View Full Version : Venus-Seles, revenge time!

Sep 3rd, 2002, 06:36 PM
Is Venus up to it? She'd better be. Seles is on!

This is gonna be splendid! :)

Sep 3rd, 2002, 06:54 PM
OMG! Venus is already on the practice court, just ONE hour after her match with Rubin! She was shown with her dad and a towering 7-ft all-dressed-up man!!

She must know not to lose to Seles twice this year. At the Aussie, she went down 7(4)/6 2/6 3/6. Let's hope things turn out differently this time around.

Keep on practicing, Vee, your UE's in today's match were awful.

Sep 3rd, 2002, 07:25 PM

Sep 3rd, 2002, 07:28 PM
C'mon Monica! You can do it!! I truly believe she can! If venus plays like she did against Chanda...she's a gonner!

Sep 3rd, 2002, 07:32 PM

Sep 3rd, 2002, 07:47 PM
TA TA TA! Chanda is more mobile around the court than Monica! Venus will teach Monica a lesson!! :)

Sep 3rd, 2002, 08:40 PM
go monica.

Sep 3rd, 2002, 08:56 PM
I love them both, but Monica hasn't impressed me this year. She almost lost to Schwartz. She let Cho into the match when she should've won 6-1, 6-1. Venus had a tight match with Chanda, but Chanda is a top player. I think that she's playing better than Monica is right now, so I think that Venus will take it in two sets!

Sep 3rd, 2002, 09:03 PM
Venus ain't going home.... until Serena says so. ;)

Sep 3rd, 2002, 09:05 PM
As much as I don't want to admit it, Venus will probably win in 2 sets. Monica just has not looked as sharp as she does. She overcame a great mental block in Hingis, but Venus will be a far tougher challenge. That being said, if Seles finds a way to get through, I think she'll beat Capriati or Momo to get to the finals.

Sep 3rd, 2002, 09:12 PM
Wait a minute, wouldn't it be revenge again? I thought Venus already defeated Monica at the French.

Sep 3rd, 2002, 10:40 PM
Venus hadn't dug that deep since the match where she came back on Justine - has she? I just never count Venus out - cause she is one of the best out there that digs sooooo deep to pull out a V-I-C-T-O-R-Y.




Tuesday, September 3
Venus to play Seles in quarterfinals
Associated Press

NEW YORK -- Here's how Venus Williams responded to a rare challenge at the U.S. Open: She dug in, pulled out a three-set victory, then went right out and practiced.

No room for imperfection for the two-time defending champion.

She had all kinds of problems against Chanda Rubin before emerging with a 6-2, 4-6, 7-5 victory Tuesday to reach the quarterfinals for the 18th time in her last 20 Grand Slam tournaments and move closer to another all-Williams final.

"Today just wasn't my best day,'' said Williams, who lost seven more games in that match than in her previous three combined. "I had a lot of short balls that I just missed. It was definitely strange missing those shots, but I tried to stay calm.''

She'll play Monica Seles for a semifinal berth. Still grunting on each shot and still hitting with two hands off both wings, Seles beat Martina Hingis 6-4, 6-2 to end Hingis' streak of six straight semifinal appearances at the year's final major. Hingis had ankle surgery in May and made it into the field here as a wild-card entry.

On the other half of the draw, 1998 champion Lindsay Davenport moved into the semifinals by eliminating unseeded Elena Bovina 3-6, 6-0, 6-2. Davenport, playing just her fifth tournament since right knee surgery performed by the same doctor who rebuilt Rubin's left knee, capitalized on Bovina's 36 unforced errors.

Against Rubin, Williams bailed herself out with the help of 41 winners and seven aces, snapping one at 121 mph. But she also made 41 errors, had six double faults, had her serve broken five times, and allowed her 25-set winning streak at the Open to end.

Watching from the stands while snapping pictures through a 2-foot lens, Williams' father, Richard, wasn't pleased.

"It looks like all her techniques are breaking down,'' he said.

When the match ended, Venus Williams walked off court and swung her racket in a forehand motion while looking at her father, as though to say, "I know, I know. We have some work to do.'' Sure enough, 20 minutes later, she was on an adjacent practice court, hitting while getting instructions from Richard.

They might have been going over what went wrong when she was broken three straight times in the second set.

Or what led to the trouble at 5-5 in the last set, with Williams facing two break points. But the 14th-seeded Rubin, who's had two operations on her left knee since January 2001 and appeared to be gasping for air after longer rallies, finally succumbed to Williams' constant pressure.

Rubin sent a forehand wide on the first break point, then put another forehand into the net to close a 17-stroke rally. She threw her head back, sighed, and staggered along the baseline.

"I had rushed so many shots, missed so many,'' Williams said. "I was just happy to be able to get through those points.''

Up to that part of the match, Rubin's attacking style kept Williams off-balance, though it didn't produce all that many winners: 15.

"I gave myself a chance in the match. As a competitor, you want to go out in every match and do that,'' Rubin said. "But it's disappointing not to win it when the chances were there. You look up -- you're right there for the match.''

Williams is always there, particularly when it comes to U.S. hard-court tournaments, where her record is 18-0 in 2002, and has lost just two such matches in the past three years. She's 58-6 overall this year, with three of the losses to younger sister Serena, who's seeded No. 1 at the Open and was to play No. 11 Daniela Hantuchova later Tuesday for the right to meet Davenport.

Rubin has made quick progress since returning to the tour in May after her second surgery, including victories over Serena Williams and Davenport en route to winning a hard-court tournament in Los Angeles last month.

Of Rubin's seven main draw losses in 2002, five came against players who have been ranked No. 1: the Williams sisters, Davenport, and Seles.

Hingis also used to be at the top, but the last of her five Grand Slam titles came at the 1999 Australian Open. Since then, she's lost in five major finals, while the Williams sisters have combined to win seven of the past 12.

Now Hingis is coming back from ligament damage that one of her doctors said might end her career, and she didn't do much to push Seles off her game Tuesday.

Seles figures to get a different test against Venus Williams, who has won seven of their eight meetings, including in the French Open quarterfinals.

It's been 10 years since Seles won her second straight U.S. Open title, and she talked Tuesday about how the game has changed.

"The girls started to get bigger, stronger, faster,'' the 28-year-old Seles said. "You see the girls now are 6 feet tall, have a 100 mph serve -- that's the lowest.''

Hmmm, sounds a lot like her next opponent.

Sep 3rd, 2002, 10:51 PM
well monica beat chanda 6-3 6-2 earlier this year

Sep 3rd, 2002, 11:02 PM
I'm just hoping for a good match and also that Monica might win but she'll need to raise her level again!

Sep 3rd, 2002, 11:07 PM

Sep 3rd, 2002, 11:09 PM

Seles to Play Venus

Chanda Rubin couldn't begin to match Venus Williams' power or reach or ability to pull an opponent around the court with precision. Rubin's edge in their fourth-round match at the United States Open this afternoon was having a lot less to lose and nothing to fear.

Coming back from two knee surgeries, using a gutsy, smart, counterpunching approach, Rubin came as close as anyone not named Serena to beating Williams in a major tournament before finally falling, 2-6, 6-4, 7-5, at Arthur Ashe Stadium.

Lindsay Davenport, the No. 4 seed, also survived a bad first set to brush aside Russian Yelena Bovina, 3-6, 6-0, 6-2, in the quarterfinals on the Armstrong Stadium court.

And Monica Seles, No. 6 seed, ended the comeback bid of Martina Hingis, who needed a wild card into the Open because of her injury-marred ranking, with a 6-4, 6-2, victory in their fourth-round match on Arthur Ashe court. Seles took advantage of a rash of errors by Hingis and now advances to play Williams in the quarterfinals.

Davenport, heading to the semis, awaits the winner of the quarterfinal matchup of No. 1 Serena Williams vs. No. 11 Daniela Hantuchova, scheduled for the night session on the Arthur Ashe court.

Also in action tonight are Americans Pete Sampras, the No. 17 seed, taking on No. 3 seed Tommy Haas, and Andy Roddick, the No. 11 seed, playing Juan Ignacio Chela of Argentina. Those are fourth-round men's matches.

But the biggest news of the day came from the women's side this afternoon, mostly from the scare Rubin threw into Williams. Ashe Stadium was abuzz as fans started filling the seats in anticipation of an upset.

``It was just a few things I think I came up a little bit short on,'' Rubin said. ``She definitely rose to the occasion at times. She came up with some shots at some times that any other wouldn't have,'' Rubin said. ``But I also feel like a few opportunities were on my racket and I didn't measure up as well as I needed to.''

Williams, second ranked behind her sister, Serena, dodged the challenge in a tight third set by finally picking on Rubin's biggest weakness: her serve. Williams broke Rubin in the final game and took a very visible sigh of relief. After warmly congratulating Rubin at the net, Williams spun around and applauded the crowd that had been largely rooting for Rubin to knock her off.

``I'm happy to be in the quarterfinals,'' Williams said. ``It definitely could have gone the other way.''

Williams will face No. 6 seed Monica Seles in the quarterfinals. Seles followed Williams' win with a much more convincing 6-4, 6-2 victory over No. 9 seed Martina Hingis. Seles, who had struggled against lesser players in the early rounds in going three sets against both Barbara Schwartz and Yoon Jeong Cho, made quick work of Hingis.

Hingis, in her first major tournament since coming back from torn ankle ligaments, needed a wild card to get into the Open. Seles kept her on her heels with deep groundstrokes and eventually, she dissolved in a heap of errors.

The drama was a definite step down after the opening match. Arthur Ashe Stadium was abuzz as fans filed in steadily as Rubin's near-upset materialized. Many of those fans kept mispronouncing Rubin's first name while trying to urge her on. Rubin built on that support, working her way into the match in the second set after Williams had looked in control in the first.

But even then Williams sensed her game was off and Rubin started picking on those weaknesses.

``Today was technically very, well, not the best,'' Williams said. ``Sometimes I start out badly and I can't correct it. So its important for me to start out doing the right things.''

Williams was bothered by her footwork and her serve started becoming more of a threat to her than to Rubin. Williams twice double-faulted on break point in the second set.

The third set turned into a fantastic battle. Williams broke Rubin twice early, taking a 4-1 lead before Rubin made another stand. She broke Williams with a forehand return winner, got the set back on serve and had two break points that could have given her a 6-5 lead in the set.

That first break point turned into a long rally of deep groundstrokes, the final one hit by Rubin finally hit the net and fell back. Williams recovered with a strong first serve and then hit a forehand winner to close out the game.

Rubin wobbled on serve in the final game and Williams deposited one last forehand winner on the baseline to escape the upset.

Despite losing, Rubin might have painted a near-perfect blueprint for how to beat either Williams sister, something the rest of the women players have struggled to even contemplate. Rubin beat Serena in a tournament in Los Angeles in early August, then nearly crafted an exit by Venus at the Open.

Rubin accomplished that by putting as much pressure on either Williams as possible, charging the net when possible, using her speed to track down balls that would be winners against anyone else. Most of all, Rubin refused to be intimidated by the prospect of playing them.

``It forced me to play better than I've had to play,'' Rubin said. ``The way I looked at it, it's going to happen. You have to ask, `Can you measure up?' I think I can. I could have won that match.''

Sep 3rd, 2002, 11:22 PM
Venus also pulled through a tough three setter right before Monica beat her last time.

Sep 4th, 2002, 12:32 AM
Originally posted by CC
Wait a minute, wouldn't it be revenge again? I thought Venus already defeated Monica at the French. You're very right, CC. Venus did defeat Seles 64-63 in the quarters at RG. Well, it will be revenge again or just continuation of the earlier domination; their H-to-H is 7-1 Venus.

Sep 4th, 2002, 12:39 AM
Whoever wins, it should be a good match

Sep 4th, 2002, 01:39 AM
Go Venus! Monica is a fine player and I like her but it's time for Venus to defend her title! Work hard Vee and win this tournament. It won't be easy (especially with babysis in the mix) but you can do it.

Sep 4th, 2002, 03:59 AM
Venus won last time, so this one is for Monica's revenge.

Dawn Marie
Sep 4th, 2002, 04:11 AM
Go Venus just move her around and fire off those aces.:)

Williams Rulez
Sep 4th, 2002, 06:35 AM
lol... you keep living in your fantasy world jp... :)

It is great to see that Venus is out practising after that dreadful match... she ought to get in shape.

Neither Monica nor Venus played a good match, I hope this is not an ugly match.

Sep 4th, 2002, 09:21 AM
That's where we differ, Williams Rulez.
I don't give a hoot if it's an ugly match...as long as Monica wins it, that is. :p

Sep 4th, 2002, 05:29 PM
I agree with earthcrystal!

Sep 4th, 2002, 05:33 PM
was Venus that depleted after the Rubin match that folks seriously think there is a chance she can lose to Monica?


Sep 4th, 2002, 06:07 PM
Monica will win this match!!!!!

Sep 4th, 2002, 07:52 PM
Good luck, Monica!!! :bounce:

Sep 4th, 2002, 08:07 PM
Venus beating Monica on clay at the French removed a lot of the jhuice form this match. It's basically Monica vs a lighter, faster Monica with a lot bigger serve.