We have what many said would never happen with all the "depth" on the women's tour-a dominator in the style of a Graf. Seles, or Navratilova. Hats off to Serena :bounce:
It's only one year year though. In my mind she has several challenges ahead to keep her going and motivated:
1. Win an Aussie. This gives her a career grand slam, something no one else in her generation has.
2. Drive up her slam total. Past Venus, past Martina Hingis. 5 puts her up there in the "great" category. She'll need 10 to move into an all-time top 10. Strike while you can Serena, domination only lasts a few years!
3. Achieve the hardest of them all, the Grand Slam.
Sep 8th, 2002, 12:32 PM
1. This is inevitable, she will win it if not next year, another year.
2. This is possible, it depends on her motivation and whether a new threat to the top spot emerges in the next 4-5 years.
3. This will come down to Venus, who IMO is the only player who can stop her. That is, Venus who's worked on her serve.
Good challenges Rollo ;)
Sep 8th, 2002, 12:50 PM
Many people on this board seemed to have forgotten the important fact that Venus and Serena now have the exact same number of GS titles (4), and the exact same number of match victories against each other (5) in their careers. It should also be noted that Venus has more tournament wins in her career (27) than Serena (14), and that Venus has a higher percentage of matches won than Serena. In other words, as obviously impressive and dominant as Serena's record has been THIS YEAR, it is equally clear that based on their mutual career records Serena is by no means "dominant." That hasn't happened yet (and there's no guarantee that it will ever happen either). One year (or even two or three) does not a "dominant" career make. If you don't believe this obvious truth consider that from 1997-1999 Martina Hingis won 5 GS titles and Venus and Serena had NONE. Or that from 2000-2002 Venus had 4 GS titles and Serena only had ONE. There are many other examples as well, but the point is made. Until Serena truly moves away from the rest of the WTA in all the areas mentioned above it is far too early to assert that Serena is the dominant player in women's tennis (or even in her own family). She's had a dominant YEAR for sure, but things can, and most probably will, change. Assertions of dominance in any sport has to be measured over an ENTIRE CAREER before any rational final conclusions can be made about that player's position or status in history. So far the list of truly dominant players in women's tennis (as it is in all sports) is a very short one: Court, BJK, Evert, Navritilova, Seles, Graf. So before people start insisting on Serena's "dominance" and consigning Venus to the dustbin of history, I suggest they pay attention to the reality of what is going on instead of the hype. Let's see what develops in the next five years first before we declare such a premature victory on Serena's part (or anyone's else's for that matter), but SO FAR whether people like it or not Venus and Serena are still very much competing with EACH OTHER over career #1 status in the WTA and in their own household in the 21st century (e.g. the last three years). In fact, SO FAR Venus still has a slight edge. Frankly I'm betting on BOTH VENUS AND SERENA to become "dominant" in the next few years, the way both of them have since 1999, LOL
Sep 8th, 2002, 01:35 PM
Your point about Venus is well taken Informative:) I wasn't comparing their overall careers though. I am saying Serena has acheived what no one else since Hingis has-dominance, as defined by what truly counts, grand slams. One year dominance, maybe no more, but still she's miles above her competition for the year.
I feel safe in asserting Serena's dominance, even if temporary. 3 slams in one year is a magical number. With slams one less slam would still leave you tied or ahead of everyone else for the year. Once you acheive 3 slams no one else can even claim to be #1, even on the WTA's wretched computer. Remember how even though Venus had two slams in both 2000 and 2001 she wasn't computer #1? Now we'll have a year end computer #1 everyone can agree on:)
Also, as grand as 2000-1 were for Venus, she failed to crack the tough nut of the French Open. The difference in tour titles isn't a big factor to me. If we start counting tour titles then Venus and Serena are miles behind Hingis. As Johny Mac would say, "You cannot be serious".
Venus may well bounce back. Davenport could be a factor too, as she pushed Serena more than her sister did at the Open. For now though, Serena is dominant. She's earned it:)
BTW, some press have said Serena is the 5th female to win the French-Wimbledon-Aussie combo. Not true.
Wills(28-29), Connolly(53), Court(70), King (72), Navratilova(84), and Graf (88,93,95-6) makes six before Serena.
Sep 8th, 2002, 01:43 PM
Rollo, I agree about Serena's "temporary" dominance, but that depends on Venus to make it temporary or permanent. I agree with Informative too and I noticed that their numbers are dead even now. So in a way it's like this is the beginning of a new rivalry.
Regarding the press, I think most of them ignore Wills and Connolly because they're pre-open era :rolleyes: You know, the usual tag 5th player in the OPEN-ERA to win the triple crown.
Sep 8th, 2002, 02:06 PM
I'm just imagining where Venus would be among the all time greats if Richard and Oracene had decided not to have another child. Venus would have cleaned up all the events after the Australian if not for Serena, IMO.
Sep 8th, 2002, 02:23 PM
but they did have another child and she is dominating and i agree with Rollo. i want to see Serena win OZ 2003 thereby achieving a Career Grand Slam, and then continue to distance herself from Venus and Hingis (her contemporaries) by winning several more. she has Graf's potential -- including the level of aggressiveness and determination necessary. go Serena!!!!!!!!!
Sep 8th, 2002, 02:31 PM
It's the "Serena Slam" according to Serena, great name :)
Sep 8th, 2002, 02:37 PM
i didn't hear that. that's cool. lol!!! ;)
Sep 8th, 2002, 04:55 PM
Informative Serena has more than 14 wins. I think it is now 17! I will look it up later. :confused: