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Serenus
Sep 5th, 2002, 03:09 AM
That is such a lame excuse. So are you telling me that the wind actually picked on Seles the whole time and never actually touches Venus, puhlease, wind is wind, it effects both player out there.

Kiki
Sep 5th, 2002, 03:12 AM
ROFLMAO! I didn't even realise ppl were saying that.

evadafan
Sep 5th, 2002, 03:19 AM
I didn't see that anyone said that. I've said the wind caused it to be a lower quality match. Monica played like shite wind or no wind and deserved to lose.

CoryAnnAvants#1
Sep 5th, 2002, 03:21 AM
Well Monica is at her worst in the wind but thats beside the point. She didn't bring her "A" game out there. Not even close to it. In order for Monica to beat Venus, she's got to be way above her usual standards and Venus slightly below them. Even then, it's a coin toss. When Monica plays below her normal standard of tennis against Venus, expect a 6-2 6-3 score in wind, heat, sand, fire, whatever.

treufreund
Sep 5th, 2002, 03:22 AM
:rolleyes:

Larrybid
Sep 5th, 2002, 03:31 AM
When Venus serves like that, everybody is going to look bad. What Vee did to one of the greatest servive returner of all time was heartless. Seles had one shot at a break, and what does Vee do? She pulls out the Howitzer...bang. match effectively over. I don't know what Vee did between yestruday to today...but if she can serve like that Saturday, she may keep her title from little sis. Keep it up Vee....

evadafan
Sep 5th, 2002, 03:34 AM
Yes with a big serve and your opponent hitting three times as many errors as winners will definitely win a few matches.

Rocketta
Sep 5th, 2002, 03:36 AM
Originally posted by evadafan
Yes with a big serve and your opponent hitting three times as many errors as winners will definitely win a few matches.

who hits more winners than errors against Serena or Venus?

Bright Red
Sep 5th, 2002, 03:52 AM
All that matters is that Monica didn't blam the wind ;)

evadafan
Sep 5th, 2002, 03:57 AM
Not just more errors than winners, THREE times as many!!!

Chanda Rubin did not even make twice as many errors as winners, Monica had THREE times as many errors than winners. THREE times.

Rocketta
Sep 5th, 2002, 03:59 AM
Chanda had 15 winners and 25 ue's. That is almost twice as many and many people feel chanda played one of her best matches. Nobody thinks that was the best that Seles has ever played but it certainly was not a bad performance and against many other players would've seem like a great performance.

Rocketta
Sep 5th, 2002, 04:02 AM
Seles had 18 ue's which would've put her on a pace of about 27 for a 3 set match which is not much different than Chanda. Chanda had more winners but that is because Chanda will work her way to the net. Nobody is going to get many winners on the Williams girls trying to beat them from the baseline.

TheBoiledEgg
Sep 5th, 2002, 04:03 AM
the wind is more likely to affect Venus than Monica
Monica has compact swings

Volcana
Sep 5th, 2002, 04:18 AM
Monica didn't get the match play she wanted this summer. She was injured late in the season and missed her tuneups for the Open. Worse, foot injuries mean no running. What ever Monica's weight, her cardio couldn't have been ready for this.

Venus has made the finals of the last seven tournaments she played, and won the last three.

To me, this match proves, once and for all, that Venus Williams, playing well, with her serve working, is better than Monica Seles coming back from an injury with substandard conditioning.

Thank God that's one arguement we can finally put to rest.

Cybelle Darkholme
Sep 5th, 2002, 04:22 AM
I Just hope Venus gets past Momo and Thinks of something to do against the S-Train, cause the way its not looking good for Vee if it comes to an all williams finalhttp://www.venusserenafans.com/Forums/images/smiles/New/MoreNew/no.gif

Amanda
Sep 5th, 2002, 08:44 AM
LOl! Monica stated in her interview that Venus did everything better than she did. She gave Venus full credit for her win!

TeeRexx
Sep 5th, 2002, 11:01 AM
I wish Monica would retire just to stop some of the pointless whinning that goes on whenever she loses.

irma
Sep 5th, 2002, 11:11 AM
V. WILLIAMS/M. Seles

THE MODERATOR: Questions for Monica, please.

Q. Is Venus beatable by you or by anyone when she's serving that well?
MONICA SELES: I don't know. I mean, she was just really better than I was in every department tonight.

Q. Specifically talking about her serve. How tough was it?
MONICA SELES: Well, I just -- I think the match tells it all. I think I had one breakpoint. She just served too well. I really couldn't read it at all. Was too strong.

Q. You have won a lot of time 2 and 3. How does it feel to be on the other side of a big match?
MONICA SELES: I've lost to her many times 2 and 3. This is not the first time. She's one of the toughest players for me to play. Each time I go into a match I know it's tough because she has her weapons that make it difficult for me to play her.

Q. In a quarterfinal appearance, can you take a positive from that at this point? Is that a good tournament?
MONICA SELES: I really don't look at it that way. You come into a tournament wanting to win it. Tonight I faced a player that was just better, you know. Really, whatever department, she just played better than I did tonight.

Q. When you saw Venus struggle against Rubin, did you think that might make her more dangerous tonight?
MONICA SELES: I really didn't see the match. But, gosh, you can't -- maybe Chanda played better than I did. I don't know. I can just speak about the match. She was just better than I was out there.

Q. How do you think you played tonight?
MONICA SELES: It's hard to say because a lot of times I had little bit of a window and I kind of made more unforced errors than I would have liked to. But then a lot of times she didn't give me any chances. The balls were coming back very fast.
When you lose, you definitely didn't -- you don't feel you played well. At the same time, I got to give credit for her. Her serves were just too strong for me to return and that put a lot of pressure on my own serve.

Q. You might not want to answer this, but who do you think is a better player between the two of them?
MONICA SELES: I haven't played Serena in more than a year's time. I think she's improved a lot since then. So, I mean, it's hard. I haven't seen the Wimbledon or the French Open finals, it's really hard for me to say.
It seems from the last two matches, Serena. But Venus has won this tournament twice in a row. So, you know, we'll see.

Q. A year ago at this time it was like -- the mix was six or seven players reasonably could go for it. Now they seem to have pulled away quite a bit, obviously.
MONICA SELES: Yeah, definitely.

Q. Was it fair to say the most improved players are the Williams sisters?
MONICA SELES: Well, I think Venus was playing very well last year to win the US Open. I think she won all the three tournaments coming in. So in my eyes last year Venus was the favorite, as I think this year Serena's won the most tournaments. I think the one that has improved a lot is Serena, very much so.

Q. With the September 11th anniversary a week away, the thing that happened with Serena last week, there's a lot of attention to security on the tour. What's your sense of the feeling of you and the other players about how things are handled nowadays?
MONICA SELES: I really don't know. I mean, hard for me to comment because I don't know the things that are going around. Just coming into the stadium you feel you have to go through security check points before you didn't have to go. But I really don't know the details, so what goes around behind the scenes...

Q. Do you feel secure?
MONICA SELES: I've always felt secure at the tennis court, all my career. So I would see no difference today or...

Q. What do you have to do against Venus when she's serving that well?
MONICA SELES: Well, you got to return better and you got to serve yourself better to put the pressure on her. But, you know, when someone is serving 115, it's tough to return no matter how well you're playing.

Q. When you did have that one breakpoint, she came back with about an 112 mile ace. Did that deflate you?
MONICA SELES: No, I mean, all night long I had a very tough time on her serve. Her serve tonight for me was just too good. I mean, that sums it up.

Q. Is it as painful to lose this deep into a Grand Slam tournament as it used to be?
MONICA SELES: Oh, each one is very painful, I mean, each loss. I think if it wouldn't, then you wouldn't be playing. That's for sure. I mean, each loss - last year I lost in the fourth round - was just as bad as losing in the quarters this year.

Q. Is there anything from this that you get a feeling like you can improve on? You know, how do you close that gap?
MONICA SELES: Well, I definitely have to work on my serve a little bit. Not just this match but this past tournament, it's been out there.
I'd have to sit down and, you know, not make a hasty decision here.

Q. You didn't want to go into the details of the difference between your play now and the clip that was on TV. If you played the Monica from that period, how do you think the match would turn out?
MONICA SELES: It's hard to say because obviously I didn't have to face a serve like Venus' going up in those 115s and stuff like that. That would be a big difference. You know, to compare to that...

Q. You've played a lot of great players in the years and stuff. Your game has gone up and down in shifts. It's hard to analyze this. Out of all the players you played, which player was capable of shutting you out of a match and intimidating you? Just playing so well?
MONICA SELES: Well, all the top players. For sure going back, Chris Evert, I had some tough losses, Navratilova, Steffi. Then Martina Hingis, Venus, Serena. I mean, I had some bad losses against each one. So...
I mean, any given day, any of those ten players out there.

I don't see monica complaining about anything here!
not about the wind either!

earthcrystal
Sep 5th, 2002, 05:45 PM
Did no one see Venus' on court interview following the match?

For the record, she is the one that said that the wind bothered Monica.

Off the top of my head, she said something to the effect of: "Monica didn't play her best tonight....she expected to play better.... The wind was bothering her."

Monica_Rules
Sep 5th, 2002, 05:52 PM
Who mentioned the wind?:confused:

earthcrystal
Sep 5th, 2002, 05:59 PM
Venus is the only one I know of, Monica_Rules. Perhaps one of Monica's lesser fans on the board offered it up as a reason somewhere...who knows.

....All I know is I'm sick to death of these threads. :rolleyes:

mishar
Sep 5th, 2002, 06:26 PM
Monica's so classy in her interview. She outplayed me. That's all. No excuses, nada.

Rocketta
Sep 5th, 2002, 07:24 PM
Venus mentionend the wind but I think it was in reference to it effecting both of them not just Monica.

Anyway, I think Monica played fine. Not her #1 performance but hardly her worst. It was very respectable. Actually, like she said it was hard to evaluate her play because Venus gave her little chance. Monica served very well last night. Venus hit some wonderful returns. Venus also made her hit that extra shot, which I think many of monica's ue's came from.