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martinailuv
Sep 4th, 2002, 01:19 AM
tennis would be more exciting if everyone played like the finesse players because it would be more balanced. it would be totally awesome to see more players play like marti, juju, kimi, dani and jenny and then the matches wouldn't be so boring being all about power.

GoDominique
Sep 4th, 2002, 01:27 AM
One can only hope that the quality of your posts will develop proportionally to their number.

villa
Sep 4th, 2002, 01:27 AM
Hey in case you forget the point of tennis for players is: To win not to entertain the public.
Players want to win grandslams not entertain the public and loose every tournament they play in.
If you wanted to win slams would you rather have serena or martina's game?

martinailuv
Sep 4th, 2002, 01:30 AM
i don't even have to think about it. marti's of course! she's not only my favourite but she's the greatest player in the world. :D

2284
Sep 4th, 2002, 01:30 AM
Power is definately a factor in tennis, but it's not everything. Henin has done really well @ Wimbledon over the past 2 years and it seems to be only a matter of time before she wins it...and she's not a particularly powerful player

martinailuv
Sep 4th, 2002, 01:32 AM
juju my second favourite will win wimbledon one day just like marti did in 1997 when she almost won the grand slam.

villa
Sep 4th, 2002, 01:34 AM
Originally posted by martinailuv
i don't even have to think about it. marti's of course! she's not only my favourite but she's the greatest player in the world. :D

My freind you don't want to win slams and anyone who did would want serena's power game becuase that's the only way your going to compete in tennis in the year 2002.

2284
Sep 4th, 2002, 01:36 AM
martinailuv, are you willing to re-think that after Martina got absolutely whipped by Seles?

martinailuv
Sep 4th, 2002, 01:37 AM
i know marti's been losing to the power players but she knows how to beat them like she beat moni twice this year.

franny
Sep 4th, 2002, 01:38 AM
they dont try to learn finess because they dont need to, they juss smack the crap out of the ball and win.

mboyle
Sep 4th, 2002, 01:40 AM
You don't consider Serena's amazing angles and wild spin serves finesse? I do. I call Martina's game fun to watch but ineffective. (Today it was ugly to watch. It was as if she was moonballing it and begging Monica to put it away)

mboyle
Sep 4th, 2002, 01:40 AM
And if this Junior is anything like me, by post 200 she will have learned her lesson. (or he)

Informative
Sep 4th, 2002, 01:44 AM
martinailuv obviously doesn't know what she/he's talking about. Clearly this observer has not been paying close attention to the actual matches that "the power players" have been playing for many years. To assert with a straight face that, for example, Venus and Serena don't play or know how to play a "balanced game of power and finesse" indicates that this person hasn't been watching tennis for the last five years or that she/he is a sheer incompetent when it comes to analyzing tennis. What a big, fat LIE these assertions are! These ancient, dusty, and wildly ill-informed/inaccurate cliches about "power and finesse in tennis" have been raging for years, and it's all sour grapes. As if one could consistently win Grand slam events and over 90% of one's matches and 12 tournaments as Venus and Serena have this year through "power alone." Don't be stupid/silly/naive! If you like the faves you mentioned in your post fine. To each his/her own. Only don't ignorantly denigrate other players you don't like with such willful lies and distortions of reality.

martinailuv
Sep 4th, 2002, 01:44 AM
marti didn't play well cuz she isn't match tough and moni was too powerful. if marti was more fit she would of made moni run more and then marti could win the match.

Informative
Sep 4th, 2002, 01:47 AM
If I wudda cudda shudda! Ever hear the one about "wishes and horses?" LOL...

martinailuv
Sep 4th, 2002, 01:52 AM
whatever. :rolleyes: pfff i know i'm not the only one who thinks it's totally boring right now with power players just hitting it hard and nothing else.

2284
Sep 4th, 2002, 01:57 AM
...but it's not nothing else. The "power players" hit some great shots...and where do you draw the line when referring to "power players". Which players in particular are you talking about?

Informative
Sep 4th, 2002, 02:17 AM
marinaluv, have you ever heard of THINKING before you post? You sound like you've never heard of something called LOGIC. A single fact or two to backup your empty-headed assertions would also be nice...Or is "not being the only one" to make false claims sufficient for you?

Berlin_Calling
Sep 4th, 2002, 02:22 AM
Whats wrong with you guys. Your not even letting this poster post his/her opinions and suggestions and just jumping on him/her just because u have different views :rolleyes:

Volcana
Sep 4th, 2002, 05:42 AM
martinailuv - You listed Jennifer Capriati as one of your 'finesse players'. Are't thou mad?

Venus and Serena both use more finesse in a match than Jenn does in a whole tournament! It's been quite a while since Kim Clijsters used a lot of finesse either.

Actually, however, its a good question. The answer is, two of the power players HAVE added some finesse to their games. Unfortunately for you, those two players were Venus and Serena Williams. Who's on TV more than anyone? Venus and Serena. Who was in the finals all but two weeks this year since Scottsdale? Venus or Serena. They are the twin faces of the tour right now. And what has that meant? What has three All-Williams GS finals in four tries meant?

Ratings. The TV ratings for women's tennis just keep going up and up and up. So a lot MORE people like today's game than find it boring. At least the part of today's game the Williams sisters play. But its more than them. Possibly, we're seeing better play from more players than we've seen for a long, long time. Like, ever.

So you don't like this trend. You don't have to be bored. There's always curling. Failing that, "Watching Grass Grow" is on HGTV.

2284
Sep 4th, 2002, 05:47 AM
Originally posted by Volcana

It's been quite a while since Kim Clijsters used a lot of finesse either.

I can't comment on the Mauresmo win over her because I didn't see it, but Kim was great @ the end of her 3rd round match. She has the fitness and the shots, but her problem is lack of consistancy

CoryAnnAvants#1
Sep 4th, 2002, 06:09 AM
I personally think finesse and touch shots are something you really can't master w/practice. You can learn it, but you cant master it. Either you have it or you don't. People like Capriati or Seles could hit drop volleys if they worked at it enough. However, it does not come naturally to them, and it wouldnt give them their best results. What gives them their best results is standing on that baseline and whacking the crap out of the ball. The same goes for finesse players like Emanuelle Gagliardi. If she really wanted to learn how to belt a backhand, she could. If she did nothing but belt hard backhands off that wing, she would not be where she is in tennis right now, and would probably be a 10K player. You can learn any shot you want to, but in the end, these professionals got to where they are by playing a game that works for them, and changing their game completely wont help a bit. Even if they try finesse as a change-up, it's still a bad idea in my opinion.

Amanda
Sep 4th, 2002, 06:14 AM
LOL@ this topic....so 1990ish!

servenrichie
Sep 4th, 2002, 09:48 AM
strong posts from Informative and Volcano, sorry to say though, your posts missed its mark:) This thread is so ridiculos
that it does not deserve a serious discuss. Again, i have been waiting for RockUnsteady alias 0000 to come back with a new
name. I suspect our "martinaluv", but i am not yet 100% sure. I also have an eye on another juniour member. The thing is he
thinks he is very clever, yet the same thing keep giving him away time and time again.
You can see that he has gone so far as to tone down his lang. so as to sound like somebody, who doesnt have english as his first lang.
Unfortunately, a snail cant change its shell.
If i were a tennis player, i would play to win, using everything at my disposal.
nuff said...

Lindsayfan
Sep 4th, 2002, 12:04 PM
why dont the finesse players try to learn power? :rolleyes:

Beige
Sep 4th, 2002, 12:38 PM
Originally posted by Volcana
martinailuv - You listed Jennifer Capriati as one of your 'finesse players'. Are't thou mad? Venus and Serena both use more finesse in a match than Jenn does in a whole tournament! It's been quite a while since Kim Clijsters used a lot of finesse either.


LOL! Jenn wouldn't know finesse if it punched her in the face. I saw Kim play LIVE on Saturday and she didn't resort to finesse when Zvonareva had her on the ropes. She didn't even utilize finesse when took the elad in the 3rd.

Originally posted by Volcana
LOL@ this topic....so 1990ish!

LMAO! I know how you meant this, Amanda, and it's so true!

Tatiana Panova
Oct 4th, 2002, 12:48 AM
LOL@ this topic....so 1990ish!

I think so too. Then it was all about how it was being overtaken by Amazonian muscled-up power mongers who meant that players like Hingis would get beaten up on - and how they were of a dying breed. Oh those were the days - tennis was much more interesting then I think.

Looking back about all that Amelie fiasco - how she was so bulky - she looks like a lightweight now in comparison to some others.

The Vampiress
Oct 4th, 2002, 02:35 AM
Originally posted by Chrispy
Whats wrong with you guys. Your not even letting this poster post his/her opinions and suggestions and just jumping on him/her just because u have different views :rolleyes:

Agree :)

but I don't see why they have to learn the finesse game, playing the power game is how they play and how to cope with tennis generally, thats how they just play and I don't think they would cope changing ones game to another type.

Canek
Oct 4th, 2002, 03:02 AM
they can't play with finesse. Too rude for it;)

selesrules
Oct 4th, 2002, 03:25 AM
I'd rather see power players like Serena instead of players who hit their groundstrokes and serves at 20 mph like Coetzer, Hingis, etc.