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lisagayj
Sep 7th, 2002, 03:34 AM
If Venus wins:
Serena 5200 pts
Venus 5037 pts

If Serena wins:
Serena 5394 pts
Venus 4843 pts

Because Venus in particular had so many points to defend and Serena had more than a 250 point lead, once they both made the final, there wasn't enough additional points available for Venus to overtake Serena.

Amanda
Sep 7th, 2002, 03:35 AM
No! If Venus wins, she's #1
---->If Serena wins, she's #1

Becool
Sep 7th, 2002, 03:36 AM
Is that right????

disposablehero
Sep 7th, 2002, 03:38 AM
The WTA uses something called "Quality Points".

lisagayj
Sep 7th, 2002, 10:58 PM
This is a simplied explanation: The difference between this year and last, is Venus gets fifty more quality points than last if she wins. When Venus beat Jen last year, she got 150 quality points and 86 for beating Serena; she got 86 for beating Amelie and would get 200 for beating Serena. Serena would earn less quality points this year, but she won't lose enough points for Venus to overtake her.

I know this isn't the exact point totals, but simple math dictates that Venus can't gain enough points to overtake Serena, I know That Dick Enberg said whoever wins would become number one, but that is incorrect.

disposablehero
Sep 7th, 2002, 11:06 PM
No lisa, you are incorrect.

Venus wins:

Venus 5237
Serena 5200

Serena wins:

Serena 5544
Venus 4843

lisagayj
Sep 7th, 2002, 11:48 PM
Well, I took the numbers from what was on the Tennis Corner and it worked right on the other Grand Slams, but I could have goofed!

I don't how to rectify the points when someone has something in the 18th tournament column. Insight please.

disposablehero
Sep 7th, 2002, 11:52 PM
It doesn't have anything to do with the 18th tournament in this case. As best I can tell, you were doing your math in a dangerous order that promotes mistakes. The best thing to do is simply remove the "Next Off", then add all the players round points and all their quality points from this event. Shortcuts generally lead to miscalculations.

disposablehero
Sep 7th, 2002, 11:56 PM
As far as the 18th tournament goes, if a players 18th tournament ends up being more than what they earned, but less than what they lost, then the 18th tournament goes into their ranking instead of what they earned.

On the other hand, if the 18th tournament is less than what they earned, but more than what they lost, then the 18th tournament is what is subtracted from their ranking instwad of the "points off".

The 17th tournament also becomes a factor at times, but the WTA doesn't release that with the rankings.

lisagayj
Sep 8th, 2002, 12:09 AM
The way you described, is what I did. I paste the information from CBS Sportsline into Excel, and then I paste in the Tennis Corner stuff, then I write the formula. No shortcuts.

I only asked about the 18th tournament because I wasn't 100% sure. I'm ususally only concerned with the top 3, but Dokic always has so many tournaments and if I were to ever be inclined to do all the top players, I wanted to make sure what I was suppose to do with that other information. Thank you.