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JadeFox
May 15th, 2009, 07:57 PM
This is a thread for analyzing just what's going on with Jelena. Lack of intensity? Bad movement? Not enough glitter? WHAT IS GOING ON?! :shout: :shout:

~Kiera~
May 15th, 2009, 08:00 PM
She doesn't seem to have any glitter at all. They've killed our sparkly queen :sad:

Optima
May 15th, 2009, 08:01 PM
Well, in my opinion, lots of things happened at the wrong time. Tennis is such an individual sport, where many things effect a player, you have to be in the zone with everything in your life, everything in your game. Etcheberry screwed up her body, which screwed up her movement, which screwed up her timing, which screwed up her shots, which screwed up her confidence. That, along with the number 1 ranking, her mother's health, and Jelena's general lack of mental strength does not go well together.

дalex
May 15th, 2009, 08:02 PM
Oh no... Please no analysis thread. Make it "The times when we hate JJ thread!" where we can call her names after bad losses! :lol:

MaBaker
May 15th, 2009, 08:06 PM
Don't you think that "WTF isn't wrong with JJ" thread would be more appropriate ? :)

Princeza
May 15th, 2009, 08:11 PM
She doesn't seem to have any glitter at all. They've killed our sparkly queen :sad:

She lost her mojo :sad:

JadeFox
May 15th, 2009, 08:12 PM
Oh no... Please no analysis thread. Make it "The times when we hate JJ thread!" where we can call her names after bad losses! :lol:

WEll if you wanna bitch then go ahead. You can bitch here all you want.

oneandonly
May 15th, 2009, 08:13 PM
What is wrong with her? I'll tell you what is wrong with her.
She is a complete and utter goat that is wrong with her :weirdo::smash:.

дalex
May 15th, 2009, 08:13 PM
I'm bitching pretty much everywhere atm. :lol:

JadeFox
May 15th, 2009, 08:18 PM
Don't you think that "WTF isn't wrong with JJ" thread would be more appropriate ? :)

Probably. But I just want to figure out what the hell is going on with our favorite infuriating drama queen.

I think the one thing that bothers me about these losses are that they are to some random ass people. Dulko, Schnyder aren't exactly GOATS. It's like a two steps forward, one step back deal now. On the one hand, she's not losing in the first round anymore. On the other hand, she's still losing to these random players that a year ago she would be beating. :help:

ms_nut
May 15th, 2009, 08:18 PM
I'm bitching pretty much everywhere atm. :lol:

And doesn't it feel great.. :drool:

JJ wanted to teach the Madrid organizers a lesson. So she purposely lost so that they wouldn't have a great SF line up..Little did the stupid b*tch not realize was that she was also shooting herself in the foot.

There.. i feel so much better already.:D

Brena
May 15th, 2009, 08:24 PM
I'm much more upset than I sound.
Actually, I'm having heart-palpitations on account of JJ and I'm wondering who is a greater retard - she or me?

ms_nut
May 15th, 2009, 08:31 PM
^^ I had a contingency plan prepared for tomorrow's loss to Safina.. i didn't expect her to lose today..:sad::sad:

I feel the same way, i'm acting way calmer than i really feel...

дalex
May 15th, 2009, 08:31 PM
Well in an attempt to sound serious after foaming over this loss in every possible thread until this very moment...

I must say Rainer was right about this match. I didn't watch the first set until TB. What I saw in this match is that Patty was torturing Jelena with long rallies and that Jelena wasn't able to finish points earlier. This is partly because she's incompetent at the net and because she's an idiot. Or whatever... Anyway she got tired which would never happen to old JJ after 1 hour of play. Then she started to go for more on her shots which worked while she wasn't missing but, of course, later it produced 10 consecutive points for Patty due to JJ's errors.

The court looked very slow today and I bet she'll say the balls were heavy too.

Basically, she's unfit, she's an idiot, lacks confidence and lacks some skills to end the points sooner when unfit.

Am I right or am I right? Huh?

ms_nut
May 15th, 2009, 08:37 PM
Well in an attempt to sound serious after foaming over this loss in every possible thread until this very moment...

I must say Rainer was right about this match. I didn't watch the first set until TB. What I saw in this match is that Patty was torturing Jelena with long rallies and that Jelena wasn't able to finish points earlier. This is partly because she's incompetent at the net and because she's an idiot. Or whatever... Anyway she got tired which would never happen to old JJ after 1 hour of play. Then she started to go for more on her shots which worked while she wasn't missing but, of course, later it produced 10 consecutive points for Patty due to JJ's errors.

The court looked very slow today and I bet she'll say the balls were heavy too.

Basically, she's unfit, she's an idiot, lacks confidence and lacks some skills to end the points sooner when unfit.

Am I right or am I right? Huh?

I'm not sure, did you mention that JJ is an idiot:confused: ? No analysis would be complete without that..:drool:

Brena
May 15th, 2009, 08:44 PM
Well, my stance at the moment is: Jelena, decide what you want. Do you want to give your best to overcome all the drawbacks and fulfil your potential or not? If not, stop fooling us into believing that you do, because you make idiots of us that way. We might find another fav. Like Gise and such.

Snex
May 15th, 2009, 08:48 PM
I think that too much sex destroys her game. :o When she plays good, i know that there was not a tough night. But when she plays like vs Pennetta, Schnyder, etc, i know that she's having opposite to what the Beatles sang "A Hard Night's Day". :rolls: This is my own experience. No tough nights if you play tomorrow! http://smileyshut.com/smileys/new/3D Smiles (81).jpg

~Kiera~
May 15th, 2009, 08:48 PM
I'm becoming a Dinara fan. It's easier that way.

Well, my stance at the moment is: Jelena, decide what you want. Do you want to give your best to overcome all the drawbacks and fulfil your potential or not? If not, stop fooling us into believing that you do, because you make idiots of us that way. We might find another fav. Like Gise and such.

Or even Gisela. She's winning RG this year :hearts:

-Valérie-
May 15th, 2009, 08:51 PM
I'm becoming a Dinara fan. It's easier that way.


You think so? Not that Dinara is a bad choice, i like her a lot, but, JJ will come back i am sure!

Princeza
May 15th, 2009, 08:52 PM
Or even Gisela. She's winning RG this year :hearts:

Glad to read someone's taking me seriously at last.

MaBaker
May 15th, 2009, 08:57 PM
I think that too much sex destroys her game.
:haha:

I'm becoming a Dinara fan. It's easier that way.

:speakles: again

You people are so negative. I still like you JJ, no matter what. You are the best tennis player in the world and don't let anybody tell you different :) If Aleks stops stalking you, I will :) It's all good :)

дalex
May 15th, 2009, 09:02 PM
If Aleks stops stalking you, I will :) It's all good :)

http://img300.imageshack.us/img300/25/thelook.gif

JadeFox
May 15th, 2009, 09:07 PM
I'm becoming a Dinara fan. It's easier that way.



Really? You wanna go there? Because even though Dinara is the obvious best player out there right now, she's even more psycho than JJ! Imagine what would happen if she were to fall into a slump in the future...

You sure you can handle that? ;) :lol:

~Kiera~
May 15th, 2009, 09:08 PM
You think so? Not that Dinara is a bad choice, i like her a lot, but, JJ will come back i am sure!

:speakles: again

You people are so negative. I still like you JJ, no matter what. You are the best tennis player in the world and don't let anybody tell you different :) If Aleks stops stalking you, I will :) It's all good :)

I'm just joking. I've stuck with JJ through all her :weirdo: episodes. What's another year of this nonsense going to do? (aside from gnawing away what little sense I have remaining ;))

Glad to read someone's taking me seriously at last.

People will be in awe of your prediction skills when she lifts the RG trophy.

-Valérie-
May 15th, 2009, 09:09 PM
So, it is where I do one page comment? :lol: i’ll spare you have that.

In short, everything has to do with her state of mind, which is BTW, totally f**k up! She says things that she doesn’t believe!

I have great confidence that she will find a way to put herself together, and, come back stronger but I am afraid, we will have to wait some more. Rome wasn’t built in a day.

I am a true believer in “I never surrender in my life” and she will bounce back. Just wait and see!

~Kiera~
May 15th, 2009, 09:09 PM
Really? You wanna go there? Because even though Dinara is the obvious best player out there right now, she's even more psycho than JJ! Imagine what would happen if she were to fall into a slump in the future...

But at least she's a scary, fighting, psycho. JJ can't even muster that :sad:

You sure you can handle that? ;) :lol:

After several years of JJ, I can handle anything ;)

RFS
May 15th, 2009, 09:13 PM
mentally - she's a total nutcase,
Better than she was - but a total nutcase nonetheless.

We know she doesn't have a power game and Etch fucked that training up totally.

Rome may not have built in a day - but... she ain't getting any younger and the other up-and-coming players seem to have a better range of skills at their disposal.

Add to that - she's a totally nutcase.. oh I said that bit already...

RG would have been her best surface I think for a run at a singles slam title. I am still undecided on grass... and on HC... she's ok - even good sometimes... but lacks the all round game on that surface I think.

I dunno... i might just have another beer, to go with my goat!

~Kiera~
May 15th, 2009, 09:17 PM
I dunno... i might just have another beer, to go with my goat!

http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/2618/goatp.jpg

Goats all around! :drink:

JadeFox
May 15th, 2009, 09:19 PM
But at least she's a scary, fighting, psycho. JJ can't even muster that :sad:


True. :sad:

After several years of JJ, I can handle anything ;)

I don't know. Dinara's slump would be EPIC I think. I can only imagine how many poor racquets will die if and when the day comes. :lol:

-NAJ-
May 15th, 2009, 09:22 PM
We all need to change our old avatars before RG maybe that will bring luck JJ
:angel:

Brena
May 15th, 2009, 09:22 PM
I wish there was a way of conveying her our joint message:
''Dear Jelena,
Take your time and think very hard if you want to play tennis. If you come up with the conclusion that you do, than f*cking play it and we'll support you, but if you realise that you do not really want to play tennis anymore, please let us know and f*ck off and watch your glittery self in the jumboscreens till the end of your days, because no one else will''

That last part should scare her, no? :devil:

~Kiera~
May 15th, 2009, 09:31 PM
I don't know. Dinara's slump would be EPIC I think. I can only imagine how many poor racquets will die if and when the day comes. :lol:

Just think how heartbroken she's going to be when her big brother finally quits :awww:

I wish there was a way of conveying her our joint message:
''Dear Jelena,
Take your time and think very hard if you want to play tennis. If you come up with the conclusion that you do, than f*cking play it and we'll support you, but if you realise that you do not really want to play tennis anymore, please let us know and f*ck off and watch your glittery self in the jumboscreens till the end of your days, because no one else will''

That last part should scare her, no? :devil:

Especially if you tell her she'll have the Madrid non-crowd for the rest of her playing days. She'd die of sadness.

Snex
May 15th, 2009, 09:57 PM
We all need to change our old avatars before RG maybe that will bring luck JJ
:angel:

I put the one that i had when she won Marbella. :shrug: Maybe it works only for international tournaments. I don't know what to put there any more. :(

Wrekin
May 15th, 2009, 11:09 PM
Basically, she's unfit, she's an idiot, lacks confidence and lacks some skills to end the points sooner when unfit.



I wasn't able to watch the match, but from your comments that seemed to play a big part.

But why is she unfit? What's the excuse for that? Just 'cos she bulked up it doesn't follow that you become unfit as well :confused:

дalex
May 15th, 2009, 11:13 PM
^ Apparently she couldn't breathe properly because of her runny nose. That's what she said...

Wrekin
May 15th, 2009, 11:23 PM
^ Apparently she couldn't breathe properly because of her runny nose. That's what she said...

I've never really bought into this runny nose thing. You breathe through your mouth when you're working hard.

If you're actually ill it can make you weak and lethargic. Do we think she's ill again? She seemd OK yesterday. She needs a btter immune system :tape:

-Valérie-
May 15th, 2009, 11:26 PM
I've never really bought into this runny nose thing. You breathe through your mouth when you're working hard.

If you're actually ill it can make you weak and lethargic. Do we think she's ill again? She seemd OK yesterday. She needs a btter immune system :tape:


She didn't explain her defeat by that, she just mention that it was sickening and the journalists keep insisting about the nose surgery she had 2 years ago. SHe kept saying that it doesn'T have anything to do with it but her nose hasn't stop running since the fed cup and she'll see to that so that thing won't bother her in RG.

redsonja
May 16th, 2009, 05:16 AM
But at least she's a scary, fighting, psycho. JJ can't even muster that :sad:
True! And you can have hours of fun speculating about her and that coach. :help:

She didn't explain her defeat by that, she just mention that it was sickening and the journalists keep insisting about the nose surgery she had 2 years ago. SHe kept saying that it doesn'T have anything to do with it but her nose hasn't stop running since the fed cup and she'll see to that so that thing won't bother her in RG.
Maybe she should just wear a nose clip so she can't breathe through her nose no matter what. :p Or Janko could lend her a Breathe Rite strip.

I'm honestly not that worried about JJ. She's on the upswing, peeps! She's sooooooo much better now than she was in January, it's just going to take time. It's true that she's not getting any younger, but there also aren't really any stellar up-and-comers behind her to knock her out of place-- maybe if Azarenka and Wozniacki can get some consistency together, they'll be a little dangerous, but so far they're patchy. And the two people who've most recently passed JJ in the rankings (Dementieva and Venus) are 3-4 years older than she is. :lol: Not to be all Pollyanna-ish, but I really, truly think that by the USO and fall hard court season, JJ will be back, or close to back to where she was at the end of last season, and that's about what I'd expect. She learned a very hard lesson the very hard way, and it sucks, but shit happens. I still think she's got a Slam run in her. :yeah: Just maybe not this year, and that's no tragedy.

Happy happy yay!

(Hmmm... where's that Xanax?)

RFS
May 16th, 2009, 06:55 AM
Umm - I took your Xanax to the Clininc - figured it'd go down gooooood with the alky-hicky-hol!

redsonja
May 16th, 2009, 06:59 AM
Umm - I took your Xanax to the Clininc - figured it'd go down gooooood with the alky-hicky-hol!
I find it mixes quite well with NyQuil. Which is sort of the same thing. :lol:

RFS
May 16th, 2009, 07:39 AM
I find it mixes quite well with NyQuil. Which is sort of the same thing. :lol:

Good tip... think i'll use that for the next JJ QF... might make it go a lot better!

Wrekin
May 16th, 2009, 08:16 AM
I'm honestly not that worried about JJ. She's on the upswing, peeps! She's sooooooo much better now than she was in January, it's just going to take time. It's true that she's not getting any younger, but there also aren't really any stellar up-and-comers behind her to knock her out of place-- maybe if Azarenka and Wozniacki can get some consistency together, they'll be a little dangerous, but so far they're patchy. And the two people who've most recently passed JJ in the rankings (Dementieva and Venus) are 3-4 years older than she is. :lol: Not to be all Pollyanna-ish, but I really, truly think that by the USO and fall hard court season, JJ will be back, or close to back to where she was at the end of last season, and that's about what I'd expect. She learned a very hard lesson the very hard way, and it sucks, but shit happens. I still think she's got a Slam run in her. :yeah: Just maybe not this year, and that's no tragedy.



Do you give motivational courses? :D

RFS
May 16th, 2009, 08:19 AM
^ And can you deliver that to JJ (with or without the option of slapping the child upside the head to knock "snoutbreak" out of her.

Mind you - did anyone see her coughing and hacking after one long point?

Wrekin
May 16th, 2009, 08:26 AM
^
Mind you - did anyone see her coughing and hacking after one long point?

Was she? That's not 'runny nose'. That's ill. So we have a reason really.

What did Patty's coach allegedly say? "She's finished". Perhaps JJ was.

In that case I'll fall in behind Sonja for a bit longer :lol:

Ian Aberdon
May 16th, 2009, 08:39 AM
This noggin of hers seems to be proving an issue? If it's not blocked then it's constantly running. I'd cut it off but I don't want to spite her face! :lol:

pj5
May 16th, 2009, 10:20 AM
Chin up Guys and Gals.

....

Had ES Player switched on, got dragged into a 2 hour meeting with the directors and given redundancy papers.
On the plus side, my Roland Garros viewing will be uninterrupted ... won't miss a ball. :drool:

....

good sport Wayne :) !!!
"chin up" as they say ;)

Ian Aberdon
May 16th, 2009, 10:24 AM
Jeez Wayn sorry to hear that - it's tough out there for sure.

Kinda puts Jelena's travails into perspective.

Wayn77
May 16th, 2009, 10:29 AM
Thanks ... it's not a big deal. I will live.

Pretty much happening to hordes of us at the moment.

I happen to be in an industry that is particularly sensitive to the current economic meltdown.
Things will turn around, eventually.

дalex
May 16th, 2009, 10:34 AM
Wayn :hug:

And you're right about the dress. I always felt JJ plays better when she feels hot. USO last year is a good example - yellow dress with silver details and tons of mascara & glitter. Similar with the Fall season and that hot tight red dress and tons of mascara. :lol:

pj5
May 16th, 2009, 10:42 AM
IMO Jelena thinks too much on the court.
Right now she's thinking how to get back to #1, and how to win a GS. She's obsessed, and no more smiles on the court anymore. The only smiles are after a won watch when she waves. So she's putting too much pressure on herself.

Her interaction with her coach is more destructive then constructive now. She's asking basically for a soluton from him NOW, and we've seen it many times is dismissive and angry when after a short while these "solutions" don't work. Thus she is actually putting pressure and blame on the coach during the actual play. It's a flawed conclusion, that basically allows her to loose matches as she did yesterday. Because she IS NOT responsible for the loss, and thus does not take ownership of the situation. It's nice of her after the match to say "I didn't do this right" & "I didn't do that right", BUT when the match is actually played she is not at that instant taking ownership of the situation then and there.

The interaction with her coach when she's loosing is actually "destructive". She completely looses focus.
She basically needs to fall to a point where there's only herself that she can rely on to dig herself out.
I think that she's basically in that phase now.

But I think that she'll get out of this mental hole. I think that she probably had to fall into it, which will make her stronger.
I think she'll get back on top again.

I predict that we are witnessing a change in generations right now. I think that dominance of Safina & Jelena is about to commence, and I predict that these two will be the dominant two players over the next 2-3 years. I think that Williamson era is over, and I don't actually see them winning any more slams. I know it sounds ludicrous, but I sense a sort of anger building up in both Safina & Jelena. I think that each in her own way wants to take over the baton from the sisters.

So I predict a better tougher Jelena.

ms_nut
May 16th, 2009, 12:18 PM
Jeez Wayn sorry to hear that - it's tough out there for sure.

Kinda puts Jelena's travails into perspective.

Agreed.

:hug: I hope everything works out for you Wayne...Are you an IT professional? :sad: I know times are tough over here for some people in that industry..Good luck.

:shrug: Speaking of JJ, what doesn't kill you will only make you stronger... Hopefully, this just increases her desire to work harder.

redsonja
May 16th, 2009, 12:22 PM
Do you give motivational courses? :D
Sure. :D

^ And can you deliver that to JJ (with or without the option of slapping the child upside the head to knock "snoutbreak" out of her.
Honestly, I don't think JJ needs one. I think you guys need one. :lol: Although, if she wants one, I've already had the snoutbreak, so I can be around her without worrying about it too much. :p

дalex
May 16th, 2009, 12:32 PM
I think you guys need one. :lol:

I definitely needed one yesterday. And I'll probably need one after RG, too. :lol:

Anyway, it's easy for you Sonj, you have Dinara who's winning RG this year, IMO. Jelena, OTOH, probably won't make it to the second week even.

RFS
May 16th, 2009, 12:38 PM
Wayn - mate :hug:

~Kiera~
May 16th, 2009, 12:38 PM
Wayn :hug:

What's wrong with Jelena? Who knows. Dinara better watch out though. She seems to have adopted "Jelena speak".

Jelena...

"Nothing comes easy, so you have to really work hard for it. Nothing falls from the sky. Whoever works the hardest and whoever wants it more will win."

"I finished last year No.1 and I didn't steal that, it didn't fall from the sky - I earned it."

You know, the ranking didn’t fall from the sky. She earned that ranking. She really deserves to be there, because she was playing well and had great results. The rankings don’t lie.

Dinara...

"It's not luck. Nobody gave it to me — I proved it. I played two Grand Slam finals, and last year I won four titles ... so I think I belong to this, because this doesn't come out of sky."

They've both started sticking up for each other. They both tell us they're still young. Are they secret BFF? http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/307/suspect.gif

terjw
May 16th, 2009, 12:41 PM
Had ES Player switched on, got dragged into a 2 hour meeting with the directors and given redundancy papers.


Sorry to hear that. I've been through redundancy - and no doubt it will happen again or more likely not just me but the company might not get enough work and survive in these times. Hope it works out OK for you whatever you do next.

As for Jelena - really it's just working on those areas like the net that she's messing up and was good at last year. She won't come into the net partially because she isn't as reliable there like last year. So when she's in control with her opponent in trouble she often surrenders the initiaitve.

If she gets all those things like that working more consistently - she will get more confidence. At the moment - she's messing up the really key and important points almost certainly because of lack of confidence. It will take time and resusults to get that back.

The other thing - it seems to me as if she's had a lighter schedule this year than when she was injured last year :rolleyes:. Up to a point - except when she was exhausted at the end of 2007 - she needs to keep playing. Don't rest up and recover. She does a lot better when she keeps on playing.

And finally - if she can only find a good doctor who can cure her runny nose problem. Surely there must be a good specialist somewhere in the world who can cure this.

louisa.
May 16th, 2009, 12:41 PM
Wayn :hug: :hug:

дalex
May 16th, 2009, 12:41 PM
They've both started sticking up for each other. They both tell us they're still young. Are they secret BFF? http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/307/suspect.gif

It really looks like they talked about this #1 issue.

Dinara is killing Patty atm. :unsure:

redsonja
May 16th, 2009, 12:43 PM
Anyway, it's easy for you Sonj, you have Dinara who's winning RG this year, IMO. Jelena, OTOH, probably won't make it to the second week even.
Please, Dinara's gonna flame out in the fourth round, because that's just the kind of luck I have. Jelena will too, though, so maybe they can go shopping together! (Uh... okay, funniest mental image ever.)

They've both started sticking up for each other. They both tell us they're still young. Are they secret BFF?
Hey, Slamless #1s only have each other.

дalex
May 16th, 2009, 12:58 PM
Please, Dinara's gonna flame out in the fourth round, because that's just the kind of luck I have. Jelena will too, though, so maybe they can go shopping together! (Uh... okay, funniest mental image ever.)

:lol: @ Shopping image...

You'll see... Everything is saying Dinara will win it this year. She's playing good, she's as fit as she's ever been, she's motivated with this #1 crap and she was the finalist last year! (Ana was finalist in 2007 and won it next year)

And other top players aren't in good form except Kuzy, but Kuzy is Kuzy so...:lol:

-Valérie-
May 16th, 2009, 03:03 PM
True! And you can have hours of fun speculating about her and that coach. :help:


Maybe she should just wear a nose clip so she can't breathe through her nose no matter what. :p Or Janko could lend her a Breathe Rite strip.

I'm honestly not that worried about JJ. She's on the upswing, peeps! She's sooooooo much better now than she was in January, it's just going to take time. It's true that she's not getting any younger, but there also aren't really any stellar up-and-comers behind her to knock her out of place-- maybe if Azarenka and Wozniacki can get some consistency together, they'll be a little dangerous, but so far they're patchy. And the two people who've most recently passed JJ in the rankings (Dementieva and Venus) are 3-4 years older than she is. :lol: Not to be all Pollyanna-ish, but I really, truly think that by the USO and fall hard court season, JJ will be back, or close to back to where she was at the end of last season, and that's about what I'd expect. She learned a very hard lesson the very hard way, and it sucks, but shit happens. I still think she's got a Slam run in her. :yeah: Just maybe not this year, and that's no tragedy.

Happy happy yay!

(Hmmm... where's that Xanax?)

Wow, i glad someone was able to say in only one paragraph which took me many to say in another topic. I support you on that. :hug:

She'll find that confidence again and the consistency that comes with it!

Snex
May 16th, 2009, 03:22 PM
We can notice that she's progressing. However, there will be more such downs throughout the year, but she'll play better after the USO (i hope). She is a top player, one of the best in the world, and i'm sure that she'll find a way to stay there.

redsonja
May 16th, 2009, 03:43 PM
Wow, i glad someone was able to say in only one paragraph which took me many to say in another topic. I support you on that. :hug:

She'll find that confidence again and the consistency that comes with it!
:lol: I can be very hard on Jelena, but honestly in this case I don't see the need. She's working her way back, and that's the only thing she can do. It's going to take the better part of this season. There's no way around that, and there's no sense looking for short cuts.

~Kiera~
May 18th, 2009, 10:12 AM
True! And you can have hours of fun speculating about her and that coach. :help:

http://img527.imageshack.us/img527/3447/73351919.jpg

http://img527.imageshack.us/img527/5894/76992547.jpg

:hehehe:

redsonja
May 18th, 2009, 02:56 PM
:help: :awww: :help: :awww: :help: :help: :help:

At least that's one thing I haven't had to worry about with JJ. :p

~Kiera~
May 18th, 2009, 03:18 PM
:help: :awww: :help: :awww: :help: :help: :help:

At least that's one thing I haven't had to worry about with JJ. :p

True, I don't think we have to worry about Jelena saying "I love you" to her coach and really meaning it like Dinara did ;)

redsonja
May 18th, 2009, 03:24 PM
True, I don't think we have to worry about Jelena saying "I love you" to her coach and really meaning it like Dinara did ;)

Yeah. I mean, she might sign Sanchez's birthday card "Love, Jeca" and everything, but that's not what she means. :p

~Kiera~
May 18th, 2009, 03:34 PM
And we'll have no inappropriately long hugs, shameless flirting during matches or blushing when the camera spots the pair of them in the stands.

Damn, can she get a cute new coach? Look at all the fun she's missing out on ;)

Yeah. I mean, she might sign Sanchez's birthday card "Love, Jeca" and everything, but that's not what she means. :p

I wonder what her next card will say?

To Ricardo,

Happy Birthday!

Love,
Jeca ♥ ♥ ♥

P.S Sorry for firing you :awww:

redsonja
May 18th, 2009, 03:41 PM
Damn, can she get a cute new coach? Look at all the fun she's missing out on ;)
Make sure he's married, JJ! That's the touch that takes it from "kind of cute" to "kind of disturbing". If he has a kid, too, you can get it to "really horrifying". :help:

To Ricardo,

Happy Birthday!

Love,
Jeca ♥ ♥ ♥

P.S Sorry for firing you :awww:

No, she's just going to fire him via this ecard:
http://d3gkbha1s7sr56.cloudfront.net/someecards/filestorage/wp_60.jpg

RFS
May 18th, 2009, 03:44 PM
Lol!

~Kiera~
May 18th, 2009, 03:50 PM
Make sure he's married, JJ! That's the touch that takes it from "kind of cute" to "kind of disturbing". If he has a kid, too, you can get it to "really horrifying". :help:

True, however :awww: they are together it does get a bit :o when you add in his wife and little girl.

I do wonder what his wife thinks about all of this. It may all be very innocent, but there are moments when you really do have to question what exactly is going on.

No, she's just going to fire him via this ecard:
http://d3gkbha1s7sr56.cloudfront.net/someecards/filestorage/wp_60.jpg

:lol:

JadeFox
May 18th, 2009, 06:41 PM
:help: :awww: :help: :awww: :help: :help: :help:

At least that's one thing I haven't had to worry about with JJ. :p

True, I don't think we have to worry about Jelena saying "I love you" to her coach and really meaning it like Dinara did ;)

Well, they did share that Zorro hat in the beginning of the year. :hehehe:

MaBaker
May 18th, 2009, 11:20 PM
To Ricardo,

Happy Birthday!

Love,
Jeca ♥ ♥ ♥

P.S Sorry for firing you :awww:
:spit:

oneandonly
May 19th, 2009, 05:38 PM
To Ricardo,

Happy Birthday!

Love,
Jeca ♥ ♥ ♥

P.S Sorry for firing you :awww:
:haha:

I have a question: how do you do these love hearts? :confused:

ms_nut
May 19th, 2009, 06:19 PM
:haha:

I have a question: how do you do these love hearts? :confused:

You mean the one like this ♥ ? Click on your Start button, go to Accessories, System Tools, to Character Map - Click there, you will find all sorts of Characters to use.You may copy and paste those characters.

On a different note, When Nadal complains about a surface, you know there's something wrong with it.. the Madrid surface is nothing like Paris with all it's weird bounces. A tall player like Safina would love the bounces on the surface.. (and surprise, she won) I'm not surprised JJ had trouble with Patty's weird bounces on the surface.

I think if we disregard her loss to Patty, she has been quite solid this year on clay.. I'm looking forward to her at least making the 2nd week in RG.. so in a nutshell, nothing's wrong with her...:angel:

oneandonly
May 19th, 2009, 06:22 PM
You mean the one like this ♥ ? Click on your Start button, go to Accessories, System Tools, to Character Map - Click there, you will find all sorts of Characters to use.You may copy and paste those characters.
Yes. That's what I meant. Thank you :D.

-Valérie-
May 19th, 2009, 07:02 PM
That's what I like to hear .... positive vibes. :yeah:

I am quietly confident about Jelena's chances at RG this year.

Make it to week 2, gain some momentum and solidity on serve, JJ can beat anyone on clay. :angel:

I like the sound of that.

oneandonly
May 19th, 2009, 08:49 PM
In my opinion she needs a big win (including a come-back from set and MP down if possible :angel:) in the 4th round against a high seed and if she reaches the quarters nobody will stop her. I hope that RG will bring the best out of her and we will see a lot of the Janka Terminatorka we love so much :).

Snex
May 19th, 2009, 09:50 PM
I don't expect more than quarterfinal. :shrug: I'll support her till the last point, but won't be disappointed if she loses in QF. Every further round will make me very happy. As soon as one girl from 11-20 get on her way she's :weirdo:. Unfortunately that's her current level. :sad: I wish she can prove me wrong and do a miracle so that we could all celebrate. :awww:

MaBaker
May 19th, 2009, 10:14 PM
^With her current form, QF sounds reasonable. She really needs a good draw this time.

In my opinion she needs a big win (including a come-back from set and MP down if possible :angel:)
You want to kill us all too ? :)

Snex
May 19th, 2009, 10:22 PM
^With her current form, QF sounds reasonable. She really needs a good draw this time.

And one of Bondarenko sisters in the final. :lol:

ms_nut
May 19th, 2009, 11:30 PM
^With her current form, QF sounds reasonable. She really needs a good draw this time.


You want to kill us all too ? :)

:lol: Exactly what i was thinking " We wouldn't be around to see her following matches"...

Saving MPs in the 4th Rd and going on to win RG..:eek: That would mean having to play Kuzzie in the 4th Rd..:tape::tape: ( And JJ is no Myskina or Justine right now)

Snex
Jul 1st, 2009, 11:48 PM
I analysed JJ's performance in 2008 and 2009, and came to some conclusions.

She was very consistent last year, and played well. She reached 2 GS semi-finals yet the only tournament she won was Rome. :shrug: She knew that she must get physically stronger, and that she can't get far only by running and retrieving. Therefore, she started working with Etcheberry before the USO. That cooperation produced results, and it was obvious that she's getting stronger during that tournament. Serena was extremely lucky to beat her in the final. :awww:

Her improved physical state gave results as she managed to win 3 tournaments in as many weeks. She had some problems (or not) with her health, but she managed. Her, I can say, success, encouraged her, and she entered a fitness adventure in December last year aimed at becoming even more stronger, which was IMO totally unnecessary. She should have worked on her serve improvement and keep on practicing with tennis, and not body building tools. That was the huge mistake.

Her first single match in Hong Kong against Venus showed that something went wrong. Totally confused JJ (with flu) went to Australia to defend her semi-final, and lost in the 4th round to Bartoli, the first serious opponent. It was obvious that JJ from the end of the 2008 season has gone. Even more discouraged JJ continued her "free fall" during the next few tournaments and additionally had problems with her mother's health (or not - I don't believe her too much - I know that Sneki would do anything for her, even saying that she was :weirdo: if necessary :shrug:).

She won her next tournament in Marbella, with average players in the draw, given that Serena lost intentionally in the first round. :shrug: That gave her some motivation to do well in Stuttgart where she lost to Pennetta, and showed that she still can't cope with opponents ranked higher than 20.

What is the main problem? The main problem is that she shouldn't have broken her cooperation with Etcheberry. They should have tried to find the way out from that maze that they fell in. She should have worked on losing some of the weight and muscles that she's got, but without the consequences, and not so quickly. Considering that Etcheberry is a fitness expert, I think that they could manage. And what has she done instead? She left him and engaged a new fitness coach, and I am wondering what is he doing with her?! She suddenly lost her strength, her fitness, she can't play 3 sets anymore, she's getting tired quickly, she's not able to run although she got back her standard weight, her shots are even weaker than in 2006... I'm afraid that her new fitness coach is just one more useless person on her payroll. :shrug: She does not work on her fitness at all ffs!!! I'm sure that she could have found the way with Pat to lose some of that additional weight that was troubling her.

There is also one more thing that I noticed: she always talked about her problems with injuries that she had last year. I remember all of them (Hopman Cup, Indian Wells, Rolland Garros, Wimbledon, Olympic Games, broke her toe nail in Stuttgart..). Dammit! I never heard any other player talking that much about injuries. It seems that she enjoys remembering all painful parts of her career. Every normal person is trying to forget such things, but she holds them, and doesn’t want to let those memories go. What a masochist! I’m sure that if she gets out of this mess, she’ll talk throughout 2010 about all these problems in 2009. I can even imagine her interviews.

Provoking question #1: You had many problems in 2009 with your game. Can you tell us what was wrong last year?

Jelena Jankovic: Oh, yes. I had, you know, very strict fitness preparations in the off-season in order to get stronger and fitter, you know. Unfortunately, you know, I added 7 kilos of muscle mass to my body, you know, and I could not move on the court, you know. I lost my confidence, you know, and did not believe in myself and in my shots. I felt stronger and fitter, you know, but I lost my main weapon, my speed, you know. My speed was my plan B.

Provoking question #2: After that bad experience in the beginning of the season you lost that additional weight but your results were still under the capacities of the player of your calibre? :lol:

Jelena Jankovic: Well, I got back my original weight, you know, but I lost my strength and, worst of all, I lost the motivation, you know.

Provoking question #3: Your mother also had some health problems last year?

Jelena Jankovic: Yes, my mom had high blood pressure, you know, and felt very bad in Indian Wells, so I couldn’t concentrate on my game, you know, because I didn’t sleep all night long, you know, in case that she needs my help...

:banghead: I won’t even read her interviews next year. I already know in advance all the questions and all her answers. :mad:

I had to write this, and thanks in advance to everybody who has time for wasting to read this. :lol:

-Valérie-
Jul 2nd, 2009, 02:40 AM
Snezana, i couldn’t have said it better. I agree with you. :worship:

She got people around her that love her and want what is best for her, so, i guess all together, they will find ways to get her back on the right trail, and yes, i am confident that she will find her way to the top again. :)

But not before some more struggles i am afraid : :sad: i am not very hopeful for the US open this year. There is only 2 months before that and unless she really find a good physical trainer, work really hard and built a great team around her, getting to the final again would be a miracle… Let’s hope she will minimize the damages and prepare a hopeful 2010.

And i like to think that this year will bright her even more maturity, and that she might even surprise us on those after match interviews by saying different things that we expect. But well, JJ will always be JJ and let’s say some of those interviews, became legendary! :lol:

RFS
Jul 2nd, 2009, 06:59 AM
Because of the deviated septum operation at the end of 2007, she missed the off-season, which is why she had Etcheberry during the 2008 season, and i think the reason he was a success to the end of her 2008 campaign was that his training was probably a lot sharper during a season.

Didn't Etch have a detrimental effect on Justine as well one off-season? Almost the same thing... lumbersome movement etc?

In 2006 (I think) she trained at altitude with the Columbians... and had a pretty good 2007.

I think she needs a bit of a combination of both - a concentrated off-season ... and here's the tricky thing - she may well end up muscling up again to be honest...
And Senzana has a good point... she STILL needs a fitness trainer IN season to keep that sharpness...

She has a good clean month and the only positive I've seen since her piss-poor 3rd round is that she's got her plans in place to be training in the US after a quick break...

Serving coach, fitness coach, sprots psychologist maybe... everyone else has these kind of professional around them (look at Serena's whining about not having all her entourage with her at Wimbledon)... THAT'S what JJ needs to start considering...

RFS
Jul 2nd, 2009, 09:36 AM
Time will tell...

Let's see how Stanford goes.

-NAJ-
Jul 2nd, 2009, 11:42 AM
Serving coach, fitness coach, sprots psychologist maybe... everyone else has these kind of professional around them (look at Serena's whining about not having all her entourage with her at Wimbledon)... THAT'S what JJ needs to start considering...
:worship:

fitness coach
it's very important for her. In Miami during that tournament and after early exit she worked with Marat Safin fitness coach and little results we saw in Marbella. She had energy for long matches day after day

but she need some guy with her on all tournaments;)