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the cat
Sep 4th, 2002, 03:45 AM
Serena Williams is the greatest women's tennis player I have ever seen! And she's the most devastating, too! I have been fortunate enough to see Martina Navratilova and Steffi Graf at their best. And they were truly great. But their best does not match Serena Williams best! :eek: Serena has no weaknesses. Navratilova's baseline game was her weakness. And Graf's backhand was her weakness. And neither Martina or Steffi could match Serena's great power from all corner's of the court. That's fact, not fiction!

Serena Williams is the greatest women's tennis player I have ever seen! :D Venus Williams, Martina Navratilova and Steffi Graf are next in line in my eyes. I put Venus at her best ahead of Martina and Steffi at their best, because of her all court devastation, superior first serve and incomparable court coverage!

I realize Serena Williams has to dominate for several years to be considered an all tome great. But the Serena Williams of 2002 is the greatest women's tennis player I have ever seen! :bounce: And I'm glad she is finally fulfilling her immense potential! And figuratively speaking, Serena Williams is by far the most intimidating women's tennis player of all time. I don't think anyone would dispute that! :eek: But the good news is Serena seems like a very nice person! :)

MinskLynx
Sep 4th, 2002, 03:46 AM
You haven't watched Tanner Cochran cat. Watch and be blown out of the water.

the cat
Sep 4th, 2002, 03:49 AM
Megan, you're really pulling my leg, aren't you? ;) I think you got into the catnip tonight! :eek:

I have never seen Tanner Cochran play. I hope she's half as good as you say she is! :D

Megan, you're closing in on 700 posts! :bounce:

CellJr300
Sep 4th, 2002, 03:50 AM
She is one of the greats, I wouldn't say she is the greatest though. Steffi was great in her time, so was Navratilova, so was Evert, and imo so was Hingis. When all is said and done I have no doubt that she will go down as one of the greatests, and I fear that the only thing that might hurt her compared to other players is that fact that to often people lump her and Venus together and forget that they are seperate players with seperate achievements.

MinskLynx
Sep 4th, 2002, 03:53 AM
Tanner is twice, no, thrice, as good as I say.

lukehingis
Sep 4th, 2002, 04:08 AM
who's tanner?

MinskLynx
Sep 4th, 2002, 04:13 AM
Tanner Cochran, the world's true greatest player.

the cat
Sep 4th, 2002, 04:13 AM
You speak impressive English, Megan! ;)

MinskLynx
Sep 4th, 2002, 04:14 AM
So does Tanner:bounce:

"Topaz"
Sep 4th, 2002, 04:14 AM
The-cat, time will tell. Rena is definitely awesome. Let's hope she stays healthy and doesn't get too much sidetracked by fashion design, movie acting and the being sexy mindset.

Volcana
Sep 4th, 2002, 04:18 AM
When she going good, its beautiful and its scary.

the cat
Sep 4th, 2002, 04:50 AM
TennisPower, I agree with you. I hope Serena doesn't get sidetracked either! :eek:

Williams Rulez
Sep 4th, 2002, 07:29 AM
Yup... she is definitely one of the best to ever play the game... she doesn't have the resume of Steffi or Navratilova, but her game is definitely up there with them.

the cat
Sep 4th, 2002, 01:48 PM
I agree Williams Rulez. Serena doesn't have the resume of Navratilova or Graf. And she'll never win the amount of grand slams they did. The depth in women's tennis is much better today than it was 10 or 20 years ago. And that's why Serena won't win 22 grand slam titles like Graf. But Serena is a more intimidating and devastating player than Steffi or Martina ever were! :eek:

irma
Sep 4th, 2002, 01:57 PM
serena is amazing!:D

SM
Sep 4th, 2002, 02:18 PM
think of it from this perspective...put Steffi and Martina in this years season at their best! would they achieve what serena has thus far?

CellJr300
Sep 4th, 2002, 02:28 PM
The argument about putting them in Serena's time is an unfair argument, because it goes both ways. If you gave Serena a wood rquet and put her in Martina's time how would she do? The argument is unfair, and really shouldn't be used.

TeeRexx
Sep 4th, 2002, 02:39 PM
At first I thought that this thread was far fetched, but upon review, I believe SERENA would whip Steffi and the real Martina.

the cat
Sep 4th, 2002, 06:08 PM
SM, I don;t think Martina and Steffi would've been able to achieve what Serena has this year, because they had weaknesses. Serena doesn't. And that's one of my main points.

Tee, you thought I post a "far fetched" thread? :(

irma
Sep 4th, 2002, 06:10 PM
I disagree serena has no weaknesses, she can totally losing her way in a match sometimes, what makes her so great though is the fact that mostly she wins anyway!
Only the greats do that:)

Barrie_Dude
Sep 4th, 2002, 06:17 PM
Gosh Cat! You've not been around long have you? I've seen Billie Jean King, Christine Marie Evert, Martina Navrotolova, et all play! And Serena has a way to go before she matches them! It's possible she can,. but will she be around long enough to do it? My greatest all time, on and off the court is Billie Jean King!

Barrie_Dude
Sep 4th, 2002, 06:17 PM
Gosh Cat! You've not been around long have you? I've seen Billie Jean King, Christine Marie Evert, Martina Navrotolova, et all play! And Serena has a way to go before she matches them! It's possible she can,. but will she be around long enough to do it? My greatest all time, on and off the court is Billie Jean King!

tenn_ace
Sep 4th, 2002, 07:34 PM
gosh, cat, be careful, fon't fall off that bandwagon you have just jumped on...:rolleyes:

the cat
Sep 4th, 2002, 08:28 PM
That's not funny, tenn_ace! :mad:

And Barrie, I've been a tennis fan for a long time. And I remember Billie Jean King. She's the most important player in the history of women's tennis and women's sports! And I saw Navratilova and Evert play in their primes. They were great. But they had weakneses. Serena doesn't. Unless you really stretch it and come up with Serena losing focus sometimes.

And Barrie, I realize Serena has a ways to go to be an all time great. But I'll stand by my statement that when she is playing her best tennis, Serena Williams is the greatest and most devasting women's tennis player I've ever seen! :D

eshell
Sep 4th, 2002, 09:17 PM
Gee, Cat, you're not one for hyperbole. LOL!

Time will tell about Serena's place in history. BUT she is a brick house!

:)

the cat
Sep 5th, 2002, 12:47 AM
Time will tell, eshell. Time will tell. And Serena has time on her side!

tenn_ace
Sep 5th, 2002, 02:08 AM
Originally posted by the cat
That's not funny, tenn_ace! :mad:



...and that wasn't intended to be...:eek:

Tennis Fool
Sep 5th, 2002, 02:12 AM
I wanted to see Serena live at the US Open on Saturday night.

Why did I get Hingis/Coetzer the antithesis of power.

I saw JennyCap practice and play against Meghann. I have new found respect for her discipline.

Bright Red
Sep 5th, 2002, 03:42 AM
A wise cat you are indeed. Serena is definitely showing just how good she is.

***hmmm. could Serena's cat suit have something to do with it***

Williams Rulez
Sep 5th, 2002, 10:20 AM
Well, I think cat is trying to say that there is little kinks in Serena's armour and that makes her superior in a way compared to Steffi or Martina cause as great as they were, they had weakness to be exploited, which Serena doesn't.

the cat
Sep 5th, 2002, 06:15 PM
LOL @ Bright Red! :p And I do like her Catsuit! :hearts:

Well said Williams Rulez! :D

the cat
Sep 8th, 2002, 04:31 AM
Congratulations to Serena Williams on winning the 2002 U.S. Open! :D Serena overwhelmed her sister Venus in the final 6-4 6-3! :eek:

And Serena just completed what was arguably the most impressive play in any grand slam tournament in the history of women's tennis. The 2002 women's U.S. Open title was never in doubt! Serena won all her matches in straight sets, and very convincingly, too! :bounce:

Well done Serena! And what if Serena continues to improve? That's a frightening thought for female tennis players! :eek:

selesfan
Sep 8th, 2002, 06:29 AM
I agree! I've been watching tennis for a long time and Serena is one of the most amazing players I have ever seen. Congrats Serena!:bounce: :bounce:

Hurley
Sep 8th, 2002, 06:34 AM
I said a couple years ago that Serena has it all -- unmatchable power combined with flawless guile.

I totally agree with the cat -- this is the most depth women's tennis has ever had, and Serena Williams is dominating the sport. Clearly she would beat anyone who has ever played the game of women's tennis, and that is not debatable.

Williams Rulez
Sep 8th, 2002, 07:27 AM
Well said Hurley... :D

Hurley
Sep 8th, 2002, 07:30 AM
Here is an article that is quite fitting!

Serena Williams: The best ever?
By STEVE WILSTEIN
AP Sports Writer
September 8, 2002


NEW YORK (AP) -- She's No. 1 in the family, the world and, arguably, the history of women's tennis.

Dancing from clay to grass to hardcourt in a sizzling summer of Grand Slam triumphs, Serena Williams leaped into an elite circle of champions and made a case for being the best woman ever to play the game.

And she's getting better all the time.

It takes a rare talent to win the French Open, Wimbledon and the U.S. Open in succession. Steffi Graf, Martina Navratilova, Billie Jean King and Margaret Smith were the only ones to do it in the Open era.

Serena joined them Saturday night after taking out her big sister, Venus, the two-time defending champion, 6-4, 6-3 in a final that was more historic than dramatic.

Nothing fazes Serena. Not a stalker who was arrested early in the tournament. Not the pressure of sustaining a Grand Slam winning streak that has reached 21 matches. Not the glitz of a final night with champions all around the court, celebrities in the stands, a prime-time television audience watching, and Venus across the net.

Serena's nerves and serves were steady and she launched her body into attacking shots with utter abandon, her feet off the ground, her bleached blond tresses flying, her thick arm and leg muscles gleaming in the lights. She aimed for the lines and frequently hit them.

Three weeks shy of her 21st birthday, Serena won her second U.S. Open and fourth major with a synthesis of power, control, athleticism and tennis savvy that no woman has ever displayed.

Over long careers, Graf and Navratilova are still the champions to beat. They dominated their eras, amassed extraordinary records and had greater single seasons than Serena had this year. Graf swept the four Grand Slam tournaments in 1988. Navratilova won 74 straight matches in 1984. But neither of them, in their prime, could match Serena's serves, foot speed or strength.

Graf and Navratilova only occasionally served faster than 100 mph. Serena does it all the time on first serves, and is often over 110 mph. Her top speed against Venus was 117, and she had only one double-fault. Venus clocked a couple of 120 mph serves, but she double-faulted 10 times.

Graf and Navratilova were faster afoot than any of the women of their time. Venus is faster than they were, and Serena is faster still, reaching balls neither of them would have touched. She can pound winners from the baseline, whack volleys from midcourt, and drill overheads at the net.

If Graf or Navratilova or Evert had an edge over Serena in setting up points and putting away winners, she's catching up quickly. She's learned to harness her power and create points with smart play.

Serena and Venus are even in Grand Slam trophies with four apiece. They could conceivably trade titles and the No. 1 and No. 2 rankings for years. Very little separates them while the gulf is growing between them and the rest of the tour.

But there are hints that suggest Serena will be the one to dominate, that she's more comfortable than Venus in the spotlight and under pressure and that she wants it more.

Venus spoke after the match of being tired, mentally and physically, and needing a break. She's often mentioned having other interests, like fashion design, and a reluctance to have a long tennis career. Losing to her younger sister frequently may be more dispiriting than losing to other players.

``I just had to tune out everything,'' Venus said wearily. ``People just wear you to death and talk so much. I just want to get away from the hype. I think Serena likes the attention.

``She's more of an outgoing person than I am. Everyone has their year, and this is her year. Next year could be her year also. I don't know. But I'm glad she's done well.''

Serena was spurred from an early age by Venus' success, and all the more in the past year after watching her sister surge to No. 1. Now there seems to be no stopping Serena.

``I really wanted to stay No. 1,'' she said. ``I knew that everything was on the line. I'm going to have some fun next year, that's for sure.''

The difference between her now and 1999, when she won the U.S. Open the first time as a precocious 17-year-old, can be measured in every facet of her game: strength, speed, strokes and strategy.

``I'm more mature and more relaxed,'' she said. ``I'm a better player, obviously. I have more fun with what I do. I'm not as stressed out there as I used to be.''

Navratilova was at courtside watching her. Evert came out to flip the coin for serve before the start of the match. Graf didn't stick around to watch, but she was at courtside earlier in the day as her husband, Andre Agassi, beat Lleyton Hewitt to set up a men's final against Pete Sampras.

Those three women's champions own records that Serena might never match. But if they were on a court together, all in their prime, Serena would take them apart.

Steve Wilstein is a national sports columnist for The Associated Press. Write to him at swilstein(at)ap.org

Williams Rulez
Sep 8th, 2002, 08:16 AM
Yeah... I just read the article... and I wanted to post it... you beat me to it! :D

CHOCO
Sep 8th, 2002, 08:36 AM
hURLEY - YOU BEAT ME TO IT ALSO...LOL :)

the cat
Sep 11th, 2002, 08:50 PM
Great article! Thanks for posting it! :wavey: I guess the AP writer Steve Wilstein and I think alike! :D

frenchvee
Sep 11th, 2002, 09:26 PM
Cat

what makes serena so great compares to the other
what are her weaknesses and strenght
and do you see her dominating for the next couple of years (boy i would love that)
I use to be only a casual watcher before the williams came on tour

thanks

the cat
Sep 12th, 2002, 02:17 AM
Hi Frenchvee! :wavey:

Yes, I see Serena Williams dominating for the next couple of years. I could see Serena winning atleast 4 of the next 8 grand slams. The only thing that can stop her is a major injury.

Frenchvee, Serena is so great because she, unlike all the other great women tennis players I have seen, doesn't have a weakness. And Serena's phenomonal combination of size, power and speed is unsurpassed in womens tennis.

P.S. - Serena certainly has the best first and second serve combination in women's tennis history! :D I don't thinkanyone would dispute that.

BK4ever
Sep 12th, 2002, 02:36 AM
What Serena achieves is all up to her and her motivation. The girl is ruthless...she gets pissed at losing a game. Did anyone see the slap on her thigh she gave herself after she lost serve to davenport and then let her hold. I'm sure she had a bruise, but she went on a tear after that. The girl is something else. I think intensity is one of the major differences between her and Vee right now. Vee is just not as ruthless as Rena.

the cat
Sep 12th, 2002, 03:45 AM
BK, intensity is playing a major role in Serena's major success! :D

CanIGetAWhat
Jan 26th, 2003, 05:13 PM
Serena is certainly one of the greatest after completing the career Grand Slam but she still has a long way to go before people can compare her to Steffi, Martina Navratilova or any other legends.

the cat
Jan 26th, 2003, 08:15 PM
Why did you bring this thread back? Thanks to the Serena Slam it is an apropos thread!

Steffi and Martina had major weaknesses and Serena doesn't. Becasue of superior competition and athleticism on the WTA Tour, I don't expect Serena to be able rack up the incredible number of grand slam singles titles like Graf and Navratilova did. But she is clearly a superior singles player becasue of her power, speed and unbeatable combination of offense and defense! :D Sure, Steffi and Martina were great singles players. But Serena is superior to them because of her power off both sides, the serve and no weaknesses, whereas Steffi had the weak backhand and Martina's ground game was average. Serena is Queena! :D

Becool
Jan 26th, 2003, 08:42 PM
LOVE THIS THREAD! :D

THANKS FOR MAKING IT THE CAT :bounce:!!!!!

Pamela Shriver
Jan 26th, 2003, 08:54 PM
Serena Williams is the greatest women's tennis player I have ever seen!

Pffft, obviously never seen me play then

the cat
Jan 26th, 2003, 10:22 PM
You're welcome, Becool!

Dawn Marie
Jan 26th, 2003, 10:58 PM
Hi Cat:) I agree Serena is totally awsome baby!:)

the cat
Jan 26th, 2003, 11:14 PM
Hi Dawn! :wavey: :kiss: I'm glad the heavenly nurse from Ohio is back! :bounce: I hope you're not taking Venus' loss too hard! That was a tough one, Dawn!

BasicTennis
Jan 27th, 2003, 04:20 AM
Serena is indeed the best and she can only get better.;)

selesfan
Jan 27th, 2003, 04:28 AM
Serena is definitely the best!:bounce: :bounce:

BasicTennis
Jan 27th, 2003, 11:57 AM
you'll get used to it knopfler6.;)

Experimentee
Jan 27th, 2003, 12:41 PM
I've only been a tennis fan since the 90's, but Serena is the most formidable player i've seen. Its true that she has no real weaknesses, and her mental strength covers those anyway. Shes a truly great player.

Weevee
Jan 27th, 2003, 12:54 PM
Cat, you are obviously a man of superior intelligence.
I have been forced to admit that my own goddess (Venus) has feet of clay.

tiger
Jan 27th, 2003, 02:26 PM
to 'the cat'

you believe that Serena is the greatest player??

ohh ok you Didn't see me!! :D

you would change your mind! :D :-)

Volcana
Jan 27th, 2003, 02:35 PM
Serena is currently playing at higher level than anyone I've seen. However, I've seen this show before. Monica Seles was once playing at the highest level Id ever seen. But 2-3 years isn't a career.

However, you were clear that when you said, 'greatest I've ever seen' you meant 'at the moment', not for an entire career. So I'd agree.

the cat
Jan 29th, 2003, 01:22 AM
What does Knopfler6 mean by a broken record? :confused: Is Knopfler6 insinuating what I'm saying is a broken record or what Serena Williams fans are saying is a broken record?

Weevee, thanks for the compliment! :D

Tiger, is that really you? ;)

Volcana, thanks for clarifying what I meant and agreeing with me! :wavey:

Rollo
Jan 29th, 2003, 09:33 AM
At her BEST Serena is probably tops-but to say she has "no weaknesses" is far from correct IMO. Lets not forget that champs often have to win playing below their best , which Serena did at the Aussie.

For starters she often has problems just keeping the ball in court.

She has problems with forehands hit in her direction deep down the center. She doesn't get out of the way of them.

She can get passive-aggressive when she's nervous, which we didn't see in 2002, but was much in evidence in 2001 and at Oz.

She misses routine volleys and overheads like a lot of the women.
One bright spot for Venus lately is her volley-she's sticking them with authority.

In the end it's her second serve that's putting distance between Serena and the pack-including her sister. Serena serves like a man , putting a kick spin on the second serve. No other woman can do that for now.

the cat
Feb 2nd, 2003, 01:58 AM
Rollo, I think your critique of Serena sounds a little harsh! :eek: Lucky for Serena those are minor weaknesses. Otherwise she wouldn't have become such a prolific winner. But I agree with you about her great second serve.

aisha
Feb 2nd, 2003, 04:52 AM
The volleys, smashes, sometimes her movement and forehand are weakness albeit correctable ones. I'm impressed by the way she wins playing beneath her best. (i.e. the AO 1st rd and SF) Because she used to play marvelously in the slams until the QF's. *shudders* She ain't gonna fade because this woman simply refuses to lose. I didn't think she'd beat Kim, (did any of us?) yet she reeled off 6 straight games (blister and all) and broke @ love to win the match.

Is she in Navratilova/Evert/Court/King/Graf territory. Not yet. But something needs to be said about winning all four slams in a row.

spencercarlos
Feb 2nd, 2003, 06:33 AM
Originally posted by Volcana
Serena is currently playing at higher level than anyone I've seen. However, I've seen this show before. Monica Seles was once playing at the highest level Id ever seen. But 2-3 years isn't a career.

However, you were clear that when you said, 'greatest I've ever seen' you meant 'at the moment', not for an entire career. So I'd agree.

Sorry but Seles never played the higher level, in 90-93 period, she did not have a great serve, she had a poor net play and missed tons of overheads.

Honestly Speaking the highest Level for me has been Lindsay Davenport since wimbledon 1999 to the end of 2000. She played really well, she had some impecable matches, with no weaknesses at all. Eg her win vs Serena Usopen 2000, vs Hingis Ao 2000, Phily 99,2000, Masters 1999, vs Venus Philly 99, Vs Graf at Wimbledon. Among other wins.

The way she was timing the ball was so perfect and clean.
There is no shot in tennis that Lindsay can not hit. She is not known for her volleys but if she gets to the ball she hits it perfectly.

Secondly i may say Steffi the 1994-1996 Years. She reached her top in those years.

Rae Q.
Feb 2nd, 2003, 06:47 AM
If she continues to play like she has been since last year and dominate and win tons more Slams I think she could be considered one of the greatest. She's my fav and all and even I don't think she's the greatest but hopefully Serena will finish her career as one of the Top 5 greatest. :)

BasicTennis
Feb 2nd, 2003, 12:18 PM
go for the grandslam Serena!!!!:bounce:

go for greatness!!!!;)

the cat
Jul 6th, 2003, 04:46 AM
Serena Williams has put another notch in her greatness belt by winning her second consecutive Wimbledon singles title and beating a very tough draw along the way! :D

selesfan
Jul 6th, 2003, 04:49 AM
Go Serena! :bounce:

Becool
Jul 6th, 2003, 05:16 AM
Damn Juju for taking the French Open title, that we all know, it was Serena's :cool:

BasicTennis
Jul 6th, 2003, 05:18 AM
oh Serena Almighty!!!!:worship:

Jordan.
Jul 6th, 2003, 05:19 AM
BasicTennis sucks!! :yippee:

BasicTennis
Jul 6th, 2003, 05:21 AM
LMAO you can't take away my joy today.:D:p

Jordan.
Jul 6th, 2003, 05:22 AM
BasicTennis should be injected with steroids!!! :dance:

BasicTennis
Jul 6th, 2003, 05:26 AM
I invented steriods for ya Jordan.:kiss:

propi
Jul 6th, 2003, 05:28 AM
Serena Williams is the greatest women's tennis player I have ever seen! And she's the most devastating, too! I have been fortunate enough to see Martina Navratilova and Steffi Graf at their best. And they were truly great. But their best does not match Serena Williams best! :eek: Serena has no weaknesses. Navratilova's baseline game was her weakness. And Graf's backhand was her weakness. And neither Martina or Steffi could match Serena's great power from all corner's of the court. That's fact, not fiction!

Serena Williams is the greatest women's tennis player I have ever seen! :D Venus Williams, Martina Navratilova and Steffi Graf are next in line in my eyes. I put Venus at her best ahead of Martina and Steffi at their best, because of her all court devastation, superior first serve and incomparable court coverage!

I realize Serena Williams has to dominate for several years to be considered an all tome great. But the Serena Williams of 2002 is the greatest women's tennis player I have ever seen! :bounce: And I'm glad she is finally fulfilling her immense potential! And figuratively speaking, Serena Williams is by far the most intimidating women's tennis player of all time. I don't think anyone would dispute that! :eek: But the good news is Serena seems like a very nice person! :)
Well Graff with that "weak" backhand won 22 GS in singles, something that will hardly surpased, i don't doubt Serena is good but no the best

BasicTennis
Jul 6th, 2003, 05:30 AM
Well Graff with that "weak" backhand won 22 GS in singles, something that will hardly surpased, i don't doubt Serena is good but no the best
Graf has no rival during her time.:o

the cat
Jun 30th, 2004, 10:09 PM
After Serena's stunning and overwhelming 6-1 6-1 victory over Jennifer Capriati in the 2004 Wimbledon quarterfinals I thought it would be appropriate to bring back this thread after nearly a year of being dormant.

vettipooh
Jun 30th, 2004, 10:14 PM
Gee, Cat, you're not one for hyperbole. LOL!

Time will tell about Serena's place in history. BUT she is a brick house!

:)Time has already told,about Serena's place in history!!!!!!;)

BlinX
Jun 30th, 2004, 10:18 PM
ya sure she's good NOW, but when graf and nav were the best, they were the best at their time! :rolleyes:

bandabou
Jun 30th, 2004, 10:25 PM
Definetely the best of her generation and ranks waayyyy up there with the other greats as well.

volta
Jun 30th, 2004, 10:27 PM
isn´t it nice to see that Serena is THA player that she is and still she´s able to have in her game things to improve? MG Serena if she improves her weaks on the game she become perfect.
Martina Nav. said on January 2004 that if Serena passes from the injury and improves those waek points on her game she can be the best Teenis player of all time (i think that Serena is almost there).

Jasmin
Jun 30th, 2004, 10:36 PM
I think she can be or she's on her way. She is certainly the most devastating.

SJW
Jun 30th, 2004, 10:41 PM
wow, this thread makes me truly realise how great her 02/03 run was. and she was only 21 :eek:

she's an amazing woman, and while she won't have the record for the most slams, she truly is a game great :)

DemWilliamsGulls
Jun 30th, 2004, 10:51 PM
I must agree...Serena is really doin the damn thing. This girl is AMAZING. Serena...is the baddest thing I've seen out on that court...(with the exeption of Venus) She makes me so proud when I see how the play and how her heart is into the game. She has that SHOW NO MERCY attitude on the court..and it puts fear into the players. She is truely a Legend....man...she really is!

Crazy_Fool
Jun 30th, 2004, 10:59 PM
All this from one match. Wow. Serena is good, but to get it from one of the worst performances put in from a top player in a long time, is strange.

davenport_1
Jun 30th, 2004, 11:03 PM
Steffi's backhand was NOT a weakness. she had a beautiful, yet accurate slice that stayed low to the ground and was hard for players to pick up.

SJW
Jun 30th, 2004, 11:04 PM
All this from one match. Wow. Serena is good, but to get it from one of the worst performances put in from a top player in a long time, is strange.
look at the date of the first post :o

1jackson2001
Jun 30th, 2004, 11:06 PM
She definitely has the most raw power but I wouldn't say she's the greatest just yet. Obviously she's far far off, in the resume department, but on the court IMO she has to be able to play devastating and dominating week in and week out (like Graf and Nav did). As long as Serena keeps her UEs down and her serve strong, she definitely is a candidate for best ever (performance on court-wise...not resume-wise).....:)

Crazy_Fool
Jun 30th, 2004, 11:10 PM
look at the date of the first post :o
Well it was obviously bought back today. I don't think you can class as her as the best for a long time.

DA FOREHAND
Jun 30th, 2004, 11:13 PM
Venus has a better first serve than Steffi Graf? I think not. Steffi's first serve was much more effective, and we won't even compare seconds.

Ballbuster
Jun 30th, 2004, 11:28 PM
Serena is the Best!

Nobody can stand toe to toe with her. The bygone gals would get a beatdown the way Capriati got one today.

the cat
Jun 30th, 2004, 11:28 PM
It's scary to think how great Serena would be if she didn't have that knee injury hamper her for the last year! :eek: If she can play a few more years without a major injury she will rack up several more grand slam singles titles and perhaps even win a double career grand slam! :D

I agree with bandabou that Serena is already the best female tennis player of her generation. She's clearly better than Martina Hingis and Jennifer Capriati. And she's better than her sister Venus Williams and the gap is widening.

Well said Sarah.

Anne K.
Jun 30th, 2004, 11:43 PM
Why did you bring this thread back? Thanks to the Serena Slam it is an apropos thread!

Steffi and Martina had major weaknesses and Serena doesn't. Becasue of superior competition and athleticism on the WTA Tour, I don't expect Serena to be able rack up the incredible number of grand slam singles titles like Graf and Navratilova did. But she is clearly a superior singles player becasue of her power, speed and unbeatable combination of offense and defense! :D Sure, Steffi and Martina were great singles players. But Serena is superior to them because of her power off both sides, the serve and no weaknesses, whereas Steffi had the weak backhand and Martina's ground game was average. Serena is Queena! :D
If Serena becomes as single-minded about tennis as Martina N. and Steffi
were, she very well may become the greatest ever player. But will she??
It seems Serena wants to have her cake and eat it too. She won't be the
best ever if she doesn't dedicate herself more fully. I know, I know, she's
so great she can do anything, and she wants t be well-rounded and not
burn out, and yadda yadda yadda. But whoever said great tennis champions
are well rounded individuals? Those greats who dominated and stayed at
the top for any length of time have had to pay the price, one way or
another. Serena could do no better than to take a look at her so-called
"idol", Pete Sampras. I really hope she can do everything she wants and
still be the greatest, but I guess time will tell.

BTW, I agree with you that her serve is better than Steffi's, and that
Steffi's backhand COULD be a liability some of the time (even though I
think her slice was pretty great, especially on grass.) But I do think
Serena has a few weaknesses--there isn't a player alive who's perfect.
I agree Serena is very fast, but her footwork isn't the best I've ever
seen--Goolagong and Graf were the best I ever saw. Her forhand can
break down under stress. Fortunately for her, other players don't seem
to know the right way to play her--lots of junk, slices and net play
would keep her off-balance. They all play pretty much the same, with
hard-hit shots and tons of pace, which plays right in to Serena's hands.

Sorry--I didn't mean to write such a dissertation!! I agree that Serena is
one of the best I've ever seen play, but that doesn't mean that Martina N.,
Chris, Steffi and Monica are/were chopped liver. :wavey:

the cat
Jul 1st, 2004, 05:03 PM
I enjoyed reading your dissertation, Anne K. :) ;) You made alot of good points. And I agree with you about how Serena needs to stay focused on tennis. And it looks like's she's very focused at Wimbledon.

Anne K.
Jul 4th, 2004, 02:25 AM
I enjoyed reading your dissertation, Anne K. :) ;) You made alot of good points. And I agree with you about how Serena needs to stay focused on tennis. And it looks like's she's very focused at Wimbledon.
:eek: WOW!! What the hell happened in the final??? I set my VCR to tape
because I was going to be gone all day and just discovered that I
must have screwed up, because it didn't tape at all! I'm sorry for
Serena, but very happy for Maria as well. You must have mixed feelings
about this result. Your ARE Russian, aren't you? But you really seem
to admire Serena a lot. I hope she can get her act together and do
well at the US Open.
:wavey:

the cat
Jan 28th, 2005, 05:34 PM
Winning the 2005 Australian Open would get Serena Williams back on her track to all time tennis greatness. :) But she still has to defeat Lindsay Davenport in the final and that won't be easy because Davenport is very eager to win another grand slam singles title.

And no Anne I'm not Russian. I'm American.

Martian Jeza
Jan 28th, 2005, 05:37 PM
Well, I think cat is trying to say that there is little kinks in Serena's armour and that makes her superior in a way compared to Steffi or Martina cause as great as they were, they had weakness to be exploited, which Serena doesn't.

Exaggeration in full force ...

Zhao
Jan 28th, 2005, 05:37 PM
all the best to Serena :)
she shd be achieving much much more...

Martian Jeza
Jan 28th, 2005, 05:40 PM
Bringing old threads back on top is quite stupid also... ( Why did I do that also ??? Damn me )

SJW
Jan 28th, 2005, 05:42 PM
why don't you go and post in threads of players you LIKE

oh i forgot...your sole reason for being on this board is to hate. you're pathetic. :)

the cat
Jan 28th, 2005, 05:51 PM
It's a big day for Serena so this thread is relevant. If Serena wins her 7th grand slam singles title today she moves 2 ahead of Martina Hingis, 3 ahead of her sister Venus and 4 ahead of Lindsay Davenport and Jennifer Capriati. I think Serena is by far the most dominant player of the group and the more grand slam singles titles she wins the further she seperates herself from this pack of very good and great (Hingis in 1997) tennis players.

JenCpLvr
Jan 28th, 2005, 06:01 PM
Serena is one of several best players of all time, I agree.

But, I'm not so sure that I believe she would beat Steffi consistently in Steffi's prime.

The difference in these two is that Steffi dominated for a long, long time. Serena hasn't been able to sustain a high level as Steffi did... To me that is just as important as having an impressive game when it's on.

Therefore I say that Serena is one of the best, but Steffi surpasses her by a long shot.

T-T
Jan 28th, 2005, 06:16 PM
"I think everyone would agree it's next to impossible for someone to beat me." (SW)

bump

Thread title is incorrect. Strong comeback, but Serena is a heavily grunting bodybuilder. Justine is the best women tennis player you will ever see.

Impossible is nothing.
http://www.sport.be/nl/images/2004/maart/justineadcover.jpg

the cat
Jan 28th, 2005, 06:31 PM
But it's Serena's great confidence that has won her alot of tough matches. If other players had the great self esteem that Serena does they would be better tennis players than they are.

If Serena wins the 2005 Australian Open she futher seperates herself from her top contemporaries.

T-T
Jan 28th, 2005, 07:25 PM
But it's Serena's great confidence that has won her alot of tough matches. If other players had the great self esteem that Serena does they would be better tennis players than they are.

If Serena wins the 2005 Australian Open she futher seperates herself from her top contemporaries.

Please keep in mind that three of the top contemporaries didn't participate due to injury.

tennislover
Jan 28th, 2005, 07:36 PM
[QUOTE=the cat]Serena Williams is the greatest women's tennis player I have ever seen!

OMG!!!! You have just won the second prize at "the best joke of the month contest" (the first prize was given to ginger SNAP ......)

How can you compare Serena, who until a couple of years ago could not even make a demi-volley, to the supreme class, talent, elegance, perfection, style shown by Martina Navratilova?
Power is not everything.............
so: Serena is a great champion but is not Martina.........

tennislover
Jan 28th, 2005, 07:47 PM
And what would a Sharapova fan know about tennis!

:lol:

yes I think that Serena & Sharapova are at the same level: but sharapova will win more.......

fammmmedspin
Jan 28th, 2005, 08:44 PM
The article was written in 2002 when she might well have gone on to be the best. The player out there in the SF this year though was nothing like as good as the player of 2002/3. The first version didn't have to scramble for points to avoid losing, she won playing at a high level. Compared to how well people like Graf, Seles, Henin, Capriati, Hingis or even Serena have played to win the AO Serena isn't currently at that level if you judge by the match as a whole not a few points. Even if you judged on saved MP, Jen would arguably get the nod saving twice as many. The Serena come back was bigger against Kim too.

Jaime Bahena
Jan 28th, 2005, 08:50 PM
Time will tell, eshell. Time will tell. And Serena has time on her side!

Unfortunately, so does what's her name, a/k/a the Russian princess/goddess.

Pureracket
Jan 28th, 2005, 09:20 PM
The article was written in 2002 when she might well have gone on to be the best. The player out there in the SF this year though was nothing like as good as the player of 2002/3. The first version didn't have to scramble for points to avoid losing, she won playing at a high level. Compared to how well people like Graf, Seles, Henin, Capriati, Hingis or even Serena have played to win the AO Serena isn't currently at that level if you judge by the match as a whole not a few points. Even if you judged on saved MP, Jen would arguably get the nod saving twice as many. The Serena come back was bigger against Kim too.The player out there in the SF had twice the heart and maturity as the one in 2002/3. The current player remains calm and strategic in tense situations. Because the 2002/3 Serena was beating everyone, there was no need to display such character. She very well could be the best player - still.

the cat
Jan 28th, 2005, 11:38 PM
I'll keep that in mind T-T.

tennislover, I know power is not everything. Serena's speed and great defesne is just as important to her game as her power is. And she will display that tonight in the 2005 Australian Open final against Lindsay Davenport. Serena's speed and defense will make the difference in this match.

Good posts Jaime and Pureracket.

DEETHELICK
Jan 29th, 2005, 12:20 AM
I don't think Serena is playing that well. She is fighting well.

Neither is Lindsay playing well, however her groundies look much more solid than Serenas.

DemWilliamsGulls
Jan 29th, 2005, 12:31 AM
I would have to agree Serena (and her sister Venus) are the greatest tennis players that I've seen while watching tennis. I didnt see Navitorlova that much, but I saw Graff, Seles, Hingis and a few others...and the William Sisters brought tennis to a totally differnet level. They are the most decorated female tennis players in the history of tennis. I tip my hat to the both of them.

the cat
Jan 29th, 2005, 09:32 PM
Congratulations to Serena Williams on winning the 2005 Australian Open and her seventh grand slam singles title! :D This was a well earned title for Serena because she had to fight so hard to win the title and especially her last 2 matches.

Good point DEETHELICK about how Serena is fighting well. :boxing: :tennis: She's not playing at her amazing Serena Slam level, but few women's tennis players have ever played at that level. But she is battling to win as hard as she ever has. I think in addition to going down as an all time great women's tennis player Serena Williams will go down as one of the greatest fighters in women's tennis history! :D And I think that her speed and defesne are just as important as her serve and power. She has proven that many times including most recently against Lindsay Davenport in the 2005 Australian Open final. It's hard to get winners by Serena. And the way she goes from defense to offense is incredible and it's very hard and very frustrating for her opponents to deal with Serena's devastating defense to offense transition. :bolt: :tennis:

T-T
Jan 29th, 2005, 10:58 PM
"I think everyone would agree it's next to impossible for someone to beat me." (SW)

bump after editing

Thread title is incorrect. Strong comeback, but Serena is a heavily grunting bodybuilder. Justine is the best women tennis player you will ever see.

Impossible is nothing.
http://www.sport.be/nl/images/2004/maart/justineadcover.jpg

Pureracket
Jan 29th, 2005, 11:33 PM
"I think everyone would agree it's next to impossible for someone to beat me." (SW)

bump after editing

Thread title is incorrect. Strong comeback, but Serena is a heavily grunting bodybuilder. Justine is the best women tennis player you will ever see.

Impossible is nothing.
http://www.sport.be/nl/images/2004/maart/justineadcover.jpgAGain, it's cool that you are using Serena's thread as a soapbox for you Justine campaign. While not in Serena's league, Justine is a fine champion. It's really too bad that you can't do your own threads about JHH. You're only making Serena fans happier.;)

T-T
Jan 29th, 2005, 11:38 PM
Not in Serena's league! Hahaha :lol:

Btw, this is not Serena's thread. This is an open forum and everybody can disagree with the first post and tell the others why. This is not "Serena's thread" (typically arrogant).

For Serena exclusiveness go to the fanforum. You won't see me there, rest assured. I have manners.

SJW
Jan 29th, 2005, 11:41 PM
i'm so happy that people are finally showing their true colours again :)

i have SORELY missed posters doing their upmost best to discredit Serena's achievements...cuz it means that Serena is back to her best. i loved the way y'all put up a front when Serena was losing, but now it's back to the petty jibes and far fetched conspiracy theories :lol:

fact: Serena has 7 singles slams. NO seriously active singles player has more. i'd prefer her to be the most hated player on this board, and win. cuz that makes it all that more satisfying :)

Serena is "talentless", "one dimensional" etc etc etc yet the record books will show what's most important. that girl knows how to win :)

Pureracket
Jan 29th, 2005, 11:42 PM
Not in Serena's league! Hahaha :lol:

Btw, this is not Serena's thread. This is an open forum and everybody can disagree with the first post and tell the others why. This is not "Serena's thread" (typically arrogant).

For Serena exclusiveness go to the fanforum. You won't see me there, rest assured. I have manners.T-T(Still here? :wavey:),
It's a thread about SErena. It's obvious that you know that you wouldn't have the response or the spotlight in a thread about JHH. Your silly insults, if that's what you want to call them, still don't cancel the fact that Serena is the champion.

Advice: Why don't you PM cheesetricks for some better material to launch against Serena and her fans. Your stuff is kinda stale. I would love to keep reading your posts, but you gotta come up with something about a player who is at least on the tour right now.:D

Pureracket
Jan 29th, 2005, 11:43 PM
i'm so happy that people are finally showing their true colours again :)

i have SORELY missed posters doing their upmost best to discredit Serena's achievements...cuz it means that Serena is back to her best. i loved the way y'all put up a front when Serena was losing, but now it's back to the petty jibes and far fetched conspiracy theories :lol:

fact: Serena has 7 singles slams. NO seriously active singles player has more. i'd prefer her to be the most hated player on this board, and win. cuz that makes it all that more satisfying :)

Serena is "talentless", "one dimensional" etc etc etc yet the record books will show what's most important. that girl knows how to win :)Nice. .. nice. . .nice.:)

T-T
Jan 29th, 2005, 11:53 PM
Pureracket, my dear ungifted friend. Shake off your cop frustration and don't tell me what to post or not. I have congratulated Serena several times in other jubilatory threads. But please be so kind not to tell me where and what I can post. I disagree with the poster of this thread and I have every right to declare why. Grow up.

Pureracket
Jan 29th, 2005, 11:59 PM
Pureracket, my dear ungifted friend. Shake off your cop frustration and don't tell me what to post or not. I have congratulated Serena several times in other jubilatory threads. But please be so kind not to tell me where and what I can post. I disagree with the poster of this thread and I have every right to declare why. Grow up.You are trying to compare JHH with Serena and I'm ungifted. . .. :lol:?

I'm sure Serena appreciates your congratulations. On behalf of the :worship:RoyalCourt:worship: , I accept your congratulatory remarks in the same spirit in which you meant them.

I'm sorry if you think that I don't want you posting in Serena threads. It's just that I question why someone, who obviously doesn't like Serena, would be so obsessed. You, Julia, cheesestix, ys, are all fun on here because of your negativity towards Serena, and that makes us celebrate even more; however, I think you all are probably pretty scary in real life whenever somebody pisses you off.:eek:

Chrissie-fan
Jan 30th, 2005, 12:28 AM
Exactly. Besides,the followers of tennis always have the habit of calling the best current player the best of all time. When Sampras retired people were calling him the best ever. Now,only a couple of years later they are already saying the same thing about Federer. Besides,Serena was one point away from losing against Sharapova in the semis. If that had happened few would have argued that she's the best player NOW,let alone of all time. And Serena DOES have a weakness. She makes a lot more unforced errors than both Martina's,Chris or Steffi (to name but a few) ever did. I'm not taking anything away from Serena. SHE IS a great player with a game ideally suited for this era,but let's keep things in perspective. :smoke:
The argument about putting them in Serena's time is an unfair argument, because it goes both ways. If you gave Serena a wood rquet and put her in Martina's time how would she do? The argument is unfair, and really shouldn't be used.

Pureracket
Jan 30th, 2005, 12:34 AM
People seem to forget that the title is about the thread starter's best ever "seen", not the best ever.

Rocketta
Jan 30th, 2005, 12:47 AM
Just the kind of hate that I expected your kind to produce. What took you so long?
That can't hold it in long especially when they are winning. :lol:

Paldias
Jan 30th, 2005, 12:51 AM
1. http://www.values.ch/Hingis/GrandSlam-99/Serena.jpg
2. http://www.detnews.com/pix/2002/06/09/sposerena.jpg
3. http://www.rediff.com/sports/2002/jul/07sld5.jpg
4. http://www.sportinglife.com/pictures/general/allsportserenatrophy.jpg
5. http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/tennis/2003/australian_open/news/2003/01/24/serena_venus_final/t1_serena2_ap.
6. http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/images/39248000/jpg/_39248248_trophy_get300x245.jpg
7. http://www.australianopen.com/images/pics/large/b_0129_swilliams_16.jpg

Yay Serena! :D

Pureracket
Jan 30th, 2005, 12:52 AM
You shouldn't have pissed me off. Are you trying to tell me Serena is NOT behaving like a bad fashion death metal baseball club swinging orgasmic gorilla slash bodybuilder ???

Discuss!LOL. . .regardless of how the 2005 Aussie Open Champion is acting, you are a sick, mental, "thing"of sorts.

Unlike the stylish hate and vitriole of one of your counterparts, cheesedrip, your demeanor kind of stinks. . .LOL!!!!! You come off as a sort of incompetent waif who is lacking in "serious" other areas of life/body. . .LOL!!!!! Also, it's soooo funny that you think you've pissed me off with any gorilla reference or anything like that. We've been posting on this board for far too long to be upset by your kind.

Do you seriously think that we haven't already predicted this from you? Do you seriously think that we didn't see your ignorance and hate filled posts coming from a mile away? The sad thing about it, like I said, is that it's not even. . .umm. . . interesting.

I doubt if you're even a real JHH fan, but instead you probably pant and sweat at the thought of the sexy Williams Sisters fans.;)

Pureracket
Jan 30th, 2005, 12:53 AM
That can't hold it in long especially when they are winning. :lol:LOL!!!!! I hated to break him down like that.:lol:

Rocketta
Jan 30th, 2005, 12:56 AM
Pure, he probably thinks we read the gorilla remark and started to :bigcry: Ah yeah I've never head that put down before. :tape: I'm so shocked someone on the net called Serena a monkey or an animal. :eek: I'd never heard anyone talk about her like that! ;)

:lol: oh the hilarity of the unstable. :retard:

Rocketta
Jan 30th, 2005, 12:57 AM
LOL!!!!! I hated to break him down like that.:lol:Ha, I know you were dropping the bread crumbs and he was following them like he was hansel and Gretal. :lol:

Pureracket
Jan 30th, 2005, 12:59 AM
Pure, he probably thinks we read the gorilla remark and started to :bigcry: Ah yeah I've never head that put down before. :tape: I'm so shocked someone on the net called Serena a monkey or an animal. :eek: I'd never heard anyone talk about her like that! ;)

:lol: oh the hilarity of the unstable. :retard:LOL!!!!! Yeah, that's what I was talking about. I hate the unoriginal ones like him. He was probably thinking, "I really told them. I referred to Serena as a 'gorilla'." LOL!!!!!

What a waste of broadband. . ..LOL!!!!!

Rocketta
Jan 30th, 2005, 01:00 AM
LOL!!!!! Yeah, that's what I was talking about. I hate the unoriginal ones like him. He was probably thinking, "I really told them. I referred to Serena as a 'gorilla'." LOL!!!!!

What a waste of broadband. . ..LOL!!!!!
:lol:

Preach on Brotha Man, Preach on! :worship: :worship:

T-T
Jan 30th, 2005, 01:02 AM
There's a reason for wanting me to hurt you. You have no right telling me what not to post here. I kick it right back at Your Complacency. I don't like your kind colonizing the entire General Messages page. You're sharing the same arrogance your fav player excells in. Childish behavior if you ask anyone, I'm sure you'll be able to self-analyze up to that point.

You got uncivilized, I did so even more. I hope it makes you behave better next time. The internet isn't yours, you know.

Rocketta
Jan 30th, 2005, 01:03 AM
There's a reason for wanting me to hurt you. You have no right telling me what not to post here. I kick it right back at Your Complacency. I don't like your kind colonizing the entire General Messages page. You're sharing the same arrogance your fav player excells in. Childish behavior if you ask anyone, I'm sure you'll be able to self-analyze up to that point.

You got uncivilized, I did so even more. I hope it makes you behave better next time. The internet isn't yours, you know.
:haha:

I guess you told him. :scared:

:haha:

Hey I bet Pure has learned his lesson. :unsure: No Really! :tape:

:lol:

Pureracket
Jan 30th, 2005, 01:05 AM
:haha:

I guess you told him. :scared:

:haha:

Hey I bet Pure has learned his lesson. :unsure: No Really! :tape:

:lol:LOL!!!!!

SerialKiller#69
Jan 30th, 2005, 01:06 AM
She's a great player alright. But not the greatest I have seen.

Pureracket
Jan 30th, 2005, 01:07 AM
There's a reason for wanting me to hurt you. You have no right telling me what not to post here. I kick it right back at Your Complacency. I don't like your kind colonizing the entire General Messages page. You're sharing the same arrogance your fav player excells in. Childish behavior if you ask anyone, I'm sure you'll be able to self-analyze up to that point.

You got uncivilized, I did so even more. I hope it makes you behave better next time. The internet isn't yours, you know.:wavey:Sorry to have broken you down like that. (No, I'm not. . . .LOL!!!!!)

RVD
Jan 30th, 2005, 01:07 AM
That old adage, "There's a thin line between love and hate." would apply here, me thinks. I wouldn't be surprised if many of these Serena haters actually love her. :eek: "Closet-Haters." :lol:
They especially love the pics of Serena with her...
Daphne Akhurst Memorial Cup

...held aloft. :lol:

T-T
Jan 30th, 2005, 01:18 AM
Ooo, a triumvirate of self-satisfied onanists pretending not be bothered by my presence on THEIR board. The grandeur of the frustrates who think posting a pic of Jusine in a Serena thread is sacrilege!

I suggest you flock in your nest (http://www.wtaworld.com/forumdisplay.php?f=125). There has only been one post since yesterday!!! :eek:

Oh, but then you wouldn't get all that attention you seem to be lacking so much in real life... It's ok, keep making Serena threads, we'll laugh at your collectivist gloats. You must be great people if you rally for such a talented champ!! :rolleyes:

Rocketta
Jan 30th, 2005, 01:20 AM
awww, don't be sad cause you can't be me. :wavey:

Ooo, a triumvirate of self-satisfied onanists pretending not be bothered by my presence on THEIR board. The grandeur of the frustrates who think posting a pic of Jusine in a Serena thread is sacrilege!

I suggest you flock in your nest (http://www.wtaworld.com/forumdisplay.php?f=125). There has only been one post since yesterday!!! :eek:

Oh, but then you wouldn't get all that attention you seem to be lacking so much in real life... It's ok, keep making Serena threads, we'll laugh at your collectivist gloats. You must be great people if you rally for such a talented champ!! :rolleyes:

Pureracket
Jan 30th, 2005, 01:33 AM
awww, don't be sad cause you can't be me. :wavey:Oh, he's getting desperate right now. I'm kinda surprised that he wasn't stronger than what he was. Cheesedrips puts up a much better fight. T-T just started getting silly after a little while.

RVD
Jan 30th, 2005, 01:48 AM
Ooo, a triumvirate of self-satisfied onanists pretending not be bothered by my presence on THEIR board. The grandeur of the frustrates who think posting a pic of Jusine in a Serena thread is sacrilege!

I suggest you flock in your nest (http://www.wtaworld.com/forumdisplay.php?f=125). There has only been one post since yesterday!!! :eek:

Oh, but then you wouldn't get all that attention you seem to be lacking so much in real life... It's ok, keep making Serena threads, we'll laugh at your collectivist gloats. You must be great people if you rally for such a talented champ!! :rolleyes:Hey T-T, in the States we have a cereal named after you...
http://www.fabrex.com/products/_images/brilliante_pvc3.gif
It's made with flakes. Sugar-frosted mind you.
They're grrr-reat!

Pureracket
Jan 30th, 2005, 01:50 AM
Hey T-T, in the States we have a cereal named after you...
http://www.fabrex.com/products/_images/brilliante_pvc3.gif
It's made with flakes. Sugar-frosted mind you.Flakes are fine, but I'm thinking that T-T is sacharine(?) frosted. .. LOL!!!!!

Rocketta
Jan 30th, 2005, 01:58 AM
Flakes are fine, but I'm thinking that T-T is sacharine(?) frosted. .. LOL!!!!!
yup, I wouldn't be surprised if he doesn't carry a warning that says, "has been known to cause cancer...." as well.:tape:

Dawn Marie
Jan 30th, 2005, 02:05 AM
T-T let Serena be beautiful without your permission.

She just won her 7th slam and will win more. This is great and you haters have no control over Serena being beautiful without your permission.

So stop being so ugly and behave more like Serena. If you can.:)

Serena Williams won her 7th major and pumped her fist and did it her way. Stop hatin and chill out and become a WITNESS to her greatness and beauty.:)

T-T
Jan 30th, 2005, 02:07 AM
I got the kiddies' attention now, don't I, Your Impurity?

My point is: I think Justine is the best player ever. If only Pureracket would have answered with arguments, and with a minimum amount of curteousness, instead of insisting I don't come here if I don't agree with the title, we could have avoided this ehrm debate.

Then again I'd have missed a lot of fun kickin' some typically rude yankee butt.

http://espn.starwave.com/i/tennis/profiles/players/henin.jpg

RVD
Jan 30th, 2005, 02:09 AM
Flakes are fine, but I'm thinking that T-T is sacharine(?) frosted. .. LOL!!!!!True-true, but the problem with flakes is that they're thin and brittle, and wilt rather quickly when wet. :lol:

Rocketta
Jan 30th, 2005, 02:13 AM
I got the kiddies' attention now, don't I, Your Impurity?

My point is: I think Justine is the best player ever. If only Pureracket would have answered with arguments, and with a minimum amount of curteousness, instead of insisting I don't come here if I don't agree with the title, we could have avoided this ehrm debate.

Then again I'd have missed a lot of fun kickin' some typically rude yankee butt.

http://espn.starwave.com/i/tennis/profiles/players/henin.jpg
wow, cancer causing AND delusional...:eek:

the cat
Jan 30th, 2005, 09:58 PM
Serena Williams is great and is on the road to becoming an all time great tennis player. :D In fact she already is with owning a career grand slam and all. :)

rjd1111
Jan 30th, 2005, 10:14 PM
Yup... she is definitely one of the best to ever play the game... she doesn't have the resume of Steffi or Navratilova, but her game is definitely up there with them.




No, She doesn't have the Resume of those players, And she won't mainly because she doesn,t play as much. But, I have seen them play and I'm comforted by the fact that If she had been around when they played They wouldn't have those Resumes either.

Bright Red
Jan 30th, 2005, 10:29 PM
I don't for a believe even for a minute that a certain poster is a fan of JHH.

Rocketta
Jan 30th, 2005, 11:10 PM
I don't for a believe even for a minute that a certain poster is a fan of JHH.
No you're probably right....when it posted that last picture of JHH that cemented it. :tape:

Bright Red
Jan 30th, 2005, 11:44 PM
No you're probably right....when it posted that last picture of JHH that cemented it. :tape:
Exactly :lol:

vs1
Jan 30th, 2005, 11:49 PM
I think that the passion Serena conjures up on this board is a testament to her greatness. Those who love her love her with such devotion. Those who can't stand her "hate" her with such devotion. Only a truly "GREAT" person conjures up such emotion. In the end, love her or not...we're ALL OBSESSED!! But, to me, it's understandable. She is a creature of extreme awe!! :worship: :worship: :worship:

FrauleinSteffi
Jan 31st, 2005, 02:36 AM
Why Steffi Graf is the greatest ever.

· Steffi is the ONLY player (man or woman) to have won a Golden Grand Slam - winning the four Grand Slam titles - the Australian Open, the French Open, Wimbledon and the US Open - in a single calendar year - 1988. In that year, Steffi also won the Olympic Gold Medal in Seoul - hence the name Golden Grand Slam.
·Steffi has won her 22 Grand Slam on four different surfaces - Rebound Ace at Flinders Park, Clay at Roland Garros, Grass at Wimbledon and cement Hard Court at Flushing Meadow. This fact, in itself, makes Steffi's Grand Slam unique.
· Steffi is the ONLY player (either male or female) to have won all four of the Grand Slam events at least 4 times.
· Steffi is the ONLY player (either male or female) to have won each of the four Grand Slam events in singles AND TO HAVE SUCCESSFULLY DEFENDED each and every one
· Steffi is one of only two players (either male or female) to have won the French Open and Wimbledon in the same year and to have done so four times. She achieved this in 1988, 1993, 1995 and 1996. Helen Wills Moody did it in 1928, 1929, 1930 and 1932. Bjorn Borg achieved it three times - 1978, 1979 and 1980
· Steffi had already won 7 Wimbledon titles by the age of 27
· It took Steffi only 9 years between her first and her eighteenth Grand Slam titles, while it took Margaret Court 11 years, and Chris Evert and Martina Navratilova 13 years each.
· Steffi holds the record for any player (either male or female) for the number of consecutive weeks as number 1 in the world - 186 weeks between 17th August 1987 and 10th March 1991.
· Steffi is the only player (either male or female) to have won all four Grand Slam singles titles in the 80s AS WELL AS in the 90s
· By winning the 1994 Australian Open, Steffi became only the second woman (Martina Navratilova was the other doing it in 1983/84) to win a non-calendar year Grand Slam, having already won the 1993 French Open, Wimbledon and US Open titles.
· Steffi holds the record for consecutive appearances in Grand Slam finals at 13 - from the 1987 French Open up to the 1990 French Open
· Steffi has won at least 3 Grand Slam titles in five different years - in 1988 she won all 4; in 1989 and 1993 she won 3 and was a finalist in the fourth; in 1995 and 1996 she won all three of the Grand Slams she played.
· Steffi has earned an Olympic Gold Medal (1988 at Seoul), a Silver Medal ( 1992 at Barcelona) and a Bronze Medal (1988 at Seoul in doubles).
· Steffi won the Lipton 5 times - a record for a man or woman. The Lipton is the biggest tournament outside the Grand Slams.
· Between 1986 and 1996, Steffi won at least 7 titles every year. Also she won at least one Grand Slam title every year between 1987 and 1996.
· Steffi has been the World Champion of Tennis seven times in ten years - 1987 to 1990, 1993 and 1995 and 1996. Seven times is a world record.
· Steffi has been the Corel WTA Player of the Year 1987 to 1990 and 1993 to 1996.
· Steffi holds a winning record against every significant player she has ever played, except Martina Navratilova (9-9) and Tracy Austin (1-1).
· Steffi holds the record as the player who has held the number 1 ranking in the world for the l o n g e s t period of time. As of the 24th March 1997, she had been in the top position for 377 weeks (over 7 years). The previous record was 331 weeks which was held by Martina Navratilova.
· Steffi won 107 titles

Special Moments in Steffi's career


This page lists important moments in Steffi's illustrious career.


At age 13, Steffi won the German Junior 18s Championship and the European Junior 18s Championship.
18th October 1982 - Steffi turned professional and the next day played her first match against Tracy Austin in Filderstadt, Germany. Steffi lost 4-6,0-6. She was 13 years and 4 months old.
May 1983 - Steffi played through the qualification rounds of her first Grand Slam event - the French Open - and entered the main draw. She lost in the second round 0-6,6-7 to Beverly Mould of South Africa who is one of the few players to have a winning record against Steffi (1-0)! At this event, Steffi, being only 13, was mistaken for a ballgirl!
June 1983 - Steffi, playing on grass (at Roehampton, England) for the first time as a pro, lost in the second round of the Wimbledon qualies 6-1,3-6,2-6 to Nerida Gregory of the US, who maintains a winning record against Steffi too (1-0)!
22nd October 1983 - Steffi gets to her first pro quarter-final. It is at Brighton and she lost to Ma. Christine Calleja of France 6-7,7-5,4-6.
November 1983 - Steffi played in her first Australian Open and retired after the first set of her first round match against Liz Smylie of Australia 1-6.
June/July 1984 - Steffi made her first impact at Wimbledon. In a round of 16 match, Steffi came very close to the quarter-finals but lost a heartbreaker to Englishwoman Jo Durie 6-3,3-6,7-9.
August 1984 - Steffi won the Olympic Demonstration Event at the Los Angeles Games defeating Yugoslav Sabrina Goles 1-6,6-3,6-4. As a demonstration event, no medals were awarded. Steffi was the youngest competitor in the tournament.
August 1984 - Steffi played in her first U.S. Open and lost to compatriot Sylvia Hanika 4-6,2-6.
21st October 1984 - Steffi played in her first final at Filderstadt but lost to Catarina Lindqvist of Sweden 1-6,4-6.
16 February 1985 - Steffi first match against Chris Evert - a 4-6,2-6 loss for Steffi.
September 1985 - Steffi won a highly significant match at the U.S. Open in the quarter-finals against Pam Shriver 7-6(7-4)6-7(4-7),7-6(7-4). On a very hot day, Steffi moved to her first Grand Slam semi-final, after three tiebreak sets.
7th September 1985 - In the semis, Steffi lost to Martina Navratilova 2-6,3-6. This was Steffi's first match against Martina.
Steffi was ranked number 6 in the world at the end of 1985. She was 16.
13th April 1986 - Steffi won her first title, defeating Chris Evert at the Family Circle Cup, 6-4,7-5. Having won her first title, the dam was broken and Steffi quickly won 3 more titles in quick succession. This was Steffi's first win over Chris Evert and she would never lose to Evert again.
19th May 1986 - Steffi won her first German Championship and at the same time had her first win against Martina 6-2,6-3.
7th and 8th February 1987 - At the Lipton, Steffi defeated in succession, in the semis and the final, Martina Navratilova (6-3,6-2) and Chris Evert (6-1,6-2). Steffi was the third seed.
5th June 1987 - Steffi won her first Grand Slam title - the French Open - on a double fault by Martina Navratilova. The score 6-4,4-6,8-6. Steffi had trailed 3-5 in the final set.
In 1987 Steffi lost to Martina in the finals of Wimbledon (5-7,3-6) and the U.S. Open (6-7,1-6).
July/August 1987 - In Vancouver, Germany defeated the United States to win the Federation Cup. Steffi had defeated Evert 6-3,6-4 but it was the doubles match that decided it. Steffi and Claudia Kohde-Kilsch came from behind to win 1-6,7-5,6-4 against Chris Evert and Pam Shriver.
16th August 1987 - Steffi defeated Chris Evert 6-3,6-4 at the Virginia Slims of Los Angeles, not knowing that this victory gave her the number 1 ranking until her father told her after the match. Steffi would hold onto the number 1 ranking for a record 186 weeks - until the 10th March 1991.
22nd November 1987 - Steffi won her first Masters (Virginia Slims Championships) by defeating Gabriela Sabatini 4-6,6-4,6-0,6-4 - her first 4 set match.
Steffi ended 1987 having lost just two matches (75-2).
In 1988, Steffi showed what being the number 1 player in the world meant. She won all 4 Grand Slam titles and added an Olympic Gold Medal. All in all, Steffi won 11 titles in 1988 and had a 72-3 record. Her Golden Grand Slam remains unique. Only two other women players have won a calendar year Grand Slam - Maureen Connolly in 1953 and Margaret Smith Court in 1970.
10th June 1988 - Steffi defeated Natasha Zvereva 6-0, 6-0 in just 34 minutes to win her second French Open title.
6th July 1988 - Steffi won her first Wimbledon title, playing tennis of such high quality. Trailing 5-7,0-2 against Martina Navratilova, Steffi raised her game to a level that few, if any, had ever witnessed before and won 12 of the next 13 games to take the title 5-7,6-2,6-1. Definitely one of the finest matches in Steffi's career.
8th June 1989 - Steffi played her first match against Monica Seles in the semi-finals of the French Open. Steffi won 6-3,3-6,6-3.
In 1989, Steffi continued her incredible run, winning three of the Slams - the Australian, Wimbledon and the U.S. Open. She lost the French title to Arantxa Sanchez 6-7(6-8),6-3,5-7 thereby just missing a second consecutive Grand Slam.
Steffi considered 1989 a better year than 1988. She won 14 titles and had a 86-2 record.
27th January 1990 - Steffi won the Australian Open with a 6-3,6-4 over Mary Joe Fernandez.
9th June 1990 - Steffi lost to Monica Seles in the final of the French Open 6-7,4-6.
5th July 1990 - Steffi lost to Zina Garrison-Jackson 3-6,6-3,4-6 in the semi-final of Wimbledon.
8th September 1990 - Steffi lost to Gabriela Sabatini 2-6,6-7(4) in the final of the U.S. Open.
30th September 1990 - Steffi won the first tournament ever played in Leipzig by defeating Arantxa Sanchez Vicario 6-1,6-1. What made this such a special occasion was that Steffi was playing in what used to be East Germany but was now part of a united Germany. In a very moving award ceremony, Steffi, moved to tears, donated her prize money of $70,000 to aid in the development of tennis in the Eastern part of her country. She was given an extended standing ovation.
1990 was a mixed year for Steffi - only 1 Grand Slam title, a 72-5 record and 9 titles! Anyone else would consider this a wonderful year.
February 1991 - This may have been a low point in Steffi's career as she actually considered quitting tennis. 1990 had been a mediocre year for her high standards - 72 wins and 5 losses - only one Grand Slam title! - and when 1991 started out with a quarter-final loss in the Australian Open to Jana Novotna (7-5,4-6,6-8) and then a quarter-final loss in Tokyo a week later to Gabriela Sabatini (6-4,4-6,6-7(6)), Steffi was discouraged. Steffi didn't win a title in 1991 until the 31st March when she beat Monica Seles in San Antonio (6-4,6-3). That was the tonic she needed.
10th March 1991 - Steffi relinquished the number 1 ranking to Monica Seles becoming number 2. She had completed a record 186 consecutive weeks as number 1.
6th July 1991 - Steffi, getting back on track, had a come from behind win against Sabatini in the final at Wimbledon (6-4,3-6,8-6).
5th August 1991 - Steffi regained the number 1 ranking for one week only - enough to be seeded number 1 in the U.S. Open. Steffi lost to Martina in the semis 6-7(2-7),7-6(8-6),4-6 in the Open.
19th August 1991 - Steffi regained the number 1 ranking again.
8th September 1991 - Steffi slipped to number 2 behind Seles again.
October 1991 - The Steffi Graf Youth Tennis Centre was founded in Leipzig.
2nd October 1991 - Steffi won her 500th match - 6 months ahead of the pace set by Chris Evert in her own career.
Steffi was unable to play the Australian Open in 1992.
6th June 1992 - Perhaps one of Steffi's most heartbreaking losses occured in the final of the French Open. She lost to Monica Seles 2-6,6-3,8-10. The play was very high quality. Steffi trailed most of the final set. Trailing 3-5 and with Steffi serving, Steffi had to fight off 4 Championship points for Seles before she won that game. Steffi then took the next two games to lead 6-5 and then 7-6, but Seles levelled to 7-7. Seles then led 7-8 and Steffi broke service to level at 8-8. Seles won the next two games. One commiseration was that the crowd at Roland Garros gave Steffi a rapturous reception that moved her to tears.
4th July 1992 - Steffi exacted sweet revenge on Seles by whipping her 6-2,6-1 in the final of Wimbledon.
July 1992 - In Frankfurt, Steffi led Germany to a win over Spain to win the Fed Cup. Steffi defeated Sanchez Vicario 6-4,6-2 in the final.
August 1992 - Steffi lost to Jennifer Capriati (6-3,3-6,4-6) in the final of the Olympics in Barcelona.
January 1993 - Germany won the Hopman Cup for the first time defeating Spain 2-1. Steffi defeated Arantxa Sanchez Vicario 6-4, 6-3; Michael Stich beat Emilio Sanchez 7-5, 6-4. The Spaniards won the mixed doubles.
30th January 1993 - Steffi lost to Monica Seles 6-4,3-6,2-6 in the final of the Australian Open.
14th March 1993 - Steffi won her 600th match.
April 1993 - A so-called fan of Steffi's stabbed Monica Seles in Hamburg. This horrible event obviously damaged Monica Seles, but also had a big effect on Steffi.
5th June 1993 - Steffi defeated Mary Joe Fernandez 4-6,6-2,6-4 in the final of the French Open.
7th June 1993 - Steffi regained the number 1 ranking.
3rd July 1993 - Steffi defeated Jana Novotna 7-6(6),1-6,6-4 in the final of Wimbledon.
11th September 1993 - Steffi defeated Helena Sukova 6-3,6-3 in the final of the U.S. Open. Steffi is the only player, man or woman, to have won all 4 Grand Slam titles in the '90s.
21st November 1993 - Steffi defeated Arantxa Sanchez Vicario in the finals of the Masters (Virginia Slims Championships) 6-1,6-4,3-6,6-1.
29th January 1994 - Steffi blitzed Arantxa Sanchez Vicario 6-0,6-2 in the final of the Australian Open and thereby completed a non-calendar year Grand Slam, only the second woman to do so. Martina Navratilova was the other in 1983-84.
6th February 1994 - In Tokyo, Steffi played Martina for the last time and defeated her 6-2,6-4 in the final of the Pan Pacific Open. This win leveled their head-to-head record at 9 wins each.
7th February 1994 - Steffi's ranking average hit 441.1746 which is the highest ranking average ever achieved by any player. Steffi had 6617.6185 points divided by 15 tournaments to arrive at this average. She held on to this average for three weeks until 28th February 1994 when it slipped to 429.8512 which was based upon 6877.6185 points divided by 16 tournaments. On the 21st March, 1994 Steffi's points actually peaked at 6951.6185 points which when divided by 16 tournaments yielded an average of 434.4762.
February/March 1994 - Steffi won three tournaments within a three week period - winning in Indian Wells on 27th February, in Delray Beach on 6th March and at Key Biscayne on 19th March. Since the Lipton is played over 10 days, the win at Key Biscayne was, technically, not precisely within a three week period. It was still a great achievement.
19th March 1994 - In the final of the Lipton against Natasha Zvereva, Steffi lost the first set thereby ending a streak of 57 consecutive sets without loss. The streak started in the final set of the 1993 Masters and extended through 27 consecutive matches in 1994, breaking a record set by Monica Seles in 1990.
3rd June 1994 - Mary Pierce defeated Steffi 6-2,6-2 in the semi-final of the French Open.
21st June 1994 - Defending Champion Steffi lost in the first round of Wimbledon to Lori McNeil 5-7,6-7(5).
21st August 1994 - In a final that would take six hours to complete owing to rain delays, and with Steffi receiving treatment for her painful back, Steffi lost to Arantxa Sanchez Vicario 5-7,6-1,6-7(4) at the Canadian Open. This was the most courageous and inspiring match that one can imagine. Steffi, refusing to give into the agony she was suffering and with the constant rain delays, won the hearts of the crowd in Montréal. Steffi was in tears and she wasn't the only one!
10th September 1994 - Once again bothered by her back, Steffi lost the final of the U.S. Open to Arantxa Sanchez Vicario. Steffi won the first set 6-1 in 22 minutes, but lost the second 6-7(3) and the third 4-6.
6th February 1995 - Steffi lost the number 1 ranking to Arantxa Sanchez Vicario. She would regain the top position on the 20th February for one week.
After an extensive layoff which meant missing the Australian Open, Steffi returned to tennis in 1995 winning titles in Paris, Delray Beach, Key Biscayne and Houston. The Houston title was her 90th title.
10th April 1995 - Steffi regained the number 1 ranking.
15th May 1995 - Steffi slipped to number 2 again behind Arantxa Sanchez Vicario.
10th June 1995 - Steffi defeated Arantxa Sanchez Vicario 7-5,4-6,6-0 in the final of the French Open. Steffi's 4th French Open title.
Steffi regained the number 1 ranking again - which she has held ever since.
6th July 1995 - Steffi won her 750th match defeating Jana Novotna 5-7,6-4,6-2 in the semi-finals of Wimbledon.
8th July 1995 - Steffi defeated Arantxa Sanchez Vicario 4-6,6-1,7-5 to claim her 6th Wimbledon title. This match featured a titanic 11th game of the third set that featured 32 points, 13 deuces, 8 game points for Arantxa, 6 break points for Steffi, 1 ace (Arantxa) and no double faults. It lasted 20 minutes and Steffi won it. Very possibly one of the finest matches ever played.
15th August 1995 - Steffi and Monica Seles to share the number 1 ranking for a period.
9th September 1995 - Steffi defeated Monica Seles 7-6(8-6),0-6,6-3 in the final of the U.S. Open. This match was the first ever match between two co-number 1 players. Steffi's 4th U.S. Open title. This was Steffi's 18th Grand Slam title - tying Martina Navratilova and Chris Evert.
8th October 1995 - Steffi reached the 300 week mark as number 1 player in the world.
20th November 1995 - Steffi defeated Anke Huber in a thrilling five set final at the Masters (Corel WTA Tour Championships) 6-1,2-6,6-1,4-6,6-3. This was Steffi's first five set match.
30th March 1996 - Steffi became the only player, man or woman, to win a fifth Lipton title and the only player, man or woman, to have won three Lipton tiles in succession. She defeated Chanda Rubin 6-1,6-3.
13th May 1996 - Steffi became the player, either male or female, who has been number one in the world the
l o n g e s t. On this day, Steffi had been number 1 for a total of 332 weeks - over 6 years.
8th June 1996 - Steffi won her 5th French Open Championship defeating Arantxa Sanchez Vicario 6-3,6-7(4)10-8. This victory was considered by Steffi to be one of her greatest. Twice in the final set, Sanchez Vicario was broken by Steffi as she served for the Championship. This title gave her 19 career Grand Slam titles, moving her ahead of Chris Evert and Martina Navratilova and tying Helen Wills Moody.
6th July 1996 - Steffi won her 7th Wimbledon Championship by defeating Arantxa Sanchez Vicario 6-3,7-5. She moved into sole second place with 20 Grand Slam titles ahead of Helen Wills Moody. This win also marked Steffi's 100th career title.
13th July 1996 - Steffi won her 800th career singles match 6-1,3-6,6-2 against Judith Wiesner.
8th September 1996 - Steffi won her 5th US Open Championship, defeating Monica Seles 7-5,6-4. Steffi's 21st Grand Slam title. The second year in succession that Steffi has won all the Grand Slam events she has played in.
16th September 1996 - Steffi marks 350th week as world number one.
5th October 1996 - Steffi has to default a match in Leipzig against Anke Huber, marking only the second time in her career that she has had to withdraw from a tournament when it was already in progress. The first time was in November 1983 against Liz Smylie at the Australian Open.
24th November 1996 - Steffi won her fifth Masters title defeating Martina Hingis is a five set match - 6-3,4-6,6-0,4-6,6-0
23rd December 1996 - Steffi marked her seventh year (364th week) as the number one ranked player on the planet.
1st January 1997 - Steffi was named the 1996 World Champion by the International Tennis Federation - this for the seventh time which is a world record.
17th January 1997 - Steffi won her 45th consecutive Grand Slam match which tied the record with Martina Navratilova.
2nd February 1997 - Owing to a patella tendon injury in her left knee, Steffi had to default the final in Tokyo to Hingis and started a prolonged injury break.
19th March 1997 - Steffi was elected WTA Player of The Year by her peers for the eighth time in her career and a record eighth time in ten years. She was also elected the Most Exciting Player by tennis fans.
31st March 1997 - Steffi slipped to number 2 in the rankings, after not being able to defend 1996 points due to injury. She had been number 1 for a record 377 weeks.
12th May 1997 - Steffi returned to the Tour after her second longest period of injury.
16th May 1997 - Steffi lost to Amanda Coetzer 0-6, 1-6 in Berlin - her worst match ever.
9th June 1997 - Steffi slipped to ranking position #3 - the first time since March 1987 that she has not been ranked either #1 or #2.
10th June 1997 - Steffi Graf had a second operation on her left knee and started another prolonged injury break.
16th February 1998 - Steffi Graf returns to tennis in Hannover at the Faber Grand Prix after her longest layoff lasting eight months. She plays a doubles match with Barbara Rittner and they defeat Meike Babel and Wiltrud Probst 6-3,6-1.
10th March 1998 - Steffi Graf moved past Virginia Wade on the career wins list notching up win number 840 and taking position 3 after Martina Navratilova and Chris Evert.
12th March 1998 - Steffi injured her left hamstring in a match v. Lindsay Davenport at Indian Wells, defaulting the match. This injury led to an injury in her right ankle while practising on another comeback attempt.
4th May 1998 - In an interview in Focus, a German newsmagazine, Steffi admits that she may have to retire. She forgoes any attempt at a return to the clay court season and decides to try for Wimbledon instead.
8th June 1998 - Steffi dropped off the singles rankings as she no longer had played the required minimum of three tournaments in the past twelve months to have a ranking.
10th June 1998 - Steffi returns to the Tour in Birmingham on grass. She defeated her friend Rennae Stubbs 5-7, 6-2, 6-4.
18th June 1998 - Steffi lost her 100th career match and it took nearly 16 years!. That's an amazingly low average of just 6.5 losses a year. The match was against Anna Kournikova and the score was 6-7(4), 6-3, 6-4 to Kournikova.
29th August 1998 - Steffi plays in her first final since May 1997 and wins it 6-4, 6-1 against Jana Novotna. This marks her 104th career title and the 13th year in succession where Steffi has won at least one title.
7th November 1998 - Steffi Graf became the player who has earned more money than any other female athlete ever bypassing Martina Navratilova.
8th November 1998 - After all the injury problems of 1997 and 1998, Steffi won her 105th career title defeating Nathalie Tauziat in the final of the Sparkassen Cup 6-3, 6-4.
November 1998 - Steffi followed her tournament win in Leipzig with another one in Philadelphia, but what made this month so memorable was that in the space of five days she defeated the top three ranked players - Davenport (1), Hingis (2) and Novotna (3). Then to ice that cake, she also defeated two other top ten players Monica Seles (6) and Nathalie Tauziat (9) to finish a spectacular two weeks. Defeating the top three players in five days has never been done before by one player - Graf set another mark. This mark was even more special in that there were three players currently or formerly ranked at number 1 in this streak.
11th May 1999 - Steffi played her 1000th game and defeated Sandra Nacuk of Yugoslavia 2-6, 6-3, 6-4. Aptly, it happened in Berlin.
5th June 1999 - After a drought since September 1996, Steffi won her 22nd Grand Slam title, her 6th French Open title by defeating Martina Hingis 4-6, 7-5, 6-2. Steffi did this at age 29 years, 356 days. On the way to the title, Steffi defeated the number 3 player (Seles), the number 2 player (Davenport) and the number 1 player (Hingis) in consecutive matches. This was the first time this has been done in a Grand Slam. Steffi announced that this was her last match at Roland Garros.
28th June 1999 - Steffi won her 900th career match against Clijsters in the round of 16 at Wimbledon.
4th July 1999 - Steffi lost to Davenport in the final of The Championships 4-6, 5-7. She announced that this was her last match at Wimbledon.
13th August 1999 - Steffi announced her retirement from tennis.
11th July 2004 - Stefanie inducted into the International Tennis Hall of Fame in Newport, Rhode Island, USA.

These records are more than Serena will ever do & only Chris Evert & Martina N & Margaret Court & Maybe Seles & BJ King both great champs too are worthy of the title best ever...Serena is great but has a long way way to be the best ever To Me Steffi is far & away the best ever:)
Jenny & Monica & Hingis come back strong & Kim & Justine too & Davenport youre still #1:) :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :wavey: :wavey: :wavey: :wavey: :wavey: :worship: :worship: :worship: :worship: :) :) :) :) :) :D

Ryan
Jan 31st, 2005, 03:22 AM
:yawn: I usually like your posts 'the cat', but this one is borderline groveling. Serena's forehand is a weakness sometimes. So is her serve. Personally I'd take Graf's game, and her backhand was not as great a weakness as you seem to think.

OUT!
Jan 31st, 2005, 10:20 AM
One of the greatest for sure ;)

SJW
Jan 31st, 2005, 05:43 PM
how can Henin be greater than Serena? :retard: Serena owns her and is 7 slams compared to 3

Steffi Graf is the greatest women's player i've seen i think. Serena is just the most awesome...ain't no shame in that, i'll take it :bounce:

jj74
Jan 31st, 2005, 05:59 PM
:yawn: I usually like your posts 'the cat', but this one is borderline groveling. Serena's forehand is a weakness sometimes. So is her serve. Personally I'd take Graf's game, and her backhand was not as great a weakness as you seem to think.

In fact Graf backhand was a great weapon, a defensive weapon, most of the player had problems with her backhand, and she usually prepare the point with her backhand and then make the winner with her fantastic forehand

Dawn Marie
Feb 1st, 2005, 02:23 AM
Omg the fact that Steffie is even mentioned in here is a true fact that Serena Williams is ONE of the best tennis players to have ever played the game.:)

hiya Cat:)

kabuki
Feb 1st, 2005, 02:27 AM
I got the kiddies' attention now, don't I, Your Impurity?

My point is: I think Justine is the best player ever. If only Pureracket would have answered with arguments, and with a minimum amount of curteousness, instead of insisting I don't come here if I don't agree with the title, we could have avoided this ehrm debate.

Then again I'd have missed a lot of fun kickin' some typically rude yankee butt.

http://espn.starwave.com/i/tennis/profiles/players/henin.jpg

:lol: You've got problems. :lol:

Oops. Already banned, huh? :lol:

T-T
Mar 30th, 2005, 03:22 PM
Oops. Already banned, huh? :lol:

The fact that I got banned for several months for no reason except disagreeing with teenage frustrates only shows how ridiculous Serena fans can get.

SelesFan70
Mar 30th, 2005, 03:41 PM
Serena's not the greatest "tennis player" I've ever seen, but she's a great fighter and hates to lose-both markings of a champion. She is a shoe-in for the tennis Hall of Fame, this much we can ALL agree on, no? :shrug:

T-T
Mar 30th, 2005, 03:45 PM
Sure, as long as I'm allowed to say Justine is the greates tennis player ever seen. Without getting banned by colluding yank jerks.

kiwifan
Mar 30th, 2005, 04:07 PM
PS. Monica was a better tennis player than Graf...end of story. :)

We all know why the record books don't support the statement above. :sad:

SJW
Mar 30th, 2005, 04:37 PM
Sure, as long as I'm allowed to say Justine is the greates tennis player ever seen. Without getting banned by colluding yank jerks.

i'd ban you...and im not a yank so its not just them who dislike you :)

ys
Mar 30th, 2005, 06:04 PM
Serena is not the greatest woman's tennis player. Period. At her best she was an awesome tennis player, but her game has never been as aesthetically attractive as one of other greats. And in 80s, when unable to use a racket with a head size of a car tire, she would be rather a mediocre player.. Because as one great player said, Williams sisters have no technique whatsoever..

harloo
Mar 30th, 2005, 06:11 PM
Serena is not the greatest woman's tennis player. Period. At her best she was an awesome tennis player, but her game has never been as aesthetically attractive as one of other greats. And in 80s, when unable to use a racket with a head size of a car tire, she would be rather a mediocre player.. Because as one great player said, Williams sisters have no technique whatsoever..

Give it up ys. You just salivate at the mention of anything Williams.:lol:

SJW
Mar 30th, 2005, 06:16 PM
Serena is not the greatest woman's tennis player. Period. At her best she was an awesome tennis player, but her game has never been as aesthetically attractive as one of other greats. And in 80s, when unable to use a racket with a head size of a car tire, she would be rather a mediocre player.. Because as one great player said, Williams sisters have no technique whatsoever..


so what do they have? no technique but still the most successful (seriously) active players...the talents of those damn girls are endless :cool:

Julia1968
Mar 30th, 2005, 06:20 PM
so what do they have? no technique but still the most successful (seriously) active players...the talents of those damn girls are endless :cool:

The most successful active WTA players are Martina Navratilova and Monica Seles (no official retirement announcement yet). With the younger players like Sharapova catching fire so young, there is no telling who will be the best from this generation.

One thing is for sure, this generation of WTA players aren't as dominate as their predecessors.

Well, give Maria a little time.

SJW
Mar 30th, 2005, 06:22 PM
Monica hasn't been active for a while now (unfortunately)...Nav is not SERIOUSLY active. ok? ok.

ys
Mar 30th, 2005, 06:23 PM
so what do they have? no technique but still the most successful (seriously) active players...the talents of those damn girls are endless :cool:

Sure, Serena is third ( or maybe, if you want to flatter her, second ) tier of all time greats.. We are just in a gap between the times when the greats of higher tiers are active.. there are no graf or navratilova or court or connoly active right now.

Pengwin
Mar 30th, 2005, 06:23 PM
Serena is in my opinion the most mentally tough player of all time and the player with the greatest serve of any woman by a long way.

She should dominate if injuries go her way :worship:

SJW
Mar 30th, 2005, 06:23 PM
Sure, they are third ( or maybe, if you want to flatter them, second ) tier all time greats.. We are just in a gap between the times when the greats of higher tiers are active.. there are no graf or navratilova or court or connoly active right now.

second tier is justified i believe. but they're still "greats" :)

ys
Mar 30th, 2005, 06:26 PM
second tier is justified i believe. but they're still "greats" :)

yes, Serena is one of all time greats ( not a Top Tier great, but great ).. Venus is closer to just one of her generation greats - she is not far above others like her - Hingis, Davenport, Capriati, Henin.. Serena is head and shoulders above this group.

SJW
Mar 30th, 2005, 06:27 PM
yes, Serena is one of all time greats ( not a Top Tier great, but great ).. Venus is closer to just one of her generation greats - she is not far above others like her - Hingis, Davenport, Capriati, Henin.. Serena is head and shoulders above this group.

are you becoming soft in your old age? :angel:

ys
Mar 30th, 2005, 06:28 PM
are you becoming soft in your old age? :angel:

No. I am just as objective and non-biased as I always am. ;)

Julia1968
Mar 30th, 2005, 06:29 PM
Monica hasn't been active for a while now (unfortunately)...Nav is not SERIOUSLY active. ok? ok.

The last time I looked at the WTA website, Martina Navratilova has a doubles ranking, which would indeed make her an active WTA member.

Monica has been planning her comeback for two years, and hasn't announced retirement.

From a historical perspective, I'm sure you would like to be able totally erase your memory of Navratilova's accomplishments, however, no one in the WTA today holds a candle to Navratilova's dedication to the sport of tennis.

Pureracket
Mar 30th, 2005, 06:29 PM
yes, Serena is one of all time greats ( not a Top Tier great, but great ).. Venus is closer to just one of her generation greats - she is not far above others like her - Hingis, Davenport, Capriati, Henin.. Serena is head and shoulders above this group.Impersonator!!!!!!!!!!!!:eek:

SJW
Mar 30th, 2005, 06:30 PM
No. I am just as objective and non-biased as I always am. ;)

sure :lol:

i like it though :hearts:;)

creep
Mar 30th, 2005, 06:31 PM
The last time I looked at the WTA website, Martina Navratilova has a doubles ranking, which would indeed make her an active WTA member.

Monica has been planning her comeback for two years, and hasn't announced retirement.

From a historical perspective, I'm sure you would like to be able totally erase your memory of Navratilova's accomplishments, however, no one in the WTA today holds a candle to Navratilova's dedication to the sport of tennis.

LOL @ the signature.

For me Steffi and Martina are the best players I have ever seen. How good Monica could have been we'll never know.
As for Serena, well her record speaks for itself. :)

G1Player2
Mar 30th, 2005, 08:06 PM
Serena is not the greatest woman's tennis player. Period. At her best she was an awesome tennis player, but her game has never been as aesthetically attractive as one of other greats. And in 80s, when unable to use a racket with a head size of a car tire, she would be rather a mediocre player.. Because as one great player said, Williams sisters have no technique whatsoever..

People use to jump on Monica Seles's technique and Steffi Graf's forehand technique and saying it was "unorthodox." Her forehand still remains the sports great shots:rolleyes:

CanIGetAWhat
Jan 27th, 2007, 06:02 AM
Good thread. Serena, too, is the GREATEST play I have ever seen. ;)

Becool
Jan 27th, 2007, 08:39 AM
Yeah, she is the best tennis player ever ;)

JenCpLvr
Jan 27th, 2007, 08:43 AM
Disagree profusely.

Best ever = consistent in game, consistent in wins, solid serve, solid backhand, forehand and again, most importantly CONSISTENT.

Serena has showed flashes of 'one' of the best ever, but not enough to deem her that. Not even close.

Becool
Jan 27th, 2007, 08:46 AM
DONT even start on that..

even navratilova, graf, evert, whoever u name, had bad losses in their career... no one is that consistent..

SIN DIOS NI LEY
Jan 27th, 2007, 08:55 AM
I like Serena but I don´t think that you are the best tennis player in the history with only 27 titles .

JenCpLvr
Jan 27th, 2007, 08:56 AM
DONT even start on that..

even navratilova, graf, evert, whoever u name, had bad losses in their career... no one is that consistent..

Sure they did, but none of them were ever questioned on their devotion to the game and none of them went on droughts as long as Serena tends too.
They were more thorough, complete players hands down.

Mr.Kardashian
Jan 27th, 2007, 09:00 AM
i dont know if serena is the best player in the history of the game but i do know that she is one of the best. she helped change the womens game and at her best, noone can beat her

Mina Vagante
Jan 27th, 2007, 09:03 AM
Best Player Ever

pancake
Jan 27th, 2007, 09:04 AM
I would rather say ONE of the best.

Calypso
Jan 27th, 2007, 09:31 AM
Greatest? No. The numbers don't support her, the other contenders had a more sustained period of dominance. For whatever reason (off court distractions, injuries etc), Serena's career has been interrupted far too many times. Is she the most devastating player ever when her power game is 'on'? Her best tennis, the whole package, would beat the best of any other woman that ever swung a racket.

serena_anna
Jan 27th, 2007, 09:46 AM
she's one of the best...a great champion:)

Seenus
Jan 27th, 2007, 10:27 AM
"Cat" you are "my dog"

the cat
Jan 27th, 2007, 04:20 PM
I was wondering if this thread of mine I started in 2002 would get bumped today. ;) And rightfully so after Serena Williams played the greatest match of her career in dismantling Maria Sharapova 6-1 6-2 in the 2007 Australian Open final. :eek: All credit to Serena who played incredible tennis and like she was on a mission. :D

Part of me is happy for Serena because she's been though alot on and off the court in recent years. :) But I am hurting for Maria because she's my favorite tennis player and she got whipped on the big stage by Serena in a mind boggling fashion. :eek: :smash: :bigcry: I hope Masha can easily recover from this but I'm not so sure because I don't think Maria is nearly as mentally tough as Mary Jo Fernazdez and Tracy Austin make her out to be.

Thanks Seenus. :cat: :dog: ;)

Calypso, while the numbers don't support Serena Williams as greatest female tennis player of all time, her incredible performance against a termendous opponent in Maria Sharapova in the 2007 Australian Open final reasures me that when Serena plays her best tennis she's the best female tennis player I have ever seen. :clap2: And that's why I created this thread to begin with. I don't think any of the all time greats in women's tennis history would have beaten Serena yesterday. That doesn't mean Serena is the greatest women's tennis player of all time. It's just means Serena at her best is the greatest player I've even seen in women's tennis. :worship:

ce
Jan 27th, 2007, 04:22 PM
since i started watching(2002),SHE IS.i cant tell for others

trufanjay
Jan 27th, 2007, 04:31 PM
Obviously she's not the most accomplished as many people would like this to be about. But as far as what she can bring to the tennis court. Yes, she is the best.