Chand's an inch shorter, she doesn't SEEM much faster, and her serves were so slow, Venus said she was having trouble timing them. THere's nothing Chanda is doing that Martina can't. Except come in to net in the face of the best crop of baseliners in history.
Sep 4th, 2002, 03:03 PM
Sep 4th, 2002, 03:08 PM
Tee pulls the forks out of Hingis and Kournikova, inspects them very carefully and then slowly turns his head towards the collective audience and somberly says, "They're done."
Sep 4th, 2002, 03:13 PM
oh come on: 40 titles, 5 grand slams, numourous doubles grandslams, I have serious nothing against Chanda Rubin but Martina sure was always better as her only not in the last weeks!
Martina is not on her usual level right now, don't forget that
and no I am not a new martina fan:p
Sep 4th, 2002, 03:14 PM
can we therefore despatch with to 'power player' excuse?
seeing as Justine and Chanda have been able to COMPETE with the so called 'power girls'.
i still feelthat so far Hingis has played from ' had no choice - started when young, showed immense talent, and developed game to beat (the best at the time) players'
she now needs to take time out and study the current style of play and decide if she wants to compete at that (or a higher) level or not.
if she decides she wants to compete - she is smart enough to know what to do otherwise, languishing at #4,5,6 with slight odds to win slams is still a respectable career.
Sep 4th, 2002, 03:18 PM
Chanda hits much harder and much flatter than Martina. Her serve is IMHO better because it is placed better, and her second has more spin.
Sep 4th, 2002, 03:28 PM
but isn't that the point mboyle?
these are all things she can work on instead she - or is it pro-Hingis /anti-other player stylers, try to escape scrutiny under the 'power player' excuse.
unfortunately, justine and to some extent chanda debunk that excuse.
one of the british commentators made the point that you can't change at 21- you can only work on your strengths but not change your weakness.
i don't know if that is true, considering that clarissa started proper training at 15, 21 should not mean you are fossilised into a particular style of playing without the ability to make one or two changes, or does it?
Sep 4th, 2002, 03:28 PM
LOL at Teerexx !
Sep 4th, 2002, 03:29 PM
they have completely different games. i think they would make terrific doubles partners bec of the contrast. i say let Hingis play her game. if she never wins a Slam again, that's fine with me. apart from improving her first serve, and leaning into the ball (instead of hitting off her back foot), there is absolutely nothing i'd like to see Hingis change in her game. i enjoy it just the way it is. and i enjoy Chanda just the way she plays -- she doesn't have to change a thing. if everyone had the same approach to playing, folks would complain about even more boredom!
Sep 4th, 2002, 03:42 PM
irma - Martina has had a better career. Chanda is doing better against the top players since Scottsdale or so. However, the big thing is, Martina CAN do everything Chanda can. She DOESN'T. BUt if Martina wants to rise to #1, or even into the top three, she has to make these sorts of changes to her game. She isn't going to grow.
Sep 4th, 2002, 04:00 PM
The point is not to change martina's playing style (as if we could) the point is the difference between " I play this way because thats my style and I don't want to change" and "I play this way because, at 5'7" 130lbs I am incapable of playing any other way, because to do so requires me to be bigger" .......the later being the partyline platform adopted by hingis fans. Irvin is 5'7 hits 112 mph serves belts the ball off the ground ...tulyaganova is 5'71/2 hit 119mph !!! serves ...shes like 5 lbs heavier than martina ,but comeon each od iroda's boobs weight at least 3 lbs more than martina's so that accounts for the difference in weight ........come to think of it Iroda , serena ..maybe there's a forward momentum thing factor we're missing here. Justine and chanda both belt the ball off the ground and she hingis is supposed to have way more talent and variety than any of these players ..is it too much to ask for the occassional forehand winner instead the loopy forehand up the center of the court which is passed off to us as "finesse" and any player who has the audacity to hit the silly shot for a winner is said to not understand "point construction"
Sep 4th, 2002, 04:13 PM
why should Hingis morph herself into a power player if she doesn't want to? it's her choice. and it's up to her to accept the consequences of that choice which is that the power players will almost always spank her off the court. but while she's on it, i for one will enjoy watching her play. i hate seeing the same kind of match-ups all the time and i thank Hingis for providing SOME contrast and variety.
Sep 4th, 2002, 04:26 PM
tennischick - She doesn't have to morph herself into anything, much less a 'power player'. Chanda's SMALLER than Martina. She doesn't have to change her shots, or go for more on her serve, or hit with more pace.
She does need to figure out how and when to hit an approach shot off a ball with a lot of pace. Or she condemned to running back and forth along the baseline like a duck in a shooting gallery. She's a good half-volleyer. She's a good volleyer. A good approach shot needs depth and placement more than pace. So Martina has all the tools she needs.
One other thing. Against players who DON'T hit with pace, Martina has no trouble going to net. If she stays on the baseline, power players may occassionally lose to Martina, but she won't ever BEATthem from there. If she wants to control her own fate, she needs to be an all-court player against the elite of the tour, not a baseliner.
She has the skills, so its a choice.
Remain the same and lose.
Make changes that are well with in her abilities and win.
Sep 4th, 2002, 04:40 PM
Chandra Levy hits harder and flatter groundstrokes. Also, Venus, from what I have read, was a mess yesterday all around. Chandra did well to take advantage, but she is still something like 1-8 against Venus and 1-1 with Serena. She has had good recent results and the comeback is amazing but I think it is a mistake to see her as a main challenger to the Williams sisters....yet.
Sep 4th, 2002, 04:40 PM
Volcana: i honestly think that no matter what Hingis does, she will keep losing to the bigger, more powerful players. sure these Amazons experience the occasional loss to a smaller fry. but for the most part, the powerful Amazons rule.
Chanda is not tall but she is a sturdier, more solidly compact and muscled woman than Hingis. she has more poower behind her shots than Hingis does. Hingis could spend the next three years bulking up in the gym, she will never be as powerful as these other women. it's just not her body-type IMO. sure on a good day she can challenge anyone, but her era of winning is over bec the game has changed. i have no problem with this. i enjoy watching her STYLE of tennis and enjoy the variety that she and the handful of players like her lend to the tour.
Chanda is one of my faves and i always root for her. but the day she starts actually winning CONSISTENTLY against the Sisters, i will agree with you.
Sep 4th, 2002, 05:14 PM
I do not want to see Martina with muscles! I want her to add a backhand slice, and to just be happy. Because a smiling Hingis warms her fans hearts! :D
Sep 4th, 2002, 08:33 PM
cat - Are you so afraid of strong women you'd rather see Martina lose than win?
Sep 4th, 2002, 08:40 PM
chanda is really classy player and that would be totally awesome to have chanda's power but martina got to #1 playing like the finesse player that she really is so she shouldn't change her unique style of game. i'm so glad that my favourite isn't like everybody else. yay marti! :D
Sep 4th, 2002, 08:52 PM
Hingis HAS to adapt her game style to compete with the Big Babes, no question. But when/if/can she/will she IS the question.