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treufreund
Sep 3rd, 2002, 05:31 PM
It's so important that Chanda has beaten Serena and nearly beaten Venus.

I think the fact that she did not do that with big first serves and mostly played neutral rallies and used her weapon, the forehand, moved the ball around, played short, undercut volleys and just used very smart play with depth and angles and balls that are tough to attack is very important to show the world and the other girls that NO PLAYER is unbeatable. The Williams have even said that they wish to dominate like Chrissy and Martina did once and the other girls are letting it dominate their thoughts. It's important that players like Rubin, Schnyder, Capriati, Mauresmo and a healthy Hingis play well against them.

TeeRexx
Sep 3rd, 2002, 05:34 PM
VENUS won.

victory1
Sep 3rd, 2002, 05:37 PM
Yes, she sure did!

midora
Sep 3rd, 2002, 05:37 PM
Oh wow. Athletes who want to dominate. What nerve what a scandal. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

treufreund
Sep 3rd, 2002, 05:40 PM
scandal? no. boring? yes. Ask Anke Huber. Venus won? Barely. Chanda's got the game to beat her? Absolutely!

Chanda did tennis a service and the crowd was totally on her side.

CC
Sep 3rd, 2002, 05:40 PM
Chanda did herself a service. Now she will have even more confidence when she goes up against Venus and Serena again.

VSFan1 aka Joshua L.
Sep 3rd, 2002, 05:44 PM
The crowd is always on Venus' opponents side.....nothing new there?

Sometimes I wonder if you sit there and pray to the gods above that Venus (and Serena) lose.....you always have a quircky negative comment about them...

victory1
Sep 3rd, 2002, 05:47 PM
Truefiend, worry about Hingis, she needs you right now supporting her!;)

Go Venus!! Go Serena! Go Chanda!!:bounce: :bounce:

TeeRexx
Sep 3rd, 2002, 05:51 PM
Maybe truefiend does not know that close only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades, not tennis. :rolleyes:

Helen Lawson
Sep 3rd, 2002, 05:54 PM
Venus won but it was a good match for Chandra Levy (if people insist on continuing to call her "Chandra" at least I will go for the full effect). This might have been the match of the tournament. Too bad is was not further along. It looked like a great match to watch.

nysaga
Sep 3rd, 2002, 05:55 PM
Chandra had 2 break points at 5 All in the 3rd...too bad she couldn't convert!!!

CC
Sep 3rd, 2002, 05:57 PM
Close, but no cigar. http://www.plauder-smilies.de/smoke.gif

Helen Lawson
Sep 3rd, 2002, 05:57 PM
Did anyone see it? Was Venus playing subpar or did Chandra Levy play a really great match?

nysaga
Sep 3rd, 2002, 06:05 PM
Originally posted by Helen Lawson
Did anyone see it? Was Venus playing subpar or did Chandra Levy play a really great match?

Ms. Levy played terribly. It was like she was not even there...she seems dead. Poor Chandra.

Infiniti2001
Sep 3rd, 2002, 06:07 PM
A win is a win-- no ifs ands or buts about it.. Of course no player is unbeatable, but champions rise to the occasion when they have to... Chanda played well enough to lose as usual... Just my thoughts on the matter :P

TeeRexx
Sep 3rd, 2002, 06:07 PM
C-H-A-N-D-A

harloo
Sep 3rd, 2002, 06:10 PM
Originally posted by Helen Lawson
Did anyone see it? Was Venus playing subpar or did Chandra Levy play a really great match?

Helen Lawson Venus was all over the place with her forehand, hitting errors, overhitting, and her serve was off at times. She could get away with that against lower ranked players, but Chanda noticed and started taking it too her.

Venus had to win this one, and it was Chanda's to win or lose. But I think what made the difference is Venus is so mentally strong. When she needed those 2 points in the thrid she produced. I thought it was Chanda's match, but Venus once again shows why she is a champion.

Also, people don't pay too much attention to TRULYFAKE. It's obvious he hates the sisters, and I knew he/she would chime in saying stuff like this once this match was over. It's funny, because it's not like he/she has said something that everyone doesn't already know. Duh!!! Any player is beatable. :rolleyes:

midora
Sep 3rd, 2002, 06:13 PM
Boring. Gimme a break. Think of something more original. Chanda came close. That doesn't matter. she is still packing her bags and heading for the Big Easy.

Were you bored when Martina was beating everyone in sight. Oh I guess not cuz she was playing "smart" tennis. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: Get over it. The Williams are here to stay.

Maybe instead of being bored you should hop on over to Arthur Ashe and have a conference with Melanie to give her some pointers on how to get her daughter to stop serving like a geriatric on the senior circuit.

Helen Lawson
Sep 3rd, 2002, 06:13 PM
Thanks harloo. Best of luck to Chandra Levy at the next tournament.

angele87
Sep 3rd, 2002, 06:17 PM
Please if somebody in here has a problem with treufreund please either keep it in the thread where the actual problem is or PM him/her! This is the 4th thread in like the last two days that I've stepped into wanting to discuss the topic at hand only to find posters fighting about something that has nothing to do with the thread! Now that I have that off my chest, let me comment on this thread:

I think treufreund has a very valid point! It's great for tennis to see the top players play tough matches against quality opponents! It does get boring to see Venus, Serena, Jen etc... win all their matches before the semis 6-0 6-1 in 45 minutes! I'm sure most people enjoyed watching this match much more than watching Venus double bagel her opponent!

Also, even if Chanda didn't win I think she showed that Venus is beateable on hardcourts and that her name shouldn't be engraved on the trophy just yet! I'm not saying Venus won't win because I think she will but right now she seems more beatable than she did before the match and that has to help the confidence of some other players!

elektra 4 u
Sep 3rd, 2002, 06:18 PM
well Chanda has just proven to everyone that she's gonna storm into the top 10 before the year is out. The final set was amazing to watch and the crowd were really into it which was nice to see for a change. Venus looked so nervous throughout the whole match, even during the first set which she won easily. It's strange coz she never seems that nervous against Capriati or Lindsay even which shows what great respect she has for chanda.

angele87
Sep 3rd, 2002, 06:19 PM
Originally posted by nysaga


Ms. Levy played terribly. It was like she was not even there...she seems dead. Poor Chandra.

:sad: That's really ignorant :sad:

BigTennisFan
Sep 3rd, 2002, 06:20 PM
Frankly I would love for Chanda to get her game to the point that she can give Venus and Serena a run for their money.
I would love to see Venus, Serena and Chanda dominating the top three spots in women's tennis for the next 4 or 5 years.

:)

I wonder then if we would have threads like this one.

Remember EVERYBODY just LOVES them some Chanda. But you just let her start dominating like the Williams sisters do.

Then what?:angel:

elektra 4 u
Sep 3rd, 2002, 06:22 PM
another thing it's fine to say that all the other players can now sit up and notice that Venus is actually beatable but not all of them have the all-round game,experience and right attitude that Chanda has to be able to beat both venus and serena.

"Topaz"
Sep 3rd, 2002, 06:28 PM
It's true Chanda did tennis a service today: she played very well! She also did Venus a great service in that she showed Vee what to work on in order to win the next rounds.

Venus should take the advice (or warning) very wisely. In her current shape, I don't see her past Serena, if they both get to the final.

Beige
Sep 3rd, 2002, 06:30 PM
Originally posted by BigTennisFan
Frankly I would love for Chanda to get her game to the point that she can give Venus and Serena a run for their money.
I would love to see Venus, Serena and Chanda dominating the top three spots in women's tennis for the next 4 or 5 years.

:)

I wonder then if we would have threads like this one.

Remember EVERYBODY just LOVES them some Chanda. But you just let her start dominating like the Williams sisters do.

Then what?:angel:

BTF, you know what will happen! I can see it now:

Chanda's dad is only a DISTRICT judge!

Chanda's mom cries racism at Wimby...AGAIN!

How come Chanda won't play dubs with black players?

Why did Chanda dump Sandrine? :rolleyes:

Helen Lawson
Sep 3rd, 2002, 06:34 PM
It was the affair with Bill Condit that caused her to act crazy.

BrianII
Sep 3rd, 2002, 06:47 PM
The only thing that chanda proves is what chumps people like Anke and the rest are ..instead of whining and complaining she takes her 5'6" 128 lb self and goes out there and competes ....she's also back from injury isn't she? ....do you hear any excuses , do hear any screams for help from hingis and davenport , if some of these loudmouth retired players and active players had some of her competetive spirit instead of being talented but lousy competitors then maybee Vee and Serena wouldn't be dominating.

CHOCO
Sep 3rd, 2002, 06:56 PM
BrianII - my sentiments exactly!!

I would love to see Chanda bag a few more tourney titles this year.

BK4ever
Sep 3rd, 2002, 07:04 PM
Well Venus is very upset about today, because she is out on the practice court as I type. I can see her out the window. She said she was very upset that her serve went crazy and her forehand wild.

Rocketta
Sep 3rd, 2002, 07:08 PM
Originally posted by BK4ever
Well Venus is very upset about today, because she is out on the practice court as I type. I can see her out the window. She said she was very upset that her serve went crazy and her forehand wild.

That doesn't surprise me! I feel for Monica.

BK4ever
Sep 3rd, 2002, 07:15 PM
The funniest part of today was Capriati's mom and Matthew Perry watching one of the monitors and cheering wildly for Chanda...he got on his needs when she missed those BP's to go up 6-5. They were both nervous as hell...hoping and praying that the QUEEN would lose. It was hilarious.

Rocketta
Sep 3rd, 2002, 07:21 PM
Originally posted by BK4ever
The funniest part of today was Capriati's mom and Matthew Perry watching one of the monitors and cheering wildly for Chanda...he got on his needs when she missed those BP's to go up 6-5. They were both nervous as hell...hoping and praying that the QUEEN would lose. It was hilarious.

hmmm, they have that much confidence in their daughter/girlfriend huh? LOL

VSFan1 aka Joshua L.
Sep 3rd, 2002, 07:29 PM
Originally posted by BK4ever
The funniest part of today was Capriati's mom and Matthew Perry watching one of the monitors and cheering wildly for Chanda...he got on his needs when she missed those BP's to go up 6-5. They were both nervous as hell...hoping and praying that the QUEEN would lose. It was hilarious.

LOL, sounds like some posters here....Matthew Perry is such a puppet.

Legends
Sep 3rd, 2002, 07:31 PM
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"The funniest part of today was Capriati's mom and Matthew Perry watching one of the monitors and cheering wildly for Chanda...he got on his needs when she missed those BP's to go up 6-5. They were both nervous as hell...hoping and praying that the QUEEN would lose. It was hilarious. "



please tell me this ain't so.

surely Capriati's mum knows better than to show how fearful their camp is of Venus?

Serena y Monica
Sep 3rd, 2002, 07:48 PM
All this match proved is that if Venus or Serena is off and you are having a really good day...you can give yourself a chance.

I mean really the bottom line is Venus still won while playing shitty.

griffin
Sep 3rd, 2002, 07:58 PM
Chanda did tennis a service the day she joined the tour.

I'm sure she's be :rolleyes: at the idea of using her as a way to beat up on Venus and Serena or anyone else.

anton
Sep 3rd, 2002, 08:29 PM
Originally posted by BigTennisFan
Frankly I would love for Chanda to get her game to the point that she can give Venus and Serena a run for their money.
I would love to see Venus, Serena and Chanda dominating the top three spots in women's tennis for the next 4 or 5 years.



Watch it. I don't think a lot of people want to see 3 Black girls at the top of tennis. Especially on this board, there seems to be so much thinly veiled hate and racism.

treufreund
Sep 3rd, 2002, 08:30 PM
griffin that's just wrong. Angele was right. Everybody is talking about Williams domination and Chanda has said that that is just TALK. Why isn't this a valid discussion? I didn't say one thing at all that was derogatory towards Venus. Frankly I am sick of your sarcastic posts. Just cuz you are a moderator and power hungry doesn't mean you can read my mind.

treufreund
Sep 3rd, 2002, 08:32 PM
I don't want Chanda to just be giving people a run for their money. I want her to win. If Chanda and the Williams were to be the top 3 then I want Chanda to be in front. Chanda played great today and her coach was obviously irritated by the lack of attention she has been getting. That's gonna change. She's gotten Venus and Serena's attention and she is NOT scared of them.

anton
Sep 3rd, 2002, 08:37 PM
Chanda beat Hingis in Indian Wells a few years ago so this is not a surprise. Chanda has a great game! And Chanda did HERSELF a service, not tennis. Venus did tennis a service by raising her level and winning the match. Whoever plays the best won Chanda will be back to play great tennis again.

Playa
Sep 3rd, 2002, 09:09 PM
I knew Haters will jump to the opportunity , their Faves have been spanked, KIM , HINGIS, ETC...
that's the only consolation they can get.

QUEENLINDSAY
Sep 3rd, 2002, 09:23 PM
These is not about the haters, rather spanking everybody who are obsessed.

QUEENLINDSAY
Sep 3rd, 2002, 09:31 PM
These is not about the haters, rather spanking everybody who are obsessed.

BigTennisFan
Sep 3rd, 2002, 09:31 PM
Originally posted by treufreund
I don't want Chanda to just be giving people a run for their money. I want her to win. If Chanda and the Williams were to be the top 3 then I want Chanda to be in front. Chanda played great today and her coach was obviously irritated by the lack of attention she has been getting. That's gonna change. She's gotten Venus and Serena's attention and she is NOT scared of them.

Since I'm not as elegant and as nice as Venus, I'll paraphrase.
The only reason this is even a topic is because of the snivelling, whining, cowardly attitude of some of the other girls on the tour.

Chanda has never thought that she could not compete with V&S unlike some of the other so called competitors out there.

Venus has basically said that if they are so sorry and trifling that they don't go onto the court thinking that they are the best, then what the hell are they doing out there pretending to compete?:mad:

It just sticks in my craw. Of course Chanda is not going to buy into that mess. And I thought that some of the posters on here had better sense than to buy into it.
But then again, I suppose that if your faves are running around like Chicken Little you have to follow suit.:fiery:

Cybelle Darkholme
Sep 3rd, 2002, 10:27 PM
Well said! Chanda has never thought she couldn't compete, just like Venus and Serena she thinks when she takes the court that she is more than capable of winning.

Good for her!

Anyone who doesnt think that is just pathetic imo. Get a backbone and maybe you're games will come together.

OH GO MOMO!!!! GO VENUS!!! GO SERENA!!!

moon
Sep 3rd, 2002, 10:57 PM
first of all, Chanda did HERSELF a favor today by playing so well.
secondly, if a player shows up on court thinking Venus or Serena is unbeatable, thats their problem, not Venus or Serena's.
thirdly, LMAO about Matthew Perry and Jen's mom. I guess Denise doesn't want Jen crying on her shoulder again like last year.

smygelfh
Sep 3rd, 2002, 10:58 PM
There are plenty of people who for various reasons don't like one or both of the sisters, and especially not an all-williams final.

If Chanda shows that they're not as invincible as they seem, a lot of people who lost interest in a sport where two players are dominating, will get back to watching. I've heard fans who didn't bother to follow another 6-1,6-0 match too.

If Chanda can almost beat Venus, why can't your fave? More people will watch, more players will put in a true effort instead of giving up beforehand, and that's good for tennis as a whole.

So, Truefriend is right. This match was good for tennis. Even if Venus wasn't at her best. Even if Venus didn't lose. The important thing is that it showed that there's depth in the the tennis, that noone us unbeatable.

apoet29
Sep 3rd, 2002, 11:33 PM
In tennis, there have always been one or two players dominating at the top. Venus-Serena domination reminds me of Graf-Seles and Navratilova-Evert dominations of the past years. The irony of dominating tennis players is this: These are players with incredible potential and everyone roots for them to make number 1 in the world. Once the player makes it, two different perceptions of him/her come about. First, the fans of the player are thrilled and want them to stay in that spot as long as possible. Second, the fans of competing players resent the domination and want to see their faves in that position. What happens is an endless cycle of complaining that women's tennis is forever ruined by one or two players dominating. To that end, I say one thing. No player dominates forever. Whether retirement, injury or an evolving game forces them out, he or she will eventually concede the position. So instead of whining about their domination, enjoy it while it lasts and enjoy the tough matches that these players display for the viewing public.

Chanda did herself a favor today. She proved this summer that she is fully capable of playing her game and beating one sister (Serena in LA) and nearly beating another (Venus today). Chanda, unlike Amelia and Jennifer, went out on the court fully thinking she could beat Venus and she nearly did. What Chanda has is a little something called confidence. She knew she had the weapons to do her best and nearly succeeded. I think more credit should be given to Chanda's mojo than the rest of the tour. Instead of complaining, these players should take notes from Chanda on how to compete.

Informative
Sep 3rd, 2002, 11:53 PM
treufreund is a moron

Cam'ron Giles
Sep 4th, 2002, 12:03 AM
Originally posted by Informative
treufreund is a moron

Amen to that...I am so sick of this idiot talking out his ass. One minute he says something like "the sisters are growing on me" and the next minute he is talking crap...I think he is an idiot who just dont have any idea what he is talking about...:rolleyes:

angele87
Sep 4th, 2002, 12:09 AM
Why can't y'all discuss dominance in women's tennis without resorting to personal attacks? Some people, myself included, would rather watch close matches than blow-outs and would like the top players to be challenged! I'm a huge Lleyton fan and what was my fave match of this tournie? His match vs. Blake! It was the most exciting by far!

treufreund
Sep 4th, 2002, 12:14 AM
Angele87 thanks for bringing sanity back to this thread. They are just mad that I even dared to bring up the fact that the Williams are beatable and that people want someone to challenge them. Chanda has done that in two matches in a row versus the Williams. I did not say anything nasty about the sisters but notice the insults and accusations being hurled at me. It speaks poorly of those people, not of me.

barmaid
Sep 4th, 2002, 12:41 AM
Chanda is to be congratulated for a very "heads up" performance today and made the match much more competitive than anybody expected. She played patiently and yet capatilized on Venus's errors thus providing a very entertaining match and almost beat her by a hair!!:rolleyes: So kudos to Chanda and also to Venus who got the scrare of her life but managed to win!! Good match girls!!:lick:

barmaid:wavey:

Amanda
Sep 4th, 2002, 05:20 AM
...so this means that Chanda is the 3rd best player in the world!!!!!!! Way to go Chanda!!! Don't do it for yourself....show the world that you are the one that can bring down Venus and Serena....show them that this is your main goal on the wta tour.

Williams Rulez
Sep 4th, 2002, 08:21 AM
Chanda did tennis a great service... I'm very glad of that. At least she goes in there and fight, making it close, unlike some whiny players who have retired or shiver in their panties when they play the Williams.

Raisin
Sep 4th, 2002, 08:54 AM
Originally posted by treufreund
It's so important that Chanda has beaten Serena and nearly beaten Venus.

I think the fact that she did not do that with big first serves and mostly played neutral rallies and used her weapon, the forehand, moved the ball around, played short, undercut volleys and just used very smart play with depth and angles and balls that are tough to attack is very important to show the world and the other girls that NO PLAYER is unbeatable. The Williams have even said that they wish to dominate like Chrissy and Martina did once and the other girls are letting it dominate their thoughts. It's important that players like Rubin, Schnyder, Capriati, Mauresmo and a healthy Hingis play well against them.

LMAO at Treu, so you really thought the WILLIAMS are unbeatable? *Shaking my head*:p

Halardfan
Sep 4th, 2002, 09:17 AM
Its been a superb comeback from Chanda, and I really hope she can go on from here, take on the games the games 'elite' on equal terms week in week out...she showed against Venus, she has more than enough tools to beat anybody, anytime.

People say Venus didn't play well, but I don't think Chanda let her do so...she ran down every ball, showed a range of shots and inventive play that was a joy to behold. Such a performance does count for a lot, and Im sure will further convince cChanda not merely that she can beat the top players, but that she can win the top tournies. :)

servenrichie
Sep 4th, 2002, 09:24 AM
Talk about "Schadenfreude" Treufreund, were you not the same person using this word, when Hewitt beat Blake. How can someone be this transparent. You have no Principles, you stand for nothing concrete except root for any opponent of the Williamses. Werent you the same individual trying to convice everyone who cares to listen including the Santa Claus, how much you love Venus.
Sometimes your grovelling is quite sickenning, do you get ashamed of yourself sometimes?
Go back and check your posts and threads in the last five days and you will understand. How do you stand living with yourself?

servenrichie
Sep 4th, 2002, 09:35 AM
Originally posted by Treufreund:
Angele87 thanks for bringing sanity back to this thread. They are just mad that I even dared to bring up the fact that the Williams are beatable and that people want someone to challenge them. Chanda has done that in two matches in a row versus the Williams. I did not say anything nasty about the sisters but notice the insults and accusations being hurled at me. It speaks poorly of those people, not of me.

people are not hurling insults at you because of this, rather because of the rubbish you constantly pile here in your rather pathetic attempt to look for somebody to beat the Williams. Nothing new the press is full of it, but you come off very desparate.
You have not said anything nasty against the sisters? Are you sure? :mad:

Beige
Sep 4th, 2002, 11:00 AM
Originally posted by servenrichie
Talk about "Schadenfreude" Treufreund, were you not the same person using this word, when Hewitt beat Blake. How can someone be this transparent. You have no Principles, you stand for nothing concrete except root for any opponent of the Williamses. Werent you the same individual trying to convice everyone who cares to listen including the Santa Claus, how much you love Venus. Sometimes your grovelling is quite sickenning, do you get ashamed of yourself sometimes?
Go back and check your posts and threads in the last five days and you will understand. How do you stand living with yourself?

And everyone knows it!!! :D

eshell
Sep 4th, 2002, 08:42 PM
Gee, Chanda did herself wonders by playing Venus so closely BUT I'm sure that she's not satisfied. She had the match on her racquet and couldn't close it out. It will still go down as a loss. <sigh>

With that said, the whole tour has known that Venus' forehand and serve can be shaky at times. (This was no news flash or new tactical decision by Chanda.)

I remember Steffi and Monica's dominance quite well. It never bored me to see them bagel an opponent. Heck, if the opponent couldn't win a game, it wasn't Steffi or Monica's fault. Some of my favorite matches happened when my fave dominated an opponent. (For instance, Steffi d Zvereva 6-0, 6-0 at the French Open)

I like 'classic' matches as well. For me, it's not an either/or proposition. I like to see good tennis. If that means that one of my faves is playing at such a high level that another player doesn't have a chance, then so be it!

Chanda has spunk and belief in herself. I've always liked her and will continue to cheer for her now.