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DAVAJ MKirilenko
Mar 29th, 2009, 07:16 PM
So easy to stay positive with Ana :rolleyes: (like she ever did well there)

AJDE!!!!

DownTheLine21
Mar 29th, 2009, 07:19 PM
Well, clay has been a surface on which Ana has consistently reached career milestones (2005 - 1st GS QF, 2007 - 1st GS Final, 2008 - 1st GS Win). Hopefully she can regain her championship form at Rome, Madrid, or Roland Garros.

Then again, I hope this isn't the place for another career "1st" (i.e. 1st GS 1R exit).

luv_sweetAna
Mar 29th, 2009, 07:20 PM
Oy. At least it's clay now.

Ajde!

Nikkiri
Mar 29th, 2009, 08:13 PM
iSzavay reading this thread :awww: :wavey:

spiritedenergy
Mar 29th, 2009, 08:20 PM
iSzavay reading this thread :awww: :wavey:

:haha: I noticed that too while I was putting him (?) on ignore:devil:

Princeza
Mar 29th, 2009, 08:28 PM
iSzavay reading this thread :awww: :wavey:

And posting pics! :hearts:

Finally clay! I love this time of the year.
Come quick please :angel:

Marilyn Monheaux
Mar 29th, 2009, 08:33 PM
Clay rules:rocker2:

Maybe she can play mixed doubles with Rafa:hehehe:

The Daviator
Mar 30th, 2009, 01:29 AM
I love the clay season too, surprising as a Davenport fan :tape:

Good luck Ana, and please surprise me, I'm really not expecting much.

gaviotabr
Mar 30th, 2009, 01:34 AM
Good Luck Ana!

Any win is good I guess.. :o

I also love the clay season, even though I almost never manage to watch the matches as they are always in the mornings and I have classes at university. Livescoring all the way.. :lol::tape:

gaviotabr
Mar 30th, 2009, 05:39 PM
It's going to be one looooooong month waiting for Rome.

I was wondering.. many of Ana's problems recently have come from the fact that she has been rushing a bit.. she has not been patient at all in rallies.. sometimes even looking extremely anxious. We all know that clay demands patience from the player. I was watching the RG semi against JJ, and Ana was just so patient.. getting into long rallies with Jankovic, until she had a clear opening to unleash her forehand. Will she be able to get that patience back in time for the clay court season? She will definitely need it.

Charlieflip
Mar 30th, 2009, 05:53 PM
It's going to be one looooooong month waiting for Rome.

I was wondering.. many of Ana's problems recently have come from the fact that she has been rushing a bit.. she has not been patient at all in rallies.. sometimes even looking extremely anxious. We all know that clay demands patience from the player. I was watching the RG semi against JJ, and Ana was just so patient.. getting into long rallies with Jankovic, until she had a clear opening to unleash her forehand. Will she be able to get that patience back in time for the clay court season? She will definitely need it.

I think it's about adjustement. I mean, at these very fast surfaces its favourable to end the point quickly with a winner. It also suits Ana's gameplay. But she is smart and knows that this won't work on clay. She just has to find a slower pace.

gaviotabr
Mar 30th, 2009, 05:58 PM
I think it's about adjustement. I mean, at these very fast surfaces its favourable to end the point quickly with a winner. It also suits Ana's gameplay. But she is smart and knows that this won't work on clay. She just has to find a slower pace.

I know that it's good to finish the points quickly in fast surfaces.. but sometimes you also need to be patient. I was told by people who watched the match against Szavay that Ana was anxious and rushing. And I had noticed that in other matches as well.. even in the fast surfaces sometimes you need to be patient in a rally until you can get in a good position to hit the winner..

Anyway.. I hope Ana realizes that's not the way it works on clay and adapts her game.

Charlieflip
Mar 30th, 2009, 06:10 PM
Yeah, of course, you are absolutley right. And as you say, I think Ana has that in mind :)

spiritedenergy
Mar 31st, 2009, 02:45 AM
OMG what kind of haters are posting in the forum... please report them i'm doing it, they can ban them from the player's forum (i know for personal experience:lol::tape:)

Anyways Idemo!:boxing::armed:

jonnyroyale_13
Mar 31st, 2009, 03:10 AM
I was wondering.. many of Ana's problems recently have come from the fact that she has been rushing a bit.. she has not been patient at all in rallies.. sometimes even looking extremely anxious. We all know that clay demands patience from the player. I was watching the RG semi against JJ, and Ana was just so patient.. getting into long rallies with Jankovic, until she had a clear opening to unleash her forehand. Will she be able to get that patience back in time for the clay court season? She will definitely need it.

Its no different than baseball. For me, tennis is all about pitching, hitting and defense.:p Before you think thats crazy, just consider what pitching is:
"The art of pitching is upsetting the timing of the hitter."

Some people might use terms like counter puncher, pusher, etc to describe what Ana's opponents are doing. Well, im a baseball guy, so for me it is pitching.
Ana is a pure hitter. If i am Ana's opponent, I know im not going to win with hitting. If Ana is going to keep swinging at bad pitches and keep fouling them off(UE's), then im going to keep throwing Ana bad pitches all day long.
In tennis, it seems to me it is easier to be selective as a hitter than it is in baseball. When the ball screams "Hit me!" , hit it! If it doesnt , be patient, get yourself into a pitching duel until you DO get a pitch to hit, then hit it and yell ajde! Ana has never been the most disciplined hitter, but now the troubles are worse. She just doesnt seem to swing the bat raquet like she used to.
Sorry for the baseball analogies, but the season starts next week.:bounce:

bruce goose
Mar 31st, 2009, 06:35 AM
Its no different than baseball. For me, tennis is all about pitching, hitting and defense.:p Before you think thats crazy, just consider what pitching is:
"The art of pitching is upsetting the timing of the hitter."

Some people might use terms like counter puncher, pusher, etc to describe what Ana's opponents are doing. Well, im a baseball guy, so for me it is pitching.
Ana is a pure hitter. If i am Ana's opponent, I know im not going to win with hitting. If Ana is going to keep swinging at bad pitches and keep fouling them off(UE's), then im going to keep throwing Ana bad pitches all day long.
In tennis, it seems to me it is easier to be selective as a hitter than it is in baseball. When the ball screams "Hit me!" , hit it! If it doesnt , be patient, get yourself into a pitching duel until you DO get a pitch to hit, then hit it and yell ajde! Ana has never been the most disciplined hitter, but now the troubles are worse. She just doesnt seem to swing the bat raquet like she used to.
Sorry for the baseball analogies, but the season starts next week.:bounce:^^ A nice comparison...a little long-winded...but still good;).The only thing I can't picture is Ana on steroids like your baseball players always are.I can EASILY visualize Kuzy or Mauresmo with a bizarre,bloated head which is twice the normal size...though this might disturb my appetite:eek:...however I can't see Ana following in Barry Bonds' footsteps where she's SOOO jacked up that a cap won't even fit on her head anymore:lol::lol:.She'd retire before she ever got tHAT desperate for success:p

Nikkiri
Mar 31st, 2009, 09:14 AM
OMG what kind of haters are posting in the forum... please report them i'm doing it, they can ban them from the player's forum (i know for personal experience:lol::tape:)

Anyways Idemo!:boxing::armed:

MightyMashaFan was in Ana's forum yesterday too :lol:

SOA_MC
Mar 31st, 2009, 02:20 PM
MightyMashaFan isn't that bad, he doesn't like Ana but at least he doesn't spend his time posting shit about her :shrug:

Davodus
Mar 31st, 2009, 02:33 PM
it's so long before we see ana playing again :o
i hope she gets practicing on clay and brings out the patience and massive forehand (the one that goes in all the time :p) when she needs it :rocker2:
ajde ajde :armed:

Nikkiri
Mar 31st, 2009, 02:33 PM
Either way it's just funny to see people who vocally express there dislike for someone browsing that players forum. ;)

Davodus
Mar 31st, 2009, 02:45 PM
Either way it's just funny to see people who vocally express there dislike for someone browsing that players forum. ;)

secret fans :p

gaviotabr
Mar 31st, 2009, 06:04 PM
I was taking a look at Ana's 2007 season.. and it kind of looks like this one. After Miami, in 2007, Ana had a 14-7 win/loss record. In 2009, she has a 13/5. In 2007, Ana's results were: QF/QF/3rd/F/QF/4th/1st. In 2009, QF/3rd/QF/F/3rd.

In 2007, Ana rocked the red clay, really jump starting her year, and going into the most consistent stretch of her career. From Berlin 07 to the YEC, Ana had only 3 early losses, out of 11 tournaments.

I hope Ana can jump start her year on the red clay in an even more spetacular way. Idemo Ana! Let's rule clay! :p:worship:

spiritedenergy
Mar 31st, 2009, 07:41 PM
I was taking a look at Ana's 2007 season.. and it kind of looks like this one. After Miami, in 2007, Ana had a 14-7 win/loss record. In 2009, she has a 13/5. In 2007, Ana's results were: QF/QF/3rd/F/QF/4th/1st. In 2009, QF/3rd/QF/F/3rd.

In 2007, Ana rocked the red clay, really jump starting her year, and going into the most consistent stretch of her career. From Berlin 07 to the YEC, Ana had only 3 early losses, out of 11 tournaments.

I hope Ana can jump start her year on the red clay in an even more spetacular way. Idemo Ana! Let's rule clay! :p:worship:

I was thinking that too... but 2007 for her was a breakthrough, everything was new and exciting... I hope she can find the same enthusiasm:sobbing:

bruce goose
Apr 3rd, 2009, 11:22 PM
I'll keep this brief:Since I only have very strong circumstantial evidence,and not the 100% indisputable variety,about Nadal as a person,I apologize to any Nadal fans who come here if I've made things unpleasant for you.Although it seems quite clear to me that many have a HIGHLY illusory view of him,I'll refrain from making ANY comments regarding him in the future

Andreas
Apr 8th, 2009, 01:52 AM
Can't wait for the clay season. Hopefully we will get to see her play but the most important thing is, that she finds her game. I'm actually having a good feeling about these upcoming tournaments. Even if she didn't play that well in Indian Wells, she reached a final and that must do something for her.

Anyway, good luck in Rome, Ana :)

spiritedenergy
Apr 8th, 2009, 10:28 PM
I think we should do like in Ana's forum, the first post of tournament threads have always the tournament logo on it and the timeline:p

When will it start? I'm in Ana deficiency state:sobbing:

gaviotabr
Apr 8th, 2009, 10:35 PM
I think we should do like in Ana's forum, the first post of tournament threads have always the tournament logo on it and the timeline:p

When will it start? I'm in Ana deficiency state:sobbing:

Hi Luca! :wavey:

Im also suffering from Ana withdrawal.. :sobbing: :lol:

The tournament in Rome will start on May 4th. But she has Fed Cup before that, at the end of april.

spiritedenergy
Apr 8th, 2009, 10:40 PM
Hi Luca! :wavey:

Im also suffering from Ana withdrawal.. :sobbing: :lol:

The tournament in Rome will start on May 4th. But she has Fed Cup before that, at the end of april.

Hi Isabela:wavey:

she's so cruel for leaving us for 1 month without her:sobbing::lol::p

bruce goose
Apr 8th, 2009, 10:42 PM
Hi Luca! :wavey:

Im also suffering from Ana withdrawal.. :sobbing: :lol:

The tournament in Rome will start on May 4th. But she has Fed Cup before that, at the end of april.While you're waiting,you can visit GM--IF you're a glutton for idiocy;)--and participate in voting threads like,"Will Dinara handle being #1 better than Ana did?"....A successful Fed Cup run would pro'bly help Ana's confidence a little:)

gaviotabr
Apr 8th, 2009, 10:43 PM
Hi Isabela:wavey:

she's so cruel for leaving us for 1 month without her:sobbing::lol::p

True! :sobbing:

I hope she takes this time to practice hard and prepare well for the clay court season. It's important that she plays well and gets good results.

spiritedenergy
Apr 8th, 2009, 10:47 PM
While you're waiting,you can visit GM--IF you're a glutton for idiocy;)--and participate in voting threads like,"Will Dinara handle being #1 better than Ana did?"....A successful Fed Cup run would pro'bly help Ana's confidence a little:)

:haha:

Bruce :wavey:

Abut GM I find that if you get involved in the discussions it gets to you, if you don't it becomes boring.:p. But it's like a million threads about how bad the WTA state is, what horrible n.1s we have, why is Dinara n.1... I mean Serena has 2 slams, 1 slam final, and Charleston, Dinara has a lot of TIs and 2 slam finals, so it's normal to be close. Still I would give less points to a slam finalist (like half of the winner).

gaviotabr
Apr 8th, 2009, 10:50 PM
While you're waiting,you can visit GM--IF you're a glutton for idiocy;)--and participate in voting threads like,"Will Dinara handle being #1 better than Ana did?"....A successful Fed Cup run would pro'bly help Ana's confidence a little:)

Oh.. the Ana hate in GM is always epic. There has been a few weeks that I don't go there though.

I think Dinara will probably be number 1 until RG... but unless she really improves her play, she won't be number 1 after that. She hasn't played well at all this year... and more worrisome, she doesn't seem well, taking from what she says in her pressers.

And Ana's time at number 1 had the injury, which, IMO messed with Ana's head much more than the fact that she was number 1. I think she got so frustrated that she wasn't able to play as she wanted and defend her position, because of the injury, that it just messed with her head and made her at the same time obsessed with tennis and tired of it. A cocktail molotov ready to explode.. which it did.

bruce goose
Apr 8th, 2009, 11:38 PM
Oh.. the Ana hate in GM is always epic. There has been a few weeks that I don't go there though.

I think Dinara will probably be number 1 until RG... but unless she really improves her play, she won't be number 1 after that. She hasn't played well at all this year... and more worrisome, she doesn't seem well, taking from what she says in her pressers.

And Ana's time at number 1 had the injury, which, IMO messed with Ana's head much more than the fact that she was number 1. I think she got so frustrated that she wasn't able to play as she wanted and defend her position, because of the injury, that it just messed with her head and made her at the same time obsessed with tennis and tired of it. A cocktail molotov ready to explode.. which it did.Yes,I agree that Dinara wasn't quite mentally ready for this pressure:sad:,but I'm hoping that,now that she's gotten #1 out of the way,she will eventually treat it as sort of a catharsis from the pressure.

I'll never be able to prove this...and I don't know if Ana would ever be that candid with us...but I suspect that,in addition to the injury and other factors you mentioned,Ana had a difficult period of introspection after winning RG and achieving #1...a sort of,"Is THIS all there is?I expected to be happier."---once the glow of victory wore off.I base this partly on her facial expressions and public statements following RG.Even at Wimbledon,I felt that she had a sort of lost,meandering look about her...as if she didn't know how to proceed now that she was on top....Anyhow,I'm optimistic with the new Kardon team and the fact that Ana is now owning up to weaknesses that she used to deny.

Also,even though they love the sport still,I'll bet you that SW and Vee will get tired of the nagging ailments that come with advancing athletic age.It would really open things up for Ana if Serena retired at the end of the year(though the sport would lose a true all-time legend).I'd like to see Ana beat her at least once before then,but I won't obsess over it...Ana would've stomped Henin one day,and she'll have a nice,clean win over SW if she hangs around long enough.Again,this is nOT hostility towards Serena;it's merely that victories such as these are special moments.

gaviotabr
Apr 8th, 2009, 11:43 PM
Serena won't retire any time soon.. she loves to play. Ana will have plenty of opportunities to play against her.

bruce goose
Apr 8th, 2009, 11:44 PM
:haha:

Bruce :wavey:

Abut GM I find that if you get involved in the discussions it gets to you, if you don't it becomes boring.:p. But it's like a million threads about how bad the WTA state is, what horrible n.1s we have, why is Dinara n.1... I mean Serena has 2 slams, 1 slam final, and Charleston, Dinara has a lot of TIs and 2 slam finals, so it's normal to be close. Still I would give less points to a slam finalist (like half of the winner).Hello Luca:wavey:;I have no idea whether such a thread even exists or not.I was just joking b/c GM haters are as stupid as Wile E.Coyote as he chases the Roadrunner.Even though I don't visit there,I see the thread titles when I log on to TF sometimes and just laugh,or sometimes I learn what's posted there from another of Ana's fans.Just like with Wile E.,you're not sure exactly what the GMer is gonna do to make an idiot of him/herself...but you KNOW it's gonna happen:lol:

gaviotabr
Apr 8th, 2009, 11:45 PM
Hello Luca:wavey:;I have no idea whether such a thread even exists or not.I was just joking b/c GM haters are as stupid as Wile E.Coyote as he chases the Roadrunner.Even though I don't visit there,I see the thread titles when I log on to TF sometimes and just laugh,or sometimes I learn what's posted there from another of Ana's fans.Just like with Wile E.,you're not sure exactly what the GMer is gonna do to make an idiot of him/herself...but you KNOW it's gonna happen:lol:

Oh! I actually thought there was such thread.. :lol:

bruce goose
Apr 8th, 2009, 11:48 PM
Serena won't retire any time soon.. she loves to play. Ana will have plenty of opportunities to play against her.Normally,I'd agree...but if she gets the kind of nagging injuries that cause her to lose to scrappy,second-and third-tier types such as Zakopalova(nothing personal,sweet Klara;)),then this substandard level of play would become intolerable for her.She couldn't be content with that

gaviotabr
Apr 8th, 2009, 11:50 PM
Normally,I'd agree...but if she gets the kind of nagging injuries that cause her to lose to scrappy,second-and third-tier types such as Zakopalova(nothing personal,sweet Klara;)),then this substandard level of play would become intolerable for her.She couldn't be content with that

Serena has had to deal with all kinds of injuries in her career.. she knows she will bounce back from it, and she knows how not to get frustrated by it. I'm pretty sure she will still be in the game a couple of years from now at least.

spiritedenergy
Apr 8th, 2009, 11:55 PM
yes there is a thread "who was the worst n.1 in the past 12 months?" and of course the winner is Ana:lol::rolleyes:

bruce goose
Apr 8th, 2009, 11:57 PM
Serena has had to deal with all kinds of injuries in her career.. she knows she will bounce back from it, and she knows how not to get frustrated by it. I'm pretty sure she will still be in the game a couple of years from now at least.Honestly,I'm not wishing this since it would deprive the sport of a great talent and also lead to naysaying against Ana(as Henin's retirement did).Indeed,it might be a couple years off,but these injuries are harder to deal with as an athlete ages....We'll see

gaviotabr
Apr 8th, 2009, 11:57 PM
yes there is a thread "who was the worst n.1 in the past 12 months?" and of course the winner is Ana:lol::rolleyes:

That's obviously a no brainer. I mean.. which negative poll in GM has Ana ever lost? :lol:

gaviotabr
Apr 9th, 2009, 12:01 AM
Honestly,I'm not wishing this since it would deprive the sport of a great talent and also lead to naysaying against Ana(as Henin's retirement did).Indeed,it might be a couple years off,but these injuries are harder to deal with as an athlete ages....We'll see

I don't think it would lead to any naysaying against Ana.. she played Serena only twice, and in both matches Serena played really well. Ana never played wobbling Serena.. like Azarenka or Zakopalova in the last 2 matches.

I have no powers to see the future, so I can only guess... my guess is that Serena is still very much into tennis, and she will deal with those injuries just fine. But sure.. we will see.

bruce goose
Apr 9th, 2009, 12:06 AM
I don't think it would lead to any naysaying against Ana.. she played Serena only twice, and in both matches Serena played really well. Ana never played wobbling Serena.. like Azarenka or Zakopalova in the last 2 matches.

I have no powers to see the future, so I can only guess... my guess is that Serena is still very much into tennis, and she will deal with those injuries just fine. But sure.. we will see.Btw,even though I've never voted in GM,if they ever have a poll for prettiest Brazilian Ana fan,I'll vote for YOU:smooch::angel:

gaviotabr
Apr 9th, 2009, 12:08 AM
Btw,even though I've never voted in GM,if they ever have a poll for prettiest Brazilian Ana fan,I'll vote for YOU:smooch::angel:

Oh Bruce! :hug: :kiss:

gaviotabr
Apr 9th, 2009, 12:18 AM
Back on topic..

I wonder if Ana is already practising on clay... and where.. I think we might have a diary entry in her web in the next few days.. let's see..

spiritedenergy
Apr 9th, 2009, 12:59 AM
Bruce please post that pic:lol::p

I have no idea, maybe in Maiorca? She'll play in Spain Fed Cup and then Rome... Or maybe back in Belgrade. But i guess she wants to use her new house in Maiorca...

bruce goose
Apr 9th, 2009, 01:09 AM
Bruce please post that pic:lol::p

I have no idea, maybe in Maiorca? She'll play in Spain Fed Cup and then Rome... Or maybe back in Belgrade. But i guess she wants to use her new house in Maiorca...It's spelled 'Mallorca',Luca;it's pronounced in Spanish as you spelled it phonetically in English...and she'll probably be with Craig wherever she's training.I certainly hope that he's willing to help her for Fed Cup purposes,but I don't know if most player/coach relationships include national team participation

Davodus
Apr 9th, 2009, 02:42 PM
there is so much time between now and when ana plays :sad:
i'm going to have withdrawals soon...i must be a sucker for punishment :lol:

Nikkiri
Apr 10th, 2009, 11:48 AM
I read somewhere that Ana might take a WC for Charleston still unconfirmed and I haven't been able to find a source.

Davodus
Apr 10th, 2009, 11:58 AM
oh really? that's interesting, i haven't heard that
it mightn't be a bad idea, we'll see

MM_1257
Apr 10th, 2009, 06:20 PM
That would be good, more matches - more practice in real situations. Training is not the same as playing a tournament. But sincerely I doubt she is going to play. IMHO she is on vacation now.

gaviotabr
Apr 10th, 2009, 08:39 PM
I read somewhere that Ana might take a WC for Charleston still unconfirmed and I haven't been able to find a source.

I highly doubt it. If Ana were to play Charleston we would already know for sure. The tournament starts this monday.

And her web had stated that Kardon would join Ana for the clay court season preparation in Europe. I agree with Maja that Ana probably took some holidays and will start practising on red clay in Europe in the next few days..

jelenacg
Apr 10th, 2009, 09:20 PM
Me too,but i`m really hoping she has already started practicing
She has many things to work on :)
It`s so boring without tennis right now,i watched half of JJ`s match today and i wasn`t very impressed :help::o
It will be very interesting against Spain in Fed Cup

gaviotabr
Apr 10th, 2009, 09:30 PM
Me too,but i`m really hoping she has already started practicing
She has many things to work on :)
It`s so boring without tennis right now,i watched half of JJ`s match today and i wasn`t very impressed :help::o
It will be very interesting against Spain in Fed Cup

Hi Jelena! :wavey:

I also hope Ana has already started practising.. especially her serve! I was just watching a bit of Ana's second set against Wozniacki at RG last year, and her serve was getting her so many free points. And no ball toss issues.. I still can't understand WTF happened with her serve, but she must get it back ASAP. IMO that's what's keeping her from playing better.

I saw that JJ had to gut out a win against Vinci. Now she gets Medina Garrigues right? It's a good Fed Cup preview.

jelenacg
Apr 10th, 2009, 09:47 PM
Hi Izzy :wavey:
In first set JJ was awful ,in second a little bit better and thank god i didn`t see the third:tape:
She is not near her best form and she kept looking at her box after every single mistake
The good thing is that the Spanish girls are not at their best also but they will have crowd on their side
Shaky JJ + Ana`s first match on clay = very interesting FC :rolleyes:

gaviotabr
Apr 10th, 2009, 09:50 PM
Hi Izzy :wavey:
In first set JJ was awful ,in second a little bit better and thank god i didn`t see the third:tape:
She is not near her best form and she kept looking at her box after every single mistake
The good thing is that the Spanish girls are not at their best also but they will have crowd on their side
Shaky JJ + Ana`s first match on clay = very interesting FC :rolleyes:

Yes.. who knows what might happen... :unsure:

I hope Ana has a good preparation period... :unsure:

jelenacg
Apr 10th, 2009, 09:58 PM
Yes.. who knows what might happen... :unsure:

I hope Ana has a good preparation period... :unsure:

Yes :unsure::bolt:
Good preparation please :hysteric::hysteric:
I really wont them to win there bc it will help their confidence but did Ana ever play a match where everybody were against her :o
I hope FC cheering is a less intense than DC

MM_1257
Apr 10th, 2009, 10:00 PM
Knowing Anci, she is going to be a little rusty on the Fed Cup, you know she needs some matches to start well (better like that than risk at RG :scared:), but don't you guys loose all the hope for Fed Cup, team Serbia might surprise in a very positive and pleasant way ;).

Yes, I hope she is training, too. We shall see, long time nothing from Ana on her site, maybe we will soon find out something.

Te toss issue - I have no idea when it started to be a bigger problem, but I remember very well some tennis experts commenting it that during F RG 07 she had some problems, that is when she gets nervous, she has the toss all over the place. Now with the injury and all the mess up and to add the nervousness - here we go - bad ball toss. And that adds more frustration in her.

Don't know, we shall see how will things go on ;).

gaviotabr
Apr 10th, 2009, 10:07 PM
Yes :unsure::bolt:
Good preparation please :hysteric::hysteric:
I really wont them to win there bc it will help their confidence but did Ana ever play a match where everybody were against her :o
I hope FC cheering is a less intense than DC

The court at Lleida can only take 1800 people.. so it won't be that bad, I think. Still.. Ana always has the crowd cheering for her, so it will be a new experience.

The most important thing is for her to play good tennis.. I'm curious to see. Watching the RG vídeos, Ana's movement on clay is a sight to see.. so smooth. I hope she never loses that.

jelenacg
Apr 10th, 2009, 10:21 PM
Hi Maja :wavey:
Her movement on clay is incredible
During Del Potro-Rafa`s match i saw that Del Potro also had a few bad ball tosses,strangely how you start paying attention to some things :):)
She can be rusty all she wants in FC but her serve must work :)

gaviotabr
Apr 10th, 2009, 10:28 PM
Hi Maja :wavey:
Her movement on clay is incredible
During Del Potro-Rafa`s match i saw that Del Potro also had a few bad ball tosses,strangely how you start paying attention to some things :):)
She can be rusty all she wants in FC but her serve must work :)

How Ana slides on clay and hits her shots at the same time is beautiful. Watching the vídeos though, I think her shots lost some weight and speed. Not only the serve, but also her forehand. She was hitting such heavy balls at RG last year, they were literally flying off her racquet and painting the lines.

I'm really curious to see how she will play on clay this year.. how Kardon's coaching will affect that.. he doesn't strike me as a coach who likes clay..

I agree about the serve. She needs to get it working again.

jelenacg
Apr 10th, 2009, 10:37 PM
How Ana slides on clay and hits her shots at the same time is beautiful. Watching the vídeos though, I think her shots lost some weight and speed. Not only the serve, but also her forehand. She was hitting such heavy balls at RG last year, they were literally flying off her racquet and painting the lines.

I'm really curious to see how she will play on clay this year.. how Kardon's coaching will affect that.. he doesn't strike me as a coach who likes clay..

I agree about the serve. She needs to get it working again.

Confidence :worship::worship:
I`m also very interested to see Kardon`s coaching on clay

gaviotabr
Apr 10th, 2009, 10:45 PM
Confidence :worship::worship:
I`m also very interested to see Kardon`s coaching on clay

I hope it's only confidence and not grip related. I had worlds of trouble when I changed grips, and I'm not a pro.

I was actually reading a column in a dutch tennis web, written by Sven. He talks about preparing his players for the clay court season, and gives 100 tips and even an exercise vídeo. :lol: He mentions Ana briefly, saying that he advises his players to get their ankles tapped to play on clay, and that Ana always does it.

My friend Blahar from Ana's web told me that Kardon's players have success on clay, but I mostly see them having success on grass and hard courts from my own researches. I hope he can maximize Ana's strengths on the surface, not attempt to change them too much. Ana is a natural mover on clay, and the hitting zone plays well to her. The serve needs the most improvement.. I hope he gets his focus a little on that.

spiritedenergy
Apr 10th, 2009, 10:45 PM
Ana please play well on clay, at least on clay:sobbing:

gaviotabr
Apr 10th, 2009, 10:52 PM
Ana please play well on clay, at least on clay:sobbing:

Hi Luca! :wavey:

C'mon Ana! It's clay! :sobbing:

spiritedenergy
Apr 10th, 2009, 10:58 PM
Hi Luca! :wavey:

C'mon Ana! It's clay! :sobbing:

Hi Isabela, Jelena, Maya and everyone :wavey:

we must try to be positive somehow... Ana lost something on her serve, the power of her shots, confidence, but she gained in fitness. Fitness may be very important on clay. :p

jelenacg
Apr 10th, 2009, 11:00 PM
Hi Luca! :wavey:

C'mon Ana! It's clay! :sobbing:

:lol::lol:
Ajde Ana it`s only your favorite surface :) and how hard can it be to toss the ball properly :lol:

MM_1257
Apr 10th, 2009, 11:40 PM
How Ana slides on clay and hits her shots at the same time is beautiful. Watching the vídeos though, I think her shots lost some weight and speed. Not only the serve, but also her forehand. She was hitting such heavy balls at RG last year, they were literally flying off her racquet and painting the lines.

I'm really curious to see how she will play on clay this year.. how Kardon's coaching will affect that.. he doesn't strike me as a coach who likes clay..

I agree about the serve. She needs to get it working again.


Yes, indeed. Her shots did loose some weight and speed, I think because of the injury but I see it also as a part of her natural development as a player; I remember reading some reports from the beginning of 2008 saying she didn't have that weight in her shoots like she did in 2007. Unfortunately I don't remember where I saw that. :(

Ana_forever
Apr 12th, 2009, 12:32 PM
Serbian team for Fed Cup?

DownTheLine21
Apr 12th, 2009, 08:11 PM
Ana will play well on clay. I don't want to get everyone's hopes up with my expectations (which are probably greater than most), but, at the very least, I know that Ana won't embarrass herself or her ranking.

gaviotabr
Apr 13th, 2009, 01:58 AM
Ana will play well on clay. I don't want to get everyone's hopes up with my expectations (which are probably greater than most), but, at the very least, I know that Ana won't embarrass herself or her ranking.

I hope you are right. Ana needs a very good clay court season to keep herself in the top 10.

I suppose Ana is already practising on clay. Hopefully it will be a great preparation period and she will come back rocking the clay.

On a side note, today I went to a Adidas store in a mall here and saw a couple of poster pictures of Ana. It was nice.. :lol: The pictures were from the "Me, Myself" campain.

bruce goose
Apr 13th, 2009, 02:08 AM
On a side note, today I went to a Adidas store in a mall here and saw a couple of poster pictures of Ana. It was nice.. :lol: The pictures were from the "Me, Myself" campain.Not long ago,I read somewhere that even beautiful geniuses can be prone to spelling mistakes when they deprive themselves of sleep past midnight to do stuff such as,say...posting in a tennis forum;)....It's "CampaiGn" with a silent 'g':p

Glad to see that Brazilian sports fans aren't letting the TF Likes/Dislikes Einstein GM thread influence their fanship of Ana:)

gaviotabr
Apr 13th, 2009, 02:20 AM
Not long ago,I read somewhere that even beautiful geniuses can be prone to spelling mistakes when they deprive themselves of sleep past midnight to do stuff such as,say...posting in a tennis forum;)....It's "CampaiGn" with a silent 'g':p

Glad to see that Brazilian sports fans aren't letting the TF Likes/Dislikes Einstein GM thread influence their fanship of Ana:)

Hi Bruce! Thanks for the correction! ;) Campaign! :p

bruce goose
Apr 13th, 2009, 02:36 AM
Hi Bruce! Thanks for the correction! ;) Campaign! :p:smooch:De nada....Italian men are well reputed to be much like Mexican males...so I'm sure that Ana is TREMENDOUSLY popular in Italy.......so long as all the women don't hate her;)

bruce goose
Apr 13th, 2009, 06:44 AM
We already know that JJ,twice a SF at RG,is a legitimate threat to Ana on clay,and this week's other winner was Caro...who definitely doesn't seem to be struggling with raised expectations.Didn't see her matches,but she fought off FOUR match points vs. Vesnina...and then followed up that marathon semifinal win by easily destroying Wozniak--who knows Caro well from playing doubles with her as a junior--in the final.She reportedly has a less-than-killer serve,yet that hurts a lot less on clay...will be interested to learn if she's ready for an upward Top 10 move as Ana made in 2007.....

jonnyroyale_13
Apr 13th, 2009, 07:21 AM
We already know that JJ,twice a SF at RG,is a legitimate threat to Ana on clay,and this week's other winner was Caro...who definitely doesn't seem to be struggling with raised expectations.Didn't see her matches,but she fought off FOUR match points vs. Vesnina...and then followed up that marathon semifinal win by easily destroying Wozniak--who knows Caro well from playing doubles with her as a junior--in the final.She reportedly has a less-than-killer serve,yet that hurts a lot less on clay...will be interested to learn if she's ready for an upward Top 10 move as Ana made in 2007.....

She will probably rise to number one as soon as i say this, but i dont think Caroline will go much higher than 8 for at least another year. There are too many top players that im not convinced she could handle, even if she played her best vs their average. Well done to her for beating Wozniak for a title, but..its Wozniak! Caroline has to win that one.:p

jelenacg
Apr 13th, 2009, 12:42 PM
Wozniacki needs more power in her game .I don`t think she will make great result st RG but she can do better than last year when she lost in R3 to Ana
I didn`t see Marbella final so i don`t know how Carla and JJ played but i`m pretty sure JJ is not going to defend her title in Rome

Davodus
Apr 13th, 2009, 01:24 PM
Wozniacki needs more power in her game .I don`t think she will make great result st RG but she can do better than last year when she lost in R3 to Ana
I didn`t see Marbella final so i don`t know how Carla and JJ played but i`m pretty sure JJ is not going to defend her title in Rome

if she plays like she did in that final, she has no chance of defending rome

she was ok, but she basically waited for CSN's errors...when they came jankovic won, when they didnt she lost :shrug:

jelenacg
Apr 13th, 2009, 04:26 PM
Not to mention that Rome is now first big tournament on clay and everybody wants to do well there unlike last years when Rome was the last one ,just before RG

Davodus
Apr 13th, 2009, 04:29 PM
yep exactly, its wide open this year i reckon

gaviotabr
Apr 13th, 2009, 06:39 PM
I don't think Wozniacki poses any threat. She doesn't have a killer forehand (like Ana), or a killer backhand (like JJ) or a killer serve (like the Williams x2) .. she can't be agressive out of both wings (like Safina or Azarenka), or hit high pace groundstrokes all day (like Dementieva), or be crafty (like Zvonareva). She is just a very steady player, who can run down a lot of balls. If she faces someone agressive, whose balls are landing in, she doesn't stand much of a chance IMO. And she is not a natural clay mover. Actually in Ponte Vedra she should have lost to Vesnina. The fact that she saved 4 match points had a lot more to do with Vesnina choking than with her suddenly playing corageous tennis.

Ana shouldn't have problems against players like Caro. The thing is.. if Ana is in her UEs mode, she will have problems against anyone, she will lose to herself (Serena style). Ana needs to be agressive, but keep her shots inside the court.

gaviotabr
Apr 13th, 2009, 06:44 PM
if she plays like she did in that final, she has no chance of defending rome

she was ok, but she basically waited for CSN's errors...when they came jankovic won, when they didnt she lost :shrug:

That is true. The match was decided by CSN's errors. But.. JJ is getting back to her confort zone.. her game has always been to draw errors from her opponents. If her opponent's shots are all landing in and being agressive, she will most likely lose. It's like the third set of the RG semi. Ana had a mental walkabout in the second set and started to miss every second shot. When she found her range again and started to hit winner after winner, there was no way JJ could turn it around.

Jankovic always plays well in Rome though.. so I think we can't just say she has no chance of defending the title. She will be a contender.. but I agree that it will be harder this year. Everyone in the top 10, except Dementieva, will be playing Rome. It will be a very strong and interesting tournament. I hope Ana can finally do well there.

jelenacg
Apr 13th, 2009, 07:07 PM
JJ always depends on her opponents errors but she did beat Carla last year at RG very easy and in two sets as i remember
She played more aggressive game last year and that was the reason why Ana lost that second set
Third set totally depended on Ana and when she started playing better she won
Carla didn`t have a great season so far except that match against Venus so i don`t think she is playing better this season
So that means JJ isn`t near her best and that`s why i think she won`t defend her title but of course she still has a chance

DownTheLine21
Apr 14th, 2009, 01:34 AM
Jankovic wasn't that impressive in the Marbella final. The victory will obviously give her confidence, but I honestly expected CSN to take the final set to 5-all or a tie break.

jonnyroyale_13
Apr 14th, 2009, 08:03 AM
Actually in Ponte Vedra she should have lost to Vesnina. The fact that she saved 4 match points had a lot more to do with Vesnina choking than with her suddenly playing corageous tennis.


I just finished watching this match and all i can say about that third set is..
:lol::eek::tape::help::o:confused::weirdo::yawn: :bigclap:
:drink::unsure::sad::bowdown::awww: :spit::scared::explode:

Ive always wanted to see Ana smash a racket or at least throw one. But then after seeing a match like this, im glad Ana's only got the positive emotions.

jelenacg
Apr 14th, 2009, 12:46 PM
I just finished watching this match and all i can say about that third set is..
:lol::eek::tape::help::o:confused::weirdo::yawn: :bigclap:
:drink::unsure::sad::bowdown::awww: :spit::scared::explode:

Ive always wanted to see Ana smash a racket or at least throw one. But then after seeing a match like this, im glad Ana's only got the positive emotions.

:lol:
Now i want to see that match :angel:
I read on Ana`s website this : Most embarrassing moment in tennis is when she took another player's racket bag onto court after mistaking it for her own:lol:

jonnyroyale_13
Apr 14th, 2009, 10:41 PM
:lol:
Now i want to see that match :angel:
I read on Ana`s website this : Most embarrassing moment in tennis is when she took another player's racket bag onto court after mistaking it for her own:lol:

:lol: i didnt know about that.
If it was Vera Dushevina's bag she could call it the dush-bag.:p

BuTtErFrEnA
Apr 15th, 2009, 02:13 AM
ok so how does this work...where are rome and madrid in relation to last year, and when do berlin points come off?

gaviotabr
Apr 15th, 2009, 02:44 AM
ok so how does this work...where are rome and madrid in relation to last year, and when do berlin points come off?

Berlin 2008 points come off the week of Rome. And Rome 2008 points come off the week of Madrid. Ana only has 390 points to defend from the semis in Berlin last year.

SOA_MC
Apr 15th, 2009, 04:49 PM
We are going to Rome :bounce: very very slowly :(

Rome is taking forever :rolleyes:

Number1
Apr 15th, 2009, 04:55 PM
:lol:
Now i want to see that match :angel:
I read on Ana`s website this : Most embarrassing moment in tennis is when she took another player's racket bag onto court after mistaking it for her own:lol:

ahaha how cute :hearts:

i miss Ana!

DownTheLine21
Apr 15th, 2009, 05:46 PM
Berlin 2008 points come off the week of Rome. And Rome 2008 points come off the week of Madrid. Ana only has 390 points to defend from the semis in Berlin last year.

Yeah. Barring any major hiccups, she shouldn't lose any points during this period, and will hopefully gain some.

BuTtErFrEnA
Apr 15th, 2009, 06:43 PM
Berlin 2008 points come off the week of Rome. And Rome 2008 points come off the week of Madrid. Ana only has 390 points to defend from the semis in Berlin last year.

ohhhh thanks :D

yea i agree audio...rome is taking forever :lol: i needs me some ana!!

BuTtErFrEnA
Apr 15th, 2009, 06:55 PM
Yeah. Barring any major hiccups, she shouldn't lose any points during this period, and will hopefully gain some.

:scared: i hope so...but i'm more worried about defending RG, but one step at a time :)

spiritedenergy
Apr 16th, 2009, 06:10 AM
I.D.E.M.O. Ana:bounce::p

jonnyroyale_13
Apr 16th, 2009, 06:31 PM
The points to defend dont mean a whole lot right now to me. When she gets her game back she'll get her points back as well. Once the year is complete, and the new points have all been divvied out, it will be a better picture. Right now its new points system on top of the old, and changes happen fast. In 2005 and 2006, she was playing no worse than now(IMO), but could never crack the top 10. This year, yet to have a really solid match, but shes right up there in the hunt for the YEC. Just a few things going right and thats all its taken.
Theres a long way to go on this year still anyway. At this time in 2007 she was ranked #17, and not off to a spectacular start. 7 months later, she was #4. There are some similarities in the results to start that year with this year.
She lost her game at the end of clay season last year. Maybe she left her game laying around here somewhere on the clay. Hopefully it will be as easy as stepping on the clay and saying, 'oh there it is', and then never losing it again.:angel:

gaviotabr
Apr 16th, 2009, 07:08 PM
The points to defend dont mean a whole lot right now to me. When she gets her game back she'll get her points back as well. Once the year is complete, and the new points have all been divvied out, it will be a better picture. Right now its new points system on top of the old, and changes happen fast. In 2005 and 2006, she was playing no worse than now(IMO), but could never crack the top 10. This year, yet to have a really solid match, but shes right up there in the hunt for the YEC. Just a few things going right and thats all its taken.
Theres a long way to go on this year still anyway. At this time in 2007 she was ranked #17, and not off to a spectacular start. 7 months later, she was #4. There are some similarities in the results to start that year with this year.
She lost her game at the end of clay season last year. Maybe she left her game laying around here somewhere on the clay. Hopefully it will be as easy as stepping on the clay and saying, 'oh there it is', and then never losing it again.:angel:

You are right Jonny. But as much as a great clay court season took Ana to the top 10 in 2007, only a great clay court season can keep her inside the top 10 this year after Roland Garros. It all comes down to how she will be playing on clay...

jelenacg
Apr 16th, 2009, 07:49 PM
Sabine Lisicki just beat Venus and she was fist pumping all the time:lol::lol:
So i guess if she starts making good results haters will have one more person to hate :lol:
BTW i`m impressed how well Lisicki played and she is only 19 yo
I don`t remember watching her play ,is she good ?
Maybe she can do well on clay this season

DownTheLine21
Apr 16th, 2009, 07:53 PM
You are right Jonny. But as much as a great clay court season took Ana to the top 10 in 2007, only a great clay court season can keep her inside the top 10 this year after Roland Garros. It all comes down to how she will be playing on clay...

Yes. But her clay season will keep her in the top 10. After that, she's basically able add points for the rest of the year.

SOA_MC
Apr 16th, 2009, 08:53 PM
Sabine Lisicki just beat Venus and she was fist pumping all the time:lol::lol:
So i guess if she starts making good results haters will have one more person to hate :lol:
BTW i`m impressed how well Lisicki played and she is only 19 yo
I don`t remember watching her play ,is she good ?
Maybe she can do well on clay this season

She is one of Nick Bollettieri's super hyped golden girls like Pova and Vaidisova once were, she has multi-year deal with Adidas she sign last year

She was fistpumping away at the Hopman Cup earlier this year, but nobody cared then and probably won't care untill she gets inside the top 20, since for now she is the GM bandwagon star of the week :worship:

gaviotabr
Apr 16th, 2009, 09:48 PM
Yes. But her clay season will keep her in the top 10. After that, she's basically able add points for the rest of the year.

I hope you are right and Ana has a great clay season. And sure.. after that, she can only add points.

gaviotabr
Apr 16th, 2009, 09:49 PM
She is one of Nick Bollettieri's super hyped golden girls like Pova and Vaidisova once were, she has multi-year deal with Adidas she sign last year

She was fistpumping away at the Hopman Cup earlier this year, but nobody cared then and probably won't care untill she gets inside the top 20, since for now she is the GM bandwagon star of the week :worship:

Oh GM! The bandwagon forum! :lol:

BuTtErFrEnA
Apr 17th, 2009, 01:40 PM
:topic: i finally joined ana's forum! but when is rome :sobbing: i miss ana!!


and you guys know that once sabine gets inside the top, gets consistent and starts being a consistent threat to people's faves then she's not cute, she's, well, ana :lol:

jonnyroyale_13
Apr 17th, 2009, 04:58 PM
Rome is still a ways off, first full week of May.
But look on the bright side, she'll be playing almost every week in May and June.:yeah:

gaviotabr
Apr 17th, 2009, 09:04 PM
Ana has a new diary up in her web. She mostly talks about easter in Serbia, but she also says that she has had a good transition from hard courts to clay and enjoys working with Kardon. So at least we know she has been practising..

Rome can't come soon enough.. I have total Ana withdrawal... :lol:

spiritedenergy
Apr 17th, 2009, 09:36 PM
Ana has a new diary up in her web. She mostly talks about easter in Serbia, but she also says that she has had a good transition from hard courts to clay and enjoys working with Kardon. So at least we know she has been practising..

Rome can't come soon enough.. I have total Ana withdrawal... :lol:

Hi Isabela:wavey:

I like the battle of the eggs:lol:. To color boiled eggs it's an Orthodox tradition, they do it in Russia also. I love Orthodox religion:kiss:

jonnyroyale_13
Apr 17th, 2009, 11:56 PM
8 paragraphs, 4 related to tennis, 4 related to coloring eggs. She has no trouble giving great details about coloring eggs, but in the tennis paragraphs, nothing we dont already know!:shrug::lol::hug:

The Daviator
Apr 18th, 2009, 12:06 AM
Should have played Charleston Ana :smash:

She's so sweet with her eggs :awww: One week til she's back playing :D

hellas719
Apr 18th, 2009, 12:16 AM
Go Ana!

gaviotabr
Apr 19th, 2009, 02:07 PM
Should have played Charleston Ana :smash:

Definetely. The draw for Charleston was a big :o this year. Some free points are always nice. I know people are going to say I'm worring too much about ranking and her game is the most important thing.. true. But I don't want Ana to be out of the top 10. And I'm not even thinking about the draw for Wimbledon, posibly having Venus for the 4th round. We all know draws mean nothing to Ana, though I would rather her to face someone else in a 4th round. Right now Wozniacki, Azarenka and Petrova have almost 1000 more safe points than Ana. Radwanska, Kuzzy and Pennetta also have more safe points, but the difference is not so big.

I hope Ana can have a great clay season.. I just don't know.. I'm not so sure about Kardon as a clay coach. I watched a bit of Wozniacki x Dementieva yesterday and even though I still think the match was entirely in Dementieva's racquet and she just had too many UEs, and considering green clay and red clay are totally different, I think Wozniacki has benefited from Sven's coaching on clay. He sure knows how to make his players perform on the surface.

I guess we can only wait and see... next week we will have some idea of Ana's clay game this season with her Fed Cup matches. And then getting good results in Rome AND Madrid should be something she gets determined to do before RG.

Davodus
Apr 19th, 2009, 04:26 PM
i worry about her ranking too :sad:
i don't want her out of the top 10 either! and she needs a great clay season for that

kardon seems to like offensive, come forward play...which may not be great for clay, but I don't know how he coaches for it, so we will wait and see

gaviotabr
Apr 19th, 2009, 04:58 PM
i worry about her ranking too :sad:
i don't want her out of the top 10 either! and she needs a great clay season for that

kardon seems to like offensive, come forward play...which may not be great for clay, but I don't know how he coaches for it, so we will wait and see

At least I'm not alone in this! Thanks for the support! ;)

You are right.. we should wait and see.. As I said, we can have some idea in the Fed Cup matches, though Rome and Madrid will be the test of fire. I hope we can get a livestream for Fed Cup!

Davodus
Apr 19th, 2009, 05:07 PM
oh a livestream would certainly be too much to ask for :lol: it will be a good test for her and will definitely give us an idea of her clay form, because she will come up against a tough, clay court player, especially in medina garrigues
i'm certainly hopeful of good form...we will see
i will wait nervously :lol:

spiritedenergy
Apr 19th, 2009, 05:55 PM
Definetely. The draw for Charleston was a big :o this year. Some free points are always nice. I know people are going to say I'm worring too much about ranking and her game is the most important thing.. true. But I don't want Ana to be out of the top 10. And I'm not even thinking about the draw for Wimbledon, posibly having Venus for the 4th round. We all know draws mean nothing to Ana, though I would rather her to face someone else in a 4th round. Right now Wozniacki, Azarenka and Petrova have almost 1000 more safe points than Ana. Radwanska, Kuzzy and Pennetta also have more safe points, but the difference is not so big.

I hope Ana can have a great clay season.. I just don't know.. I'm not so sure about Kardon as a clay coach. I watched a bit of Wozniacki x Dementieva yesterday and even though I still think the match was entirely in Dementieva's racquet and she just had too many UEs, and considering green clay and red clay are totally different, I think Wozniacki has benefited from Sven's coaching on clay. He sure knows how to make his players perform on the surface.

I guess we can only wait and see... next week we will have some idea of Ana's clay game this season with her Fed Cup matches. And then getting good results in Rome AND Madrid should be something she gets determined to do before RG.

Hi Isabela :wavey:, my thought exactly:p. About Charleston, its green clay and it showed to be dangerous with Zvonareva's injury, so I would have rather had Ana play Marbella (MM but in red clay and Spain), even though i think there was no room for another top-10 payer (stupid rules here:o)

Davodus
Apr 19th, 2009, 06:10 PM
^^ she could have played barcelona this week
fed cup is in spain, good practice? :p

spiritedenergy
Apr 19th, 2009, 06:14 PM
^^ she could have played barcelona this week
fed cup is in spain, good practice? :p

Davodus:wavey:

could have she played by the rules?:p

gaviotabr
Apr 19th, 2009, 06:20 PM
Hi Isabela :wavey:, my thought exactly:p. About Charleston, its green clay and it showed to be dangerous with Zvonareva's injury, so I would have rather had Ana play Marbella (MM but in red clay and Spain), even though i think there was no room for another top-10 payer (stupid rules here:o)

Ana can't play any MM tournaments until after Wimbledon. She can only play one in each half of the year and she already played Brisbane.

You are right about green clay. It seems that Zvonareva hurt her ankle pretty badly, which is always a real bummer. I hate to see any player get hurt.

Ana could play Stuttgart.. but then it might be too much to play 3 tournaments in a row before RG.

spiritedenergy
Apr 19th, 2009, 06:23 PM
Ana can't play any MM tournaments until after Wimbledon. She can only play one in each half of the year and she already played Brisbane.

You are right about green clay. It seems that Zvonareva hurt her ankle pretty badly, which is always a real bummer. I hate to see any player get hurt.

Ana could play Stuttgart.. but then it might be too much to play 3 tournaments in a row before RG.

I see... I think this is very unfair though, i.e. players out of top 10 like Wozniacki have an unfair advantage on someone who was inside, like Radwasnka... But anywyas Ana doesn't like to play MM, but playing Marbella or Barcelona could have been helpful to find her form.

gaviotabr
Apr 19th, 2009, 06:27 PM
I see... I think this is very unfair though, i.e. players out of top 10 like Wozniacki have an unfair advantage on someone who was inside, like Radwasnka... But anywyas Ana doesn't like to play MM, but playing Marbella or Barcelona could have been helpful to find her form.

Definitely. Don't you remember that Radwanska complained about this? She was pissed that she couldn't get into the tournaments she wanted because she was just inside of the top 10 and even said it was better not to be.

You are right again.. Ana doesn't like to play MM tournaments anyway..

Davodus
Apr 19th, 2009, 06:29 PM
oh well if that is the case, i am glad she picked brisbane, since that is where i live and I got her autograph there :lol:

spiritedenergy
Apr 19th, 2009, 06:31 PM
I really want her to do well on clay, it's my favorite part of the year, please Ana win:sobbing:.

However i highly doubt she'll win RG:sad:... I read Dementieva said "I have to peak at a GS, no matter what", that's the right mindset, determination is the first thing. I think she's the favorite there (along with JJ).

gaviotabr
Apr 19th, 2009, 06:31 PM
oh well if that is the case, i am glad she picked brisbane, since that is where i live and I got her autograph there :lol:

:lol:

You got lucky!

spiritedenergy
Apr 19th, 2009, 06:32 PM
oh well if that is the case, i am glad she picked brisbane, since that is where i live and I got her autograph there :lol:

:eek: You are so lucky:o :p

DownTheLine21
Apr 19th, 2009, 06:33 PM
oh well if that is the case, i am glad she picked brisbane, since that is where i live and I got her autograph there :lol:

You're lucky. I've been to the same tournament as Ana for years, and have yet to see her play, let alone meet her.

gaviotabr
Apr 19th, 2009, 06:34 PM
I really want her to do well on clay, it's my favorite part of the year, please Ana win:sobbing:.

However i highly doubt she'll win RG:sad:... I read Dementieva said "I have to peak at a GS, no matter what", that's the right mindset, determination is the first thing. I think she's the favorite there (along with JJ).

I agree about the determination thing and I'm also not very confident about RG. But I don't think there are any favorites for the French Open. JJ didn't look so good in Marbella and Dementieva was an UEs machine against Wozniacki yesterday. They can definitely go and win it.. but so can other players.. there are just no favorites.

DownTheLine21
Apr 19th, 2009, 06:35 PM
Lisicki's great serve reminds of Ana's clay court serve circa 2007. How the mighty have fallen!

gaviotabr
Apr 19th, 2009, 06:37 PM
Lisicki's great serve reminds of Ana's clay court serve circa 2007. How the mighty have fallen!

Oh! Ana's old serve! Where is it? :sobbing:

spiritedenergy
Apr 19th, 2009, 06:38 PM
I agree about the determination thing and I'm also not very confident about RG. But I don't think there are any favorites for the French Open. JJ didn't look so good in Marbella and Dementieva was an UEs machine against Wozniacki yesterday. They can definitely go and win it.. but so can other players.. there are just no favorites.

Yes but do you remember Ana last year in Berlin and Rome? Then she found her groove... Dementieva is n.3 and is the most confident she's ever been, i think this is her last chance of winning a GS, and she probably knows it. JJ is always a threat on clay, and when there are no favorites even more. Somehow I think Safina and the WS won't win it.

DownTheLine21
Apr 19th, 2009, 06:39 PM
Oh! Ana's old serve! Where is it? :sobbing:

I don't know. It hasn't been around for a while. Do you remember when she was at the top of the ace leader board at RG 2007?

gaviotabr
Apr 19th, 2009, 06:39 PM
Yes but do you remember Ana last year in Berlin and Rome? Then she found her groove... Dementieva is n.3 and is the most confident she's ever been, i think this is her last chance of winning a GS, and she probably knows it. JJ is always a threat on clay, and when there are no favorites even more. Somehow I think Safina and the WS won't win it.

They can win it Luca, that's for sure. I just don't think we can point them out as favorites.. in my opinion anyway could do it.

gaviotabr
Apr 19th, 2009, 06:40 PM
I don't know. It hasn't been around for a while. Do you remember when she was at the top of the ace leader board at RG 2007?

Yes! She had like 32 aces in RG 2007! Good old days! :sobbing:

DownTheLine21
Apr 19th, 2009, 06:40 PM
However i highly doubt she'll win RG:sad:... I read Dementieva said "I have to peak at a GS, no matter what", that's the right mindset, determination is the first thing. I think she's the favorite there (along with JJ).

Why do you doubt Ana so much? We haven't even seen her play on clay yet. Last year, her pre-RG results certainly left something to be desired. I remember that even some of her fans here told me I was crazy for predicting her to win.

spiritedenergy
Apr 19th, 2009, 06:45 PM
Why do you doubt Ana so much? We haven't even seen her play on clay yet. Last year, her pre-RG results certainly left something to be desired. I remember that even some of her fans here told me I was crazy for predicting her to win.

For statistical reasons:p. Final-Win-Win would be too much, like the new Justine. I just don't think Ana has it in her... yet.:p

jonnyroyale_13
Apr 21st, 2009, 05:24 AM
Lisicki's great serve reminds of Ana's clay court serve circa 2007. How the mighty have fallen!

I can see it. I was just watching that Charleston final and it reminded me a little of Ana banging away on Hingis in her first big one, the Montreal final. Not player comparisons (i remember a few years ago people made Wozniacki-Hingis comparisons) just the matches i compare.

Protoss
Apr 21st, 2009, 07:23 AM
Yes! She had like 32 aces in RG 2007! Good old days! :sobbing:
Dang...that's a lot.

What makes a serve so effective on clay?

Davodus
Apr 21st, 2009, 10:11 AM
You're lucky. I've been to the same tournament as Ana for years, and have yet to see her play, let alone meet her.

there hasn't been one year i haven't seen her during her australian campaign since 2005 :p

gaviotabr
Apr 22nd, 2009, 02:24 AM
Dang...that's a lot.

What makes a serve so effective on clay?

Yes.. Ana's serve was on fire during RG 2007. Up until the semis she had the most aces of anyone, more than the men.

I think what might make a serve more effective on clay is the placement. It's not so much about speed, though Ana had her serves consistently at 115 mph +, since clay slows the ball a lot after it touches ground. Venus, for an example, has a great serve that does wonders in hard and grass, but it's not so effective on clay because it's more about pace than placement. She sometimes hits the serve in the middle of the service box, but it's so fast that it's still a serve that will win her points. On clay, the ball slows down enough for that not to happen. The placement and effect (like the slice) make the serve more effective on clay, IMO.

bad_angel_109
Apr 22nd, 2009, 08:17 AM
ajde ana! :D we we come to the lead up of her title defense at RG :bounce:

Davodus
Apr 22nd, 2009, 09:06 AM
Yes.. Ana's serve was on fire during RG 2007. Up until the semis she had the most aces of anyone, more than the men.

I think what might make a serve more effective on clay is the placement. It's not so much about speed, though Ana had her serves consistently at 115 mph +, since clay slows the ball a lot after it touches ground. Venus, for an example, has a great serve that does wonders in hard and grass, but it's not so effective on clay because it's more about pace than placement. She sometimes hits the serve in the middle of the service box, but it's so fast that it's still a serve that will win her points. On clay, the ball slows down enough for that not to happen. The placement and effect (like the slice) make the serve more effective on clay, IMO.

same with topspin serve
the kick serve out wide to 2nd and down the middle to first court jumps up right above the shoulder or even the head, making it hard for anyone to return
i particularly love ana's kick serve out wide to 2nd court that jumps away :hearts: its awesome, and she wins so many points with it...IF her serve is working

jonnyroyale_13
Apr 22nd, 2009, 10:59 PM
same with topspin serve
the kick serve out wide to 2nd and down the middle to first court jumps up right above the shoulder or even the head, making it hard for anyone to return
i particularly love ana's kick serve out wide to 2nd court that jumps away :hearts: its awesome, and she wins so many points with it...IF her serve is working

Ive got a question for whoever wants it:)- is there a psychological difference serving up the middle from one side for a righty than the other, and what about the effectiveness going up the middle from one side or the other?
I just watch tennis, but the way ive always seen it, it seems serving up the middle to the ad court for a righty with some pop(like Ana;)) would be the easier side to hit an ace because of the movement on the ball, but you would have less margin for error because missing and hitting more of a body serve will give them an easier ball to crush... from the deuce side you have more margin for error because if you miss the T without faulting it would be a more effective body serve and jam them more. So to me it always seems it might be psychologically easier to serve up the middle to the deuce court, but easier to hit an ace into the ad court. Any truth to any of that, or whats the real deal?

Davodus
Apr 23rd, 2009, 06:31 AM
^^i think that technically, the serve up the middle to 2nd court, the ad court, is an easier serve to hit for a right hander. The serve down the middle to the deuce side is harder technically.
In reference to the margin for error, they are both over the lowest part of the net, so in that sense it is easier...and what you are saying is right, and particularly in the case of a second serve. If you go for down the middle to the ad side on a second serve, it can spin right into the slot for the returner to hit a good shot, where as down the middle to the deuce side can become an effective body serve...however if you go for a body serve and stuff it up, you set up the returner to have an easy middle of the box forehand.

Acing...i think that just depends on the player. Down the middle to the ad court and out wide to the deuce court are the easiest ace serves because they are the most natural, but i think also down the middle to the deuce court will give a lot of aces, because you produce the most pace of any serve with that one. Out wide to 2nd is the hardest ace to hit

I think i answered your questions :lol:

jonnyroyale_13
Apr 24th, 2009, 07:06 AM
I think i answered your questions :lol:

yeah:yeah:, good stuff. For me some players are easier to pay attention to what they are doing on serve than others, since i never played myself i sometimes miss some subtleties of the sport. Ana used to be one that her serving was so easy to watch, now im not so sure she knows with that ball toss where shes going to serve.:tape: Venus Williams is probably the easiest to watch everything she is doing with her serving over a whole match, i think.

bruce goose
Apr 25th, 2009, 11:50 PM
This might not have much effect on Ana unless she planned on choking on clay(FAR less likely,thankfully)...according to the schedule listed on the tourney webpage,women's qualifying begins on Friday and ends on Sunday when the main draw begins play.However,there are eight qualifiers who make the MD so,presumably,only TWO rounds of qualies instead of three.This seems to indicate that they'll play half of the first 16 qualy matches on Friday and the other half on Saturday before establishing the final eight admittees on Sunday.I haven't seen this format used before...nothing wrong with it,I suppose

gaviotabr
Apr 28th, 2009, 10:12 PM
Well.. less than 1 week for Rome.

I hope Ana can at least have a good showing.

SOA_MC
Apr 28th, 2009, 10:21 PM
I hope the weather is not as windy and miserable as the mens tournament has been so far this week :scared:

gaviotabr
Apr 28th, 2009, 10:29 PM
I hope the weather is not as windy and miserable as the mens tournament has been so far this week :scared:

Yes, the weather has been terrible. But I don't think it will be raining this much for 2 consecutive weeks in Rome. Hope not..:help:

spiritedenergy
Apr 28th, 2009, 10:32 PM
there were so many rains in Italy, many rivers flooded:help: But hopefully it will stop. The clay will be heavy though. It feels strange that Rome is the first tournament for Ana... it used to be Berlin. My guess is that Ana will have a good showing (hopefully:scared:) and than tank Madrid... I hope I'm wrong though:o

gaviotabr
Apr 28th, 2009, 10:37 PM
there were so many rains in Italy, many rivers flooded:help: But hopefully it will stop. The clay will be heavy though. It feels strange that Rome is the first tournament for Ana... it used to be Berlin. My guess is that Ana will have a good showing (hopefully:scared:) and than tank Madrid... I hope I'm wrong though:o

Well.. Madrid is more important, so I hope she does not tank Madrid. When will Ana stop tanking tournaments anyway? It has to stop some day..

I think heavy clay is good for Ana. Berlin always used to have heavy clay, as opposed to Rome's faster clay, and we all know Berlin has been a lot better to Ana than Rome in the past. The thing is, after watching Fed Cup, I'm not sure Ana really is playing with the surface, as in the last 2 years. It looked like, to me, that it didn't matter for her game if it was clay, hard or grass, it would be the same.

I'm terribly pessimistic today.. :o

spiritedenergy
Apr 28th, 2009, 11:21 PM
Well.. Madrid is more important, so I hope she does not tank Madrid. When will Ana stop tanking tournaments anyway? It has to stop some day..

I think heavy clay is good for Ana. Berlin always used to have heavy clay, as opposed to Rome's faster clay, and we all know Berlin has been a lot better to Ana than Rome in the past. The thing is, after watching Fed Cup, I'm not sure Ana really is playing with the surface, as in the last 2 years. It looked like, to me, that it didn't matter for her game if it was clay, hard or grass, it would be the same.

I'm terribly pessimistic today.. :o

Me too Isabela:o:lol::p I'm so tired and so much work to do...:yawn: Spring always makes me feel sleepy.

I'm not sure she'll stop tanking tournaments completely, she's still Ana Ivanovic:lol: She did it again in Miami... that was inexcusable:o

jonnyroyale_13
Apr 28th, 2009, 11:27 PM
Well.. Madrid is more important, so I hope she does not tank Madrid. When will Ana stop tanking tournaments anyway? It has to stop some day..

I think heavy clay is good for Ana. Berlin always used to have heavy clay, as opposed to Rome's faster clay, and we all know Berlin has been a lot better to Ana than Rome in the past. The thing is, after watching Fed Cup, I'm not sure Ana really is playing with the surface, as in the last 2 years. It looked like, to me, that it didn't matter for her game if it was clay, hard or grass, it would be the same.

I'm terribly pessimistic today.. :o

Its like we're waiting for the day that never comes.:(
Last year, i thought this was odd, but no way it will last.
Going into the offseason, i felt good about the new year.
After Brisbane i was pissed.
After AO i felt there would be a wake up call, and bounce back.
After Dubai i felt it was getting back on track.
Ironically, Indian Wells was her best results, and i thought it was her worst stuff all year.:fiery:
Miami:explode:
I have no idea what to think anymore.:shrug:
I guess im pessimistic today as well. Doesnt help that my baseball team is frustrating me as well.:fiery:

gaviotabr
Apr 28th, 2009, 11:31 PM
Me too Isabela:o:lol::p I'm so tired and so much work to do...:yawn: Spring always makes me feel sleepy.

I'm not sure she'll stop tanking tournaments completely, she's still Ana Ivanovic:lol: She did it again in Miami... that was inexcusable:o

That was SO inexcusable, I don't even like to remember.. :o

gaviotabr
Apr 28th, 2009, 11:41 PM
Its like we're waiting for the day that never comes.:(
Last year, i thought this was odd, but no way it will last.
Going into the offseason, i felt good about the new year.
After Brisbane i was pissed.
After AO i felt there would be a wake up call, and bounce back.
After Dubai i felt it was getting back on track.
Ironically, Indian Wells was her best results, and i thought it was her worst stuff all year.:fiery:
Miami:explode:
I have no idea what to think anymore.:shrug:
I guess im pessimistic today as well. Doesnt help that my baseball team is frustrating me as well.:fiery:

I share your feelings..

I wasn't really optimistic during off-season, but I never expected such a hot mess in Australia. After AO, I thought she would do something to get that mental click again and get her game together. Dubai was encouraging, with that good match against Serena. Apart from that she was serving pretty well in both Dubai and the MSG Exhibition. I was so happy about that. But from then on, it has only gotten worse. I think, apart from the semi final, Ana didn't play well in Indian Wells.. she had her good patches during matches, but it was very up and down. Miami was a mess... The serve just didn't work at all.

I thought clay could help get her game back.. but it seems she forgot how to play on it.. the Fed Cup match got me all pessimistic.. I mean, almost 20 days of practice, and she was missing every second shot. The serve was.. well.. bad. She was trying to be agressive in second serve returns, and that only lead to a lot of shanks... (thanks for that Kardon!). And worst of all, she wasn't using the surface to her advantage.. it wasn't even like she was playing on clay. Even Ana's former beautiful movement and slide were not present. I know it was her first match on clay in almost a year, but that's no excuse. She had been practising on it for almost a month.

And she has been sucking for 1 year now.. with few exceptions (RG, Zurich, Linz, Dubai), she hasn't played really well for a long time. I'm not even talking about all those tanks.. that's something I just don't get... will Ana ever get back into making more winners than errors, playing the jaw dropping tennis she is capable off? Uff..

bruce goose
Apr 28th, 2009, 11:47 PM
I have no idea what to think anymore.:shrug:
I guess im pessimistic today as well. Doesnt help that my baseball team is frustrating me as well.:fiery:Try not to lose perspective:);Ana's not one of those players who NEVER wins.We've already seen her take the 'big one' so we know she has it in her.I'd say it's pretty rare historically for a player of Ana's talent to be a one-hit wonder.If you look at that list,it's mostly less-talented,fringe Top 10 gals such as Majoli who played over their heads for 2 weeks and got favorable draws in Slams.Women with Ana's greatness usually don't underachieve badly their entire careers unless they stop caring or start coking up...and I don't think Ana will do either:angel:

jonnyroyale_13
Apr 29th, 2009, 12:26 AM
I share your feelings..

I wasn't really optimistic during off-season, but I never expected such a hot mess in Australia. After AO, I thought she would do something to get that mental click again and get her game together. Dubai was encouraging, with that good match against Serena. Apart from that she was serving pretty well in both Dubai and the MSG Exhibition. I was so happy about that. But from then on, it has only gotten worse. I think, apart from the semi final, Ana didn't play well in Indian Wells.. she had her good patches during matches, but it was very up and down. Miami was a mess... The serve just didn't work at all.

I thought clay could help get her game back.. but it seems she forgot how to play on it.. the Fed Cup match got me all pessimistic.. I mean, almost 20 days of practice, and she was missing every second shot. The serve was.. well.. bad. She was trying to be agressive in second serve returns, and that only lead to a lot of shanks... (thanks for that Kardon!). And worst of all, she wasn't using the surface to her advantage.. it wasn't even like she was playing on clay. Even Ana's former beautiful movement and slide were not present. I know it was her first match on clay in almost a year, but that's no excuse. She had been practising on it for almost a month.

And she has been sucking for 1 year now.. with few exceptions (RG, Zurich, Linz, Dubai), she hasn't played really well for a long time. I'm not even talking about all those tanks.. that's something I just don't get... will Ana ever get back into making more winners than errors, playing the jaw dropping tennis she is capable off? Uff..

yeah, in Dubai the Serena match, and sad to say, but the Camille Pin match was probably her best winning match of the year. Pin had no business holding serve 6 times in the 2nd set, she didnt really do much to hold, but at least Ana wasnt broken the whole match, and served more like she can. After that, not a lot to consider a highlight for the year.
Im still looking for the FedCup match. It seems that it is not going to be uploaded.:sad:

SOA_MC
Apr 29th, 2009, 09:23 PM
Reading the last bunch of posts has made me pessimistic :( I just had a terrible thought what if Ana's career follows the same path as Kuznetsova's :help:

spiritedenergy
Apr 29th, 2009, 09:34 PM
Reading the last bunch of posts has made me pessimistic :( I just had a terrible thought what if Ana's career follows the same path as Kuznetsova's :help:

OMG don't say that... that's been my nightmare in the past months... I started noticing some similarities between the two (especially the brainlessness in many occasions:tape:). I think and hope Ana is smart enough to get over her denials and understand and work on her flaws which are mostly mental:o

gaviotabr
Apr 29th, 2009, 10:00 PM
Reading the last bunch of posts has made me pessimistic :( I just had a terrible thought what if Ana's career follows the same path as Kuznetsova's :help:

That has been my worst fear for quite a while. Kuzzy is such a headcase! :sobbing:

gaviotabr
Apr 29th, 2009, 10:02 PM
OMG don't say that... that's been my nightmare in the past months... I started noticing some similarities between the two (especially the brainlessness in many occasions:tape:). I think and hope Ana is smart enough to get over her denials and understand and work on her flaws which are mostly mental:o

Exactly. Most of Ana's issues are mental, much like Kuzzy, but unlike Kuzzy, I hope Ana can accept it and work extensively on it so she can fulfill her potential.

bruce goose
Apr 29th, 2009, 11:37 PM
Exactly. Most of Ana's issues are mental, much like Kuzzy, but unlike Kuzzy, I hope Ana can accept it and work extensively on it so she can fulfill her potential.Other than her poor choice of 'friends',it seems fair to say that Ana is more grounded and level-headed than Kuzy OFF the court,even though they have very similar brainfarts ON court.This stability should help prevent Ana from totally emulating Kuzy....I also believe that she's more talented,and that most WTA insiders would agree.One more point:Ana is still just 21,and Sampras--who's often seen as a picture of tennis stability--didn't achieved his true dominance until he was slightly older.The Kuzy comparison isn't baseless,but I wouldn't say the situations were identical,either

jonnyroyale_13
Apr 30th, 2009, 12:52 AM
Bruce, youre right, and im sorry to be pessimistic. These players play tennis their whole life, and when you finally reach the goal, a year long letdown might be more hard on the fans than themselves. Theres plenty of time still for Ana's legacy. As you said above in #153, ill try and keep it in perspective.;)

Heres one for someone. Going back to the start of 2007, what do these matches all have in common?

1.2007 Gold Coast 2nd Round vs Sequera
2.2007 Tokyo 1st Round vs Perry
3.2007 Tokyo SF vs Sharapova
4.2007 Berlin 2nd Round vs Likhovtseva
4b.(thx Luca:p) 2007 RG 2R vs Mirza
5.2007 Wimbledon 2nd Round vs Tu
6.2007 Los Angeles 2nd Round vs Safarova
7.2007 US Open 3rd Round vs Dushevina
8.2007 Stuttgart 1st round vs Schnyder
---
9.2008 Australian Open 3rd Round vs Srebotnik
10.2008 Miami 2nd Round vs Loit
11.2008 Roland Garros 2nd Round vs Safarova
12.2008 Roland Garros 4th Round vs Cetkovska
13.2008 Wimbledon 1st Round vs DeLosRios
--
14.2009 Dubai 3rd Round vs Pin

Edit: I'm:weirdo:
shes actually had a couple more
16.2009 IndianWells SF vs Pavlyuchenkova saved 4/4
17.2009 Miami 2nd Round vs Koryettseva saved 1/1

spiritedenergy
Apr 30th, 2009, 12:54 AM
Bruce, youre right, and im sorry to be pessimistic. These players play tennis their whole life, and when you finally reach the goal, a year long letdown might be more hard on the fans than themselves. Theres plenty of time still for Ana's legacy. As you said above in #153, ill try and keep it in perspective.;)

Heres one for someone. Going back to the start of 2007, what do these matches all have in common?

1.2007 Gold Coast 2nd Round vs Sequera
2.2007 Tokyo 1st Round vs Perry
3.2007 Tokyo SF vs Sharapova
4.2007 Berlin 2nd Round vs Likhovtseva
5.2007 Wimbledon 2nd Round vs Tu
6.2007 Los Angeles 2nd Round vs Safarova
7.2007 US Open 3rd Round vs Dushevina
8.2007 Stuttgart 1st round vs Schnyder
---
9.2008 Australian Open 3rd Round vs Srebotnik
10.2008 Miami 2nd Round vs Loit
11.2008 Roland Garros 2nd Round vs Safarova
12.2008 Roland Garros 4th Round vs Cetkovska
13.2008 Wimbledon 1st Round vs DeLosRios
--
14.2009 Dubai 2nd Round vs Pin

Good play? One set was a bagel? More than 5 aces per match?:p

jonnyroyale_13
Apr 30th, 2009, 12:56 AM
Good play? One set was a bagel? More than 5 aces per match?:p

good play yes, the others no.:p But youre on the right track with stats.;)

gaviotabr
Apr 30th, 2009, 12:58 AM
Bruce, youre right, and im sorry to be pessimistic. These players play tennis their whole life, and when you finally reach the goal, a year long letdown might be more hard on the fans than themselves. Theres plenty of time still for Ana's legacy. As you said above in #153, ill try and keep it in perspective.;)

Heres one for someone. Going back to the start of 2007, what do these matches all have in common?

1.2007 Gold Coast 2nd Round vs Sequera
2.2007 Tokyo 1st Round vs Perry
3.2007 Tokyo SF vs Sharapova
4.2007 Berlin 2nd Round vs Likhovtseva
5.2007 Wimbledon 2nd Round vs Tu
6.2007 Los Angeles 2nd Round vs Safarova
7.2007 US Open 3rd Round vs Dushevina
8.2007 Stuttgart 1st round vs Schnyder
---
9.2008 Australian Open 3rd Round vs Srebotnik
10.2008 Miami 2nd Round vs Loit
11.2008 Roland Garros 2nd Round vs Safarova
12.2008 Roland Garros 4th Round vs Cetkovska
13.2008 Wimbledon 1st Round vs DeLosRios
--
14.2009 Dubai 2nd Round vs Pin

Ana wasn't broken? :confused:

jonnyroyale_13
Apr 30th, 2009, 12:59 AM
Ana wasn't broken? :confused:

:yeah: Not broken on serve in any of the matches.

spiritedenergy
Apr 30th, 2009, 01:00 AM
:yeah: Not broken on serve in any of the matches.

No doubt Isabela would have won:lol::p

So she was broken in every match in RG 2007? Even against Sharapova?

gaviotabr
Apr 30th, 2009, 01:03 AM
No doubt Isabela would have won:lol::p

So she was broken in every match in RG 2007? Even against Sharapova?

She was. Ana was broken against Sharapova while serving for the first set. She broke right back to take the set. :D

gaviotabr
Apr 30th, 2009, 01:03 AM
:yeah: Not broken on serve in any of the matches.

:bounce:

:p

spiritedenergy
Apr 30th, 2009, 01:08 AM
:worship: to your knowledges guys;)

hopefully we'll see something similar very soon:drool:

jonnyroyale_13
Apr 30th, 2009, 01:08 AM
No doubt Isabela would have won:lol::p

So she was broken in every match in RG 2007? Even against Sharapova?

My list sucks.:sobbing: Correction- she wasnt broken in the Mirza match as well, i missed it.:p
Add 2007 RG 2R Mirza to the list

Break points saved in Roland Garros 07:
1. 0/1 vs Arvidson
2. 0/0 vs Mirza
3. 2/3 vs Olaru
4. 4/7 vs Medina Garrigues
Q. 3/5 vs Kuznetsova
S. 0/1 vs Sharpova
F. 2/7 vs Henin

And looking again, the last match she didnt have to save any BP's was against Loit. She had to save 2 in the double bagel of Cetkovska.:o

gaviotabr
Apr 30th, 2009, 01:15 AM
:worship: to your knowledges guys;)

hopefully we'll see something similar very soon:drool:

Yesssss! Please, I want some great performances like those! :sobbing:

gaviotabr
Apr 30th, 2009, 01:18 AM
My list sucks.:sobbing: Correction- she wasnt broken in the Mirza match as well, i missed it.:p
Add 2007 RG 2R Mirza to the list

Break points saved in Roland Garros 07:
1. 0/1 vs Arvidson
2. 0/0 vs Mirza
3. 2/3 vs Olaru
4. 4/7 vs Medina Garrigues
Q. 3/5 vs Kuznetsova
S. 0/1 vs Sharpova
F. 2/7 vs Henin

And looking again, the last match she didnt have to save any BP's was against Loit. She had to save 2 in the double bagel of Cetkovska.:o

Ana almost always have to save bps, even in her best performances. She usually has some game with lapsus of concentration.

Loungy
Apr 30th, 2009, 01:27 AM
after watching Fed Cup, I'm not sure Ana really is playing with the surface, as in the last 2 years. It looked like, to me, that it didn't matter for her game if it was clay, hard or grass, it would be the same.
I didn't see the match, but when she got the new coach, I thought, "Jesus, she'd be better off teaming up with him after the clay season."

I hope he doesn't mess up her natural clay game. It's a little bit like trying to transform JJ in a big hitter during the off season: bad move.

jonnyroyale_13
Apr 30th, 2009, 01:28 AM
Ana almost always have to save bps, even in her best performances. She usually has some game with lapsus of concentration.

Yeah, every match in the past year she faced at least one BP, but she seems to take BP's against Jankovic personally.

2007 Tokyo QF saved 10/13
2007 Amelia Island saved 4/8
2007 LA SF saved 17/21:devil:
2008 IW saved 2/3
2008 RG saved 6/12
2008 YEC saved 2/6

overall for past 6 matches saved 41/63

gaviotabr
Apr 30th, 2009, 01:39 AM
I didn't see the match, but when she got the new coach, I thought, "Jesus, she'd be better off teaming up with him after the clay season."

I hope he doesn't mess up her natural clay game. It's a little bit like trying to transform JJ in a big hitter during the off season: bad move.

That's my fear.. that he messes up her natural clay game. And the fact that she was not moving as smoothly as before in her Fed Cup match only increased my fear. I'm a huge fan of simply watching Ana move on clay.. it's usually so great.. natural.. smooth.. and it just wasn't there this weekend.. :sobbing: I'll wait to see what she does on Rome.. but I'm officially worried.

Isha312
Apr 30th, 2009, 01:51 AM
That's my fear.. that he messes up her natural clay game. And the fact that she was not moving as smoothly as before in her Fed Cup match only increased my fear. I'm a huge fan of simply watching Ana move on clay.. it's usually so great.. natural.. smooth.. and it just wasn't there this weekend.. :sobbing: I'll wait to see what she does on Rome.. but I'm officially worried.
POSITIVITY!!:( She will play great in Rome and we will all laugh at how we worried for nothing. :)

gaviotabr
Apr 30th, 2009, 01:53 AM
POSITIVITY!!:( She will play great in Rome and we will all laugh at how we worried for nothing. :)

Ok! Let's be positive!

C'mon Ana! Win it all! :p

Isha312
Apr 30th, 2009, 01:54 AM
There ya go! :yeah:

spiritedenergy
Apr 30th, 2009, 02:05 AM
Ana win them all:scared::p

jonnyroyale_13
Apr 30th, 2009, 02:10 AM
Ana rules!:rocker2: (sort of:unsure::p)

DAVAJ MKirilenko
Apr 30th, 2009, 06:03 PM
She will at least reach a QF is that positive enough?

I guess it will be again great and awful quality in matches.
After not playing for some time, she already showed that against Anabel.
It still can turn someday, but I don't see it in Rome.

jelenacg
Apr 30th, 2009, 08:51 PM
:wavey:
I am back :)
I was so worried when i read your posts yesterday,i was convinced she played terrible in her FC match and i just saw the match (thanks to Sneza :worship: ) and she wasn`t bad :confused::confused:
Yes she made mistakes but also i saw many good fh and bh,i especially liked that passing shot to win the second set :worship: Medina was sure Ana can`t make it :lol::lol:
Her movement wasn`t the best but that`s normal since it was her first match on clay after a long time
Craig with the hat :lol:
I`m very positive and i cant wait for the tournament to start
Ajde ANA :armed:

gaviotabr
Apr 30th, 2009, 10:40 PM
:wavey:
I am back :)
I was so worried when i read your posts yesterday,i was convinced she played terrible in her FC match and i just saw the match (thanks to Sneza :worship: ) and she wasn`t bad :confused::confused:
Yes she made mistakes but also i saw many good fh and bh,i especially liked that passing shot to win the second set :worship: Medina was sure Ana can`t make it :lol::lol:
Her movement wasn`t the best but that`s normal since it was her first match on clay after a long time
Craig with the hat :lol:
I`m very positive and i cant wait for the tournament to start
Ajde ANA :armed:

Hey Jelena! :wavey:

I'm happy you are back! And I'm glad you are feeling positive. I wish I could be feeling the same way.

I don't agree with you.. Ana had considerably more errors than winners in every set.. and some really ugly errors. AMG was also making a lot of mistakes, and that was the reason for Ana's win. I keep watching the second and third sets, since Ana was a bit better in them, changing the pace of the ball and being more patient, but there are so many ugly UEs that I just can't convince myself that it wasn't such a terrible performance. She always has some good shots in the mix, even when she loses badly, so the nice winners don't really make up for it IMHO. The serve was weak, Ana was just spinning it in, without much placement. If she was playing against someone who has a good ROS, she would be getting plenty of return winners against her serve. Apart from the movement, it pains me to see that Ana's forehand is not even a shadow of what it was.. it doesn't have half of the weight of shot it once had. The backhand shanks were also highlights.

I saw some of Lisicki-Jankovic and Safina-Hantuchova today, and if Ana is to compete with the top players she will need to improve a LOT. Get some sort of mental click ASAP and cut down her UEs by much.

jelenacg
Apr 30th, 2009, 10:58 PM
Izzy :wavey:
After reading all you wrote i want to :bigcry::bigcry::bigcry:
I don`t know what to think,imo her serve wasn`t bad :confused: and she always makes ugly UEs :tape::lol:
I didn`t see Safina`s match but i saw JJ`s match and i must say that first two sets were horrible
It was all about who is making less errors.Whole match i was thinking that old JJ would kill this girl :confused:

Loungy
Apr 30th, 2009, 11:03 PM
I really enjoyed Sabine vs. JJ. Left me concerned about Rome, though. Because of the rain, the conditions are a bit heavier, but still. Faster than Chatrier. Not that great for a shaky serve.

I do believe in Ana, though. She's smart and she loves RG. She'll get it together for Paris. Please to be defending RG, Ana. Pleeeeeease. :sobbing:

DownTheLine21
May 1st, 2009, 01:30 AM
Jankovic vs. Lisicki wasn't an error fest, though. Both girls had pretty clean stats.

gaviotabr
May 1st, 2009, 02:17 AM
Jankovic vs. Lisicki wasn't an error fest, though. Both girls had pretty clean stats.

That's what I'm talking about. Both JJ-Lisicki and Safina-Hantuchova were pretty clean matches. Not many UEs. Ana, in her Fed Cup match, was making UEs in second balls, very early on in rallies, and in shots she wasn't even trying to do anything with. If she plays like this against a top player, she will be giving the match away. Against AMG it was okay because AMG was also making lots of UEs.

Ana needs to cut down her errors.. there must be some kind of specific training to help with this. And I'm only talking about things that are basic to the game. Ana also had some very stupid shot selection.. there were points that left you wondering how the hell she managed to lose them. But that's like demanding post grad studies from someone who is still in high school. First the basics, cut down the UEs.. later on she can improve the shot selection and the tactics.

gaviotabr
May 1st, 2009, 02:19 AM
I really enjoyed Sabine vs. JJ. Left me concerned about Rome, though. Because of the rain, the conditions are a bit heavier, but still. Faster than Chatrier. Not that great for a shaky serve.

I do believe in Ana, though. She's smart and she loves RG. She'll get it together for Paris. Please to be defending RG, Ana. Pleeeeeease. :sobbing:

I hope all the great memories inspire Ana for RG! :sobbing:

I actually think heavy conditions favour Ana's game.. so let it rain in Rome. :lol:

gaviotabr
May 1st, 2009, 02:25 AM
Izzy :wavey:
After reading all you wrote i want to :bigcry::bigcry::bigcry:
I don`t know what to think,imo her serve wasn`t bad :confused: and she always makes ugly UEs :tape::lol:
I didn`t see Safina`s match but i saw JJ`s match and i must say that first two sets were horrible
It was all about who is making less errors.Whole match i was thinking that old JJ would kill this girl :confused:

Just because Ana always makes ugly UEs doesn't mean she has to do them all her life. That's something she needs to improve if she is to take a step further in the game.

She had some good serves late in the third set. But mostly she was spinning the serve in the middle of the service box. Just no placement. On clay it's just the most important thing to get good placement on the serve for it to be effective.

Every match now is basicaly about who makes less UEs. Safina is playing very well.. she seems to have clicked mentally again now that she is not chasing the number 1 position anymore. Maybe she is just determined to prove herself, or maybe she just got confident from playing in her favorite surface. She is playing clean matches.

The JJ-Lisicki match was ok to me. JJ is getting back to her confort zone, defending really well, getting openings for her BDTL and benefiting from UEs from her opponent. Lisicki is still a work in progress, but has shown some promisse. At least, as DTL says, it wasn't an UEs fest.. it had some nice points.

gaviotabr
May 1st, 2009, 02:33 AM
Back to trying to be positive...

I'm curious to see how Ana will perform in Rome. In one of her Fed Cup interviews she said the match was good for her to see there are still things she needs to work on her game. I hope she takes that seriously, and really manages to see what's wrong and improve. She has had 1 full week of practice and if she is using it to fine tune the things that did not work in Fed Cup, she can show up at least a bit better in Rome. And that could be enough to reach a quarter final. Truth is, she needs to use these tournaments to show up playing some good clean tennis in Roland Garros. If that happens, and she rocks Paris once again, I'll be SO happy. :lol:

Ana has 390 points to defend next week, from the semis at Berlin last year. I think that if she reaches a semi in Rome, she would still lose like 40 points. I'm not 100% sure, but I think a semi in Rome gives out 350 points. Regarding rankings, the good thing is that both Azarenka and Wozniacki didn't get many points in Stuttgart, which keeps them still a bit away from Ana.

Horizon
May 1st, 2009, 03:07 AM
^ I agree, but I think she lost valuable points this week. Does it not frustrate anyone that Ana isn't playing Stuttgart? It seems like a week wasted; she's only going to have played 1 match in 3 weeks. :o

DownTheLine21
May 1st, 2009, 03:07 AM
It should be interesting. Last year, Ana was continuously making errors on every second shot in Berlin and Rome. I remember her BH being particularly terrible. At the time, I thought she was playing the worst tennis of her career. However, she eclipsed herself later in the year. LOL.

Basically, what I'm trying to say is that Ana may come out looking terrible in Rome, but a poor performance next week will not be indicative of her RG form.

spiritedenergy
May 1st, 2009, 03:42 AM
that's true, Ana was an UE machine last year in Berlin and Rome, but somehow played amazing at RG... who knows what can happen:p

gaviotabr
May 1st, 2009, 12:46 PM
I need to leave in like.. 2 seconds.. but I just saw some news in the Rome web about the draw.

Ana has Radwanska for 4th round, Venus for quarters and Safina in the semis. All in all, not a bad draw. But she definitely has to play a lot better.

4th round meetings:

Safina-Zheng
Bartoli-Petrova
Williams V.-Medina Garrigues
Radwanska-Ivanovic
Kuznetsova-Pennetta
Jankovic-Cornet
Azarenka-Wozniacki
Kanepi-Williams

gaviotabr
May 1st, 2009, 02:52 PM
Ana's draw:

1st round: BYE
2nd round: Schiavone /Qualifer
3rd round: Radwanska/ Kleybanova
Quarterfinals: V.Williams / Medina Garrigues
Semifinals: Safina
Final: Jankovic / S.Williams

http://www.internazionalibnlditalia.it/2/public/pdf/SF.pdf?407GD4FJN4K3MI20VFKAGARAG

jelenacg
May 1st, 2009, 03:35 PM
Tough second round,Schiavone played very good in Fed Cup :scared:
I think she has the hardest second round match :mad: and i`m also not very happy with the draw :o

gaviotabr
May 1st, 2009, 03:54 PM
Tough second round,Schiavone played very good in Fed Cup :scared:
I think she has the hardest second round match :mad: and i`m also not very happy with the draw :o

Yes.. Ana has a very tough second round match. Schiavone was Italy's Fed Cup hero.. but Fed Cup is different...

It's not an easy draw, but I would say it could be worse. It all will come down to how Ana is playing anyway..

Nikkiri
May 1st, 2009, 04:19 PM
Schiavone at home is scary :scared:

Go Ana :D

bruce goose
May 1st, 2009, 04:39 PM
Tough second round,Schiavone played very good in Fed Cup :scared:
I think she has the hardest second round match :mad: and i`m also not very happy with the draw :oIn the past,whenever Ana has stunk at a particular tourney(Miami,perfect example),she has pretty much continued to stink thereafter.Therefore,if she plays well in Rome,EVEN if it's a defeat(let's say that someone like AMG plays the match of her life and barely beats Ana),then this will signify overcoming a mental hurdle for Ana.She's only played Rome twice,losing meekly to Schnyder in the Round of 16 in 2005 and,of course,last year's classic:rolleyes:.From what folks say,Rome is often very windy;ergo,another Miami-type problem,basically.

However,maybe we can draw a positive regardless,as others have suggested;she could hardly have looked worse last year,and then followed up Rome with RG:):):).Perhaps that's part of Ana's thinking...following a similar routine to achieve similar results;)

Davodus
May 1st, 2009, 05:20 PM
idemo!
i would love to see her play venus in the QF...but im also hoping venus loses in round 2 to safarova :D

dybbuk
May 1st, 2009, 06:47 PM
One of the better draws she could have gotten, really. I do think she should make the QF. Schiavone doesn't worry me really. I have faith Ana will get her head together on clay. Ana has been consistently one of the best claycourters for a couple of years now, we need to remember that before we get too pessimistic. :p

DownTheLine21
May 1st, 2009, 07:20 PM
I like the draw. Ana has some good challenges ahead of her. I really hope that she gets the chance to play Venus, Safina, and then Jankovic or Serena.

jelenacg
May 1st, 2009, 08:17 PM
Flavia def JJ ,Rome is going to be so interesting :bounce:
I knew watching JJ`s last match that she will have trouble with Flavia
Is there any reason why JJ is not standing in the middle of the court while serving :confused::confused:
I still can believe how Flavia didn`t take more advantage on that
I kept imagining Ana on the other side of the net ,she can do so much demage with her FH in that kind of situations :):)
When will Ana play? I can`t wait anymore...

gaviotabr
May 1st, 2009, 09:10 PM
Hey, some interesting news!

Ana will play an exhibition match against Mauresmo tomorrow in Rome.

INTERNAZIONALI BNL FEMMINILI
Ivanovic e Mauresmo, match a Villia Miani
Saranno Amelie Mauresmo ed Ana Ivanovic (nella foto) ad inaugurare virtualmente domani sulla terrazza di Villa Miani - splendida dimora costruita nei primi del Novecento sulla collina di Monte Mario - gli Internazionali BNL d'Italia femminili (gli incontri del main draw inizieranno domenica). A riprendere la singolare esibizione le telecamere di SuperTennis. La francese ha centrato l'accoppiata al Foro nel 2004-2005 (ed è stata finalista nel 2000, 2001 e 2003) mentre la serba vanta come miglior risultato il terzo turno del 2005.


http://www.federtennis.it/DettaglioNews.asp?IDNews=41657

gaviotabr
May 1st, 2009, 09:15 PM
Flavia def JJ ,Rome is going to be so interesting :bounce:
I knew watching JJ`s last match that she will have trouble with Flavia
Is there any reason why JJ is not standing in the middle of the court while serving :confused::confused:
I still can believe how Flavia didn`t take more advantage on that
I kept imagining Ana on the other side of the net ,she can do so much demage with her FH in that kind of situations :):)
When will Ana play? I can`t wait anymore...

Hi Jelena! :wavey:

I saw a bit of JJ and Pennetta. Jankovic played pretty well in the first set... but she started to miss too many balls in the last 2 sets, that's something that just can't happen in her style of play. And Flavia is a proven clay courter, took advantage of it. I also just saw Dinara x Radwanska. I hope, if Ana meets A-Rad in Rome, that she doesn't have any problems.. Radwanska simply has no weapons.

JJ has been standing really far to serve since Fed Cup. It's funny... I think Ana would be going for return winners all the time (making them or not). I was surprised to see that no opponent went for the DTL shot too much to take advantage of this.

gaviotabr
May 1st, 2009, 09:17 PM
I like the draw. Ana has some good challenges ahead of her. I really hope that she gets the chance to play Venus, Safina, and then Jankovic or Serena.

I would really like to see Ana playing Venus and Serena on clay. That with Ana playing well, obviously. I think it's a real posibility to see her playing Venus. I hope Ana can get at least as far as the quarters.

gaviotabr
May 1st, 2009, 09:18 PM
One of the better draws she could have gotten, really. I do think she should make the QF. Schiavone doesn't worry me really. I have faith Ana will get her head together on clay. Ana has been consistently one of the best claycourters for a couple of years now, we need to remember that before we get too pessimistic. :p

Ana, you are great on clay! Remember that!!

I'll be optimistic if I see Ana playing with the surface in Rome.... :o

jelenacg
May 1st, 2009, 09:24 PM
Hi Jelena! :wavey:

I saw a bit of JJ and Pennetta. Jankovic played pretty well in the first set... but she started to miss too many balls in the last 2 sets, that's something that just can't happen in her style of play. And Flavia is a proven clay courter, took advantage of it. I also just saw Dinara x Radwanska. I hope, if Ana meets A-Rad in Rome, that she doesn't have any problems.. Radwanska simply has no weapons.

JJ has been standing really far to serve since Fed Cup. It's funny... I think Ana would be going for return winners all the time (making them or not). I was surprised to see that no opponent went for the DTL shot too much to take advantage of this.

:haha::haha::haha:
I also can see Ana trying to hit every return winner if she sees so many open space on the court :lol:
Great that she is playing against Mauresmo,but i didn`t understand why are they playing

jelenacg
May 1st, 2009, 09:31 PM
I would really like to see Ana playing Venus and Serena on clay. That with Ana playing well, obviously. I think it's a real posibility to see her playing Venus. I hope Ana can get at least as far as the quarters.

The only problem is if she loses GM will go crazy :tape::help: and every record Ana had on RG and her being a finalist and winner won`t matter to some people
Venus will prove to be a better clay court player than Ana,and many Venus will win RG or Serena will win all 4 Grand Slams this year threads will start again ...:tape::help:

gaviotabr
May 1st, 2009, 09:43 PM
The only problem is if she loses GM will go crazy :tape::help: and every record Ana had on RG and her being a finalist and winner won`t matter to some people
Venus will prove to be a better clay court player than Ana,and many Venus will win RG or Serena will win all 4 Grand Slams this year threads will start again ...:tape::help:

:lol:

True.

But I haven't been to GM in so long now.. I seriously couldn't care less.. :lol:

gaviotabr
May 1st, 2009, 09:45 PM
:haha::haha::haha:
I also can see Ana trying to hit every return winner if she sees so many open space on the court :lol:
Great that she is playing against Mauresmo,but i didn`t understand why are they playing

I think they are playing to promote the tournament.

hellas719
May 1st, 2009, 09:51 PM
Go Ana!!!!:D
I want at least a QF. If Vee loses early then Ana's goal should be SF:bounce:

jonnyroyale_13
May 1st, 2009, 10:37 PM
We never really found out what happened for the first half of the match with Schiavone last year in IW, but it was clearly the toughest match at that event last year. Go Ana, you can take her!:bounce:

Hey, some interesting news!

Ana will play an exhibition match against Mauresmo tomorrow in Rome.



http://www.federtennis.it/DettaglioNews.asp?IDNews=41657

Yay!:D What does it say and when does it start? The only Italian I know is spaghetti, lasagna, vino etc.:help::help:

spiritedenergy
May 1st, 2009, 10:44 PM
We never really found out what happened for the first half of the match with Schiavone last year in IW, but it was clearly the toughest match at that event last year. Go Ana, you can take her!:bounce:



Yay!:D What does it say and when does it start? The only Italian I know is spaghetti, lasagna, vino etc.:help::help:

:drool:

It says it will start at 9.45 am in the terrace (?) of Villa Miani, a beautiful palace built in Monte Mario in the early 1900s. It's a promotional event like Miami matches on the cars etc. but maybe this will be a true match?

Link to the Villa
http://www.villamiani.com/

Beautiful as pretty much everything in my sweet Italy:hearts::p

jonnyroyale_13
May 1st, 2009, 10:49 PM
9:45 AM??!?! Well, so much for that, i wont be up that early on my dayoff.:lol: Hope its uploaded and thanks for the info.;)

jelenacg
May 1st, 2009, 10:54 PM
Very beautiful :hearts: i want to see that match :)
I`ve been in Rome and yes your sweet Italy is :hearts: :worship:

DownTheLine21
May 2nd, 2009, 04:54 AM
Go Ana!!!!:D
I want at least a QF. If Vee loses early then Ana's goal should be SF:bounce:

Actually, her goal should be to win the tournament, regardless of who is or isn't in her draw.

jonnyroyale_13
May 2nd, 2009, 05:09 PM
so who won the 'exhibition match'?:o:(:crying2::p

gaviotabr
May 2nd, 2009, 05:13 PM
so who won the 'exhibition match'?:o:(:crying2::p

It wasn't really an exhibition, but a promotional event for the Rome tournament. And Amelie wasn't there in the end.. There are pics in the Pictures thread.

jonnyroyale_13
May 2nd, 2009, 05:31 PM
It wasn't really an exhibition, but a promotional event for the Rome tournament. And Amelie wasn't there in the end.. There are pics in the Pictures thread.

i know i saw them.;)

gaviotabr
May 2nd, 2009, 07:35 PM
Ana will definitely face an italian in the second round. Schiavone faces Brianti in the first round.

CAMPO 1
inizio 1:00 pm

P Schnyder (SUI) vs [Q] M Duque Marino (COL)
F Schiavone (ITA) vs [Q] A Brianti (ITA)

Since they will play tomorrow, Ana will probably have her first match on tuesday.

spiritedenergy
May 2nd, 2009, 07:45 PM
Ajde Ana:boxing::scared::unsure:

jelenacg
May 2nd, 2009, 07:51 PM
Great :bounce::bounce:
Ajde Ana
Flavia :mad::mad: i have no words and to think i was wondering why she is not a top ten player :rolleyes:
I don`t agree that Safina is coming back,she is so lucky with the draws even in Rome she has an easy draw :(

gaviotabr
May 2nd, 2009, 07:57 PM
Great :bounce::bounce:
Ajde Ana
Flavia :mad::mad: i have no words and to think i was wondering why she is not a top ten player :rolleyes:
I don`t agree that Safina is coming back,she is so lucky with the draws even in Rome she has an easy draw :(

Safina is the luckiest person in the whole wide world.. it's amazing how much luck she has. Not only easy draws.. but it seems that everyone chokes against her. Pennetta just went away after she lost countless opportunities to get ahead and win the second set.

Safina was playing well this week, but today was the same old bad game. She didn't play well at all.. Lady Luck is on her side.

spiritedenergy
May 2nd, 2009, 08:04 PM
i only saw the last game, Safina held at love:tape: but was playing great IMHO, they were 4 winners straight away.

I started looking at the scoreboard at 5-5 and when Flavia was broken knew it was over:sad:. Still Flavia showed that she's great on clay:hug:

I don't like Safina's game, as most other russian's, it's the epitome of ballbashing to me, but when she has control of the point in the middle of the court it looks like she can blast winners all over. People should try to move her around, because on the run she's not as good as the other top players.

gaviotabr
May 2nd, 2009, 08:11 PM
i only saw the last game, Safina held at love:tape: but was playing great IMHO, they were 4 winners straight away.

I started looking at the scoreboard at 5-5 and when Flavia was broken knew it was over:sad:. Still Flavia showed that she's great on clay:hug:

I don't like Safina's game, as most other russian's, it's the epitome of ballbashing to me, but when she has control of the point in the middle of the court it looks like she can blast winners all over. People should try to move her around, because on the run she's not as good as the other top players.

In the last game Flavia wasn't even trying anymore.. Safina did improve in the last set, but Pennetta just wasn't there. Flavia lead 3-1 and then had 3 game points at 5-5 in the second. On BP, she had the whole court open and she hit straight at Safina, who just blocked it back to get the break. I also knew that losing that game was losing the match to Flavia.

I'm indifferent to Safina.. but her luck is so amazing to me, I just have no words.

spiritedenergy
May 2nd, 2009, 08:15 PM
In the last game Flavia wasn't even trying anymore.. Safina did improve in the last set, but Pennetta just wasn't there. Flavia lead 3-1 and then had 3 game points at 5-5 in the second. On BP, she had the whole court open and she hit straight at Safina, who just blocked it back to get the break. I also knew that losing that game was losing the match to Flavia.

I'm indifferent to Safina.. but her luck is so amazing to me, I just have no words.

safina leads the H2H 6-0 i think? It's probably a very bad match up for Flavia. I think more than luck is that Safina is a cluch player which intimidades her opponent when she goes on a tear, also Flavia was tired probably... anyways I hope for a rematch of last year RG final with the same result:lol::p

jelenacg
May 2nd, 2009, 08:16 PM
I liked Safina`s game at RG and after until US open
All of the sudden she started ballbashing :confused: or maybe she always did it i just didn`t see it
Anyway now her game irritates me ,i can`t find any beauty in her game or in her shots

gaviotabr
May 2nd, 2009, 08:23 PM
safina leads the H2H 6-0 i think? It's probably a very bad match up for Flavia. I think more than luck is that Safina is a cluch player which intimidades her opponent when she goes on a tear, also Flavia was tired probably...

Safina is definitely a cluch player. She never goes away in tough matches, she always stays there.. in the end of the second set she was even playing "Zvonareva in the wind style"...:lol: forehand slicing her way to break points. Flavia was tired in the third.. both physically and mentally.

anyways I hope for a rematch of last year RG final with the same result:lol::p

That would be great! Ana, win RG please! :lol::worship:

bruce goose
May 2nd, 2009, 08:40 PM
In the last game Flavia wasn't even trying anymore.. Safina did improve in the last set, but Pennetta just wasn't there. Flavia lead 3-1 and then had 3 game points at 5-5 in the second. On BP, she had the whole court open and she hit straight at Safina, who just blocked it back to get the break. I also knew that losing that game was losing the match to Flavia.

I'm indifferent to Safina.. but her luck is so amazing to me, I just have no words.Izzy,I'll be frank that you seem to have it in for Dinara;I'm not saying you hate her,per se,but your rationalizations are ridiculous sometimes.Radwanska only made SIX UEs against Dinara...how is THAT choking away a match??NObody is as lucky as you claim Dinara is.I've heard Serena haters accuse HER of being lucky for fighting off so many break points in matches.When somone rallies THAT often you have to give them SOME credit for sticking in the matches and fighting back...it's absurd to call it "luck" every time.

Honestly,Dinara does MUCH better than Ana at managing to win matches when she's less than her best,and she's done a remarkably better job of handling the #1 pressure than Ana did.Keep in mind that she was in a nasty slump prior to Stuttgart and got tons of flak for being an 'unworthy' #1...and yet she has mostly just kicked ass in that tournament even though she had every reason to stress out.You correctly accused me of having an anti-Nadal bias,but at least I admit it...plus my views are of a personal nature as I never badmouth his on-court greatness...perhaps the best ever.If Dinara wins RG,will she be the "luckiest RG champion in history"?At SOME point you've got to be more even-handed IMO

Edit:I see you finally gave Dina some credit in your latest post...hats off to you for that,mi amiga

SOA_MC
May 2nd, 2009, 10:11 PM
Well Bruce :rolleyes: now you know what it's like reading your posts about Nadal

bruce goose
May 2nd, 2009, 10:31 PM
Well Bruce :rolleyes: now you know what it's like reading your posts about NadalThe big difference you're overlooking is that this is a WOMEN'S tennis forum,and Nadal is irrelevant and has no place here.He has PLENTY of worshippers--and that's often an appropriate term--in the MEN'S tennis forums.Dinara and Ana are at least relevant to the discussion here.

For what it's worth,I promised earlier in this particular thread to refrain from any further anti-Nadal comments,out of respect for his fans.Further,I don't think that Isabela took anything as a personal attack against her as she knows how deeply I respect her intelligence and personal character.

To summarize,neither Serena nor Dinara are as 'lucky' as detractors claim they are.Although SW's legacy is obviously stronger,both of them rally often b/c they're not afraid to go for their shots even when they're trailing at critical points...and they have a knack for nailing these shots.Their opponents KNOW that they are capable of this and frequently succumb to their nerves while trying to put them away when the pressure is on.It's simply not sensible or mathematically logical to attribute such a high number of comebacks to 'luck'.Unfortunately,Ana's opponents can frequently tell when she's off her game,and this has given them the freedom to sit back and wait for her to self-destruct.On the BRIGHT side,Ana has shown more vigor since hiring Kardon as coach,and I'm optimistic about seeing the champ who rallied vs. Dani in AO '08 and,even better,vs. JJ at RG

gaviotabr
May 2nd, 2009, 11:53 PM
Izzy,I'll be frank that you seem to have it in for Dinara;I'm not saying you hate her,per se,but your rationalizations are ridiculous sometimes.Radwanska only made SIX UEs against Dinara...how is THAT choking away a match??NObody is as lucky as you claim Dinara is.I've heard Serena haters accuse HER of being lucky for fighting off so many break points in matches.When somone rallies THAT often you have to give them SOME credit for sticking in the matches and fighting back...it's absurd to call it "luck" every time.

Honestly,Dinara does MUCH better than Ana at managing to win matches when she's less than her best,and she's done a remarkably better job of handling the #1 pressure than Ana did.Keep in mind that she was in a nasty slump prior to Stuttgart and got tons of flak for being an 'unworthy' #1...and yet she has mostly just kicked ass in that tournament even though she had every reason to stress out.You correctly accused me of having an anti-Nadal bias,but at least I admit it...plus my views are of a personal nature as I never badmouth his on-court greatness...perhaps the best ever.If Dinara wins RG,will she be the "luckiest RG champion in history"?At SOME point you've got to be more even-handed IMO

Edit:I see you finally gave Dina some credit in your latest post...hats off to you for that,mi amiga

Bruce, I don't hate Dinara, I have a lot of respect for her. I think she is an awesome clutch player, and she is always there to take her chances. She doesn't simply go away. But I do think she is incredibly lucky, because most of the times she is in a tight match, she does not save match points or set points or game points or break points going for her shots. It's the opposite, she goes into defensive style, which was completely clear today. She was even using the forehand slice in the end of the second set. And for her luck, I really can't find another word, her opponents end up hitting an easy shot out or at the net. Today against Pennetta that was clear. And against Cornet at AO.. or Dementieva and Sharapova at RG last year.. or against Bacsinzky at the Us Open... When all these players had the opportunity to beat Safina, she pushed the ball back.. all of them had an easy oppening to end the point and just mishit the shot completely. That's luck.. if the opponent had just hit the right shot, she wouldn't have won lots of tight matches. Again, to her credit, she never goes away, she has a lot of heart.. but she has had a huge amount of luck in the past year IMHO. Those players were in a position to win and they mostly choke.

You mention the Radwanska match.. I think you should read some of my other posts here.. I said that I thought Safina was playing very well this week, and had some very clean matches. With luck, I never meant to say that she only wins based on that. I want to believe you don't think I meant that. It would be stupid on my part, and I'm not stupid. I keep thinking that Safina is really lucky in tight matches, but she is obviously a talented player who can and does win on her own right. But by the way.. the stats for Stuttgart were completely wrong all week. I watched the whole match today, not only bits and pieces.. They had Safina with only 10 UEs in the first set.. to 12 winners.. That's imposible.. She had a LOT more UEs.

I don't think we should mix Ana on this, but since you mention her.. Ana played 3 tournaments as number 1. The first one was a slam, right after her first slam win. I was actually expecting a let down.. Put Safina in the same situation and I'm not so sure she would handle it all that much better. The other 2 tournaments she was injured. I don't think we can really compare that. When Ana is in a tight match, she usually goes for broke, she goes for her shots no matter what.. sometimes it works, the shots go in.. like against Jankovic in LA 07 or RG 08, or Vaidisova in Wimbledon 07.. sometimes the shots go out or into the net and she loses, like against Coin at the Us Open or Zvonareva at the YEC last year.. but Ana doesn't even give her opponents the opportunity to choke in those tight situations.. it's always in her racquet.. it's her hitting winners or UEs. When was the last time someone actually choke against Ana? And by choke I mean, in a position to win, in a tight match, the opponent hit easy shots out, double faulted and things alike.

I do agree with you, and I've said it before, that Ana has to improve her mental game by much, that she has been faultering in clutch time for the past year, and that she often goes away in third sets. That comes from all my admiration towards Ana... if I can say that about my favorite player, I feel that I can say anything about another player, considering that I'm respectful. I don't hate Safina and I don't think I was disrespectful towards her at all. I didn't make any bad comments about her game or her shots, I didn't make any bad comments about her as a person, I didn't say anything disrespectful. I just made a comment about her performance in this particular match and that I think, and I do believe it, that she has a lot of luck in these kind of situations. I don't think that's bad.. I mean, good for her that she has it.. :shrug:

Loungy
May 2nd, 2009, 11:56 PM
anyways I hope for a rematch of last year RG final with the same result:lol::p
The same result would be nice, but if I had it in my hands, it wouldn't be a rematch. Exactly because Dinara is a clutch player.

Last year it was all well and good because Ana may not have been so great during clay season, but she had an AO final and a title in IW to back her up. But this year, with Ana not having all that many reasons to be confident, if push comes to shove, I'd rather she faced a streaky, unstable player with a penchant for choking.

I like Dina. Then again, I like most players. :p I save my hate for ATP. (And even there, I'm surprisingly fond of all the top 10 players but Djokovic. Wish Tsonga were doing better, however.)

bruce goose
May 3rd, 2009, 12:20 AM
Izzy,as often as I tease you about the dual law and medical degrees,you KNOW I don't think you're stupid:smooch:...nor would I bother to reply to you if I didn't respect your opinions.However,I'd put you in a distinct minority of people who believe that Dinara ALWAYS plays defensively on clutch points and doesn't earn her victories.

Think about it:What you're saying is mathematically preposterous;why would Dina be the only player in the WTA with "magic powers" to make her opponent mis-hit on key points??It doesn't make sense.Many of these chokes you refer to have occurred b/c the other players know how hard it is to finish her off,and they are over-hitting in their desperation.Serena wins LOTS of clutch points that way,too;she doesn't always hit an outstanding shot when she rallies.Dina is not a coward and,on the contrary,she went for TOO much when she played Serena in the '08 USO.She often knocked SW all over the court but REFUSED to play more defensively despite the heavy wind.Serena was wiser and took a little off...I can't see your accusation that she just sits back and does NOTHING while waiting for her opponent to choke and I challenge you to find a reputable magazine article that supports that view.

I don't agree that the Ana comparison is invalid,either.Even though Ana was injured for part of the time,she still played awfully as if she were mentally out of it...nor could she handle the pressure of expectations to return to form when she lost the ranking.I'm not going to speculate as to WHY they differ internally,but I'd trust Dinara a lot more if I had to pick one of those two to win a high-pressure match....This might very well change if Navaratilova joins in with Kardon in preparing Ana for big matches. Bruce, I don't hate Dinara, I have a lot of respect for her. I think she is an awesome clutch player, and she is always there to take her chances. She doesn't simply go away. But I do think she is incredibly lucky, because most of the times she is in a tight match, she does not save match points or set points or game points or break points going for her shots. It's the opposite, she goes into defensive style, which was completely clear today. She was even using the forehand slice in the end of the second set. And for her luck, I really can't find another word, her opponents end up hitting an easy shot out or at the net. Today against Pennetta that was clear. And against Cornet at AO.. or Dementieva and Sharapova at RG last year.. or against Bacsinzky at the Us Open... When all these players had the opportunity to beat Safina, she pushed the ball back.. all of them had an easy oppening to end the point and just mishit the shot completely. That's luck.. if the opponent had just hit the right shot, she wouldn't have won lots of tight matches. Again, to her credit, she never goes away, she has a lot of heart.. but she has had a huge amount of luck in the past year IMHO. Those players were in a position to win and they mostly choke.

You mention the Radwanska match.. I think you should read some of my other posts here.. I said that I thought Safina was playing very well this week, and had some very clean matches. With luck, I never meant to say that she only wins based on that. I want to believe you don't think I meant that. It would be stupid on my part, and I'm not stupid. I keep thinking that Safina is really lucky in tight matches, but she is obviously a talented player who can and does win on her own right. But by the way.. the stats for Stuttgart were completely wrong all week. I watched the whole match today, not only bits and pieces.. They had Safina with only 10 UEs in the first set.. to 12 winners.. That's imposible.. She had a LOT more UEs.

I don't think we should mix Ana on this, but since you mention her.. Ana played 3 tournaments as number 1. The first one was a slam, right after her first slam win. I was actually expecting a let down.. Put Safina in the same situation and I'm not so sure she would handle it all that much better. The other 2 tournaments she was injured. I don't think we can really compare that. When Ana is in a tight match, she usually goes for broke, she goes for her shots no matter what.. sometimes it works, the shots go in.. like against Jankovic in LA 07 or RG 08, or Vaidisova in Wimbledon 07.. sometimes the shots go out or into the net and she loses, like against Coin at the Us Open or Zvonareva at the YEC last year.. but Ana doesn't even give her opponents the opportunity to choke in those tight situations.. it's always in her racquet.. it's her hitting winners or UEs. When was the last time someone actually choke against Ana? And by choke I mean, in a position to win, in a tight match, the opponent hit easy shots out, double faulted and things alike.

I do agree with you, and I've said it before, that Ana has to improve her mental game by much, that she has been faultering in clutch time for the past year, and that she often goes away in third sets. That comes from all my admiration towards Ana... if I can say that about my favorite player, I feel that I can say anything about another player, considering that I'm respectful. I don't hate Safina and I don't think I was disrespectful towards her at all. I didn't make any bad comments about her game or her shots, I didn't make any bad comments about her as a person, I didn't say anything disrespectful. I just made a comment about her performance in this particular match and that I think, and I do believe it, that she has a lot of luck in these kind of situations. I don't think that's bad.. I mean, good for her that she has it.. :shrug:

Loungy
May 3rd, 2009, 12:22 AM
But I do think she is incredibly lucky, because most of the times she is in a tight match, she does not save match points or set points or game points or break points going for her shots. It's the opposite, she goes into defensive style, which was completely clear today. (...) And for her luck, I really can't find another word, her opponents end up hitting an easy shot out or at the net. (...) When all these players had the opportunity to beat Safina, she pushed the ball back.. all of them had an easy oppening to end the point and just mishit the shot completely. That's luck.
I disagree. A lot. Maybe because I'm a fan of many successful retrievers, but it really does bug me when people equate winning with defense with luck. Is every multiple GS-winning counterpuncher lucky? There have been a whole lot of them in the history of both tours. Too much to chuck it all down to luck.

But that's totally OT for this thread, I feel. :) (As for the draws - on that, I do think Dina has been blessed with a good measure of luck lately, yes.)

gaviotabr
May 3rd, 2009, 12:30 AM
I disagree. A lot. Maybe because I'm a fan of many successful retrievers, but it really does bug me when people equate winning with defense with luck. Is every multiple GS-winning counterpuncher lucky? There have been a whole lot of them in the history of both tours. Too much to chuck it all down to luck.

But that's totally OT for this thread, I feel. :) (As for the draws - on that, I do think Dina has been blessed with a good measure of luck lately, yes.)

Oh! Sorry.. I never meant that. I think counterpunching is a very valid and effective style of play, that can win many matches without any relation to luck.

When I mentioned Dinara's luck is that I do think in some of the tight matches she has been involved she was incredibly lucky to have won them... apart of the easy draws.. But even that way, I not trying to take credit away from her either. I think she is a great clutch player.

spiritedenergy
May 3rd, 2009, 12:35 AM
Dinara stands to clutch moments like Ana stands to tanks:sobbing::lol::p

The strange thing is that when those player choke against her, they often start hitting the ball right at her, so that she can blast winners whit her loooong shots. With her you can't just put the ball in, you need to move it from her,on the run she's not as good as, say, Ana:hearts:

gaviotabr
May 3rd, 2009, 12:41 AM
Izzy,as often as I tease you about the dual law and medical degrees,you KNOW I don't think you're stupid:smooch:...nor would I bother to reply to you if I didn't respect your opinions.However,I'd put you in a distinct minority of people who believe that Dinara ALWAYS plays defensively on clutch points and doesn't earn her victories.

Think about it:What you're saying is mathematically preposterous;why would Dina be the only player in the WTA with "magic powers" to make her opponent mis-hit on key points??It doesn't make sense.Many of these chokes you refer to have occurred b/c the other players know how hard it is to finish her off,and they are over-hitting in their desperation.Serena wins LOTS of clutch points that way,too;she doesn't always hit an outstanding shot when she rallies.Dina is not a coward and,on the contrary,she went for TOO much when she played Serena in the '08 USO.She often knocked SW all over the court but REFUSED to play more defensively despite the heavy wind.Serena was wiser and took a little off...I can't see your accusation that she just sits back and does NOTHING while waiting for her opponent to choke and I challenge you to find a reputable magazine article that supports that view.

I don't agree that the Ana comparison is invalid,either.Even though Ana was injured for part of the time,she still played awfully as if she were mentally out of it...nor could she handle the pressure of expectations to return to form when she lost the ranking.I'm not going to speculate as to WHY they differ internally,but I'd trust Dinara a lot more if I had to pick one of those two to win a high-pressure match....This might very well change if Navaratilova joins in with Kardon in preparing Ana for big matches.

This is so pointless Bruce. You are a huge Dinara fan and we are obviously not going to agree at all about this. I never said Dinara doesn't earn her victories.. she just gets some help from Lady Luck sometimes.. And you keep mentioning matches that have nothing to do with what I'm talking about. It's clear that Dinara can hit herself off the court and lose a match like this, as in the semi of the US Open against Serena. She can win and lose on her own, that's for sure.. But I'm talking about some particular tight matches, that could go either way.. and in those clutch situations, Dinara does turn into a pusher. That's something you can't refuse, it's there for anyone to see.. today against Pennetta, against Sharapova, Dementieva in RG, Cornet at AO.. and so on. It's not about magical powers.. and certainly other players also have this type of luck sometimes.. just that Dinara has been having it a lot in the past year.

Why should I go try to find a magazine article about it? Would that make my opinion more or less valid? That's surreal to me.. I can think whatever I want, doesn't matter what an magazine article thinks. Recently there was an article in Tennis Magazine and Dinara was the number 1 worst number 1 ever.. I don't agree with it.. but to the people who think like that, does this stupid article make their opinions more valid? That's :bs:

And you know what? I would bet on Ana in a GS final before betting on Dinara.. Ana has at least done it before.. while Dinara has been the runner up in every big final she has been in.. that doesn't mean that Ana would win it or Dinara would lose it.. it very well coud be the other way around. I'm just saying this to make it clear that we are not going to agree on this, and this discussion is totally pointless and is getting Ana's Rome thread all messed up.

SOA_MC
May 3rd, 2009, 12:41 AM
Bruce

1) This is Ana's forum not Dinara's

2) Your PM is that of a raving lunatic :scared:

3) Don't bother talking to me again

I'm done :wavey:

spiritedenergy
May 3rd, 2009, 12:45 AM
Bruce

1) This is Ana's forum not Dinaras

2) Your PM is that of a raving lunatic :scared:

3) Don't bother talking to me again

I'm done :wavey:

what happened?:eek: This forum is getting crazy, Ana please win something so we'll be happy again:rolleyes::lol:

gaviotabr
May 3rd, 2009, 12:48 AM
what happened?:eek: This forum is getting crazy, Ana please win something so we'll be happy again:rolleyes::lol:

Yes please! C'mon Ana! I want to comment on your performances, not anybody else's. Win it all! :worship:

bruce goose
May 3rd, 2009, 12:48 AM
Bruce

1) This is Ana's forum not Dinara's

2) Your PM is that of a raving lunatic :scared:

3) Don't bother talking to me again

I'm done :wavey:Okay Einstein:wavey:

spiritedenergy
May 3rd, 2009, 12:51 AM
Yes please! C'mon Ana! I want to comment on your performances, not anybody else's. Win it all! :worship:

Well Rome is near, i want to watch her on Tuesday and see her sliding on clay. Actually now is raining crazily in Italy, who knows what condition that clay will be:unsure:

gaviotabr
May 3rd, 2009, 12:53 AM
Well Rome is near, i want to watch her on Tuesday and see her sliding on clay. Actually now is raining crazily in Italy, who knows what condition that clay will be:unsure:

The heavier the better.

Maybe Ana will play on Monday... not sure though..

bruce goose
May 3rd, 2009, 12:59 AM
This is so pointless Bruce.I'm just saying this to make it clear that we are not going to agree on this, and this discussion is totally pointless and is getting Ana's Rome thread all messed up.Okay,amiga,I see your points well...I simply hearken back to some of your past comments that Ana should take a little something off her shots when she's not on top of her game...so if ANOTHER player does that while using her athleticism to get shots back on crucial points,while still maintaining the threat to her opponent of making that hard,screaming shot...I'd call that 'strategy' instead of 'luck' b/c it adds pressure on that opponent to make that perfect shot on break or match point...and THAT'S where a lot of those errors come from IMO instead of mere good fortune.......You are the complete,utter opposite of senseless,of course:smooch::wavey:

spiritedenergy
May 3rd, 2009, 01:01 AM
I opened a thread dedicated to Dinara and all the russian players in GM. I was bored and had that song in mind all day:lol::tape:

spiritedenergy
May 3rd, 2009, 01:03 AM
The heavier the better.

Maybe Ana will play on Monday... not sure though..

yes but a certain JJ is also playing... but for sure heavy clay is going to be tough for the Williams i guess.

jelenacg
May 3rd, 2009, 01:03 AM
Well Rome is near, i want to watch her on Tuesday and see her sliding on clay. Actually now is raining crazily in Italy, who knows what condition that clay will be:unsure:

Since the rain helped Novak today i`m hoping for the same with Ana :lol:
BTW i agree with you Izzy (like always :lol:)
I like when Ana is going for her shots even if she misses them, i hate Ana defending and waiting for the opponents errors.That`s why i hate so much her lost against Kleybanova

gaviotabr
May 3rd, 2009, 01:06 AM
Okay,amiga,I see your points well...I simply hearken back to some of your past comments that Ana should take a little something off her shots when she's not on top of her game...so if ANOTHER player does that while using her athleticism to get shots back on crucial points,while still maintaining the threat to her opponent of making that hard,screaming shot...I'd call that 'strategy' instead of 'luck' b/c it adds pressure on that opponent to make that perfect shot on break or match point...and THAT'S where a lot of those errors come from IMO instead of mere good fortune.......You are the complete,utter opposite of senseless,of course:smooch::wavey:

If your opponent gets a high ball two steps away from the net waiting to be crushed and hits it out, I'll call it luck everytime. And that's what happened to Safina today.. and in the past.

I'm not criticizing the fact that she becomes a pusher on clutch time.. if it works, that's what she should do. I only mentioned it because you said the case was that she wasn't afraid to go for her shots in those situations.. and it's not the case.

Anyway.. that's the last I'll say on this topic. It's so obvious we are never going to agree on this.. or anything regarding Dinara I guess, you are too much of a fan.

gaviotabr
May 3rd, 2009, 01:08 AM
yes but a certain JJ is also playing... but for sure heavy clay is going to be tough for the Williams i guess.

JJ is actually better in faster clay and prefers it. I still remember her complaining about the heavy conditions at Berlin and RG. She usually does well in Rome, which has faster conditions than those other 2 tournaments. But with rain, the clay can get heavier and slower.