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jrollaneres25
Mar 23rd, 2009, 07:00 PM
Thu Mar 19, 2009 10:26 pm EDT

Indian Wells boycott hurts Williamses more than it helps
By Martin Rogers
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INDIAN WELLS, Calif. – One of the longest tournament boycotts in tennis history is now in danger of becoming one of the most self-defeating.

For the past eight years Venus and Serena Williams have refused to play at Indian Wells, in the event now known as the BNP Paribas Open. What began as a point of principle has morphed into a million-dollar decision and with each passing season it becomes more apparent that the biggest losers in this issue are the Williamses, not the tournament they hope to detract from. :confused:
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The root of the dispute is the 2001 tournament, when the superstar sisters were fiercely booed by an angry crowd when Venus defaulted to Serena, citing a bout of tendinitis. This was moments before they were due to square off in an eagerly awaited semifinal – in front of a packed crowd and a national TV audience.

When Serena emerged for her final against Kim Clijsters two days later, she was targeted by the crowd, causing father Richard Williams to shake his fist furiously and call for security as he sat in the stands.

Richard Williams claimed he and his family had been subjected to racial abuse, even invoking the name of Martin Luther King Jr. and the demons of another era. He and his daughters have never ventured back to the Californian desert.


Estimates of how much the first family of women's tennis is surrendering by staying away from Indian Wells for the past two weeks range between $1 million and $4 million. (who cares about the money:topic:)

Serena, as world No. 1, will potentially miss out more, forfeiting her share of a $1.9 million bonus pool for skipping this event – one of four mandatory WTA Tour competitions.

Yet it is in terms of reputation where the Williams sisters give up the most. Consensus in the tennis world is that eight years should be long enough for wounds to close, especially regarding a situation that is still shrouded by so much doubt and mystery. :rolleyes:

Time has not healed wounds, far from it. Indeed, the passing years have merely served to escalate the issue into something greater, and a resolution may be further away now than ever before.

The Williams clan flies solo in its claims of racial abuse; there were no reports made to tournament officials about such behavior at the time. Nearby patrons and security staff expressed surprise when informed of Mr. Williams' remarks.

On the surface it appears as though an apology from Indian Wells would surely be enough to smooth out the differences. But what exactly would the tournament be apologizing for? :bs:

"Venus and Serena know they are welcome here and the fans would love to see them," said tournament director Steve Simon. "We would be delighted if they decide to play in future years – if not, then they will deal with the repercussions." :rolleyes:

The Williams boycott is discussed every year, but took on extra significance this time around. The WTA Tour's 2009 Roadmap program has a provision to punish leading players for skipping “mandatory” events such as Indian Wells, Miami, Madrid and Beijing.

Under the program, Venus and Serena must perform promotional duties for the 2010 BNP Paribas Open or face a fine and expulsion from next year's Miami tournament. They already miss out on the bonus pool and receive a zero-point ranking for Indian Wells.

If the duo is hoping to hurt the tournament then the plan is not really working. (They never said that YOU FOOL:()

Despite a difficult economy, attendance until the middle of the tournament’s second week had increased about 8,000 from 2008. TV ratings also were strong, helped by the continued progress of Rafael Nadal, Roger Federer and home favorite Andy Roddick. (What about the women:rain:)

Simon and the tournament chiefs would obviously love to have the two most marketable names in women's tennis participating in the event, but they can't be shedding too many tears. :wavey:

Indian Wells has simply adapted to life without the Williamses' presence. Furthermore, their name has become more intrinsically linked with this event than any other, due to this very controversy. And while the issue is hardly positive publicity for the BNP Paribas Open, it has kept the event in the public consciousness for months.

Too much doubt and too much time elapsed for Venus and Serena to garner genuine widespread sympathy for their stance.

"I think it's personal stuff for Serena and Venus," said No. 4 seed Vera Zvonareva. "I really am not that familiar with their situation, so it's tough for me to judge from the side. :cool:

"Of course I would like to see the Williams sisters play in every tournament, because they are great for the crowd. They bring great atmosphere. They're great champions. But besides that, there are so many great players out there."

The most noticeable by-product of the Williamses' absence has merely been to offer a slightly easier passage to some of their rivals:haha: – although a spate of upsets this year has prevented the No.1 contenders from capitalizing.

"It does create opportunities, them not being here," said Victoria Azarenka, the rapidly climbing world No.11 from Belarus. "You have to feel confident against every opponent but it does make the draw a little more open and there are some more chances for players to make a run."


For comments on this article, Click Here: http://sports.yahoo.com/ten/blog/ten_experts/post/Indian-Wells-boycott-hurts-Williamses-more-than-;_ylt=AgBJpPQgtP91SUdHYYntKsU4v7YF?urn=ten,149332

pov
Mar 23rd, 2009, 07:02 PM
I think he makes some solid points.

Kart
Mar 23rd, 2009, 07:06 PM
Oh I'd forgotten how cute the :rain: smiley is.

It's under used.

MrSerenaWilliams
Mar 23rd, 2009, 07:07 PM
The WS have never said that they want to harm the tournament, they just don't want to play where they feel they aren't welcome.

It's like like they purposely think about what their absence will do for IW, it just no longer exists on either of their calendars :shrug:

HRHoliviasmith
Mar 23rd, 2009, 07:12 PM
why is it so hard for people to believe or understand that they just really do not care? that this issue has been over and done with for years as far as they are concerned? my goodness...people are REALLY taking this stuff personally. :haha:

Orbis
Mar 23rd, 2009, 07:16 PM
It should be a non-issue. They don't want to play because of what happened and that's it.
The tour shouldn't have to force players to play somewhere.

BlameSerena
Mar 23rd, 2009, 07:19 PM
I don't even want to add to the posts, but I can't help it.

1) I hate how he says "causing Richard to shake his fist furiously" like that's a justification for the crowd behaving that way.
2) Who the hell is he to determine that 8 years "should be enough to heal wounds"
3) Here's the kicker, "What exactly would the tournament be apologizing for?" How about apologizing to the Williamses and Clijsters for the mob like behavior of the crowd. Oh and for not hanging Serena's championship banner?
4) V&S do not give a FUCK about IW, so NO they were not "hoping to hurt it" nor have they hoped to for 8 got damn years!

And he IS a journalist, so where are the comments from the other side (a little objectivity)...not the tournament, but Venus and Serena. Why doesn't he ask them if they are trying to hurt the tournament instead of assuming it?

My biggest issue is that he doesn't try to understand their POV, and he assumes
they want to harm the tournament. Further he insinuates that because the tournament received no reports of racism, that A)It didn't happen and B) that even if the motivations weren't racist that the crowd's behavior is acceptable.

Why if IW is so fucking great, does there need to be 237613828,2312879,2392819 articles about the WS? If, as this guy is saying, they haven't hurt the tournament then WHO REALLY CARES? DAYUM. V&S aren't holding their breath for an apology, and I'm sure IW aren't holding their breath for them to return, nor are the fans, at least not this one.

Fuck off.

Olórin
Mar 23rd, 2009, 07:38 PM
I really think I might look into a career in tennis journalism. The amount of incompetent writers that write 'articles' currently; surely it must be an incredibly easy to excell in this field.

Generally quite a sloppy article but it's definitely bad journalism to make allegations, such as: that the WS are hoping to harm the tounrament. It's something of a non-issue for them, I'm not sure why the author is trying to enflame it.

jrollaneres25
Mar 23rd, 2009, 07:46 PM
Yea, when I first start reading this article, I was like, "You've got to be kidding me!" It's so a bunch of baloney

DA FOREHAND
Mar 23rd, 2009, 08:13 PM
I think it's curious that with all the new storylines out there, this one is stil on yahoo sports front page.

kiwifan
Mar 23rd, 2009, 08:24 PM
The WS have never said that they want to harm the tournament, they just don't want to play where they feel they aren't welcome.

It's like like they purposely think about what their absence will do for IW, it just no longer exists on either of their calendars :shrug:

Beginning, Middle and End of Story. :cool:

bobbynorwich
Mar 23rd, 2009, 08:24 PM
Thu Mar 19, 2009 10:26 pm EDT

Indian Wells boycott hurts Williamses more than it helps
By Martin Rogers


INDIAN WELLS, Calif. – One of the longest tournament boycotts in tennis history is now in danger of becoming one of the most self-defeating.
..........

If the duo is hoping to hurt the tournament then the plan is not really working.

For comments on this article, Click Here: http://sports.yahoo.com/ten/blog/ten_experts/post/Indian-Wells-boycott-hurts-Williamses-more-than-;_ylt=AgBJpPQgtP91SUdHYYntKsU4v7YF?urn=ten,149332


The duo does not hope to hurt the tournament. If they did, they would have played IW because the fans who are mostly racist would not attend and the stands would be almost totally empty. A little counter-intuitive, but it's the most likely outcome if the boycott ended.

LDVTennis
Mar 23rd, 2009, 08:27 PM
I really think I might look into a career in tennis journalism. The amount of incompetent writers that write 'articles' currently; surely it must be an incredibly easy to excell in this field.

And your presence in the field would do what to solve that?

Just what journalism needs, your "counter-intuitive deductions." --- :lol::lol::lol::lol:

darrinbaker00
Mar 23rd, 2009, 08:33 PM
This was a blog written by someone paid to give his opinion. Period. If you're getting all worked up over it, you need to check yourself, not Mr. Rogers.

-Sonic-
Mar 23rd, 2009, 08:33 PM
Oh I'd forgotten how cute the :rain: smiley is.

It's under used.


Ahh, just wait til Birmingham/Eastbourne/Wimbledon :)

BlameSerena
Mar 23rd, 2009, 08:48 PM
I think it's curious that with all the new storylines out there, this one is stil on yahoo sports front page.

Because it's an attraction. I'm positive, w/o having to look, that it has more responses than anything else about IW...so it stays on the front page.

terjw
Mar 23rd, 2009, 10:01 PM
These stories will continue and be in the news until the sisters retire or the sisters decide to play there - and that's not going to happen. I think on their own if Richard wasn't around as such a central figure in this - that Venus and Serena might have returned to Indian Wells. But even if I'm right - there's no way they are going to do anything that will hurt their father.

In practice - all the parties know the situation ain't changing. But life goes on. IW is still universally regarded as the next most prestigious tournament after Miami, and the sisters don't wail like some of their fans do about losing their bonus, the prize money and the ranking points.

One thing's for certain though: Articles that people don't like will appear time and time again. These stories sell and make money. And on another related tack - the sisters will constantly get asked about ther boycott time and time again. That's not going to stop either and annoys a lot of people as well. But any reporter not asking the sisters questions on this is simply not doing his job.

bobbynorwich
Mar 23rd, 2009, 11:49 PM
These stories will continue and be in the news until the sisters retire or the sisters decide to play there - and that's not going to happen.

.....................

One thing's for certain though: Articles that people don't like will appear time and time again. These stories sell and make money. And on another related tack - the sisters will constantly get asked about ther boycott time and time again. That's not going to stop either and annoys a lot of people as well. But any reporter not asking the sisters questions on this is simply not doing his job.

Well said, the media always likes a feud.

Olórin
Mar 23rd, 2009, 11:56 PM
Good journalists are supposed to find stories not make them.
They are trying to make the situation look more antagonistic and more relevant than it is. It's either a very slow news month, or they are incompetent.

The sisters didn't even get fined, they didn't play just the same as they didn't in 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007 or 2008.

I don't really understand how these online articles or newspapars generate money apart from advertisements; nevertheless I'd be surprised if anyone would buy one where one of the key words is 2001. Old news = boring news to the majority of people.

Direwolf
Mar 24th, 2009, 01:41 AM
seriously...
those smileys
makes the Article less interesting...

try not to be too bias next time

anyhoo...

Just reading the headline

gives me diarrhea

miffedmax
Mar 24th, 2009, 01:56 AM
I was :yawn: after the second sentence.

BuTtErFrEnA
Mar 24th, 2009, 01:57 AM
:rolls: :rolls: :rolls: ok

Volcana
Mar 24th, 2009, 02:25 AM
The author simply has no concept of anyone doing anything on principle. His focus is solely money.

Seyz
Mar 24th, 2009, 03:55 AM
what an annoying article.
He insinuates that there was no racism.
how the hell would he know?

as1991
Mar 24th, 2009, 05:45 AM
why is there so much hue and cry abt william's absence!
n dont tell me it was coz it made the tournament boring!
there wer many who declared it boring bfore even watchin it!
its just ppls perception,,if u thnk its boring it is n if u dont thnk its boring thn it wont be boring no matter what
neways it doesnt matter to me whtr williams r playin or nt(though i do thnk thy r grt n wud surely be fantastic to watch)

bobbynorwich
Mar 24th, 2009, 05:58 AM
n dont tell me it was cozif u dont thnk its boring thn it wont be borg no matter what
neways it doesnt matter to me whtr williams r playin or nt(though i do thnk thy r grt n wud surely be fantastic to watch)

English for mutants?

sipnsurfMurph
Mar 24th, 2009, 06:09 AM
why is there so much hue and cry abt william's absence!
n dont tell me it was coz it made the tournament boring!
there wer many who declared it boring bfore even watchin it!
its just ppls perception,,if u thnk its boring it is n if u dont thnk its boring thn it wont be boring no matter what
neways it doesnt matter to me whtr williams r playin or nt(though i do thnk thy r grt n wud surely be fantastic to watch)

Can I buy a vowel?:lol:

Renalicious
Mar 24th, 2009, 08:48 AM
Oh my goodness. Nobody cares about Indian Wells. Honestly. It's just another tournament. The Williamses will be fine. :rolleyes: They don't give an eff of what anyone thinks, and they will continue not to. They'll pay the fines and continue skipping this stupid tournament. Deal with it. :rolleyes:

madlove
Mar 24th, 2009, 09:03 AM
its just an opinion. geez pple.. relax

jrollaneres25
Nov 21st, 2009, 12:45 AM
I don't even want to add to the posts, but I can't help it.

1) I hate how he says "causing Richard to shake his fist furiously" like that's a justification for the crowd behaving that way.
2) Who the hell is he to determine that 8 years "should be enough to heal wounds"
3) Here's the kicker, "What exactly would the tournament be apologizing for?" How about apologizing to the Williamses and Clijsters for the mob like behavior of the crowd. Oh and for not hanging Serena's championship banner?
4) V&S do not give a FUCK about IW, so NO they were not "hoping to hurt it" nor have they hoped to for 8 got damn years!

And he IS a journalist, so where are the comments from the other side (a little objectivity)...not the tournament, but Venus and Serena. Why doesn't he ask them if they are trying to hurt the tournament instead of assuming it?

My biggest issue is that he doesn't try to understand their POV, and he assumes
they want to harm the tournament. Further he insinuates that because the tournament received no reports of racism, that A)It didn't happen and B) that even if the motivations weren't racist that the crowd's behavior is acceptable.

Why if IW is so fucking great, does there need to be 237613828,2312879,2392819 articles about the WS? If, as this guy is saying, they haven't hurt the tournament then WHO REALLY CARES? DAYUM. V&S aren't holding their breath for an apology, and I'm sure IW aren't holding their breath for them to return, nor are the fans, at least not this one.

Fuck off.


:lol::lol:

:worship::worship:

jefrilibra
Nov 21st, 2009, 12:58 AM
This article is giving me a headache. I dont even know where to begin so I won't even start.

rjd1111
Nov 21st, 2009, 02:41 AM
I don't even want to add to the posts, but I can't help it.

1) I hate how he says "causing Richard to shake his fist furiously" like that's a justification for the crowd behaving that way.
2) Who the hell is he to determine that 8 years "should be enough to heal wounds"
3) Here's the kicker, "What exactly would the tournament be apologizing for?" How about apologizing to the Williamses and Clijsters for the mob like behavior of the crowd. Oh and for not hanging Serena's championship banner?
4) V&S do not give a FUCK about IW, so NO they were not "hoping to hurt it" nor have they hoped to for 8 got damn years!

And he IS a journalist, so where are the comments from the other side (a little objectivity)...not the tournament, but Venus and Serena. Why doesn't he ask them if they are trying to hurt the tournament instead of assuming it?

My biggest issue is that he doesn't try to understand their POV, and he assumes
they want to harm the tournament. Further he insinuates that because the tournament received no reports of racism, that A)It didn't happen and B) that even if the motivations weren't racist that the crowd's behavior is acceptable.

Why if IW is so fucking great, does there need to be 237613828,2312879,2392819 articles about the WS? If, as this guy is saying, they haven't hurt the tournament then WHO REALLY CARES? DAYUM. V&S aren't holding their breath for an apology, and I'm sure IW aren't holding their breath for them to return, nor are the fans, at least not this one.

Fuck off.


Right!

And if IW is doing so well, Why did they file bankruptcy

and had to be bailed out.

Or why do they have to hunt up new sponsers every couple

of years. Sponsers wouldn't dump them if they were making

" record money" every year like they claim.

What money they do make is attributed to the Men's side

as evidensed by all the empty seats I saw during the

women's matches this year. There were several threads

on this and other forums about the empty seats.

Also if they are doing so well without the Sisters

why are they making rules to try and force them back.

dreamgoddess099
Nov 21st, 2009, 03:00 AM
The bitterness that the sisters can't be forced to play there continues every year.

miffedmax
Nov 21st, 2009, 04:11 AM
If it's any consolation, his articles on soccer are usually even more idiotic.

Lena's bangs.

Zébulon
Nov 21st, 2009, 02:04 PM
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3266/3167548040_320eb11e51.jpg


Just had to quote this beautiful pic. :lol:

jrollaneres25
Nov 21st, 2009, 05:06 PM
Just had to quote this beautiful pic. :lol:

I Love it:hearts:

A-Bond
Nov 21st, 2009, 05:13 PM
Serena and Venus are so ridiculous. They just should stop with that childish behaviour and play there. Really c'mon are they teenagers or what? Reminds me on fights with my mother. Really stupid.

pav
Nov 21st, 2009, 06:26 PM
I have learned over the years a thread title using the words stupid article, idiot, fool, or anything in that vein is 99% likely to be a response to a writer daring to write something even slightly negative about the Willys, but if the same writer praises one or the other or both, then he/she becomes a genius!

dreamgoddess099
Nov 21st, 2009, 07:35 PM
I have learned over the years a thread title using the words stupid article, idiot, fool, or anything in that vein is 99% likely to be a response to a writer daring to write something even slightly negative about the Willys, but if the same writer praises one or the other or both, then he/she becomes a genius!

And I have learned over the years that where there is "Willy" negativity, there is Pav and cast of others around here who see anybody who writes a negative article about the Williams as a daring genius, but when the same writer writes something positive the thread gets ignored.

dreamgoddess099
Nov 21st, 2009, 07:38 PM
Serena and Venus are so ridiculous. They just should stop with that childish behaviour and play there. Really c'mon are they teenagers or what? Reminds me on fights with my mother. Really stupid.

You're not the boss of them.:nerner:

dsanders06
Nov 21st, 2009, 07:50 PM
Although I don't necessarily think the Williams sisters should be forced to play there, they can't complain when they get fined for not playing a compulsory tournament. And it's about time people stopped perpetuating the lie that racial abuse was hurled at them.

ghost world
Nov 21st, 2009, 09:51 PM
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Ferg
Nov 21st, 2009, 09:53 PM
Why was this bumped? :confused:

Uranium
Nov 21st, 2009, 10:29 PM
Why was this bumped? :confused:

Because the OP likes to bump his own threads to stir the drama pot in GM.

MBM
Nov 21st, 2009, 10:41 PM
not as stupid as some i've seen, but he needs to read up a little more and maybe...just maybe...it would be useful to actually find out what both sides have to say before deciding where you stand... plus talking sense is always useful when trying to be informative

HRHoliviasmith
Nov 22nd, 2009, 12:03 AM
Because the OP likes to bump his own threads to stir the drama pot in GM.

this.

Markus
Nov 22nd, 2009, 12:12 AM
Although I don't necessarily think the Williams sisters should be forced to play there, they can't complain when they get fined for not playing a compulsory tournament. And it's about time people stopped perpetuating the lie that racial abuse was hurled at them.
Thi is easy to say from an outside perspective. It is impossible to decide where to draw the line. How do you know that no racial abuse took place? Do you think Monica should have been fined deciding not to play in Germany 2001?

NoChokes
Nov 22nd, 2009, 12:16 AM
If you boo a black person, it's racist.

thrust
Nov 22nd, 2009, 12:23 AM
why is it so hard for people to believe or understand that they just really do not care? that this issue has been over and done with for years as far as they are concerned? my goodness...people are REALLY taking this stuff personally. :haha:

Well, if they were banned from playing Miami and the USO every year the fail to play IW they might care. If the other top players are required to play IW, the Williams should be too. They do not make the rules and, therfore, should be required to obey them just as the other players are. Their excuses for not playing IW are utter nonsense!

dsanders06
Nov 22nd, 2009, 12:30 AM
Thi is easy to say from an outside perspective. It is impossible to decide where to draw the line. How do you know that no racial abuse took place? Do you think Monica should have been fined deciding not to play in Germany 2001?

Absolutely no racial abuse can be heard in footage of the match, and absolutely no-one apart from Richard Williams has ever consistently said that racial abuse could be heard. Not even the sisters heard any; immediately after the incident, Serena said she had heard no racism, and in an interview on British radio last week, she admitted she had heard no racial slurs but simply assumed the booing was racially-motivated because the crowd was, in her words, 98% white (even though the ghost-writer of her "auto"-biography wrote that she HAD heard racial abuse).

And yes, arguably Seles should've been fined for not playing a mandatory tournament in Germany (I don't know if she actually was or not), even though getting booed clearly isn't comparable to getting stabbed. I do sympathise with both the sisters and Seles, but the sport can not revolve around the biggest names' demands.

HRHoliviasmith
Nov 22nd, 2009, 12:37 AM
Well, if they were banned from playing Miami and the USO every year the fail to play IW they might care. If the other top players are required to play IW, the Williams should be too. They do not make the rules and, therfore, should be required to obey them just as the other players are. Their excuses for not playing IW are utter nonsense!

dead issue. so okay thrust, whatever you say. knock yourself out. :)

Markus
Nov 22nd, 2009, 12:41 AM
And yes, arguably Seles should've been fined for not playing a mandatory tournament in Germany (I don't know if she actually was or not), even though getting booed clearly isn't comparable to getting stabbed. I do sympathise with both the sisters and Seles, but the sport can not revolve around the biggest names' demands.
As fas as I know Seles was not fined for not participating in the YEC in Munich in 2001. Which is absolutely fine for me.
I don't agree with your point, the sport is successful especially because of their biggest names. That said I think some respect towards them makes very much sense.Without them WTA would be nothing. The move to go to tournaments where everybody knows that some of the current stars will have some problems to attend is a bad decison imo.

bandabou
Nov 22nd, 2009, 12:42 AM
Old news..why keep beating it? They ain't coming back, IW doesn't need them ( don't believe me, ask LDV)...and that's it. Everybody happy, what's the deal?