals in 4 years, has been thrashed 3 of the last 4 years. I think the book is still open as to whether or not sharapova is a fluke winner. she needs to make another finals appearance.

Roookie
Jun 18th, 2009, 04:24 AM
Stop the whining. I don't like Safina but she's the best player in the world, its not even close. She keeps on winning!

look at the rest of the field:
Sveta: Eastbourne 1st rd.
Serena: 4th consecutive loses.
Venus: AO 2nd rd RG 3rd.

The didn't seed Maria seeding because of her previous results on grass, the lack of tennis stars is the reason they want to keep her in the tournament as long as possible.

Wannabeknowitall
Jun 18th, 2009, 04:26 AM
I agree, really sucks that neither Venus or Serena is seeded 1 for this event. If they are going to go by the rankings, they should go by the rankings and leave Sharapova where she is. Don't get me wrong, I love Masha, but if you are going to seed people not according to the rankings (like Wimbledon does) then Dinara should not be seeded no. 1, point blank.

Hypocrit. :lol:
So Venus shouldn't have been seeded number 23 a few years ago.
Or
Did you just happen to forget that other year when Venus was seeded over Novotna when Venus wasn't even a winner of Wimbledon yet.
There are exceptions to the rules.

Venus and Maria happen to be the exception, except when it comes to seeding players number one when they have played like crap for three months or more (in Venus' case).

Slammer7
Jun 18th, 2009, 04:28 AM
Since you have such a good memory you probably can recall that Lindsay made that quarter in 1994.
I believe that was the year Conchita Martinez won Wimbledon.
Now tell me, when has there been a fluke winner of Wimbledon this decade?
NEVER.
How many chances?
Well we'll know how many I'll need after this Wimbledon, won't we? :devil:

It doesn't matter who won just that she got past the 3rd round. If she lost to a 50 year old BJK in the quarters, she still won 4 matches. That's more than the last 2 years combined for Safina. OK,:yeah: so we have established 8 is enough. :lol:

TheBoiledEgg
Jun 18th, 2009, 04:31 AM
To make sure there'll be an all WS final, Safina should have been downgraded to #3, which is to much to ask. Plus Safina was a finalist at The Ordina Open last year.

no to be sure of that, they would be the only 2 players in draw :p

ikarinokami
Jun 18th, 2009, 04:32 AM
Hypocrit. :lol:
So Venus shouldn't have been seeded number 23 a few years ago.
Or
Did you just happen to forget that other year when Venus was seeded over Novotna when Venus wasn't even a winner of Wimbledon yet.
There are exceptions to the rules.

Venus and Maria happen to be the exception, except when it comes to seeding players number one when they have played like crap for three months or more (in Venus' case).

this is incorrect, venus was within the rules, she was not outside the top 32. They broke thier own rule for maria. I don't think even serena would warrant a Rule breaking. if your going to break a codified rule, it should be extraordinary circumstances. 1 win, a semi final apperances, and some thrashes, does not warrant breaking a rule.

Harvs
Jun 18th, 2009, 04:33 AM
get a life..

gmokb
Jun 18th, 2009, 04:53 AM
I am not worry about the seeding, all the better when the #1 goes out early.

Illusionist
Jun 18th, 2009, 04:55 AM
Let's crucify her to the gods!!!

woosey
Jun 18th, 2009, 04:55 AM
when was the last time venus was the number one seed at wimbledon? seems to me like most of the times she's won this, she was not the top seed.

i don't think she needs it. i'm sure she doesn't want to meet serena in the semifinal, but other than that, i doubt she's losing any sleep over this. in the minds of most, including the players, she is tops and the person to beat.

Slammer7
Jun 18th, 2009, 05:05 AM
Let's crucify her to the gods!!!

People aren't angry with Maria just the AELTC committee that changed the seedings. If Maria is an old British guy running the seeding committee that's new to me. :lol:

lizchris
Jun 18th, 2009, 05:18 AM
No two ways about it, Sharapova did not deserve to be moved up 35 spots. I have never seen any player, male or female, moved up that many spots in a GS just to be seeded. It doesn't matter if she won in 2004, she hasn't done a damn thing since and every year other than last year, she lost to the eventual winner.

OsloErik
Jun 18th, 2009, 07:49 AM
Sharapova being seeded #24 IS wrong because she's not even in the top 50, but I don't agree about Safina. Nobody is close enough to her in the rankings to justify that kind of ranking bump. Serena is 1700 points behind her; that's a final and THEN some at a slam. Venus is over 2500 points behind her; that's an additional SLAM AND A QUARTER.

Frankly, I'd be more pissed that the top grass players can't bring it everywhere else. There was no whining about Serena being seeded #2 at Roland Garros in spite of her 0-4 record on clay for the year, and her 3rd round finish last year. Safina at least has a couple grass wins this week; Serena had NONE going into the French.

In The Zone
Jun 18th, 2009, 07:50 AM
Sharapova being seeded #24 IS wrong because she's not even in the top 50, but I don't agree about Safina. Nobody is close enough to her in the rankings to justify that kind of ranking bump. Serena is 1700 points behind her; that's a final and THEN some at a slam. Venus is over 2500 points behind her; that's an additional SLAM AND A QUARTER.

Frankly, I'd be more pissed that the top grass players can't bring it everywhere else. There was no whining about Serena being seeded #2 at Roland Garros in spite of her 0-4 record on clay for the year, and her 3rd round finish last year. Safina at least has a couple grass wins this week; Serena had NONE going into the French.

The other slams seed using the WTA ranking.

Wayn77
Jun 18th, 2009, 08:50 AM
Let's crucify her to the gods!!!

:lol:

My Council of SW19 Druids are on the case as we speak...

In the modern era the grass court season is a 3-week anomaly that has to be endured rather than enjoyed.

Rather like the tight and twisty Monte Carlo street circuit on the F1 calendar.

Just ask the vast majority of players.

Wojtek
Jun 18th, 2009, 09:00 AM
No two ways about it, Sharapova did not deserve to be moved up 35 spots. I have never seen any player, male or female, moved up that many spots in a GS just to be seeded. It doesn't matter if she won in 2004, she hasn't done a damn thing since and every year other than last year, she lost to the eventual winner.

They moved male players like this in the 90s. Nihil novy.

Wimbledon 2004 Serena was 10 and seeded 1 - short memory :rolleyes:

Taniaaa
Jun 18th, 2009, 09:02 AM
:worship:

SVK
Jun 18th, 2009, 09:04 AM
Cibulkova is 14th seeded, and I don´t remember, that she won a match on grass
Wimbledon has this year weird seeding

Steadyniacki
Jun 18th, 2009, 09:05 AM
[QUOTE=iPatty;15892164]Why is there a :) face at the end of that obnoxious list? Secretly happy about white supremacy?
OMG, whenever something slightly insults the Williams sisters fans, which this post clearly doesn't, in fact it is in support of the Williams, people still pull the race card, despicable

Sharapower
Jun 18th, 2009, 09:09 AM
Official hater of Marta Domachowska and Novak Djokovic

Hey why you hate Marta :tears:? She's such a hottie :drool:!!!
:topic:

In The Zone
Jun 18th, 2009, 09:10 AM
They moved male players like this in the 90s. Nihil novy.

Wimbledon 2004 Serena was 10 and seeded 1 - short memory :rolleyes:

Different. The WTA had the special seedings then still. On the entry list, Serena was #1. Either way, Serena was in the top 32 and guaranteed a seeding whereas Sharapova was not.

spencercarlos
Jun 18th, 2009, 09:13 AM
I will never get why they (Williams Sisters) should get an special threatment, they both have played full schedules in the past year and its only their fault the fact that they are not number one and number two in the world. Or in fact it´s Safina´s fault because she has performed more consistently in the past 12 months.

soul
Jun 18th, 2009, 09:35 AM
so wimbledon organisers gave higher rank for sharapova, they should have done to Venüs too since sh has laready won titles.This is really unfair to VENÜS

rockstar
Jun 18th, 2009, 09:42 AM
They are not using any formula. They seed according to ranking. They made an exception for Sharapova because she is returning from injury and has always performed exceptionally well at Wimbledon when she wasn't injured. The draw would be unbalanced if she weren't seeded.

Wimbledon is not a different sport. It's still tennis. Especially now that the grass there is as slow as clay.

this.

DiNozzo
Jun 18th, 2009, 09:59 AM
so wimbledon organisers gave higher rank for sharapova, they should have done to Venüs too since sh has laready won titles.This is really unfair to VENÜS

Actually Venus never won Wimbledon with N1 seed, so I don't see where is the pb.

Slutiana
Jun 18th, 2009, 10:05 AM
You need to be locked up. :o They're match in the final last year was hardly a classic, so why should they be seeded to face in the final?
:tape:

starin
Jun 18th, 2009, 10:15 AM
Sharapova being seeded #24 IS wrong because she's not even in the top 50, but I don't agree about Safina. Nobody is close enough to her in the rankings to justify that kind of ranking bump. Serena is 1700 points behind her; that's a final and THEN some at a slam. Venus is over 2500 points behind her; that's an additional SLAM AND A QUARTER.

Frankly, I'd be more pissed that the top grass players can't bring it everywhere else. There was no whining about Serena being seeded #2 at Roland Garros in spite of her 0-4 record on clay for the year, and her 3rd round finish last year. Safina at least has a couple grass wins this week; Serena had NONE going into the French.

actually Venus is. If you use the formula that the All England Club has already established and they blatantly disregarded for Sharapova, Venus would be seeded #1. They take 100% of last years results + 50% of the year before. That's 2000 + 100.

and RG never changes the seeding so there was nothing to complain about.

soul
Jun 18th, 2009, 10:17 AM
Actually Venus never won Wimbledon with N1 seed, so I don't see where is the pb.

Im not talking about the winnings with number one seed.Organisers used to change the number one seed according to the history of the player, so what Im telling is Venüs could have been seeded number 1.

Wojtek
Jun 18th, 2009, 10:20 AM
Hey why you hate Marta :tears:? She's such a hottie :drool:!!!
:topic:

it's not the topic of this thread :help:

Sharapower
Jun 18th, 2009, 10:21 AM
it's not the topic of this thread :help:
Yes but I decided the topic of this thread is irrelevant :p

Matt01
Jun 18th, 2009, 10:22 AM
As far as Safina, she is 23 and has played Wimbledon 7 times without getting past the 3rd round, how many chances do you want? :scratch: :shrug: :lol:


Don't you understand that Safina is a completely different player since Berlin last year? :scratch: She had only ONE short grasscourt season as a real top player so she had only ONE chance to show that she is a good class court player and even though she lost early in Wimbledon (which was an an "aberration" in her Slam record resumé) she still reached the final of s'Hertogenbosch. And this year she won her first few matches on grass pre-Wimbledon as well.

Filippo-Nastya
Jun 18th, 2009, 10:28 AM
Now I have one more reason to say:

MYSKINA SHOULD HAVE BEEN SEEDED 1 AT WIMBLEDON 2004!! :fiery::fiery:

Ryan
Jun 18th, 2009, 11:14 AM
:tape:



So it was a classic? :lol: News to me.

Mackep83
Jun 18th, 2009, 11:29 AM
Safinas last 6 month are way better than Venus. So Safina deserves to be seeded number 1. Safinas last 3 month are also better than Serenas. So for the moment Safina is the best, Venus won wimbledon one year ago, she cant live on that for ever. In that case Martina Navratilova can get a wild card and be seeded number one.


And its good for wimbledon that it wont be an all williams final. The stadium will be full of audience no matter whos playing. But it will be more TV-public now when is clear that it wont be an all williams final.

Sharapower
Jun 18th, 2009, 11:34 AM
And its good for wimbledon that it wont be an all williams final. The stadium will be full of audience no matter whos playing. But it will be more TV-public now when is clear that it wont be an all williams final.
For the moment it's still possible that it will be an all-WIlliams final.

BartoliBabes
Jun 18th, 2009, 11:36 AM
hellooo were you all born yesterday?? shes ranked number 1 and therefore will be seeded number 1 whats so hard to understand?? who cares of shes number 1 seed anyway?? i mean she was number 1 seed at the FO too whys everyone acting sooo retarded?? :/

Mackep83
Jun 18th, 2009, 11:39 AM
For the moment it's still possible that it will be an all-WIlliams final.

It is? =(

Tennisstar86
Jun 18th, 2009, 04:36 PM
Safinas last 6 month are way better than Venus. So Safina deserves to be seeded number 1. Safinas last 3 month are also better than Serenas. So for the moment Safina is the best, Venus won wimbledon one year ago, she cant live on that for ever. In that case Martina Navratilova can get a wild card and be seeded number one.


And its good for wimbledon that it wont be an all williams final. The stadium will be full of audience no matter whos playing. But it will be more TV-public now when is clear that it wont be an all williams final.

You are not too bright...... When Venus is in the finals, the ratings are higher... the highest rated final is Venus vs. Davenport...... The williams sister finals are second to these.... noone watched Amelie vs. Justine...

Slammer7
Jun 18th, 2009, 04:43 PM
Don't you understand that Safina is a completely different player since Berlin last year? :scratch: She had only ONE short grasscourt season as a real top player so she had only ONE chance to show that she is a good class court player and even though she lost early in Wimbledon (which was an an "aberration" in her Slam record resumé) she still reached the final of s'Hertogenbosch. And this year she won her first few matches on grass pre-Wimbledon as well.

So her history doesn't count now. We should forget alllll of the awful and some very humiliating losses just because she turned it around last year? :scratch: Sorry it doesn't work that way, her career is what it is is the good and the really bad. And she turned it around last spring and still lost early at Wimbledon. Listen if she is going to prove herself let her do it. I'm not going to give her the benefit of the doubt on a surface she sucks on until she shows me. The record speaks for itself and it is her job to change it. There are so few players that suck on grass till 23 that ever become good on it and her swings just won't allow her to be very good on it. She also isn't a very adaptive player so she can't just change something so fundamental.:wavey: If you want to talk "aberrations" the last year is more of an "aberration" than anything since her career is 7 years long. 6>>>>>>>>>>>>>1

InsideOut.
Jun 18th, 2009, 04:51 PM
To be fair, last year she was cramping really badly against Shahar in Wimbledon. It was a stroke of misfortune that she didn't make the 4th round last year. However, I believe she has the willpower and desire to make any surface work for her. It's not like she hasn't had chances before - 6-3 4-2 against Ana in Wimbly 06 in 3rd round, just to choke and lose 3-6 7-6 6-1, for example. Her mental weakness in the past was her downfall but she's turned it around lately. The only factor I think that would stop her going to the second week this year would be doubt in her own ability since RG, but that sure hasn't been the case in 's-Hertogenbosch so far, but her sucking opponents definitely didn't give her a chance to show whether that was true.

Matt01
Jun 18th, 2009, 04:58 PM
So her history doesn't count now. We should forget alllll of the awful and some very humiliating losses just because she turned it around last year? :scratch: Sorry it doesn't work that way, her career is what it is is the good and the really bad. And she turned it around last spring and still lost early at Wimbledon. Listen if she is going to prove herself let her do it. I'm not going to give her the benefit of the doubt on a surface she sucks on until she shows me. The record speaks for itself and it is her job to change it. There are so few players that suck on grass till 23 that ever become good on it and her swings just won't allow her to be very good on it. She also isn't a very adaptive player so she can't just change something so fundamental.:wavey: If you want to talk "aberrations" the last year is more of an "aberration" than anything since her career is 7 years long. 6>>>>>>>>>>>>>1


Another Venus fan who ist still living in the past. Why am I not surprised? :p

We are talking about the seedings for a tournament so of course Safina's results in the last year or in the last 1-1.5 years are much much more relevant than her results from years ago as an 17 or 18 years young player who not only had mediocre results on grass but also on all other surfaces :tape: :wavey:

Just Do It
Jun 18th, 2009, 05:01 PM
SHE IS RANKED #1 for her 52 weeks results?? So why is she seeded #1 when her 52 weeks results on grass are pathetic?
Venus and Serena will be on same side to prevent an all WILLIAMS final. This is why the seeds were stacked?
Masha being 24 seed is plain wrong, they are trying to give great white hopes a chance at a trophy. :(:(:help::)

Calm down :rolleyes:

Slammer7
Jun 18th, 2009, 05:05 PM
[QUOTE=iPatty;15892164]Why is there a :) face at the end of that obnoxious list? Secretly happy about white supremacy?
OMG, whenever something slightly insults the Williams sisters fans, which this post clearly doesn't, in fact it is in support of the Williams, people still pull the race card, despicable

Look there are like 5 or 6 people that talk about that constantly that is NOT the entire, a majority or even a sizable minority of Willams fans. I am soooooo sick of people finding some way of painting 100+ posters for the words of 5 or 6. You are making a sweeping generalization and a very silly one at that. I don't judge all Sharapova fans by 1 or 2 jerks, I don't judge all Dokic fans by 1 or 2 jerks, but obviously you and certain lazy and ignorant others do. Name the folks you don't like don't paint dozen of people with one large shaggy brush.:rolleyes:

I will never get why they (Williams Sisters) should get an special threatment, they both have played full schedules in the past year and its only their fault the fact that they are not number one and number two in the world. Or in fact it´s Safina´s fault because she has performed more consistently in the past 12 months.

WS aren't asking for special treatment. If Maria wasn't given a special seeding and Wimbledon didn't have a history of bumping seeding based on recent grasscourt success folks wouldn't be upset. Don't go half way and then punk out, go all the way. That is most peoples problem don't just fiddle around for Maria and then say you have to respect the rankings for everybody else. :rolleyes:
Safinas last 6 month are way better than Venus. So Safina deserves to be seeded number 1. Safinas last 3 month are also better than Serenas. So for the moment Safina is the best, Venus won wimbledon one year ago, she cant live on that for ever. In that case Martina Navratilova can get a wild card and be seeded number one.


And its good for wimbledon that it wont be an all williams final. The stadium will be full of audience no matter whos playing. But it will be more TV-public now when is clear that it wont be an all williams final.

How many times does it have to be explained. No one says Venus should be ranked #1 for the whole rest of the season on all surfaces, DAMN. It's just grass. Wimbledon has a history of giving special seeding to outstanding grasscourters. Safina sucks at Wimbledon and Venus excels there. It doesn't matter what the rankings are it's about grasscourt performance. It was a joke when Kuerten was seeded #1 at Wimbledon years ago when you knew he could only win 1 match there. If Safina is the #1 seed at the U.S Open no one will ask for Venus and Serena to be bumped over her, the same thing with the AO or the FO. But Wimbledon alter seedings and that is the point. How else did 59th ranked Maria become the 24th seed? Geeze.:tape:

Slammer7
Jun 18th, 2009, 05:18 PM
Another Venus fan who ist still living in the past. Why am I not surprised? :p

We are talking about the seedings for a tournament so of course Safina's results in the last year or in the last 1-1.5 years are much much more relevant than her results from years ago as an 17 or 18 years young player who not only had mediocre results on grass but also on all other surfaces :tape: :wavey:

We are talking about seeding for Wimbledon were her past results on grass are taken into account and as we established those are not very good. In the last 3 weeks Safina has called herself a "chicken" on center court. Sorry but I can't live it the future. I can't eat a steak from a cow that isn't born yet.:lol: 20 and 21 are not 17 and 18 and this is tennis were if you aren't good at 20 people start righting you epitaph. It's funny how my being a Venus fan is supposed to cloud my judgment of Safina while your being a Spirlea fan isn't clouding yours about Venus.:scratch: Since we are talking about the future, like I said she has to show me. That means in the next 2+ weeks (the future I believe) she has a chance to show if she has indeed improved. Other than that here past still reflects her future.:wavey:

misael
Jun 18th, 2009, 05:20 PM
Let's imagine this hypothetical situation: Serena is ranked first in the world, but the Roland Garros organisation commitee decide to give the number one seed to Justine Henin based on her past results.

The uproar from Dawn Maree and her friends would result in WTAworld = database error for weeks! :lick:

But still, it would be okay not to seed Safina number one even if she is the number one player in the world. :bs:
Thank You for making sense! Dawn Maree would be complaining no matter what.

Vaidisova Ruled
Jun 18th, 2009, 05:21 PM
Nicole Vaidisova NOT SEEDED !!!!
What is happening in this world?
Pathetic

sammy01
Jun 18th, 2009, 05:21 PM
the only real question is why more people don't have dawn on ignore lmao

Polikarpov
Jun 18th, 2009, 05:23 PM
Someone did a computation of the rankings using the formula implemented by the ATP at MTF and Dinara still ended up as the top seed, followed by Venus, then Serena.

Tennisstar86
Jun 18th, 2009, 05:26 PM
Someone did a computation of the rankings using the formula implemented by the ATP at MTF and Dinara still ended up as the top seed, followed by Venus, then Serena.

Lies...

I used the formula and Venus ended up number 1 with 10707
Safina second with 10000+
and Serena 3rd with 9800+

misael
Jun 18th, 2009, 05:27 PM
I don't get the whole Maria seeding , do you really want Maria to be unseeded and play your favorite in the 1st round, she'll have a better then 50% of beating any seeded player in the first round, she is hungry. I know if i was a seeded player , i would want maria to be seeded as well, no way would I want to meet her in the 1st round.

Matt01
Jun 18th, 2009, 05:30 PM
We are talking about seeding for Wimbledon were her past results on grass are taken into account and as we established those are not very good. In the last 3 weeks Safina has called herself a "chicken" on center court. Sorry but I can't live it the future. I can't eat a steak from a cow that isn't born yet.:lol: 20 and 21 are not 17 and 18 and this is tennis were if you aren't good at 20 people start righting you epitaph. It's funny how my being a Venus fan is supposed to cloud my judgment of Safina while your being a Spirlea fan isn't clouding yours about Venus.:scratch: Since we are talking about the future, like I said she has to show me. That means in the next 2+ weeks (the future I believe) she has a chance to show if she has indeed improved. Other than that here past still reflects her future.:wavey:


"Past still reflects the future"....what a load of crap. I was not talking about the future. I am talking about the present. And Safina doesn't need to show you anything. She is the current #1, the people form the Wimbledon commitee (who know probably more about tennis than you do) have decided that she is seeded #1 at Wimbledon. One day you'll get over it.

InsideOut.
Jun 18th, 2009, 05:36 PM
I don't get the whole Maria seeding , do you really want Maria to be unseeded and play your favorite in the 1st round, she'll have a better then 50% of beating any seeded player in the first round, she is hungry. I know if i was a seeded player , i would want maria to be seeded as well, no way would I want to meet her in the 1st round.

But she is being bumped all the way up to #24. I personally think #32 would have been more justifiable. The organisers clearly just wanted her to avoid a top 8 seed in the 3rd round. But, I mean, surely a highly anticipated 3rd round clash would only sell more tickets for the 1st week!

Mackep83
Jun 18th, 2009, 06:19 PM
You are not too bright...... When Venus is in the finals, the ratings are higher... the highest rated final is Venus vs. Davenport...... The williams sister finals are second to these.... noone watched Amelie vs. Justine...

Noone watched justine vs mauresmo? okey...

Maybe some americans enjoy all williams final, rest of the world dont wanna see it. and mauresmo vs justine final are way better than any all williams boring final.

Helen Lawson
Jun 18th, 2009, 06:35 PM
I get the impression Wimbledon's not wild about "colored" girls winning, particularly ones who came from the ghetto, but you can't take away someone's no. 1 world ranking. Dinara is quite obviously a very unpopular no. 1 for various reasons, but there's a clear computer system on rankings and she's no. 1 by quite a bit. If Venus and Serena want to be guaranteed to be on opposite sides of the draw, they need to play a full schedule and get consistent(ly good) results so they are nos. 1 and 2. It's not Dinara's fault they don't, and we should not be heaping scorn on her.

I'm a little surprised they did a favor for Sharapova, I cannot imagine 1999 they would have moved up Conchita in such a manner. Whatever. I'm not going to lose sleep over it, she did great at the French on her worst surface and was respectable in Birmingham and has a legitimate injury claim.

*Jean*
Jun 18th, 2009, 06:37 PM
Some of you need to get a life, or a brain, or both. :o
Safina is the number one in the world, deal with it.
And funny (or not) people wanting Vaidisova or something being seeded, just WOW.
GO MARIA...

HRHoliviasmith
Jun 18th, 2009, 06:38 PM
I get the impression Wimbledon's not wild about "colored" girls winning, particularly ones who came from the ghetto, but you can't take away someone's no. 1 world ranking. Dinara is quite obviously a very unpopular no. 1 for various reasons, but there's a clear computer system on rankings and she's no. 1 by quite a bit. If Venus and Serena want to be guaranteed to be on opposite sides of the draw, they need to play a full schedule and get consistent(ly good) results so they are nos. 1 and 2. It's not Dinara's fault they don't, and we should not be heaping scorn on her.


:worship:

Doc
Jun 18th, 2009, 06:41 PM
They couldn't move both WS above Dinara, and doing that is the only thing that would have guaranteed the sisters being on different halves of the draw - so they left things as they are.

faboozadoo15
Jun 18th, 2009, 06:46 PM
They couldn't move both WS above Dinara, and doing that is the only thing that would have guaranteed the sisters being on different halves of the draw - so they left things as they are.

Probably.
Do people chose to ignore this?

SAEKeithSerena
Jun 18th, 2009, 06:56 PM
I think it's a pretty good bet Venus can go deep in this tournament. She's always able to clean up after a rocky-looking French Open," Carillo said in a conference call with the media to promote ESPN's Wimbledon coverage. "Honestly, I'm not sure it's right at all Dinara Safina is the top seed at Wimbledon. Venus has won it five times and Serena has won it twice. Especially on grass where the seeding committee can tweak the seedings, I truly believe Venus deserves to be seeded one."

Mary Carillo



serena 1, venus 2. so i sort of agree.

Matt01
Jun 18th, 2009, 07:05 PM
Maybe some americans enjoy all williams final, rest of the world dont wanna see it. and mauresmo vs justine final are way better than any all williams boring final.


Correct.

Slammer7
Jun 18th, 2009, 07:11 PM
"Past still reflects the future"....what a load of crap. I was not talking about the future. I am talking about the present. And Safina doesn't need to show you anything. She is the current #1, the people form the Wimbledon commitee (who know probably more about tennis than you do) have decided that she is seeded #1 at Wimbledon. One day you'll get over it.

What a load of crap everything you say is. Oh and insults and pejoratives become you. :kiss: I am not upset that a player who has yet to win three matches in a row EVER at Wimbledon is the #1 seed. That is AELTC embarrassment :o and Dinara's not mine. You didn't want Dinara's past taken into accout. So how much do we eliminate the last 7 years for Dinara the last 2 years or the last 3 weeks? Please be logically consistent here you said the past doesn't matter and talked about Dinara's future. The present is today not last week not last month. You want her ranking to be such a big deal well that's the last 52 weeks right? Well as far as I know that's the past too.:wavey: She can have all the weeks at #1 she wants, I'm fine watching people win grandslam titles. I've seen plenty of slamless #1's the last 9 years thank you. Once again Wimbledon has a history of adjusting seedings based on past grasscourt success (Sharapova) and Safina is probably the least accomplished #1 seed as far as grasscourt and Wimbledon success in modern history. If she was 17 or 18 and had just skyrocketed in the last 10 months up the rankings and had a limited history at Wimbledon then it wouldn't be such an embarrassment for her to be the #1 seed. But that is not the case. My faves have won slams ranked at a bunch of different seedings, even unseeded :D so it's doesn't hurt me any. It's just a shame that the committee went half way on things. Good luck to Dinara lets see if she can see what middle Sunday looks like in singles for the first time.:)

Dunlop1
Jun 18th, 2009, 07:12 PM
I am personally happy Safina is seeded #1 for a number of reasons.

She has earned the seed. Bringing the #1 seed down is useless. Venus and Serena at 2 and 3 is fine.

The impossibility of an all WS final. Incredibly boring to me and legion fans outside of this board.

CloudAtlas
Jun 18th, 2009, 07:25 PM
Dinara is like 1700 points ahead of Serena , as if she'd get bumped to #3 :rolleyes:

jdog3008
Jun 18th, 2009, 07:27 PM
I just want Venus, Serena, and Maria to be in different quarters.
The seeding doesn't really matter.

Craigy
Jun 18th, 2009, 07:34 PM
Correct.

Incorrect.

Slammer7
Jun 18th, 2009, 07:37 PM
Dinara is like 1700 points ahead of Serena , as if she'd get bumped to #3 :rolleyes:

How many points is Maria behind Alona?:scratch: All people want is consistency from the AELTC.

Slutiana
Jun 18th, 2009, 07:37 PM
Incorrect.
PREACH IT!!! :bowdown::bounce::lol::lol::p:p:inlove::hearts::sp ort::worship::lol:

Slutiana
Jun 18th, 2009, 07:40 PM
Dinara is like 1700 points ahead of Serena , as if she'd get bumped to #3 :rolleyes:
Sorry, but im incapable of taking anything a Wozniacki fan says serously.

ikarinokami
Jun 18th, 2009, 07:43 PM
Correct.

not to let the facts get in the way or anything, but i am quite certain last year's all willaims final set record tv viewership records for a women's final around the globe.

AndreConrad
Jun 18th, 2009, 07:43 PM
How many points is Maria behind Alona?:scratch: All people want is consistency from the AELTC.
That is not a good argument Maria is 198 points behind Alona. I think it was wrong to bump Maria and would be wrong to bump Venus... Neither does anything, neither of the women needs it... and two wrongs don't make it right ;)

sammy01
Jun 18th, 2009, 07:46 PM
not to let the facts get in the way or anything, but i am quite certain last year's all willaims final set record tv viewership records for a women's final around the globe.

it certainly didn't in the UK. the girls singles final drew more viewers.