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Justin
Mar 23rd, 2009, 05:22 PM
.... is when people refer to Zvonareva as "Bepa." It is so god damn annoying. I hate that stupid crap of, "Well, in Russian a V and an R......." blah, blah, blah. Nicknames are supposed to be cute. Bepa is ridiculous. I want to take a brick and smash the f'ing computer every time I see it.

BlameSerena
Mar 23rd, 2009, 05:24 PM
Bepa Bepa Bepa.:lol: (Poor computer)
Childish, I know.

HRHoliviasmith
Mar 23rd, 2009, 05:25 PM
.... is when morons refer to Zvonareva as "Bepa." It is so god damn annoying. I hate that stupid crap of, "Well, in Russian a V and an R......." blah, blah, blah. Nicknames are supposed to be cute. Bepa is ridiculous. I want to take a brick and smash the f'ing computer every time I see it.

I.CANNOT.F*#$%@G.BREATHE. :haha: :rolls: :lol: :spit: :haha:

Dave.
Mar 23rd, 2009, 05:26 PM
:rolls:

AndreConrad
Mar 23rd, 2009, 05:30 PM
.... is when morons refer to Zvonareva as "Bepa." It is so god damn annoying. I hate that stupid crap of, "Well, in Russian a V and an R......." blah, blah, blah. Nicknames are supposed to be cute. Bepa is ridiculous. I want to take a brick and smash the f'ing computer every time I see it.
Some anger management meetings come to mind ;)

BuTtErFrEnA
Mar 23rd, 2009, 05:33 PM
bepa

jamatthews
Mar 23rd, 2009, 05:34 PM
I prefer Bepareva

sammy01
Mar 23rd, 2009, 05:34 PM
Some anger management meetings come to mind ;)

i was thinking that to lol.

im sure some psychologist would attribute it to some problem in justins life thats manifesting through his hate of the word bepa, me im just a lay person so im gonna call him mad lol :p

nevetssllim
Mar 23rd, 2009, 05:42 PM
.... is when morons refer to Zvonareva as "Bepa." It is so god damn annoying. I hate that stupid crap of, "Well, in Russian a V and an R......." blah, blah, blah. Nicknames are supposed to be cute. Bepa is ridiculous. I want to take a brick and smash the f'ing computer every time I see it.

The most annoying thing about wtaworld (and all forums for that matter) is when people exaggerate how they are feeling :rolleyes:

I think Bepa is very cute :drool:

égalité
Mar 23rd, 2009, 05:44 PM
It's not a nickname. It's, like, actually what her name is.

BEPA 3BOHAPËBA. :drool: :drool: :drool:

Dodoboy.
Mar 23rd, 2009, 05:50 PM
Beeepaa

Bepa

frenchie
Mar 23rd, 2009, 05:51 PM
it's her real name...

Shoulderpova
Mar 23rd, 2009, 05:51 PM
Go Bepa :wavey:

Marcelo.
Mar 23rd, 2009, 05:52 PM
Bepa :inlove:

MaBaker
Mar 23rd, 2009, 05:52 PM
:unsure:

Kart
Mar 23rd, 2009, 06:04 PM
You know, it had never occurred to me that's why she has this nickname until I read this thread. To this point I'd always assumed it was just some clever in-joke amongst her die-hard fans.

I'm clearly even slower on the uptake than I thought.

pov
Mar 23rd, 2009, 06:08 PM
.... is when morons refer to Zvonareva as "Bepa." It is so god damn annoying. I hate that stupid crap of, "Well, in Russian a V and an R......." blah, blah, blah. Nicknames are supposed to be cute. Bepa is ridiculous. I want to take a brick and smash the f'ing computer every time I see it.
Yes there, under the bed - your bottle of chill pills. Got 'em? Great. Here's some water . alright . .cool.

Hurley
Mar 23rd, 2009, 06:10 PM
Technically, the surname should come first.

It's actually PA Be (CHN).

AndreConrad
Mar 23rd, 2009, 06:16 PM
Technically, the surname should come first.

It's actually PA Be (CHN).
:confused:
Bepa has nothing to do with surname. It is her first name spelled in cyrillic alphabet.

Hurley
Mar 23rd, 2009, 06:17 PM
Really? Because I obviously thought she was a Chinese superstar.

charmedRic
Mar 23rd, 2009, 06:20 PM
You know, it had never occurred to me that's why she has this nickname until I read this thread. To this point I'd always assumed it was just some clever in-joke amongst her die-hard fans.

I'm clearly even slower on the uptake than I thought.

ditto. :wavey: :lol:

AndreConrad
Mar 23rd, 2009, 06:20 PM
Really? Because I obviously thought she was a Chinese superstar.
That's right!!! Where have I been??? Pa Be are Chinese characters sounding out the name of Egyptian God Ra!

miffedmax
Mar 23rd, 2009, 06:22 PM
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And for good measure I'm tempted to start calling Mommy Vera Mommy Bepa just to really piss you off...

égalité
Mar 23rd, 2009, 06:23 PM
^Mommy Bepa :hysteric:

joão.
Mar 23rd, 2009, 06:24 PM
:weirdo:

Christinawww
Mar 23rd, 2009, 06:27 PM
now that we are kind of on the subject. "Masha" is that just a common nick name for Maria in russian? Once I thought it was the beginning of her first name and the beginning og her last name. This is supported by some people referring to Kirilenko as Makiri. But others called Kirilenko Masha too, so I am leaning towards that Masha is just nick for Maria, just as in Slovak (and probably other languages) Daniela is shortened to Danka.

Hurley
Mar 23rd, 2009, 06:30 PM
Yes, Masha is a nickname for every Maria who would like to be called as such.

Kirilenko fans and their creation of "Makiri" on the "Ma + Sha" basis are :lol: :weirdo:

KournikovaFan91
Mar 23rd, 2009, 06:30 PM
I like Vera but I find that name annoying,.

Adal
Mar 23rd, 2009, 06:31 PM
I guess leaving WtaWorld is the only solution to that kind of problem
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Ciarán
Mar 23rd, 2009, 06:37 PM
BEPA

danieln1
Mar 23rd, 2009, 06:38 PM
I like Bepa... :haha: :haha:

aezzei
Mar 23rd, 2009, 06:39 PM
Bepa is cute ^^

Christinawww
Mar 23rd, 2009, 06:40 PM
Yes, Masha is a nickname for every Maria who would like to be called as such.

Kirilenko fans and their creation of "Makiri" on the "Ma + Sha" basis are :lol: :weirdo:

well for people who are not familiar with Russian and that group of languages, it's an easy mistake to make.
Thanks for clarifying it to me :worship:

bobbynorwich
Mar 23rd, 2009, 06:40 PM
:confused:
Bepa has nothing to do with surname. It is her first name spelled in cyrillic alphabet.

Beba is no sillier a nickname than JJ, Rena, Masha, Vika, Isia (Aga), or Ula --- to name a few. Certainly easier to say than VZ.

Ellery
Mar 23rd, 2009, 06:41 PM
It's adorable :D

I love Bepa Zvonareva :dance:

Hurley
Mar 23rd, 2009, 06:42 PM
well for people who are not familiar with Russian and that group of languages, it's an easy mistake to make.
Thanks for clarifying it to me :worship:

Hey...it is a laughable reason to have invented it, but they win: it's stuck! (The poor girl...)

miffedmax
Mar 23rd, 2009, 06:45 PM
Yes, Masha is a nickname for every Maria who would like to be called as such.

Kirilenko fans and their creation of "Makiri" on the "Ma + Sha" basis are :lol: :weirdo:

Yeah, but there are other traditions where a mashup of first and last names is a perfectly normal way of creating a nickname and let's face, until I convince everyone to go with TOB for Masha, Makiri was going to get stuck with a left over nickname.

Actually, it's kind of interesting to see what kind of nicknames stick on a multinational board like this. I don't know for sure, but for example isn't dropping the "E" and calling her "Lena" much more English/American than Russian, yet that nickname has stuck. I'm pretty certain that adding the first letter of tha last name (Lena D.) is an Americanism. Momo and JuJus seem to be a Francophone approach to nicks (ala Zizou) and I'm sure there are others.

Just another one of the many reasons I spend too much time here--learning stuff like this.

gmak
Mar 23rd, 2009, 06:48 PM
Go Bepa!!!! :worship: :kiss: :rocker:

Cp6uja
Mar 23rd, 2009, 06:54 PM
Not only for Bepa - some annoying posters use here Cyrillic letters even for theirs own TennisForum members names :eek: :help: :mad:

MechWarrior2k
Mar 23rd, 2009, 07:00 PM
How about MAWA when Sharapova comes up?:lol:

AnnaK_4ever
Mar 23rd, 2009, 07:02 PM
Vera is one of few Russian names that don't have diminutives. Maybe that's why a "Вера" has become so popular here.

With others you could use Lena, Sveta, Nastya, Vika, Nadia etc. But Vera always being Vera is kinda boring I guess...

Svetlana.
Mar 23rd, 2009, 07:03 PM
spelling Bepa is very ok if you can read Russian... but can be annoying to someone who does not :lol:

LOL at Kart comment/confession

Svetlana.
Mar 23rd, 2009, 07:04 PM
Vera is one of few Russian names that don't have diminutives. Maybe that's why a "Вера" has become so popular here.

With others you could use Lena, Sveta, Nastya, Vika, Nadia etc. But Vera always being Vera is kinda boring I guess...

how about Verunchik or Verochka ;)

AnnaK_4ever
Mar 23rd, 2009, 07:12 PM
how about Verunchik or Verochka ;)

Not that diminutive, don't you think?

I would never call anyone "Verunchik" or "Verochka" in person. Unless "Verochka" is a baby girl :lol:

Christinawww
Mar 23rd, 2009, 07:16 PM
what is Nadia a short version of?

The Dawntreader
Mar 23rd, 2009, 07:18 PM
Posters who assume they know their fav players intimately.

I remember saying someone saying:

' how can you say you hate her personality?'

How can you say otherwise though?

I agree about the obscure nicknames. 'Tati' for example, sounds like a lady of the night:tape::lol:

Hurley
Mar 23rd, 2009, 07:21 PM
what is Nadia a short version of?

Nadejda

rrfnpump
Mar 23rd, 2009, 07:22 PM
what is Nadia a short version of?

Надежда Викторовна Петрова = Nadezhda Viktorovna Petrova

AnnaK_4ever
Mar 23rd, 2009, 07:28 PM
If someone doesn't like "Вера" one could always call Zvonareva "Faith".
Petrova could be called "Hope".

Imagine :

Faith def. Hope 75 64
:lol:

The Dawntreader
Mar 23rd, 2009, 07:28 PM
If someone doesn't like "Вера" one could always call Zvonareva "Faith".
Petrova could be called "Hope".

Imagine :

Faith def. Hope 75 64
:lol:

What a cynical match:lol:

Dave.
Mar 23rd, 2009, 07:29 PM
Petrova was actually 'Nadejda Petrova' in her first few years on tour.

Svetlana.
Mar 23rd, 2009, 07:30 PM
what is Nadia a short version of?

Nadejda

Nadejda is a full version of the name, and Nadia is short

rrfnpump
Mar 23rd, 2009, 07:32 PM
If someone doesn't like "Вера" one could always call Zvonareva "Faith".
Petrova could be called "Hope".

Imagine :

Faith def. Hope 75 64
:lol:

Unfortunately, Hope owns Faith :sobbing: But Faith owns Cake :banana:

Btw, what does Viktorovna in Nadia's name stand for? Is it some kind of Viktor's son (like Jonsson in swedish)?

Svetlana.
Mar 23rd, 2009, 07:35 PM
it's her middle name. In Russia father's name is your middle name.

Svetlana.
Mar 23rd, 2009, 07:35 PM
:lol: the best thread of the day

propi
Mar 23rd, 2009, 07:41 PM
You know, it had never occurred to me that's why she has this nickname until I read this thread. To this point I'd always assumed it was just some clever in-joke amongst her die-hard fans.

I'm clearly even slower on the uptake than I thought.
Yeah ;)
obvioulsy. GM is always full of clever messages, can't you fell the smell of wisdom floating in the air? ;)

RenaSlam.
Mar 23rd, 2009, 07:42 PM
LOL.

True that.

Ksenia.
Mar 23rd, 2009, 07:47 PM
Omg this is so damn funny when English speakers think that it is actually supposed to be pronounced "Bepa" :lol: This is called Cyrillic letters :wavey:

Craig.
Mar 23rd, 2009, 07:51 PM
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-Sonic-
Mar 23rd, 2009, 07:52 PM
Heh well if thats the most annoying thing you have to deal with on here, then I envy you :)

rrfnpump
Mar 23rd, 2009, 08:09 PM
it's her middle name. In Russia father's name is your middle name.

Ah, ok. :) So its Maria Yurievna Sharapova? :lol:

TheBoiledEgg
Mar 23rd, 2009, 08:23 PM
always one thread to make you laugh :spit:

Bepa !!!!!!!!

CrossCourt~Rally
Mar 23rd, 2009, 08:26 PM
:hearts: BEPA :hearts:

Ksenia.
Mar 23rd, 2009, 08:27 PM
Ah, ok. :) So its Maria Yurievna Sharapova? :lol:

exactly :p

Svetlana.
Mar 23rd, 2009, 08:27 PM
Ah, ok. :) So its Maria Yurievna Sharapova? :lol:

yep :lol:

tenn_ace
Mar 23rd, 2009, 08:30 PM
.... is when morons refer to Zvonareva as "Bepa." It is so god damn annoying. I hate that stupid crap of, "Well, in Russian a V and an R......." blah, blah, blah. Nicknames are supposed to be cute. Bepa is ridiculous. I want to take a brick and smash the f'ing computer every time I see it.

I can't believe you live in NY. I thought ALL who live in NY are worldly... and would know that Vera is actually A NAME.

justine schnyder
Mar 23rd, 2009, 08:35 PM
What a thread :lol: :lol:

Rix643
Mar 23rd, 2009, 08:39 PM
Ah, ok. :) So its Maria Yurievna Sharapova? :lol:

And also Maria Yurievna Kirilenko

TheBoiledEgg
Mar 23rd, 2009, 08:43 PM
And also Maria Yurievna Kirilenko

now they all gonna think they got the same dad :lol: :tape:

ivanban
Mar 23rd, 2009, 08:55 PM
.... is when morons refer to Zvonareva as "Bepa." It is so god damn annoying. I hate that stupid crap of, "Well, in Russian a V and an R......." blah, blah, blah. Nicknames are supposed to be cute. Bepa is ridiculous. I want to take a brick and smash the f'ing computer every time I see it.

For your information we how use cyrilic letters in our native language actually write her name Bepa :rolleyes: So, for us that's not even a nickname :(

Anyway, definitely most annoying thing about TF aka WTAworld are Database Errors :hearts:

Ksenia.
Mar 23rd, 2009, 09:16 PM
For your information we how use cyrilic letters in our native language actually write her name Bepa :rolleyes: So, for us that's not even a nickname :(

Anyway, definitely most annoying thing about TF aka WTAworld are Data Errors :hearts:
:worship:

Rix643
Mar 23rd, 2009, 09:27 PM
Or scripting errors like:
Warning: array_keys() [function.array-keys]: The first argument should be an array in /includes/class_core.php on line 1252

Warning: Invalid argument supplied for foreach() in /includes/class_core.php on line 1252

on the www. version.
Good thing the www2 still works rather okay (knock on wood).

Bayo
Mar 23rd, 2009, 09:32 PM
I first encountered it on another forum and found it silly because I'm sure most of the people using it had no genuine idea about the rest of the Cyrillic alphabet.

This board is more international, so I'm hoping that most who use it could at least identify the other characters. Including this bitch: ы, who always effs up my Russian pronunciation.

Bounty Hunter
Mar 23rd, 2009, 09:41 PM
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MechWarrior2k
Mar 23rd, 2009, 09:42 PM
Guess OP hasn't seen CBETA, MAPAT, AHHA, HATAWA, A|IHA, E|EHA, olbra enough. I'd like to see OP pronounce PECTOPAH...LOL :cool:

Ksenia.
Mar 23rd, 2009, 09:43 PM
Guess OP hasn't seen CBETA, MAPAT, AHHA, HATAWA, ALIHA, ELEHA, olra enough. I'd like to see OP pronounce PECTOPAH...LOL :cool:ALIHA, is that Алина? :lol:

Svetlana.
Mar 23rd, 2009, 09:45 PM
Guess OP hasn't seen CBETA, MAPAT, AHHA, HATAWA, ALIHA, ELEHA, olra enough. I'd like to see OP pronounce PECTOPAH...LOL :cool:

HATAWA :lol: do you mean Natasha?

MechWarrior2k
Mar 23rd, 2009, 09:51 PM
Ya tolko Amerikanets. U menya net Ruskaya klaviatury. :( If only I could practice enough Russian to actually have a need for one...sigh

Ksenia.
Mar 23rd, 2009, 09:53 PM
Ya tolko Amerikanets. U menya net Ruskaya klaviatury. :( If only I could practice enough Russian to actually have a need for one...sighwe actually had a russian chatthread here on whaworld... but it is kinda dead now :lol:

MechWarrior2k
Mar 23rd, 2009, 09:54 PM
Actually, there is A|EHA I was thinking about but got it mixed up with Alina. :)

Svetlana.
Mar 23rd, 2009, 09:57 PM
Ya tolko Amerikanets. U menya net Ruskaya klaviatury. :( If only I could practice enough Russian to actually have a need for one...sigh

you are doing very well... I understand what you are saying :wavey:

use cyrillic keyboard if you want to write someting in Russian:

http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/PaulGor/screen_e.htm

Svetlana.
Mar 23rd, 2009, 09:58 PM
Actually, there is A|EHA I was thinking about but got it mixed up with Alina. :)

АЛЁНА :hearts:

égalité
Mar 24th, 2009, 07:46 AM
I first encountered it on another forum and found it silly because I'm sure most of the people using it had no genuine idea about the rest of the Cyrillic alphabet.

This board is more international, so I'm hoping that most who use it could at least identify the other characters. Including this bitch: ы, who always effs up my Russian pronunciation.

Best letter in the Russian alphabet. :hearts:

like in Myskina. Мыскина. :inlove:

Sapphisto
Mar 24th, 2009, 08:00 AM
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And for good measure I'm tempted to start calling Mommy Vera Mommy Bepa just to really piss you off...

:haha: I just had to do it...

If someone doesn't like "Вера" one could always call Zvonareva "Faith".
Petrova could be called "Hope".

Imagine :

Faith def. Hope 75 64
:lol:

But then who's Charity? (And did she start at home??!!) :ignore:

Привет
Mar 24th, 2009, 08:15 AM
Not only for Bepa - some annoying posters use here Cyrillic letters even for theirs own TennisForum members names :eek: :help: :mad:
Heathens! :speakles:
Omg this is so damn funny when English speakers think that it is actually supposed to be pronounced "Bepa" :lol: This is called Cyrillic letters :wavey:
:lol: What I want to know is whether people actually pronounce "Bepa" like 'beeper'. :rolls:



Poor Bepa, she can't even have people say her name without people hating it. :awww:

Dandy_Warhol
Mar 24th, 2009, 09:10 AM
Rafa finds this annoyance crazy and f*cked

http://i677.photobucket.com/albums/vv137/psp358/gifs/rafaelnadal-fu.gif

Golovinjured.
Mar 24th, 2009, 09:35 AM
Is this the new Serena? Bepa?


I prefer Teara Blubbereva :bigcry::bigcry:

ViennaCalling
Mar 24th, 2009, 09:48 AM
:rolls:

Rix643
Mar 24th, 2009, 10:02 AM
The most annoying thing about WTAWorld.... by far

Posters who take the sport (and this website!!) way to serious...

;)

Josh.
Mar 24th, 2009, 10:48 AM
Because I can: Bepa.

Ziggy Starduck
Mar 24th, 2009, 10:48 AM
This is hilarious, to all the funny people out there - I salute you:worship:

Mynarco
Mar 24th, 2009, 10:53 AM
BEPA

BEPA

BEPA

BEPA


I am so scared that justin's fists would be bleeding like hell due to long fistpunching; please, give him/her/whatever some medical aid please :unsure:

StZox
Mar 24th, 2009, 01:19 PM
From now on, I will call Ana "AHA" - also Cyrillic.

BlameSerena
Mar 24th, 2009, 01:23 PM
Justin...DON'T READ THIS THREAD. If you do, then there's no way your computer will survive the bashing you'll give it. I've counted 39,368 B words. :p

égalité
Mar 24th, 2009, 01:27 PM
Rafa finds this annoyance crazy and f*cked

http://i677.photobucket.com/albums/vv137/psp358/gifs/rafaelnadal-fu.gif

omg what is this picture? :tears: :bepa:

Brengle_Nation
Mar 24th, 2009, 01:49 PM
Bepa!

BuTtErFrEnA
Mar 24th, 2009, 02:12 PM
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And for good measure I'm tempted to start calling Mommy Vera Mommy Bepa just to really piss you off...

If someone doesn't like "Вера" one could always call Zvonareva "Faith".
Petrova could be called "Hope".

Imagine :

Faith def. Hope 75 64
:lol:



*DEATH*

drake3781
Mar 24th, 2009, 02:52 PM
So it is pronounced Vera? :rolleyes:

Yes it is very annoying, whatever the case.

rrfnpump
Mar 24th, 2009, 03:06 PM
Where is the thread starter? ... Oh, there he is:

http://i42.tinypic.com/33vnu6f.jpg

Dexter
Mar 24th, 2009, 03:21 PM
use cyrillic keyboard if you want to write someting in Russian:

http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/PaulGor/screen_e.htmwww.translit.ru is much more useful. ;)

Sexysova
Mar 24th, 2009, 03:28 PM
maybe Bepa? :devil:

Effy
Mar 24th, 2009, 03:30 PM
:haha:

Serena?

Bayo
Mar 24th, 2009, 03:31 PM
Best letter in the Russian alphabet. :hearts:

like in Myskina. Мыскина. :inlove:

You can keep it. :lol:

My first Russian professor told us to "swallow" that letter. Then I just felt like I was choking.

Dexter
Mar 24th, 2009, 03:35 PM
I absolutely don't understand what so difficult with ы :shrug:

AndreConrad
Mar 24th, 2009, 03:40 PM
"ы" is as easy or difficult as any other sound. I guess when speaking another language the hardest part is to realize that the sounds are similar but different than in your own native language. Question if Bepa is pronounced Vera is difficult to answer. I guess as close as "English" sounds come to "Russian", but it is direct transcription.

I speak primarily English for many years now and still have harder time with cup vs. cop or body vs. buddy

Bayo
Mar 24th, 2009, 04:06 PM
I'm a stickler for pronunciation. And ы sounds like nothing in English or Cuban dialect Spanish. Too guttural.

But I was relieved when a Russian friend told me she'd never heard a non-native speaker (I assume she meant of Slavic languages) completely master its pronunciation.

Jose.
Mar 24th, 2009, 04:10 PM
This thread is very strange :scratch:

ninanina19
Mar 24th, 2009, 05:09 PM
I find the mean girl gifs/avatars annoying :o.

Rix643
Mar 24th, 2009, 05:32 PM
This thread is very strange :scratch:

This board is very strange.. :p

Direwolf
Mar 24th, 2009, 05:58 PM
I still
find
some
Serena fans more annoying!

Optima
Mar 24th, 2009, 06:00 PM
Bepa :hearts:

LoveFifteen
Mar 24th, 2009, 06:08 PM
What's with people saying her name is Bepa because those are the cyrillic letters? We aren't typing in Cyrillic here. Should people start typing things like CBETA for Sveta?

volta
Mar 24th, 2009, 06:09 PM
really? OF ALL THINGS? wow :o

Inger67
Mar 24th, 2009, 06:10 PM
I hate it too actually. It is quite annoying.

Rix643
Mar 24th, 2009, 06:12 PM
What's with people saying her name is Bepa because those are the cyrillic letters? We aren't typing in Cyrillic here. Should people start typing things like CBETA for Sveta?

Never thought about that.... :o


CBETA? :confused:

CBETA! :hearts: :inlove:

Great idea!!!! :bounce:

LoveFifteen
Mar 24th, 2009, 06:18 PM
Never thought about that.... :o


CBETA? :confused:

CBETA! :hearts: :inlove:

Great idea!!!! :bounce:

Actually, the way you type her name in Cyrillic is Игор.

AnnaK_4ever
Mar 24th, 2009, 06:22 PM
Игор.

makes no sense in Russian :shrug:

Inger67
Mar 24th, 2009, 06:23 PM
I wish I knew Russian :D

pav
Mar 24th, 2009, 06:32 PM
My previous two posts have been deleted because I may have been just a teeny bit violent in the direction of the lovely thread starter:angel: so I think all I can safely write is... :hearts: Bepa:worship:
Attention Mods is this a suitable response:confused: my re education is almost complete

auntie janie
Mar 24th, 2009, 06:34 PM
I've decided to call her Bepita. :hearts:

AndreConrad
Mar 24th, 2009, 06:38 PM
makes no sense in Russian :shrug:
I guess what some posters are saying is that we could as well type here words in Chinese, Arabic or any other alphabet, or perhaps start posting in a language of our choice (what some of posters do). If we did that we could not communicate at all. I agree that English is the language for this board, however Vera's name has been spelled Bepa so many times that by now almost every one knows it, so it is not a big deal. :shrug:

Rix643
Mar 24th, 2009, 06:38 PM
makes no sense in Russian :shrug:

He meant: Игорь

LoveFifteen
Mar 24th, 2009, 07:15 PM
makes no sense in Russian :shrug:

I was trying to type "Igor" in Russian. I failed. :lol:

I guess what some posters are saying is that we could as well type here words in Chinese, Arabic or any other alphabet, or perhaps start posting in a language of our choice (what some of posters do). If we did that we could not communicate at all. I agree that English is the language for this board, however Vera's name has been spelled Bepa so many times that by now almost every one knows it, so it is not a big deal. :shrug:
No, that wasn't what I was saying. I was trying to call Sveta Igor. :angel:

He meant: Игорь
My Russian is terrible. I didn't realize that it ended in a soft sign. It's interesting how the soft sign makes the difference between correctness and being totally unintelligible. My ears are so bad I can hardly hear a difference when the soft sign is there, in general. :sad:

AnnaK_4ever
Mar 24th, 2009, 07:39 PM
He meant: Игорь

I know.

But calling Sveta "Игорь" makes no sense in Russian, that's what I mean.

Rix643
Mar 24th, 2009, 08:41 PM
Ms. Kuznetsova received the not-so-flattering nickname "Igor" on this board, partially due to the depictions of her made by Miffedmax in his LRC-threads and probably in reference to dr. Frankenstein's assistant.
Correct me if I'm wrong.

tea
Mar 24th, 2009, 08:59 PM
Well, 'Bepa' is OK. But people type 'bepa' quite frequently, which has no sense in Russian either in English. That annoy me as well.:p
But calling Sveta "Игорь" makes no sense in Russian, that's what I mean.
True. Can't get a clue what do they mean.

AnnaK_4ever
Mar 24th, 2009, 09:11 PM
Ms. Kuznetsova received the not-so-flattering nickname "Igor" on this board, partially due to the depictions of her made by Miffedmax in his LRC-threads and probably in reference to dr. Frankenstein's assistant.
Correct me if I'm wrong.

Mary Shelley' story is not popular in Russia and the name of Frankenstein's assistant is hardly known here. That's why calling Kuznetsova "Игорь" is meaningless in Russian.

Now that's a whole different story with English and "Igor".

Rix643
Mar 24th, 2009, 09:25 PM
Ah. Ok. I see what you mean. Sorry it took some time, but my mind isn't that quick anymore (well, selectively..;))

LoveFifteen
Mar 24th, 2009, 09:59 PM
Mary Shelley' story is not popular in Russia and the name of Frankenstein's assistant is hardly known here. That's why calling Kuznetsova "Игорь" is meaningless in Russian.

Now that's a whole different story with English and "Igor".
I love you, honey, and especially your statistics threads. :hearts:

But I think you're taking my stupid joke a little too literally. :lol:

AnnaK_4ever
Mar 24th, 2009, 11:00 PM
Jokes aside :devil:, we should just call her Svetlana Blacksmith since that's what her family name means ;)

miffedmax
Mar 25th, 2009, 01:54 PM
Igor is not a character in Mary Shelley's book. Interestingly, he shows up in like the third of the Universial movies as I recall.

Okay, here's one for all you Russians. I've just finished reading the "Nightwatch" series. There are characters named "Igor" and "Ygor."

What's the deal? I thought "Ygor" was a variation on "Igor." Are they separate names? Is something getting lost in translation here?

And when the hell is the last movie getting released in the US? I know it's opened in Russia. Is it as good as the first two (especially the first one?)

Ås we know from this board, Russian names play havoc with us poor English speakers. ;)

AnnaK_4ever
Mar 25th, 2009, 02:09 PM
Igor is not a character in Mary Shelley's book. Interestingly, he shows up in like the third of the Universial movies as I recall.

Stop confusing us! :fiery: :lol:

Okay, here's one for all you Russians. I've just finished reading the "Nightwatch" series. There are characters named "Igor" and "Ygor."

What's the deal? I thought "Ygor" was a variation on "Igor." Are they separate names? Is something getting lost in translation here?

There are two variants of the same name similar names in Russian : Игорь (Igor) and Егор (Egor -- though it should be spelled Yegor much like Elena should be spelled Yelena).

P.S.
Corrected myself.

Malva
Mar 25th, 2009, 10:21 PM
now that we are kind of on the subject. "Masha" is that just a common nick name for Maria in russian? Once I thought it was the beginning of her first name and the beginning og her last name. This is supported by some people referring to Kirilenko as Makiri. But others called Kirilenko Masha too, so I am leaning towards that Masha is just nick for Maria, just as in Slovak (and probably other languages) Daniela is shortened to Danka.

Masha (Маша) is the most common diminutive form of Maria (Мария). It is not a nickname.

Malva
Mar 25th, 2009, 10:26 PM
Jokes aside :devil:, we should just call her Svetlana Blacksmith since that's what her family name means ;)

Not exactly. Кузнецова is not a noun, though is derived from noun Кузнец, the latter indeed means Smith.

Malva
Mar 25th, 2009, 10:41 PM
I guess what some posters are saying is that we could as well type here words in Chinese, Arabic or any other alphabet, or perhaps start posting in a language of our choice (what some of posters do). If we did that we could not communicate at all. I agree that English is the language for this board, however Vera's name has been spelled Bepa so many times that by now almost every one knows it, so it is not a big deal. :shrug:

Sure we should communicate in a common language, otherwise communication would not be possible.

Players' names are, however, something different. Not only I do not object, in fact I like seeing and writing players' names in their original spelling, and doing this correctly. First, I consider it nice to know how the names of the players we discuss daily are spelled, secondly, writing them this way educates fans, and adds flavor to the posts, and in most cases it is easy to guess who is meant, e.g., Дементьева -- one doesn't need to be intelligent to guess that this is transliterated as 'Dementieva'. Slightly harder may be Анна Чакветадзе's name in its original Georgian spelling, ანა ჩაკვეტაძე, but that would intrigue people, they would ask, and they would recognize it the next time.

égalité
Mar 25th, 2009, 10:50 PM
You can keep it. :lol:

My first Russian professor told us to "swallow" that letter. Then I just felt like I was choking.

I learned it as the "getting punched in the stomach" letter. It's super easy when you think of it like that. :hearts:

Malva
Mar 25th, 2009, 11:14 PM
If someone doesn't like "Вера" one could always call Zvonareva "Faith".
Petrova could be called "Hope".

Imagine :

Faith def. Hope 75 64
:lol:

Yes, I remember, in their most recent encounter that I watched, Faith had faith in herself, Hope was however hopeless.

You can keep it. :lol:

My first Russian professor told us to "swallow" that letter. Then I just felt like I was choking.

Just listen to the native speakers, to the tapes/CD's. Тhе sound of ы is not hard for a foreigner. The general intonation of the language and the right degree of softness can and do pose a problem for a non-native speaker.

If I could learn how to pronounce correctly Chinese, you can learn to pronounce Russian.

Malva
Mar 25th, 2009, 11:17 PM
Ya tolko Amerikanets. U menya net Ruskaya klaviatury. :( If only I could practice enough Russian to actually have a need for one...sigh

If you use Windows, go to

Control Panel > Clock, Language, and Region
>> Change keyboard or other input methods

and in the Keyboards and Languages tab click Change keyboards, then click Add, select Russian, keyboard yawerty.

That's what I find most convenient on standard qwerty keyboards.

All the letters are in their obvious locations except for just a few, and you'll learn the location of those few additional ones instantly.

You switch between keyboards in a given window/application by pressing

Shift+LeftAlt

I use several keyboard maps: English, Central European (my own map, covers all without exception Slavic Latin alphabets plus Hungarian and Romanian), Russian Cyrilic (I made this map myself as well: covers all the additional Russian letters used in pre-revolutionary orthography), Greek (with Polytonic accents), and Arabic.

partbrit
Mar 25th, 2009, 11:18 PM
If you think that's the most annoying thing about the forum, you are lucky indeed.

LoveFifteen
Mar 25th, 2009, 11:22 PM
If you think that's the most annoying thing about the forum, you are lucky indeed.

Yeah, seriously! The most annoying thing here is actually Скотсо. :angel:

Monica_Rules
Mar 25th, 2009, 11:29 PM
I so didn't know whay she was called Bepa. At least this thread has cleared that up for me.

AnnaK_4ever
Mar 26th, 2009, 12:54 AM
Not exactly. Кузнецова is not a noun, though is derived from noun Кузнец, the latter indeed means Smith.

Кузнецова is a noun though :p

Malva
Mar 26th, 2009, 03:20 AM
Кузнецова is a noun though :p

Кузнецова is an adjective derived from noun кузнец, which means smith, by attaching to it formant -ова which is the feminine form of formant -ов. This formant indicates «possession, belonging»: xyz-ов(a) — (something/someone) belonging to xyz.

This formant is very old, and is reconstructed as *-ovъ-jь. Here ъ and ь are extra-short vowels of Old-Slavic, called yers. Generally speaking this formant was used to form possessive adjectives derived from masculine hard stem nouns.

Besides Russian, we see it in other Slavic languages, and in some of them, or at least in certain dialects, it continues to be functional (which means that new adjectives can be formed this way from nouns). It is very common in the names of localities, it is also common in feminine names originally derived from husband's name or occupation (in Russian both masculine and feminine names can be formed this way; in Czech and Slovak only feminine ones).

égalité
Mar 26th, 2009, 03:23 AM
It isn't!

It's a name. :shrug: What else would it be? :p

Malva
Mar 26th, 2009, 04:33 AM
It's a name. :shrug: What else would it be? :p

In Slavic languages surnames are very often adjectives. Radwańska, Domachowska, Vaidišová, Шарапова, Звонарева, Клейбанова, Дементьева, Говорцова, Воскобаева, Веснина, Cetkovská, and countless other are all adjectives.

égalité
Mar 26th, 2009, 04:35 AM
In Slavic languages surnames are very often adjectives.

Yeah, the ones with adjectival endings, like Linetskaya. Kuznetsova declines like a noun (mostly).

The -OB ending is a genitive (i.e. indicating possession) ending, but it's totally different for names. You have to take more into account than textbook grammar and old word roots when talking about language. The word ученый is Russian is a noun. It looks and acts like an adjective but it means "scientist. Which is a noun.

In The Zone
Mar 26th, 2009, 04:42 AM
Bepa isn't a nickname (as I'm sure 300 other posts say in this thread).

She signed for me once and it even says Bepa. Dushevina signed Bepa also.

Malva
Mar 26th, 2009, 04:44 AM
Yeah, the ones with adjectival endings, like Linetskaya. Kuznetsova declines like a noun (mostly).

The -OB ending is a genitive (i.e. indicating possession) ending, but it's totally different for names.

-ов is not the Genitive case ending in Slavic, it is an adjectival formant. The best proof that it isn't is that being an adjectival formant it has its own case endings. Genitive of кузнец is кузнец-а, but Genitive of кузнецова is кузнецов-ой.

Another proof that кузнецов is an adjective is that it can qualify a noun, like, e.g., in Кузнецов Пруд, Кузнецов Мост, Кузнецовa Горка, Кузнецово Поле.

In the same vain, a film of the legendary Russian film director, Andrei Tarkovsky, is called «Иваново детство», yet another indication that names like Иванов, Кузнецов, Шарапов, are all adjectives.


You have to take more into account than textbook grammar and old word roots when talking about language. The word ученый is Russian is a noun. It looks and acts like an adjective but it means "scientist. Which is a noun.

Grammar is grammar. Nouns, adjectives, verbs are morphological and syntactic categories, not semantic one. A lot of adjectives can function as subjects and objects of sentences, the place normally reserved for nouns, yet they still remain adjectives.


Yeah, the ones with adjectival endings, like Linetskaya. Kuznetsova declines like a noun (mostly).

There is no such thing "declines like a noun". Nouns and adjectives are inflected according to the declensions they belong to. In Indo-European languages the number of declensions varies. Actually, the examples you provided are inflected as adjectives according to their respective declensions.

égalité
Mar 26th, 2009, 07:21 AM
-ов is not the Genitive case ending in Slavic, it is an adjectival formant. The best proof that it isn't is that being an adjectival formant it has its own case endings. Genitive of кузнец is кузнец-а, but Genitive of кузнецова is кузнецов-ой.

Another proof that кузнецов is an adjective is that it can qualify a noun, like, e.g., in Кузнецов Пруд, Кузнецов Мост, Кузнецовa Горка, Кузнецово Поле.



Grammar is grammar. Nouns, adjectives, verbs are morphological and syntactic categories, not semantic one. A lot of adjectives can function as subjects and objects of sentences, the place normally reserved for nouns, yet they still remain adjectives.



There is no such thing "declines like a noun". Nouns and adjectives are inflected according to the declensions they belong to. In Indo-European languages the number of declensions varies. Actually, the examples you provided are inflected as adjectives according to their respective declensions.

Um, "OB" is a genitive plural case ending in Russian. :tape:

Also, total standardization of grammar and spelling is a relatively recent phenomenon. I know that the genitive form of Кузнецова is Кузнецовой, but the accusative form is Кузнецову, which is like a noun. Here's a quote from a textbook on names ending in ов, ев, ин, or ын: "there surnames decline like nouns in the accusative/genitive, dative and prepositional forms and in the nominative plural, but in the remaining cases they have adjectival endings."

Lin Lin
Mar 26th, 2009, 07:25 AM
:rolls:

égalité
Mar 26th, 2009, 07:26 AM
:rolls:

Right?

Arguing with malva = :inlove:

Malva
Mar 26th, 2009, 09:48 AM
Um, "OB" is a genitive plural case ending in Russian. :tape:

Also, total standardization of grammar and spelling is a relatively recent phenomenon. I know that the genitive form of Кузнецова is Кузнецовой, but the accusative form is Кузнецову, which is like a noun. Here's a quote from a textbook on names ending in ов, ев, ин, or ын: "there surnames decline like nouns in the accusative/genitive, dative and prepositional forms and in the nominative plural, but in the remaining cases they have adjectival endings."

I provided as accurate information as I could. You can do with it whatever you wish. This is not a class, and nobody is paying me for the expenditure of my time and effort to provide accurate information. Everything I do here is my pure good will. I am sorry to say, however, that if you wrote what you did in your responses to my posts on a midterm/quiz at a place like the University of California, Berkeley, in any introductory class in Slavic/Russian linguistics, you would get an "F" with an annotation "Please learn the basics."

rrfnpump
Mar 26th, 2009, 10:35 AM
I provided as accurate information as I could. You can do with it whatever you wish. This is not a class, and nobody is paying me for the expenditure of my time and effort to provide accurate information. Everything I do here is my pure good will. I am sorry to say, however, that if you wrote what you did in your responses to my posts on a midterm/quiz at a place like the University of California, Berkeley, in any introductory class in Slavic/Russian linguistics, you would get an "F" with an annotation "Please learn the basics."

:lol: :tape:

This thread is becoming a classic. :bepa:

Oswald56
Mar 26th, 2009, 10:46 AM
I learn so much on WTA World

Lunaris
Mar 26th, 2009, 11:05 AM
Volcana's threads are much more annoying.

AnnaK_4ever
Mar 26th, 2009, 03:28 PM
-ов is not the Genitive case ending in Slavic, it is an adjectival formant. The best proof that it isn't is that being an adjectival formant it has its own case endings. Genitive of кузнец is кузнец-а, but Genitive of кузнецова is кузнецов-ой.

Another proof that кузнецов is an adjective is that it can qualify a noun, like, e.g., in Кузнецов Пруд, Кузнецов Мост, Кузнецовa Горка, Кузнецово Поле.

In the same vain, a film of the legendary Russian film director, Andrei Tarkovsky, is called «Иваново детство», yet another indication that names like Иванов, Кузнецов, Шарапов, are all adjectives.

Grammar is grammar. Nouns, adjectives, verbs are morphological and syntactic categories, not semantic one. A lot of adjectives can function as subjects and objects of sentences, the place normally reserved for nouns, yet they still remain adjectives.


Nouns can qualify nouns in Russian. In "Иваново детство" Иваново is a noun that serves as a qualifier/modifier.

Иваново детство = детство Ивана.

And yes, it's a semantic category as well. That's why "ученый" is a noun when it means "scientist".

miffedmax
Mar 26th, 2009, 04:26 PM
Fascinating discussion. I'm assuming that at least some of you are native Russian speakers?

When I took German in college the professor was a native speaker and he was always taking the textbook to task muttering "Well, no actual German would say it that way, but ..."

And of course, his English was almost comically stilted and formal to our ears, though usally it was more technically and grammatically correct than ours.

I'm not taking sides or attacking anyone's credentials or anything. It's just interesting what does and doesn't get lost in translation sometimes with languages being so malleable and with all the dialects, slang, etc.

AnnaK_4ever
Mar 26th, 2009, 09:13 PM
This discussion is an exercise in futility. Native speakers know as much about grammar of their own language as they learned at school unless they studied the subject in depth, from reliable sources, and they studied diligently. Which means that in general they know very little and what they know is confused.

In Russian all names (family or given) are nouns. All. Regardless of their origin.
Just like words "ученый" ("scientist"), "мороженое", "рабочий" ("worker") etc are nouns even though they are derived from adjectives/adjectival participles.

drake3781
Mar 26th, 2009, 09:14 PM
This discussion is an exercise in futility.......


.... as is so much here on this board....... :sobbing:

Malva
Mar 26th, 2009, 09:25 PM
When I took German in college the professor was a native speaker and he was always taking the textbook to task muttering "Well, no actual German would say it that way, but ..."

And of course, his English was almost comically stilted and formal to our ears, though usally it was more technically and grammatically correct than ours.

I'm not taking sides or attacking anyone's credentials or anything. It's just interesting what does and doesn't get lost in translation sometimes with languages being so malleable and with all the dialects, slang, etc.

This discussion is an exercise in futility. Native speakers know as much about grammar and phonology of their own language, or about grammar and phonology in general, as they learned at school unless they studied the subject in depth, from reliable sources, and they studied diligently. Which means that in general they know very little and what they know is confused. Imagine what will happen if the traditional roles of a professor and a student are reversed, and in a class those who know are taught by those who don't. I am afraid we are heading in this direction: for 800 years since 12th Century when the institution of the university was born it was professors who were supposed to evaluate students; this was so until twenty five years ago; now it is students who evaluate professors and the system is already well entrenched in all American universities. And so we read in their evaluations: «this subject shouldn't be so difficult», «this professor wants to teach me more than I want to know; I really hate it», «this professor is cool, he comes to class every time in a different t-shirt with some funny message».

tea
Mar 26th, 2009, 09:36 PM
I'm sorry. Have I understand it right that American poster teaches the Russian one how to speak properly his native language?:spit:
Native speakers know as much about grammar and phonology of their own language, or about grammar and phonology in general, as they learned at school unless they studied the subject in depth, from reliable sources, and they studied diligently. Which means that in general they know very little and what they know is confused.
:D

Christinawww
Mar 26th, 2009, 09:53 PM
I would agree with Malva. I am sure some English/German/French guy would be able to teach Danish better than I would. I have never taken linguistic courses in my own language, I can't answer question on why certain declensions are like they are. For me it is natural. So it is often a good idea to learn grammar from someone who had to learn it as well, instead of learning it from someone who just know how it works because it is their native language.
E.g. in German, I am sure native German speakers don't go around thinking aus, bei, mit, nach, seit, von, zu take dative, and therefore I must say "Ich gehe nach dem man". They just say it. Don't think about dative, accusative and analyze every sentence like a foreign speaker will when learning the language.

Rix643
Mar 26th, 2009, 10:12 PM
I would agree with Malva. I am sure some English/German/French guy would be able to teach Danish better than I would. I have never taken linguistic courses in my own language, I can't answer question on why certain declensions are like they are. For me it is natural. So it is often a good idea to learn grammar from someone who had to learn it as well, instead of learning it from someone who just know how it works because it is their native language.
E.g. in German, I am sure native German speakers don't go around thinking aus, bei, mit, nach, seit, von, zu take dative, and therefore I must say "Ich gehe nach dem man". They just say it. Don't think about dative, accusative and analyze every sentence like a foreign speaker will when learning the language.

Thanks. Now I'm going to havre nightmares about my German classes in high school. :p

AnnaK_4ever
Mar 26th, 2009, 10:13 PM
I am sure some English/German/French guy would be able to teach Danish better than I would. I have never taken linguistic courses in my own language, I can't answer question on why certain declensions are like they are. For me it is natural. So it is often a good idea to learn grammar from someone who had to learn it as well, instead of learning it from someone who just know how it works because it is their native language.


Agreed.

Still, Malva is wrong trying to prove that family names in Russian are not nouns.

Christinawww
Mar 26th, 2009, 10:34 PM
^oh okay. That part of the discussion is a bit over my head since I don't understand Russian

Cp6uja
Mar 26th, 2009, 10:49 PM
OMG this thread is still not dead :tape::tape::tape:

But OK... if we talking seriously... members which like to use English letters to show some word in Cyrillic is interesting, not annoying (see my members name here ;))... but what is really annoying is English speaking people (Americans mostly) which thinks that when they switch "R" with Russian "Я" (or maybe "N" with Russian "И") they just "TЯAИSLATE" that word to Russian :help: :tape: :weirdo::smash::banghead::silly::cuckoo:.

THAT WAS FOЯ SUЯE THE MOST AИИOYIИG THIИG... BY FAЯ FOЯ ME!

égalité
Mar 27th, 2009, 12:05 AM
I'm sorry. Have I understand it right that American poster teaches the Russian one how to speak properly his native language?:spit:

:D

omg I know :hysteric:

I'm not a native speaker (though AnnaK_4ever is and he agrees with me :tape: ), but I know enough to be pretty confident that names are nouns regardless of the fact that they come from archaic Old Slavic adjectival endings. We're speaking modern Russian here. :tape:

As for words like morozhenoe in Russian which look and decline like adjectives, any dictionary will tell you that such words are "substantive," which is a fancy way of saying noun. It's not just about construction. It's about function in a sentence.

Svetlana.
Mar 27th, 2009, 12:09 AM
I'm not a native speaker.


for some reason I though you are Russian :lol:

égalité
Mar 27th, 2009, 12:10 AM
for some reason I though you are Russian :lol:

By nationality. But I'm American :D I'll take it as a compliment though :inlove:

Svetlana.
Mar 27th, 2009, 12:14 AM
I'll take it as a compliment though :inlove:

yes, you should :)

FoxyliciousKhat
Mar 27th, 2009, 01:40 AM
This to me is minor when compared to the number of irrelevant threads created daily on topic already being discussed, or topics to me that don't really need a new thread.

Things like "Has Maria gained weight?" "Who is going to upstage who on the comeback trail?" "Who going to wear red?" etc. I think most of the time posters just enjoy knowing they've created a thread and don't take the time to browse the board to see if this is already being discussed.

As for the use of Bepa I find it endearing even if it is her name in cyrillic (sp) Even if I type "Bepa" and I pronounce it in my head a Beeper who cares if I'm wrong, since no one is actually hearing me? The only time things like this should be annoying is when commentators don't take the time to learn the proper pronunciation and call the names wrong.

Foxy

Ziggy Starduck
Mar 27th, 2009, 02:03 AM
This to me is minor when compared to the number of irrelevant threads created daily on topic already being discussed, or topics to me that don't really need a new thread.

Things like "Has Maria gained weight?" "Who is going to upstage who on the comeback trail?" "Who going to wear red?" etc. I think most of the time posters just enjoy knowing they've created a thread and don't take the time to browse the board to see if this is already being discussed.

As for the use of Bepa I find it endearing even if it is her name in cyrillic (sp) Even if I type "Bepa" and I pronounce it in my head a Beeper who cares if I'm wrong, since no one is actually hearing me? The only time things like this should be annoying is when commentators don't take the time to learn the proper pronunciation and call the names wrong.

Foxy

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