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CellJr300
Sep 4th, 2002, 02:37 AM
I was just wondering why the Australian Open seems to be given little respect. Whenever I hear the commentators talking they rave about people winning the French, Wimbledon, or US Open, and sometimes fail to even mention the Australian. Where does this lack of respect come from, last time I checked it was still a slam, which makes it one of the 4 biggest tournaments in tennis. In another thread on this board someone (can't remember who) surmised that even if a player were to win the Australian it wouldn't mean much, because it is onlt "the Australian."


Just Wondering?

2284
Sep 4th, 2002, 02:47 AM
The media thing has nothing to do with respect for the tournament...it's just not talked about as much because Capriati (not a Williams sister) and Johansson (who hasn't done well since)won the Aus. Open

CellJr300
Sep 4th, 2002, 02:51 AM
No, even in Capriati's case when they mention her win they usually say well she only won the Australian, like it doesn't matter, and one of the commentators said that the US Open is the tournament with the most dramatic matches, followed closely by the French and Wimbledon, no mention of Australian.

2284
Sep 4th, 2002, 02:52 AM
Whatever, they're full of shit

CellJr300
Sep 4th, 2002, 02:55 AM
I think they are to, I was just trying to find out if there was any reason for them to be thinking like that.

2284
Sep 4th, 2002, 02:58 AM
No, it's a great tournament. The players love the facilities and the fact that they don't get stuck in traffic jams on the way to their matches

DutchieGirl
Sep 4th, 2002, 03:54 AM
actually, if they are American commentators, maybe they haven't seen many of the matches, coz it's night time in the US when the AO is on... so maybe that's why they don't like it/don't mention it? Coz it's too annoying for them to actually stay up and watch any of tha matches, unless they are actually in Australia while it's on. (Which I'm guessing not all US commentators would be in Australia for the USO).

But I'm not sure why the AO is disrespected so much. It sucks pretty much that it is disrespected. But then I guess also, a few of the top players often elect to miss AUstralia because it's the start of the year, and such a long way to travel, so maybe that's why the commentators say it's "only" the AO...

MinskLynx
Sep 4th, 2002, 03:55 AM
Tanner will win the Oz too.

bobcat
Sep 4th, 2002, 04:39 AM
AO isn't as "presitigious" because it doesn't have the history of great champions that the other slams do. For a long time the top players only played Wimbledon and US Champs, so nearly all of the all-time great players have won those 2 tournaments. Check the history of the AO and you will find that a lot of the great players in history never bothered playing the AO. (Remember that air travel back then wasn't what it is today, and that most players didn't make a lot of money, so making the trip down there was difficult.)

The FO started getting all the top players in the early 80's and the AO in the late 80's, which is why many older players consider these 2 tournaments somewhat less prestigious. It may change sometime in the future, but not for some time.

2284
Sep 4th, 2002, 05:40 AM
Originally posted by inkyfan
actually, if they are American commentators, maybe they haven't seen many of the matches, coz it's night time in the US when the AO is on... so maybe that's why they don't like it/don't mention it? Coz it's too annoying for them to actually stay up and watch any of tha matches, unless they are actually in Australia while it's on. (Which I'm guessing not all US commentators would be in Australia for the USO).


I doubt it. I've been staying up all night to watch the US, so i'm sure that they watch at least some of the Aus. Open...and as for the thing where someone said the Aus. Open is not entertaining, what do you call the Capriati-Clijsters semi-final? (for those of you who didn't see it, it was basically a repeat of the 2001 French Open final, but played on hard court rather than clay)

Irish
Sep 4th, 2002, 05:51 AM
We love the Australian Open in the U.S.. :hearts:

2284
Sep 4th, 2002, 05:53 AM
:) I'm going to try to get finals tickets for next year

kiwifan
Sep 4th, 2002, 05:56 AM
Back when I first started following tennis (the ancient '70's) the Aussie Open wasn't as big a deal, it was commonly skipped by top players.

I actually only became aware of it when I saw a graphic in a tennis magazine that listed the slam results since the "Open Era" began. That was when I realized it was a "big deal". It really only became a big deal when they moved it to the beginning of the year (you can't win the "Grand Slam" without playing in Australia first as opposed to "oh well, I didn't win the other 3 so why bother going to Australia).

The point about advances in air travel is a good one too.

As for Yanks not watching because of the time difference, I watched the entire World Cup Live (and sometimes in Spanish).

A "tennis person" is going to watch!

I was in Argentina for a rugby tournament when JCap won her first one, when it was time to watch, I found a place to watch.

2284
Sep 4th, 2002, 06:01 AM
I have watched the Australian Open every year of my life. I live in Melbourne, so I've been to quite a lot of matches too

Doublebackhand
Sep 4th, 2002, 07:27 AM
aside from short history, the surface it was played on also mattered a bit, i think.
i mean, the other 3 sort of represent the ultimate tournament for its surface, clay-court kings have to win the french to claim that title, sampras and navratilova were almost invincible on grass in the prime; the williams' sisters are the best hard courters...
then the AO has an embarassing surface, not much of a season leading up into it and great players arent at their peak so early in the season, making competition a little less intense.

Buitenzorg
Sep 4th, 2002, 07:36 AM
In fact The AUSTRALIAN Open is The Best Grand Slam ever!

WE don't need to worry about rain! UNLIKE The other GS events! :p

Buitenzorg
Sep 4th, 2002, 07:38 AM
Originally posted by Irish
We love the Australian Open in the U.S.. :hearts:


The other way around perhaps!...US, Wimbledon & French OPEN better held at Melbourne Park Australia!

BrianII
Sep 4th, 2002, 07:49 AM
kiwifan thats so true ....I remember times borg didn't go down to Australia because he couldn't win The US open and the Connors and Mac wouldn't go cos borg was not going to be there.

Canek
Sep 4th, 2002, 08:59 AM
Ausopen is my Favorite Grandslam:wavey:
the crowd is more educated and friendly than in London, Paris and especially New York;)

seibzhen
Sep 4th, 2002, 10:35 AM
Perhaps it is because the Australian Open is not as prestigious as the other grandslams that so many players love it.

Sam L
Sep 4th, 2002, 12:07 PM
Well I wouldn't say it doesn't matter because it is a slam and everybody does want it. But it is the least prestigious slam out of them all, I have to admit. Due to its history, distance from the rest of the world and the time it's held.

AUSBOY
Sep 4th, 2002, 02:00 PM
The players vote the Australia Open as the best grand slam, as the facilities, hospilatility is by far the best! However the Australian Open isnt as prestigious as the French or Wimbledon!

I wouldnt put US Open in the prestigious league, its on equal par with the Australian Open. You Yanks just think its better as all the Yank commentators talk it up!

I've been to 3 out of the 4 Slams so I can tell you that Wimbledon and French Open are soooooooo far behind the times with everything, no wonder the players don't enjoy playing there as much!

Sam L
Sep 4th, 2002, 02:04 PM
AUSBOY, the US Open is much more prestigious than the Australian Open for sure, if it isn't for other reasons than for these:

1. Money
2. History
3. New York

-Sonic-
Sep 4th, 2002, 02:13 PM
all slams are equal in my humble opinion. past records of players missing the event are no more, and any that do miss it, miss it at their peril cos its huuuuuuge.

also pratt and molik are cool :p

CellJr300
Sep 4th, 2002, 02:18 PM
Just to throw some more wood on the fire, during the Haas-Sampras match yesterday they were talking about Haas not having gone far in any of the important Slams, and said something alnong the lines of how he had good results at the Australian, but you need good results at the other Slams to be taken seriously.

The problem I have with that statement is that we are no longer in the old days where players would skip the Australian. Nowadays every good player is at every Slam, so why should his results at the Australian be viewed differently than his results at the other slams.

TeeRexx
Sep 4th, 2002, 02:36 PM
Oz not very popular, umm, let's see:

1. killer sharks at the beach
2. killer crocks by the fishing holes
3. killer wild dingos
4. roos that will punch your lights out
5. fly infestations (2000 Olympics)
6. killer heat that almost killed Marti and a few spectators.
7. mosquito infestations
8. the top 10 most venomous snakes in the world
9. the most venomous spiders in the world
10 women that can outdrink every sailor on earth.

That's possibly why Oz is ranked low and should be moved to the U.S., preferably Hollywood, for a 2nd slam on U.S. soil :)

Sam L
Sep 4th, 2002, 02:40 PM
TeeRexx: sharks, crocodiles, dingoes, roos, flies, mosquitos, snakes and spiders are all LOVELY creatures. Leave the animals out of this ;)

BTW it was MOTHS at the Olympics not flies :)

TeeRexx
Sep 4th, 2002, 02:46 PM
SamL - I believe they were fklies because VENUS almost swalloed one of those critters. :)

Oh yeah, rabbit infestations as well. LOL

-Sonic-
Sep 4th, 2002, 03:01 PM
but the US Open has Americans and American Networks,
Wimbledon has British people and the British press,
The French Open has French people and the boo brigade,

The Australian Open sooooooooo wins.

-Sonic-
Sep 4th, 2002, 03:01 PM
they have blokes that dress up in mary pierce dresses - it so rules!

Legends
Sep 4th, 2002, 03:23 PM
TeeRex if i was australian I would probably have taken offence at your post. seeing as i am not :angel:




ROFLMAO



too funny



just, too damn funny
:D

Experimentee
Sep 4th, 2002, 03:28 PM
Some of the best matches i've seen have been at the Australian Open. Also its good that we never get behind because of the rain. The people who think its not as good as the rest are just talking bullshit, i think its up there with the rest. I actually enjoy it more than Wimbledon.

griffin
Sep 4th, 2002, 03:36 PM
Originally posted by TeeRexx
Oz not very popular, umm, let's see:
...

10 women that can outdrink every sailor on earth.



This is a bad thing? (I suppose it could be embarassing for the sailors)

Aylafr
Sep 4th, 2002, 03:40 PM
Indeed. However, I"'m not sure I would love these women and this must be why Oz is not popular.

Aylafr
Sep 4th, 2002, 03:40 PM
Oh and TAG, BTW ;) :p

Aloysius
Sep 4th, 2002, 03:46 PM
Xenophobia.

eshell
Sep 4th, 2002, 04:01 PM
You tennis historians will remember this too: originally, the AUS Open was the last slam played not the first. If I remember correctly, it was held in Nov or Dec.

In the mid 80s, The Aussie Open moved to the beginning of the year and made a big push to upgrade facilities.

I distinctly remember, though, that many professionals did not hold the Aus Open in high esteem until recently. (within the last 15 years or so).

Beige
Sep 4th, 2002, 04:15 PM
I think all tennis fans have noticed that the AO is low person on the totem pole and that's too bad but it's the reality. There are a few reasons for it:

1. It's the Slam players will occasionally skip (or at least they have in the past) because it's so early in the season.

2. There's nothing really distinct about the AO. FO has Paris allure and red clay, Wimby has tradition and the USO is in NYC. But Oz is far away, Melbourne is a bit generic and the time zone unfortunately bothers some people who live closer to GMT.

3. There's no build-up to the AO as there is for the other Slams. Two weeks of tune-ups and then it's on.

To the Aussies: Hope you're not offended; I didn't mean it that way. Just stating what I believe to be factual.

Jem
Sep 4th, 2002, 04:38 PM
Personally, I think the Australian is on par with the rest of the Grand Slams now, although the money isn't quite as good. I think what gives the Slam some of its prestige now is the fact that it occurs so early in the season. Those players who train hard in the off season have a real chance to shine.

But certainly you have to admit that the Australian was a second-rate tournament in the 1970s. Truthfully, Wimbledon and the U.S. Open were the big tournaments back then. Players from the Borg-Evert-McEnroe-Connors era hardly ever played the Australian, because they didn't consider it a big deal. In fact, I don't think Borg ever played the Australian, unless it was very, very early in his career, and McEnroe only played it once or twice when it was on grass.

AUSBOY
Sep 4th, 2002, 06:31 PM
Actually the Australian Open in the last few years has generally had the highest cut off of all the slams! This year we had all the top 100 men. The main reason for this is that it is in the start of the year therefore players are fresh and not injured!

As the season continues more players get injured etc. so therefore withdrawals are actually more common at the other 3 slams!

Wimbledon probably has the most withdrawals, not due to injuries but due to the fact that a lot of the top male claycourters dont like to play on stuff cows eat!

Also the Australian Open has the best facilties, It is the cheapest slam for fans, costing US$10 for a ground pass!

I repeat that the French Open and Wimbledon are streaks ahead in terms of history. The are still played at their original venues!

The US Open, like Australian Open has changed locations in the last 35 years too!

I can tell you know that no-one outside of America really sees the US Open as a Grand Slam as prestigious as Wimbledon and French Open.

And to say that New York is a more amazing city than Melbourne is ridiculous! Also of course American Commentators are going to try and demoralise all the other slams, especially the Australian as its played on a similar surface

AUSBOY
Sep 4th, 2002, 06:37 PM
I forgot to say that its common knowledge that Australia's Sports Events are run better than America. Just looked at the Olympics!

Juan Antonio Samarin said in the closing ceremony that the 2000 were the most spectacularly run Olympics ever!

Beige
Sep 4th, 2002, 06:47 PM
No disrespect, Ausboy, but Melbourne looks rather generic on TV (Sydney's only saved by its opera house, wink). Melbourne can pass for quite a few major American cities like Baltimore. It even could pass for Toronto. Melbourne just doesn't have a distinct quality about it like Paris and NYC.

I disagree about the AO being on par with the US Open. In my experience as a tennis fan, Wimbledon and the US Open have always been the more highly regarded of the 4 slams.

Rollo
Sep 4th, 2002, 07:19 PM
If anyone is interested in what kinds of fields the Aussie had, dates played(it was held late in the year only a few times) and comments, I can suggest you go to "Blast From the Past" forum here at wtaworld:) Once there, go to "Grand Slam results" at the top of the page, then click on the
Australian Open thread.

Me, Brian Stewart, and Way are trying to get all grand slam results, so if you are interested in helping let us know!

Rollo
Sep 4th, 2002, 07:26 PM
I'd rate the Aussie an equal to the US Open. From 1988 Oz has had facilities that are better than any slam, a 128 draw (the max before Flinders Park was 64)and quality fields for the most part. Lord knows it's better run than the Open, and I hate to admit it as I'm American.

LOL@ Tee Rexx with all the dangerous animals Down Under. You're average New Yorker is probably as dangerous as the lot of them combined! ;)

kiwifan
Sep 4th, 2002, 07:28 PM
Originally posted by AUSBOY
I forgot to say that its common knowledge that Australia's Sports Events are run better than America. Just looked at the Olympics!

Juan Antonio Samarin said in the closing ceremony that the 2000 were the most spectacularly run Olympics ever!

He says that after every games (except Atlanta because of the bombing incident - I worked for the Olympics during the Atlanta games).

I've been to Melbourne and Sydney and they are both nice places but Melbourne has a bit of an inferiority complex (a big "Sydney chip" on thier shoulders).

The city center during the Lions Rugby tour was great fun.

Sydney is just a fun place to party. Possibly the friendliest Anglos on Earth (people just walk up and talk to you about anything w/o American attitude - which I have too so I'm not just Yank-bashing - or Brit stuffiness - Irish are exempt from that stereotyping).

Strange attitude to life though. Pretend to not really care about anything ("No worries Mate, have a VB!") but give the impression that they are "keeping score" and work hard when no one's looking.

Where they give away that secret is when it comes to sports. They "cook the hell out of the books" when it comes to any international competition. In the papers, if they come in first place it's "Were #1!".
If they finish in the middle, they will find whatever stat makes them the best and then say "We're #1 per-capita" or "We're #1 in the Commonwealth!" or "We're #1 in the Pacific!" etc.

I generally love their attitude (even though I am much more a "Kiwifan"). Except with the Ben Tune thing.

Bottom line neither city is NYC, Paris, etc. but Aussies are more than justified in their civic pride, I'll probably visit again as soon as next year.

Aussie Open is currently an equal among 4 equals in tennis grand slams.

Any dissing of the AO I have done is meant to establish why there is a perception of inferiority (reality in the past). It is obviously the most modern and has the best facilities now.

They need to invent a new surface to add to the distinction of the AO (can you make a glass surface?)

AUSBOY
Sep 5th, 2002, 06:22 AM
LOL @ Beige

'No disrespect, Ausboy, but Melbourne looks rather generic on TV (Sydney's only saved by its opera house, wink). Melbourne can pass for quite a few major American cities like Baltimore. It even could pass for Toronto. Melbourne just doesn't have a distinct quality about it like Paris and NYC.

What has the look of a city got to do with the Prestigiousness of a Grand Slam???????

Anyway if your judging qualities of cities then maybe you need to look at the people that live there. New Yorkers aren't very hospitable people, they keep to themselves a lot except when they are mugging you!


"I disagree about the AO being on par with the US Open. In my experience as a tennis fan, Wimbledon and the US Open have always been the more highly regarded of the 4 slams."

US Open more highly regarded than French, you have got to be joking!!!

Truth is the Americans are laughed at outside America! The Americans always try to hard to have the biggest and the best of everything, I mean look at Arthur Ashe Stadium, what a joke, what a waste of money. It is the dumbest stadium I've ever seen, whoever developed had no brain! Flushing Meadows has what, been in existence 35 years? Before that the US Open was where? At least the Australian Open is only 4km's away from its Original site at Kooyong!

French and Wimbledon are seen by all the players as the most difficult slams to win. Australian Open is the most enjoyed slam by the players and also attracts the largest crowds of any of the slams breaking the record last year!

What does the Us Open have that the players like?

Tell me? The players hate the crowd, the people of the city etc. They hate the facilities and the noise of planes going over every few minutes. What exactly is good about the Open????
No one has even been able to come up with anything that the US Open is superior in. I think its the most poorly appreciated slam by the players other than the American players who do there best to try and promote it as a good slam

kiwifan
Sep 5th, 2002, 06:42 AM
So do more retired (non-American/non-Australians) tennis players end up settling down in the metropolitan NY area or the metropolitan Sydney/Melbourne areas?

I think your xenophobia is getting the best of you.

Many of the most successful people of the world who can live anywhere choose NY and my current town, LA over every other place in the world.

I used to hang on the upper East side (91st & 2nd and south) and you will never see more affluent educated normal people smiling and having a good time. New York has so many levels, you don't even have to look that hard.

If you have an open mind.

Sure you might get a little attitude every now and then, but the big city isn't for everyone.

Don't hate the city or the Open.

There's enough tennis "prestige" to go around

AjdeNate!
Sep 5th, 2002, 06:48 AM
I love the Aussie Open. I love Roland Garros. I love Wimbledon. I love the US Open. I just love tennis, and don't care where it's being played. :)

Serenus
Sep 5th, 2002, 06:54 AM
I think Aus Open is the lowest in class because Martina Hingis won there like 3 times in a row, in which the only one she had a chance at winning for the fact that it's a rebound surface. During the time that time, people have already de-throwned her as #1 in the world, so it made the Aus Open looked bad. The biggest reason is that most player don't seem to care playing at the Aus Open and don't put much effort into preparing for it, so Martina Hing-is-over takes advantage of it. Besides, all the big babes need time to load up their powers unlike Martina who has none, so she is more prepared.

AjdeNate!
Sep 5th, 2002, 06:59 AM
I really don't think Hingis has anything to do with. That's a whole lot of credit to give one player. Besides, it's not like she was the only one in the Top 20 that played. I remember her beating Venus & Serena back to back.....she's beaten Monica there... So, I really don't think your point holds up.

Canek
Sep 5th, 2002, 07:14 AM
well said Seles, is really ridiculous how the hate to Hingis from some "williams fans" is used to bash anything related with her. :rolleyes:
Yes in Melbourne, Australia (my fave slam), marti have beaten Serena and Venus back to back:p

back in the topic: "if you want to win the "GRAND SLAM" hey, guys, you need to play and to win the four tournaments, starting by Australia;) so please say me, is important the oz open, yes or not?;)

AjdeNate!
Sep 5th, 2002, 07:24 AM
When they say so-and-so has won 6 Grand Slam titles, they usually don't exclude the Aus Open titles that may have added to that count.

2284
Sep 5th, 2002, 09:02 AM
Originally posted by Beige
No disrespect, Ausboy, but Melbourne looks rather generic on TV (Sydney's only saved by its opera house, wink). Melbourne can pass for quite a few major American cities like Baltimore. It even could pass for Toronto. Melbourne just doesn't have a distinct quality about it like Paris and NYC.


Yeah, on TV when all you see is a bunch of tennis courts and maybe a bit of the MCG...and I would like to take this oppertunity to say that I'm deeply offended by all the crap in this thread. How many of you have actually been to Melbourne? You appear to have no idea of how we live

2284
Sep 5th, 2002, 09:08 AM
Originally posted by TeeRexx
Oz not very popular, umm, let's see:

1. killer sharks at the beach
2. killer crocks by the fishing holes
3. killer wild dingos
4. roos that will punch your lights out
5. fly infestations (2000 Olympics)
6. killer heat that almost killed Marti and a few spectators.
7. mosquito infestations
8. the top 10 most venomous snakes in the world
9. the most venomous spiders in the world
10 women that can outdrink every sailor on earth.

That's possibly why Oz is ranked low and should be moved to the U.S., preferably Hollywood, for a 2nd slam on U.S. soil :)

Fuck you too! This is my home that you're talking about, arsehole!:sad:

martinafan
Sep 5th, 2002, 09:42 AM
Geez everyone calm down!!!

The Aussie is a slam, just like the other 3 - they are all on equal par!

Each slam may have something that the others don't have and some players will like some more than the others, but none are at a lower level than the others.

I know I am an aussie, but i think the australian is one of the best slams, mainly becuase of the two courts with a roof, so that play can always continue. I also think it is one of the best organised slams, and the players always seem to compliment it on the facilities and their ability to get transport.

So let's just say they're all equal ok, and stop this bullshit. I can't believe we're fighting over the prestige of grand slams, which affects our lives in now way whatsoever!!!!

TeeRexx
Sep 5th, 2002, 10:50 AM
Untitled2284 - If Oz is your home, then you have my sympathies. :p

Mateo Mathieu
Sep 5th, 2002, 11:30 AM
TeeRexx, fuck you!!

2284
Sep 5th, 2002, 11:51 AM
Originally posted by TeeRexx
Untitled2284 - If Oz is your home, then you have my sympathies. :p

If I knew you I would severely injure you right now...and just for the record,
1. The only shark I have ever seen was a dead one that was washed up on the beach
2. I've only ever seen crocodiles in their natural habitat, not fishing holes...and they were too busy sunbaking to bother anyone.
3. The "killer wild dingos" that you describe are also known as "cute little puppies"
4. Kangaroos that will punch your lights out...only if they feel that they're in danger...and they're only in rural areas anyway.
5. fly infestations (2000 Olympics)....can't argue with that, but it's one incident...and it wasn't in Melbourne, so it is not in any way related to the Australian Open.
6. Killer heat that almost killed Marti and a few spectators?...they could have just drunk more water...and it wasn't even particularly hot that day! Hot here is mid-February
7. mosquito infestations...where?
8. the top 10 most venomous snakes in the world...see my comment on Kangaroos
9. the most venomous spiders in the world...do I care? It's not like they're crawling in my bed!
10 women that can outdrink every sailor on earth...some can, but most of us don't drink our lives away...and you can't tell me that there's not at least one woman in almost every country who could out-drink a sailor!

Beige
Sep 5th, 2002, 12:33 PM
Untitled, I emphasized "no offense" in my first post but oh well. :p Sorry even Steffi Graf said while Melbourne was nice, it was quite boring and she couldn't wait to get to Tokyo for the Pan Pacific. Sorry I had to go there. :o The skyline and pics just look rather generic. During our coverage they have to show the 12 Apostles just for something distinct, and correct if I'm wrong-- aren't the 12 Apostles about 3 hours away from Melbourne.

P.S. My brother lived in Sydney for 12 years up until early last year and said that Oz was more like the US than say Europe which is why a city like Melbourne can pass for a major American city like Baltimore.

JC2002
Sep 5th, 2002, 12:40 PM
TeeRex :fiery: .

Have you ever been to australia?, by your comments.. obviously not. Australia has beautiful climate & as far as the killer animals your not seriously that stupid...you dont believe that shit? Steve Irwin is an actor, dont think normal people or animals act like that.

I would hate not being able to see the worlds best tennis players, compete on my home soil during summer! this year i went to both Adidas international and Oz open, it was great to watch the only other tournament ive seen before was the US open last year.

i m Australian so i guess im bias but im highly offended by your statement, i lived 8 months of last year with my brother in New York, honestly i couldn't wait to get back to Australia.

Both tournaments provide a great Atmosphere & both deserve to host the GS.:bounce: :)

CellJr300
Sep 5th, 2002, 02:55 PM
I usually try to stay away from all the hateful arguments, because I figure that this is only tennis, and if you decide to insult someone I like then so what, there is nothing I can do about it. But Serenus you have got to be kidding with that comment about Hingis devaluing the Aus by winning it 3 times. Last time I checked all the players are there to win it because it is a slam, and when they announce Martina it is as a 5 time slam champion not a 2 time slam champion who also won the Aus open 3 times. Venus Williams has won at Wimbledon which is on grass, now this is a surface that favors big hitters, but I would never say that her winning it in someway devalues the slam. You have to give the players what they've earned, and if they were good enough to win any slam then you have to respect them for it, not try to somehow belittle them for it.

TeeRexx
Sep 5th, 2002, 02:57 PM
Hey, don't blame me.
Blame the damn Discovery Channel! LOL :)

untitled - You are much to violent, like some of those other Aussie creatures. LOL

griffin
Sep 5th, 2002, 03:04 PM
and here I though Aussie's had a sense of humor?

New Zealand is way cooler and has cuter girls anyway.

:p

Seriously, I think the Oz does suffer from it's scheduling.

Sam L
Sep 5th, 2002, 03:09 PM
That's true griffin, it's just after the time players are coming back from a break. Some may take extended breaks.

Also some mentioned the weather. Yes, the Australian summer is the most brutal out of all the slams :(

Heck, I barely live normally, let alone play tennis :eek:

The Paris late spring, England summer (LOL) and New York early fall are probably much better suited to tennis conditions.

AUSBOY
Sep 5th, 2002, 03:16 PM
Well Steffi Graf was never a very smart cookie!

When she was in Melbourne she used to always sunbake topless on the rooftop of her skyrise hotel!

Unbeknown to her, all the helicopters flying over her had photographers that had a photo-snapping frenzy to look forward to every year, adding to their private collections of german tit shots!

I dont think Steffi ever ventured out of her hotel anyway. Ask players like Arantxa that used to go swimming with the Dolphins in the bay. Or Lindsay davenport who loved rowing along the river. Or Courier that used to go swimming in the Yarra after he won the Slam a few times. Melbourne has many attractions, theirs the Dandenongs, Healesville Sanctuary, Southbank, Chapel Street, Luna Park, We have many nice beaches and parks plus the best variety of restaurants in the world, you can get everything from Nepalese food to Turkish food to brazilian food!

AUSBOY
Sep 5th, 2002, 03:21 PM
Oh and for the record only 1 person died from a snake bite last year in Australia compared to 3 people dying from bee stings!

0 people died from crocodiles or sharks. In fact more people died being eaten by Sharks of the coast of L.A.

In Melbourne we don't have funnel web spider they are only NSW and typhans are only in Queensland!

We also dont have the worlds top 10 venomous snakes, thats rubbish, we have maybe 2 of them! I think France has the most venomous snake!

Beige
Sep 5th, 2002, 03:23 PM
Ausboy, sorry I don't want to turn this into a regional competition so let's just say we agree to disagree. For whatever it's worth, I have nothing against Oz (I hope to visit one day-- my siblings and mom have and loved it). In fact, some of my favorite members of this board are your compatriots (BCP, Iva's #1 Fan, Aloysius, Benny). Peace! :)

juggler
Sep 5th, 2002, 03:28 PM
Originally posted by AUSBOY
Oh and for the record only 1 person died from a snake bite last year in Australia compared to 3 people dying from bee stings!

0 people died from crocodiles or sharks. In fact more people died being eaten by Sharks of the coast of L.A.

In Melbourne we don't have funnel web spider they are only NSW and typhans are only in Queensland!

We also dont have the worlds top 10 venomous snakes, thats rubbish, we have maybe 2 of them! I think France has the most venomous snake!

i think u mean taipans, and they can be found in all sttes except victoria and tasmania.

melbourne doesnt have funnel webs, but they have red backs who live under toilet seats and bite your bum.

juggler
Sep 5th, 2002, 03:30 PM
Originally posted by AUSBOY
Oh and for the record only 1 person died from a snake bite last year in Australia compared to 3 people dying from bee stings!

0 people died from crocodiles or sharks. In fact more people died being eaten by Sharks of the coast of L.A.

In Melbourne we don't have funnel web spider they are only NSW and typhans are only in Queensland!

We also dont have the worlds top 10 venomous snakes, thats rubbish, we have maybe 2 of them! I think France has the most venomous snake!

i think u mean taipans, and they can be found in all states except victoria and tasmania.

melbourne doesnt have funnel webs, but they have red backs who live under toilet seats and bite your bum.

AUSBOY
Sep 5th, 2002, 04:07 PM
LOL, yeah taipans is what I meant! R u sure they are in WA???

LOL @ Redback comment! My grandpa's gardner got bitten by a redback once and didnt even know it! He was fine though after getting an injection

bobcat
Sep 5th, 2002, 05:30 PM
This whole discussion is getting ridiculous. Whether or not the AO is as prestigious as the other slams has *nothing* to do with Austrialia being a nice place to live or visit. Or if the tournament is well run. Or if the facilities are nicer. Or if people get eaten by sharks. It has everything to do with its history and tradition. I'm sorry if some people can't accept that, but that's just how it is.

eshell
Sep 5th, 2002, 06:04 PM
Thanks, Bobcat, for refocusing this discussion. Many have taken the time to list former players' perceptions of the Aussie Open. McEnroe talked about it on air as well. It has been a relatively recent phenomenon that the Aus Open has been seen as equal to the other grand slams.

I personally don't devalue the Aus Open. I think it is just as important but, in the past, professional tennis players on both tours didn't find it as prestigious.

TeeRexx
Sep 5th, 2002, 06:44 PM
But in answer to the thread, no, the Oz is the least prestigeous of the slams.

Mainly, it comes to early in the year and is to far for most players to travel and makes viewing time difficult in the U.S., where most of the TV viewers reside.

AUSBOY
Sep 5th, 2002, 07:06 PM
Tee Rex, Australian Open has the highest cut off every year for mens and womens because all the players come because they are fresh and not injured! Wimbledon has the lowest cut off followed by US Open.

Most tennis viewers actually arent from USA, they are from Asia, so get your facts right!

You talk about tradition, US Open only moved to Flushing Meadows in 1978, its only 9 years older than Melbourne Park!

OUT!
Sep 5th, 2002, 07:13 PM
I love the Aus Open - it's my 2nd favourite Slam becuase when I'm watching matches, its sooo cold in London.

In terms of prestige however, all Slams are equal, but some more equal than others :D

TeeRexx
Sep 5th, 2002, 08:50 PM
Order of prestiege:

1. Wimbledon
2. U.S. Open, Roland Garros
3. Australian Open

The U.S. broadcast rights are what drives all of these slams.
The vastly populare Aussie rules football is rarely shown, on U.S. broadcast TV.

I never made a point of the tradition of the location of the U.S. Open because I believe that it should be shown in Los Angeles. :p

Rollo
Sep 5th, 2002, 08:59 PM
If history and tradition count then Oz does rate 4th. But by that measure then the French and US Opens are well behind Wimbledon. The US Open started out with few foreign entries until well into the mid 1960s. The French often suffered from a lack of top Americans and really dropped down a few years in the mid to late 70s.

Neither has the overall reputation or media impact that Wimbledon has. The slams get more equal every year, but if one is tops-it's Wimbledon.

2284
Sep 6th, 2002, 12:22 AM
So Steffi Graf thought melbourne was boring? What did she do? Stay in her hotel room the whole time? NOt only is there a lot to do in Melbourne (I am NEVER bored), but it's all quite close to Melbourne Park...than maybe she just doesn't like shopping, pubs, night clubs, cafes and restaurants with great food, other sporting events, good visual artwork, good music, good ballet....

2284
Sep 6th, 2002, 12:28 AM
Originally posted by Beige

P.S. My brother lived in Sydney for 12 years up until early last year and said that Oz was more like the US than say Europe which is why a city like Melbourne can pass for a major American city like Baltimore.

I don't know because I've never been to Baltimore, but I did see an area in New York on TV once (it was on a travel program, not tennis) that looked very similar to Parkville (15 minute tram ride from Melbourne Park)

TeeRexx
Sep 6th, 2002, 12:33 AM
... antivenin, shark repellant, sunblock 400, auto translator to convert Aussie to Business English, brass knuckles and Edmonds "101 Ways to Skin and Eat a Dingo". :) LOL

Buitenzorg
Sep 6th, 2002, 01:29 AM
Originally posted by Serenus
I think Aus Open is the lowest in class because Martina Hingis won there like 3 times in a row, in which the only one she had a chance at winning for the fact that it's a rebound surface. During the time that time, people have already de-throwned her as #1 in the world, so it made the Aus Open looked bad. The biggest reason is that most player don't seem to care playing at the Aus Open and don't put much effort into preparing for it, so Martina Hing-is-over takes advantage of it. Besides, all the big babes need time to load up their powers unlike Martina who has none, so she is more prepared.

In fact NO WILLIAMS has won The OZ Open (Not ONCE!) :p :fiery: Get REAL honey!

ASTRID
Sep 6th, 2002, 02:34 AM
I live in Melbourne and Ive been to the Australian Open many many times. I think It's just as good as any other grand slam and the players love it. I can't understand why it isn't mentioned as much as the other grand slams.

Go Martina ! 3 time Aussie Open Winner 97/98/99


Martina Forever

TS
Sep 6th, 2002, 02:43 AM
lol, I cant believe what has become of this thread!

Look, people will like a city, or people witll not! If people want to bag this wonderful city called Melbourne, let them, after all they havent lived in it for almost 25 years and are just basing their assumptions on hearsay and pictures :p

This city rocks, the nightlife is spectacular, the people are friendly, there are LOTS of things to go and see and it is one of the most multi-cultural cities on earth. All you Melbourne knockers, just go to Sydney, those poser's will appreciate you more :p j/k

In all seriousness, not all people like the same things. The same goes for countries and cities...Im not offended some people dont like my city. I know my city and I love my city and really couldnt give a stuff if others dont! :p

Oh and as for Tee Rex's comments, I thought they were funny, as I *do* have a sense of humor.

Viva
Sep 6th, 2002, 03:47 AM
I think TeeRexx is just trying stir you (meaning all the Aussies getting offended) up while having a little dig at Australia.

I don't really mind, it's just a joke and if it isn't what can you do? You have to admit, it was funny.

griffin - Yes but the New Zealand girls talk the funniest.

Greenout
Sep 6th, 2002, 04:01 AM
I love the AUSTRALIAN OPEN.

The surface is neutral unlike grass or clay- more players have
a good chance of playing their best without being dogged with
the only "clay courter", only "hardcourt" tag.

The crowds are the best of all the slams. We don't have the
yobs from the US OPEN, the snitty Euro trash of Roland Garros-
nor the tourists that go to WIMBLEDON. The people who
attend the AUSTRALIAN OPEN are tennis fans; period.

There isn't the common blow outs like the US OPEN nor WIMBLEDON.
I've seen a hella lot of great 3 set matches.


People who don't respect the AO are..

1) Casual tennis viewers who tune into WIMBLEDON
2) American sports writers
3) Snobby English sports writers
4) Old serve and volley players who never went to Australia
5) Players who never won the AUSTRALIAN OPEN
6) Grass courters
7) Players who were on tour before 1992

CellJr300
Sep 6th, 2002, 04:06 AM
The reason I started the thread was becuase I tend to have a certain affinity for the Slams. I like tennis, and I love it when my faves win tournaments, but Grand Slam tennis is the best part of the year for me. I will always cheer my favorites on, but even if they get eliminated I still tape the rest of the tournament because more often than not slam tennis is better than regular tour tennis. I feel this way about all the slams. I get just as excited for mixed doubles in a slam as I would for watching a tour final. The slams tend to have a certain energy, and I feed off of that energy, and it makes the overall experience of a slam better than the rest of the tour imo.

Hingiswinsthis
Sep 6th, 2002, 04:33 AM
I love the Australian!!! It's the best grand slam next to the Us Open for me. :):D

kournikovafan13
Sep 6th, 2002, 05:09 AM
I love the Australian because of the relaxed, laid-back atmosphere :D

But I love all the Grand Slams, I can't decide which one I like most :confused:

Sam L
Sep 6th, 2002, 05:48 AM
The biggest complaint I have with the Australian Open is as I've said before: it's too damned HOT :fiery:

With the heat been a MAJOR factor, sometimes important matches could sway in a player's favour, not because of their tennis talent but because of their ability to handle the heat better.

Not mentioniong names, not mentioning names :angel:

Viva
Sep 6th, 2002, 06:39 AM
Originally posted by Sam L
The biggest complaint I have with the Australian Open is as I've said before: it's too damned HOT :fiery:

With the heat been a MAJOR factor, sometimes important matches could sway in a player's favour, not because of their tennis talent but because of their ability to handle the heat better.

Not mentioniong names, not mentioning names :angel:

Yes well, we can't control the weather now can we?

But it gets enormously hot. I remember sitting in the arena sweating like mad and I wasn't even doing anything! But it was ok, my string of ice-creams and my dad being my waterboy for the day helped a lot. :)

TeeRexx
Sep 6th, 2002, 06:45 AM
I am glad that most of you have a sense of humor at least, eh mate. LOL

Hey, put another crock filet on the barbie and throw me a bloody Fosters, eh mate? :)

2284
Sep 6th, 2002, 07:11 AM
Who drinks Fosters anyway? Here all the beer drinkers drink VB...crocodile fillet? eeeeeeeewwwwwwww!

AUSBOY
Sep 6th, 2002, 08:00 AM
LOL @ Fosters!

All round Europe I kept getting asked, don't you drink Fosters in Australia, and I'm like, "No, I drink Carlton Cold, or Corona or Boags" We don't have a generic Fosters beer, LOL.

Crocodile is like chicken, it doesn't come in fillets, its not a fish! LOL

Viva
Sep 6th, 2002, 09:33 AM
My friend tried crocodile and she started gagging - she liked emu though.

Beige
Sep 6th, 2002, 12:24 PM
What I meant by generic is that like Melbourne, MANY major American cities are interchangeable. The US hase very few unique cities. NYC, Vegas and New Orleans are unique; Baltimore, Portland and Detroit, for example are not. I wasn't saying that there is nothing to do in Melbourne and that it isn't pretty, etc. My point was that in comparison to other host cities for Slams, Melbourne came across, based on TV coverage, as the most generic. Sorry you guys took as it a personal affront and sorry for using Steffi's comment to ilustrate my point. It's all good. :)

P.S. SORRY IF THIS OFFENDS YOU BUT IT'S A POINT THAT I WANT TO MAKE: It's interesting that Oz is such a multi-cultural country yet you wouldn't know it based on its tennis players on both tours. What's up with that?

TeeRexx
Sep 6th, 2002, 12:31 PM
Ausboy - Crock taste like chicken!!!??
It taste like a chicken that just ate your Uncle Lou, I bet, mate. :)

tennisvideos
Sep 6th, 2002, 01:52 PM
I've been to Wimbledon, French and Aussie Open and love them all for different reasons. But the Aussie is certainly the best tournament for a true tennis fan. It is easy to get tickets - to any day you want - of course you have to get in early as they sell like hotcakes. But if you get in early you can get centre court or Court 1 or Ground Passes to every single session. Unlike Wimbledon where you either have to go into a lottery and hope for the best or queue overnight. And the tickets are cheap compared to the others.

And let's not forget the tennis. It's great as you see lots of great rallies. It's not as fast as Wimbledon and certainly not as slow as Roland Garros, so it's a great surface for the spectator. Many S&V and baseliners have taken the title so it definately suits all types of games.

And Melbourne is a beautiful city. Doesn't quite have the excitement or pulse of Sydney but it has a wonderful European style charm which I love. And the food is some of the best in the world - mmmmmmm.

louloubelle
Sep 6th, 2002, 03:26 PM
TeeRexx - all those drunk 'shelias' who are drinking all those sailors under the table..... no matter how many "Fosters' they drank I bet they still wouldn't be desperate enough to give you a root!!!

TS
Sep 6th, 2002, 04:14 PM
Originally posted by Beige
What I meant by generic is that like Melbourne, MANY major American cities are interchangeable. The US hase very few unique cities. NYC, Vegas and New Orleans are unique; Baltimore, Portland and Detroit, for example are not. I wasn't saying that there is nothing to do in Melbourne and that it isn't pretty, etc. My point was that in comparison to other host cities for Slams, Melbourne came across, based on TV coverage, as the most generic. Sorry you guys took as it a personal affront and sorry for using Steffi's comment to ilustrate my point. It's all good. :)

P.S. SORRY IF THIS OFFENDS YOU BUT IT'S A POINT THAT I WANT TO MAKE: It's interesting that Oz is such a multi-cultural country yet you wouldn't know it based on its tennis players on both tours. What's up with that?

Actually Beige there are quite a few tennis players, particularly on the womens side, that come from European backgrounds....led by Evie Dominikovic (Croatia) and Christina Wheeler (Ukraine) and a whole host of other girls, who I wont list as Im sure you havent heard of them ;) Most are ranked between the 250-1000 mark, and thats not counting the juniors, many of whom are of Euro descent. Also, Molik is not an Aussie name but Im unsure of where her ancestry is from. Anyway, now Im babbling.

Same goes for the men, led by Philippoussis (Greece/Italy) and Ilie (Romania), but our girls outnumber them.

I wish however that we had some young Aboriginal players on the rise, but sadly we dont :( (well not that I know of)

TeeRexx
Sep 6th, 2002, 05:08 PM
loulpou - Those sheilas would love to have a hot yank like me to give them a turn or two! LOL :)

Beige
Sep 6th, 2002, 05:56 PM
Originally posted by Iva's #1 Fan
Actually Beige there are quite a few tennis players, particularly on the womens side, that come from European backgrounds....led by Evie Dominikovic (Croatia) and Christina Wheeler (Ukraine) and a whole host of other girls, who I wont list as Im sure you havent heard of them ;) Most are ranked between the 250-1000 mark, and thats not counting the juniors, many of whom are of Euro descent. Also, Molik is not an Aussie name but Im unsure of where her ancestry is from. Anyway, now Im babbling.

Same goes for the men, led by Philippoussis (Greece/Italy) and Ilie (Romania), but our girls outnumber them.

I wish however that we had some young Aboriginal players on the rise, but sadly we dont :( (well not that I know of)

Thanks, Terry. I was referring to multi-racial but your list of players illustrates the ethnic diversity of your country. I'm surprised that Goolagong hasn't inspired her people but I'm sure it's more complicated than that.

Peace out to all! :)

CHOCO
Sep 6th, 2002, 06:03 PM
Is it actually hotter during the AO than it is during the US Open? I've often wondered about that. thanks

louloubelle
Sep 7th, 2002, 12:30 AM
TeenyWeenyRexx - yes...... many shielas would reconsider if you had a hot bod and no other shortcomings... if you know what I mean ;) They'll get past the yank thing ;)

TeeRexx
Sep 7th, 2002, 12:49 AM
Louloubabe - I've got the pipes to do the plumbing that drives you little sheilas wild. :)

And when I'm done, bring me a Heinekin and put somes shrimps on the barbie for the Great Tee Rexx. LOL

AUSBOY
Sep 7th, 2002, 12:04 PM
"I've got the pipes to do the plumbing that drives you little sheilas wild"

Pipes? Had an implant have ya Tee Rexx?

In Australia ours are made of solid hot throbbing muscle!!!


Plumbing? Is that what you call it over there! I know in the US you have different terminology for things, like you say Napkins and we say Serviettes, even met a St Louis girl tell me that you call male underwear "Tighty Whiteys" as opposed to jocks

kiwifan
Sep 8th, 2002, 05:59 AM
Originally posted by CellJr300
I was just wondering why the Australian Open seems to be given little respect. Whenever I hear the commentators talking they rave about people winning the French, Wimbledon, or US Open, and sometimes fail to even mention the Australian. :cool: :cool: :cool:

Well that's all about to change for the WTA. Now the Aussie O is going to be "the biggie" because of the Williams Sisters.

The only thing you can hang over Serena's claim to status as one of the all-time best is never winning the Aussie O.

The Sister Slam trend (for those who care, both negatively and positively about that streak) will become a sister Grand Slam if Aussie is added to the mix. I know that technically it's a different calendar year but 4 in a row is 4 in a row (and even the haters have to acknowledge a career Grand Slam).

Obviously since Serena's won the last 3, all the above applies to her as an individual as well.

Just as the French hangs over Sampras, McEnroe and Connors legacy. Just as the US Open hangs over Borg. Just as Wimbledon hangs over Lendl.

As long as the Sisters are at the top of the game and haven't won the Aussie Open, it will be the most important tournament in Women's tennis.

So are you Aussie's happy now?

Mateo Mathieu
Sep 8th, 2002, 06:33 AM
Australian Open is hotter than the US Open, obviously...

Martina Hingis, Rita Grande and few others was suffer of heat exhaustion. How many players suffered at the US Open? None. This is your answer.

:) I never suffered of heat cause I used to live with the weather :)