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"Topaz"
Sep 8th, 2002, 07:17 PM
No. At least, not yet. The Serena's bandwagon has to be created first. So far, it has been one Williamses' bandwagon with Venus as the dominating figure. No need to dwell on the reasons why Venus was the lead. The numbers in terms of slams, trophies, earned moneys, business deals, were (some still are) in Venus's favor. And there is the power of being there first.

Now, we have two alternatives: we can split the family bandwagon and have one for Venus and one for Serena, or we can keep the same single bandwagon and have Serena as the leading figure. Many of us deep down have been toiling with the latter alternative. We are tennis lovers and could see Serena's potentials way back in 1999 when she got her first US Open. Williams Pop saw it way before that, but this is old story.

Serena up until this year was plagued with injuries, stomach sickness during matches and major mental blocks against top players and her sister. Then three things happened. First, a full-time trainer was hired to watch over training, nutrition, establish physical limits for these pushy Williams, and attend to any tears as early as possible before they progress into major ailments. Second, a good Summer and yearend last year (2001), to shed the mental blocks. Third, this is the big punch: the commitment at the beginning of this year to be number 1 by yearend, and the maturity to do it. The convergence of these three elements has meant success beyond belief. Williams fans were quick to notice that the "big sis little sis" dichotomy was being challenged. The comfort of Venus first, Serena second, was under attack. After RG, Wimbledon, many of us realized Venus had become the underdog. We were sadden and hoped for another Venus resurgence as we've seen many in the past.

Now, I'm going out on a limb to say that Serena has passed Venus for good. It's not unlike two rising curves where one (Serena's) starting later with a higher slope meets the other one (Venus's) and takes the lead while both are still rising. It has to do with basic biomechanics, basic instincts and basic deeply burried mental algorithms. When presure is on and the nerves are acting up, these basic elements come to the fore and take over. If you lead in them, you win the match, otherwise you lose. Training can and do help you improve on, or correct, these elements. But at time of major strains, the training may vanish. Venus has had problems with her first and second serves for years. If you look back at her match with Spirlea (1997) shown recently on tv, you can see she had the same biomechanics then as now. Diligent training has allowed her to make some improvements. When she's fully collected after deep breaths, she can bring on that training and deliver outstanding first serves; the last game against Momo at the semis is an example. Otherwise, she fails; refer to the match with Chanda and the final yesterday. The same argument can be made about her forehand which can fail when she's tired or over-stressed.

Serena, on the other hand, has better biomechanics on both the serve and the forehand. When the heat is on, these two parts of her game hold quite firmly. Also, psychologists will tell you that if you express your feelings outwards, you're more likely to clear up your mind than if you hold back and maintain the same game face all the way through. As such, you could say psychology favors Serena. Given that the rest of their games is pretty much even, ie, backhand, net performance, volley, defense, and by now mental strength, you can infer that Serena, overall, has the edge.

Now, are Williams fans going to create a Serena's bandwagon and move onto it en masse? I don't know. Certainly, I won't be the one to promote it. My current stand is for one Williamses' bandwagon with Serena at the lead and Venus right in there with the style, the charm, the elegance and posture that I deeply cherish. Venus is still way up there and her tank is far from empty.

TennisPower.

Hulet
Sep 8th, 2002, 07:26 PM
I am still comfy in the venus-followed-by-serena bandwagon. No reason to start jumping now.

irma
Sep 8th, 2002, 07:33 PM
After wimbledon I had a feeling that many fans where cleary on the venusbandwagon, some where not very friendly towards serena that day! haven't read anything now though so maybe it calmed down a bit!

Infiniti2001
Sep 8th, 2002, 07:36 PM
As far as I am concerned there's only room on the Venus bandwagon for me :P

CHOCO
Sep 8th, 2002, 07:44 PM
Tennis Power - you make some fine points.

However, I would say that many detractors, naysayers and cynics of the Williams are jumping on "Serena's baandwagon". They seem to go by that old adage: If you can't beat'em, join'em.

I think Serena and Venus will fight it out for years to come to see who is the best. And I'm going to enjoy every minute of the journey.

GO WILLIAMS!!!!!!!:)

Helen Lawson
Sep 8th, 2002, 07:47 PM
To me, most "Williams" fans are more fans of Venus than Serena. Serena is a close second. It was fine when Serena won the French because she "really deserved it" and it had been so long since her last victory. Then was Wimbledon, when Venus looked really good. Still they were silent over Serena's incredible win, figuring Venus would pull out the U.S. Open. But Venus looked a little scrappy at this tournament and it was no surprise when Serena won again. I think there will be a split among some fans, Serena is no longer lil' sis they enjoying seeing do well. She is now Venus' biggest rival, the woman who stops her from winning tournaments. This year, it was many tournaments. It will be interesting to see what comes of this. Serena was always the "better" player when playing her absolute best, but until this year, she wasn't able to do that at many tournaments. Venus has always been the more consistent one. Serena has picked up some consistency, though I think Venus was sub-par at this year's U.S. Open, and it was hard to see how well she was or wasn't playing at the French because she ended up with an incredibly easy draw. Will Serena be able to maintain her consistency? Will Venus up her game? Only time will tell. But there is not a large "Serena only" fan base. Maybe it will grow.

"Topaz"
Sep 8th, 2002, 08:54 PM
Helen wrote
there is not a large "Serena only" fan base. Maybe it will grow.
CHOCO wrote
many detractors, naysayers and cynics of the Williams are jumping on "Serena's bandwagon". They seem to go by that old adage: If you can't beat'em, join'em.
Yes, they will try to create that Serena's bandwagon and jump on it hoping to split the Williams fans. But those same detractors will have to struggle with their own arguments, as many of these arguments apply to both sisters.

Meanwhile, I'll ride on one Williamses' bandwagon with Serena as the established leading player and Venus, my heart favorite. Not the best situation, but the one Serena has forced me to assent to through her outstanding performance. I'll be happy, ... I think.

iluvtrent
Sep 8th, 2002, 09:16 PM
I just wonder if this is what Richard had in mind when he was predicting his daughter's competing against each other at GS.

No one in the Williams family looked particularly happy last night, ie Oracene, Lyndrea, Richard, not even V & S.

tennischick
Sep 8th, 2002, 09:30 PM
i have always and only been a fan of Serena. i dunno anything about this Williams bandwagon thing. i don't see why y'all have such difficulty separating the Sisters, and yet you get angry when non-fans make the same error...:o :o

Serena Miz Gully
Sep 8th, 2002, 09:32 PM
Sall gravy yall. Vee fans keep it tight n got Miz Gully back. Aint no thang cuz they show mad luv.

Rubylips
Sep 8th, 2002, 09:34 PM
Myself,I donot CARE ,as long as it"s a WILLIAMS AT THE END.IT"S the public going in circle,not the Williams sister.Venus is happy Serena finally getting here gravy.Rememmber, Serena will tell you,she benifit,from Venus in all ways.Lord this is a family affair,let"s get real.As long as it a Williams finale the whole family win.That it.Trully now this will make Venus go home and work hard,them who will take on the girls again.As i said ,before as long as its a Williams final,Iam HAPPYYYYYY.

"Topaz"
Sep 8th, 2002, 10:20 PM
Originally posted by tennischick
i have always and only been a fan of Serena. i dunno anything about this Williams bandwagon thing. i don't see why y'all have such difficulty separating the Sisters, and yet you get angry when non-fans make the same error...:o :o
- who has difficulty separating the Sisters?
- which error is that?

How come I have the feeling you're not too jubilant even though Serena won? :p :p

TeeRexx
Sep 8th, 2002, 10:34 PM
As the unofficial chairman of the Williams Tennis Association, I am and will always will support both WILLIAMS.

I have always been on SERENA & VENUS' bandwagons.
I just like riding on VENUS' the most. :)

Go WILLIAMS!!

Volcana
Sep 8th, 2002, 11:19 PM
1) I've only ever been on the Venus bandwagon, and I'm not switching.

2) NON-Williams fans will be jumping on the Serena bandwagon.

nysaga
Sep 8th, 2002, 11:27 PM
Venus had more fans because she started dominating first. Now Serena has taken over, kicking Venus to the curb. Beating Venus at 3 GS in a row is dominance.

LucasArg
Sep 8th, 2002, 11:35 PM
Nice post Tennis Power. ALso I agree with Choco:)

My 1st favorite is Venus, then comes Serena, I don't know why, but that's how I feel. Of course I always support Serena cos I like her very much too, but not against Venus.

It is great for me that Venus has to step it up to beat "lil sis", and I'm going to enjoy it.;)

:wavey:

kiwifan
Sep 9th, 2002, 12:30 AM
Originally posted by LucasArg
My 1st favorite is Venus, then comes Serena, I don't know why, but that's how I feel. Of course I always support Serena cos I like her very much too, but not against Venus.

It is great for me that Venus has to step it up to beat "lil sis", and I'm going to enjoy it.;)

:wavey: :cool: :cool: :cool:

I agree with the above quote and will add that now the Sisters are playing for history. I will root based on that factor.

For that reason I will support Serena 100% at the Aussie Open.

4 in a row is the Serena Slam. Gotta love it!!!:bounce: :bounce: :bounce:

If she going to lose to anyone, I hope it's Venus; but at this stage it is more important for Serena to get 4 in a row, than Venus to get back on the charts.

That said, gotta root for Venus at the French because she hasn't won it yet.

And so on and so on...

Get the picture, y'all?

Don't become divided, haters hate, playas congratulate!!!:cool: :cool: :cool:

Here's to many more years of Sister Slams!!!:kiss: :hearts: :angel: :hearts: :kiss:

Sam L
Sep 9th, 2002, 01:08 AM
I only like Venus

tennischick
Sep 9th, 2002, 01:28 AM
Originally posted by TennisPower
- who has difficulty separating the Sisters?
- which error is that?

How come I have the feeling you're not too jubilant even though Serena won? :p :p

you seem to have trouble separating them TP. all that talk about a Williams bandwagon and all. what the heck is up with that?? i'm just letting you know that for an admittedly small handful of us, there never was a Williams bandwagon. there was always and only a Serena bandwagon. if others feel like joining, well then hey, come along. but i don't appreciate the POV that the Serena bandwagon is some new creation just bec Venus can't find her groove against L'il Sis. just wanted you to remember that i have been here all along and that Venus just never cut it for me but Serena always did. OK?

about the error thing. lotsa you Williams fans make much to-do about the fact that folks don't seem to separate the Sisters but react to them as if they are a unit when in fact thay are separate and different people. then you turn around and make the same error. seems a tad inconsistent to me...:p :p

and if you have any doubt about my jubilance, you should have heard the noise coming from my place last night. or maybe you did which is why you got no rest last night what with the shrieks and all. next time just join the party instead of wasting time with all this bandwagon foolishness y'hear? ...:kiss: :kiss:

TSequoia01
Sep 9th, 2002, 02:36 AM
I am happy for the Princess of Power's win yesterday and also alittle sad for Venus. Venus used to defeat Serena all the time. That never stopped me from rooting for either Sister. Now that Lil Sis is running things, I will still root for both. Got to admit though, I was hoping Venus would win the Open. But I rooted for Serena at the French. Call me fickle. ;)

nikita771
Sep 9th, 2002, 03:14 AM
Although I like both Venus and Serena, I am first and foremost a Venus fan. I want to see her do well. At the same time, I would never root against Serena - unless she's playing Venus. I'm sticking with Venus through the good and bad. I"m happy for Serena's success, but I'm not jumping ship any time soon. I'm not going to get mad at Serena for spanking Venus, but I would like to see Venus get some type of control back when it comes to handling Serena.

"Topaz"
Sep 9th, 2002, 03:18 AM
Tennischick, I know you can be intelligent when you want to. Read my initial post once more, and this time with a cool head. Have a good night, my dear. May the bandwagon of happiness take you to heaven and back. :kiss: :kiss:

Good luck, Venus and Serena, in your next endeavors!

deydreemyn
Sep 9th, 2002, 08:35 AM
I like them both but Venus is my favorite and I always pull for her to win except at Roland Garros.

On the other hand, since I like other players on any given day I will pick someone other then Serena to win depending on the tornament and who she is playing. But Venus is my fav player over everyone including lil sis. :bounce:

Roseie
Sep 9th, 2002, 12:50 PM
Really, does people here think Venus is worrying or care about how fans feel. That woman have a full life.
She plays though boos, & does not look upset. She smiles & waves to the blur in the stands, with a nice smile, thanks them for their support, & goes on about her business, that tells you that what people think does not worry her. Venus wants a sucesfull career, that means winning more than loseing, & she's doing that. Fans come & go. what does it watter to her. How many of us does she meet. She plays her match, looks up at a blur of people in the stands, who she will never meet. we think about her more than she thinks about us. We, as fans, really think we're inportant, but we're not.