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Tennis Fool
Sep 8th, 2002, 02:06 AM
:D :o :D

Becool
Sep 8th, 2002, 02:17 AM
:D :D :D!!!

M2k
Sep 8th, 2002, 02:29 AM
Damn! Everything started so well, now it looks like V is gonna get trashed as well... :sad:

Tennis Fool
Sep 8th, 2002, 02:42 AM
What a demonstrative performance by Serena; didn't let a set slip in the whole tournament.

And she made older sis look like shyt.

Shane54
Sep 8th, 2002, 02:44 AM
I believe that with a 4-0 record and 8-0 set record against big sis that YES Serena has dominated.

Final grand slam count for the year:

Serena 3
Jennifer 1
Venus ZERO

Canek
Sep 8th, 2002, 02:46 AM
Serena has thrashed Venus, but Venus played shit! 33 UE's :eek: 10 double faults :eek: 51 points won :o

M2k
Sep 8th, 2002, 02:48 AM
aww...poor Venus :sad:

venusfan
Sep 8th, 2002, 02:49 AM
Venus serve did let her down. she needs a reality check that Serena isn't giving her free points..

Right now Serena is indeed the true #1 player in the world but Venus will come back.

nysaga
Sep 8th, 2002, 02:53 AM
Venus must be devastated inside. I'd hate to be in her position.

selesrules
Sep 8th, 2002, 02:54 AM
OMG, what humiliation! Venus lost 3 consecutive grandslam finals to her sister in STRAIGHT SETS! For all of those who keep acting like Venus is some Goddess, she's not! She's Serena's BITCH!

And the title of this thread is right, it's Serena domination not the Williams. 0-4 all in straight sets this year :rolleyes:

Venus you are not the best and you never will be, SERENA IS THE QUEEN. No woman who got spanked in 3 consecutive grandslam finals deserves to be called the greatest, not now and not EVER!

Irish
Sep 8th, 2002, 02:55 AM
Please change 'raped' to something else. Pretty derogatory.

CHOCO
Sep 8th, 2002, 03:03 AM
Canek - I know English is not your first language, but you should refrain from using such offensive language.

Tennis Fool
Sep 8th, 2002, 03:03 AM
Pac McEnroe just mentioned that Serena is separating herself from sis.

I think this will be the story of the next year:

Will the tour catch up with the Williams' and will Venus catch up with Serena (Talk about pressure!)

Cybelle Darkholme
Sep 8th, 2002, 03:04 AM
yes serena spanked venus, but the williams sisters are still dominating. Who has been in the last three slam finals? Who has the most titles on tour? Who is number one and two in the world?

someone named williams, thats who.

Who is the best player this year? Serena.

Venus must develop a strategy to defeat little sister. She must attack the net and improve her serve. GO PRACTICE THAT FREAKING SERVE!!!! CHANGE THE MOTION!!! DO SOMETHING!!! she's as bad as jen and martina not changing her serve!!

here is the top ten

serena
Big GAP
venus
Gap
lindsay
Jen
momo
gap
kim
justine
martina
gap
jelena

Tennis Fool
Sep 8th, 2002, 03:11 AM
serena
Big GAP
venus
Gap
lindsay
Jen
momo
gap
[Insert Monica here:)]
kim
justine
martina
gap
jelena

tennischick
Sep 8th, 2002, 03:11 AM
puh-lease Cybelle, stop trying to hold on to this "Sisters" crap. they were competitors tonite and Serena won. accept it. Venus played her usual defensive game. against any other player, it would have been enuf. but not against Serena, the real champion. the real "gap" is between Serena and everyone else -- including her sister. ;) ;) ;)

just wait til she also wins Australia 2003! go SERENA!!!!!!!!!

:bounce: :bounce: :bounce:

M2k
Sep 8th, 2002, 03:18 AM
Raped is a horrible term to use :sad: please edit you post Canek !

LozHippy
Sep 8th, 2002, 03:25 AM
Serena is dominating Venus, Venus is still dominating the rest.

Hingiswinsthis
Sep 8th, 2002, 03:25 AM
Someone posted a thread about Serena Williams being the best woman player to ever step onto a tennis court, I agree with that tonight. I am so happy she beat Venus, and yes everytime Serena beats Venus, I noticed the media is talking about the sisters as individuals more and more. Serena Williams has got it all she is the true #1 for this year. This has been the Serena year.

DD
Sep 8th, 2002, 03:26 AM
selesrules

the straight sets doesn't count. how many of their matches have gone to straights sets? the sister who wins a match between them wins in straights.

And if Venus is Serena's bitch then WHAT IS THE WHOLE TOUR TO VENUS. ans whore

Canek
Sep 8th, 2002, 03:28 AM
i just saw the term "raped" used several times to describe an easy victory from any of the williams sisters over another player.
I guess that the last time that i saw it was used on Dinara Safina.
Now you understand how the fans of another players feels when you make your comments.
OK i am going to edit my post. hope that you will do the same when somebody ask you to do it.

CJ07
Sep 8th, 2002, 03:33 AM
1. Serena
Gap
2. Venus
Big Gap
3. Lindsay
4. Jennifer
5. Amelie
Monica
Chanda

Gap
8. Justine
9. Jelena
10. Kim

Martina is irrelavent right now
8.

joaco
Sep 8th, 2002, 04:15 AM
OMG, Venus must feel SO humillated. I mean three (!!!) consecutive final loss, that must be too bad

Tennis Fool
Sep 8th, 2002, 04:19 AM
You guys, did you see how Venus gave her sister and the audience the "shrug smile", like "no big deal. I should be disappointed but not really."

Well, just caught a piece of her post-match interview and she was devastated, fighting back tears.

It was horrible.

BK4ever
Sep 8th, 2002, 04:58 AM
It was so sad...the crowd was really trying to get her going. i think her hand being wrapped had something to do with it. Her serve has been great since Wimby so I was surprised that its fallen off...beginning with the Amelie match.

She had alot of trouble with the forehand as well. She needs to come to net more against Serena...Serena is way to aggressive for Vee...she needs to mix the pace up on serena and of course serve better.

I have no doubt Venus will come back in the next couple of weeks better. These losses will spur her on.

gweeny
Sep 8th, 2002, 05:14 AM
Although, I prefer Venus more than Serena. I will have to admit that Serena is clearly better than Venus (hopefully only this year).

I hope Venus improves her serve, gains some confidence, improve the forehand. And start volleying more.

If not, next year, the trophies will go to a williams (but serena name's will be on the trophies)

We should also consider that serena will have to defend 3 grandslams next year. That is a lot of pressure. The pressure will be less on Venus next year.

If serena can defend at least 2, then she is clearly the best. But I will watch and see.

Irish
Sep 8th, 2002, 05:20 AM
Canek, thank you for editing. :D :wavey:

Canek, that was the first time I had seen it used and would have asked anybody to change it no matter who it was used against.

I am surprised people have been using that disgusting term at all for winning a match. :confused: :p :p

selesfan
Sep 8th, 2002, 05:21 AM
Serena is definitely the best player on tour this year.:)

gweeny
Sep 8th, 2002, 05:23 AM
Although, I prefer Venus more than Serena. I will have to admit that Serena is clearly better than Venus (hopefully only this year).

I hope Venus improves her serve, gains some confidence, improve the forehand. And start volleying more.

If not, next year, the trophies will go to a williams (but serena name's will be on the trophies)

We should also consider that serena will have to defend 3 grandslams next year. That is a lot of pressure. The pressure will be less on Venus next year.

If serena can defend at least 2, then she is clearly the best. But I will watch and see.

Tennis Fool
Sep 8th, 2002, 06:43 AM
Bump.

Lynn
Sep 8th, 2002, 06:48 AM
Serena Williams: The best ever?

By STEVE WILSTEIN
.c The Associated Press

NEW YORK (AP) - She's No. 1 in the family, the world and, arguably, the history of women's tennis.

Dancing from clay to grass to hardcourt in a sizzling summer of Grand Slam triumphs, Serena Williams leaped into an elite circle of champions and made a case for being the best woman ever to play the game.

And she's getting better all the time.

It takes a rare talent to win the French Open, Wimbledon and the U.S. Open in succession. Steffi Graf, Martina Navratilova, Billie Jean King and Margaret Smith were the only ones to do it in the Open era.

Serena joined them Saturday night after taking out her big sister, Venus, the two-time defending champion, 6-4, 6-3 in a final that was more historic than dramatic.

Nothing fazes Serena. Not a stalker who was arrested early in the tournament. Not the pressure of sustaining a Grand Slam winning streak that has reached 21 matches. Not the glitz of a final night with champions all around the court, celebrities in the stands, a prime-time television audience watching, and Venus across the net.

Serena's nerves and serves were steady and she launched her body into attacking shots with utter abandon, her feet off the ground, her bleached blond tresses flying, her thick arm and leg muscles gleaming in the lights. She aimed for the lines and frequently hit them.

Three weeks shy of her 21st birthday, Serena won her second U.S. Open and fourth major with a synthesis of power, control, athleticism and tennis savvy that no woman has ever displayed.

Over long careers, Graf and Navratilova are still the champions to beat. They dominated their eras, amassed extraordinary records and had greater single seasons than Serena had this year. Graf swept the four Grand Slam tournaments in 1988. Navratilova won 74 straight matches in 1984. But neither of them, in their prime, could match Serena's serves, foot speed or strength.

Graf and Navratilova only occasionally served faster than 100 mph. Serena does it all the time on first serves, and is often over 110 mph. Her top speed against Venus was 117, and she had only one double-fault. Venus clocked a couple of 120 mph serves, but she double-faulted 10 times.

Graf and Navratilova were faster afoot than any of the women of their time. Venus is faster than they were, and Serena is faster still, reaching balls neither of them would have touched. She can pound winners from the baseline, whack volleys from midcourt, and drill overheads at the net.

If Graf or Navratilova or Evert had an edge over Serena in setting up points and putting away winners, she's catching up quickly. She's learned to harness her power and create points with smart play.

Serena and Venus are even in Grand Slam trophies with four apiece. They could conceivably trade titles and the No. 1 and No. 2 rankings for years. Very little separates them while the gulf is growing between them and the rest of the tour.

But there are hints that suggest Serena will be the one to dominate, that she's more comfortable than Venus in the spotlight and under pressure and that she wants it more.

Venus spoke after the match of being tired, mentally and physically, and needing a break. She's often mentioned having other interests, like fashion design, and a reluctance to have a long tennis career. Losing to her younger sister frequently may be more dispiriting than losing to other players.

``I just had to tune out everything,'' Venus said wearily. ``People just wear you to death and talk so much. I just want to get away from the hype. I think Serena likes the attention.

``She's more of an outgoing person than I am. Everyone has their year, and this is her year. Next year could be her year also. I don't know. But I'm glad she's done well.''

Serena was spurred from an early age by Venus' success, and all the more in the past year after watching her sister surge to No. 1. Now there seems to be no stopping Serena.

``I really wanted to stay No. 1,'' she said. ``I knew that everything was on the line. I'm going to have some fun next year, that's for sure.''

The difference between her now and 1999, when she won the U.S. Open the first time as a precocious 17-year-old, can be measured in every facet of her game: strength, speed, strokes and strategy.

``I'm more mature and more relaxed,'' she said. ``I'm a better player, obviously. I have more fun with what I do. I'm not as stressed out there as I used to be.''

Navratilova was at courtside watching her. Evert came out to flip the coin for serve before the start of the match. Graf didn't stick around to watch, but she was at courtside earlier in the day as her husband, Andre Agassi, beat Lleyton Hewitt to set up a men's final against Pete Sampras.

Those three women's champions own records that Serena might never match. But if they were on a court together, all in their prime, Serena would take them apart.

CHOCO
Sep 8th, 2002, 07:01 AM
GREAT ARTICLE!!!!!!!

Sam L
Sep 8th, 2002, 07:03 AM
I don't think there's a big gap as such between Serena and Venus. Their positions were exactly reverse this time last year. Serena went out and worked on her game and came back like this. That's exactly what Venus needs to do. PLACEMENT is the key for her serves. If she gets her serve working (1st and 2nd), watch out! She'll be back to the GS winners' circle for sure.

Raisin
Sep 9th, 2002, 10:04 AM
I have no problem with Serena @ number 1 and holding all those grand slam trophies even if she's not dominating at all;)

Go Williams Tennis Association:bounce:

wave
Sep 9th, 2002, 11:24 AM
That's what I thought after this match, too. Serena is dominating. Venus might be a clear number 2, but a number two is NOT dominating. When Monica was no. 1 and Steffi second, nobody said that Steffi was dominating the tour. It's no difference because they are sisters. As most Williams fans say, they are two individual persons. Look at them like that: Serena is the dominating force, Venus comes second, but Jen come third and so on. Why does nobody say that Serena, Venus and Jenn are dominating???

O.k. Venus has won a fair amount of non-GS tourneys, but that's not dominating in the tennis life. She struggled during two other matches (Momo and Chanda). Lindsay played as well against Serena as Venus (that said I have to admit that I didn't see the final, but according to the scores and the stats it seems like that).

So get over the Williams domination. It's a Serena domination.
But I hope that Venus can bounce back and will be herself again next year...

Good luck to both and of course my faves as well!

tennischick
Sep 9th, 2002, 11:36 AM
go Serena!!!! dominate for the next 10 years at least!!!!!

:bounce:

Raisin
Sep 9th, 2002, 02:11 PM
Wave, the answer to your question is that the Williams sisters are notches above the other players and Serena is a notch above Venus:)