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MRUK
Mar 23rd, 2009, 11:21 AM
Serena is stilllllll No 1 despite having played only 15 tournaments in the past year. To compare, Safina has played 19...i reckon Azarenka has the talent to actually challenge her. Someone needs to...got bit about it on blog this week if you fancy read...link is on my signature...

clijsters coming back should help but we need a roger-rafe-esque rivalry to really get people interested again.

volta
Mar 23rd, 2009, 11:26 AM
watch this turn into a drama fest thread :o

anyway, don't know if your talking in terms of rankings or match

rankings - hopefully not , i mean Azarenka #1 in the next couple of years? :help:

match - she needs to play almost her best tennis ever to be able to do it (AO 09), besides she needs goatrena to not show up on court or else ...

OZTENNIS
Mar 23rd, 2009, 11:37 AM
No LOL
Two of the four things to ever challenge Serena, Venus and injury, are still her main threats. One is new (old age) and one is no longer a threat (Henin)

Sam L
Mar 23rd, 2009, 11:47 AM
LOL! Is this a joke? Maybe after Serena turns 30, "Vika" will have a chance. :lol:

Londoner
Mar 23rd, 2009, 11:52 AM
Is the Pope a Buddhist Monk living in Tibet?

Dave.
Mar 23rd, 2009, 11:55 AM
Challenge Serena for what?

We already saw that, whilst ill, she can challenge Serena in a Grand Slam.

As far as challenging her for the no.1 ranking, obviously not right now.

sammy01
Mar 23rd, 2009, 11:58 AM
at what?

Renalicious
Mar 23rd, 2009, 12:02 PM
Your post implies that Azarenka will contend for the #1 spot...erm, not right now she won't. :shrug:

If you're talking about in a match, we all know Azarenka gave Serena a tough challenge in Melbourne before she had to retire. So she obviously can challenge Serena, but beating her is another thing that is harder to predict...

bandabou
Mar 23rd, 2009, 12:34 PM
She can give a Serena a match, at least for a set..but for no.1? Not yet, a year or two away.

Shvedbarilescu
Mar 23rd, 2009, 12:49 PM
at what?

Backgammon maybe? :shrug:

Seriously, in the last couple of rounds of a Slam I think Venus is the only player who can possibly beat Serena right now. But in non-Slam/Miami events, and also in the early rounds of Slams, Serena is often quite beatable. In these situations yes, Azarenka has a shot at beating Serena, as do numerous other players. The thing that ironically works against Azarenka is that as her ranking rises it ensures that the only time she will face Serena will be in the later rounds of a tournament. And of course beating Serena in the later rounds of a tournament, particularly a Slam, is much more difficult than in the early rounds.

sammy01
Mar 23rd, 2009, 12:52 PM
Backgammon maybe? :shrug:

Seriously, in the last couple of rounds of a Slam I think Venus is the only player who can possibly beat Serena right now. But in non-Slam/Miami events, and also in the early rounds of Slams, Serena is often quite beatable. In these situations yes, Azarenka has a shot at beating Serena, as do numerous other players. The thing that ironically works against Azarenka is that as her ranking rises it ensures that the only time she will face Serena will be in the later rounds of a tournament. And of course beating Serena in the later rounds of a tournament, particularly a Slam, is much more difficult than in the early rounds.

GOAToria would so own serenas ass at backgammon! :lick:

new-york
Mar 23rd, 2009, 01:03 PM
well, she showed that she was in a match.

now consistently i don't think, she just got into the top 10, it will take her some more time to consistently challenge the number player.

she has some weapons, let's see if she can use them well enough to beat the top regularly.

not yet.

Medina
Mar 23rd, 2009, 01:04 PM
She already has, whilst ill.

Olórin
Mar 23rd, 2009, 01:25 PM
She did for a set, although, Serena was playing some of career worst tennis until the match with Kuznetsova :help:

The only times I've seen her play worse was Zurich and YEC 2007 and Wimbledon 2005 - AO 06.

I expect she will be able to beat Serena at some point...not sure if they will become the Nadal-Federer of the women's tour though.

court70
Mar 23rd, 2009, 01:33 PM
Serena is stilllllll No 1 despite having played only 15 tournaments in the past year. To compare, Safina has played 19...i reckon Azarenka has the talent to actually challenge her. Someone needs to...got bit about it on blog this week if you fancy read...link is on my signature...

clijsters coming back should help but we need a roger-rafe-esque rivalry to really get people interested again.

She has a challenge already and that person is Venus. What the heck are you talking about.

volta
Mar 23rd, 2009, 01:38 PM
She did for a set, although, Serena was playing some of career worst tennis until the match with Kuznetsova :help:

The only times I've seen her play worse was Zurich and YEC 2007 and Wimbledon 2005 - AO 06.

I expect she will be able to beat Serena at some point...not sure if they will become the Nadal-Federer of the women's tour though.

that was painful to watch :o

fawnrc
Mar 23rd, 2009, 02:08 PM
She may challange Serena (but who can't challange another player at their level; professional top 10). BUT, the only way she beats Serena is if she is injured or having an off day.

Mikey.
Mar 23rd, 2009, 02:30 PM
GOAToria would so own serenas ass at backgammon! :lick:

GOAToria Amazarenka :hearts:

sammy01
Mar 23rd, 2009, 02:33 PM
GOAToria Amazarenka :hearts:

:worship: now i want her to just so we can use GOAToria Amazarenka :hearts:

pwayne
Mar 23rd, 2009, 02:34 PM
Even though Victoria had Serena by a set at Melbourne, I do not think Victoria is ready to defeat Serena. That may change in 2-3 years but not today.

spartanfan
Mar 23rd, 2009, 02:47 PM
I definitely think she is the one on the rise to watch. I also think Serena will have a concrete game plan the next time they play and Serena will not take her lightly.

BuTtErFrEnA
Mar 23rd, 2009, 03:13 PM
Challenge Serena for what?

We already saw that, whilst ill, she can challenge Serena in a Grand Slam.

As far as challenging her for the no.1 ranking, obviously not right now.

yea for a set while serena played horrible...if that's what you take comfort in as a challenge then ok :lol: errani can pose a challenge to serena if we go that route, or maybe everyone who ever won a set of serena in a match....

anyways in ranking no...in any other way?? no....a win or two, maybe...but a consistent challenge?? no...look at what it took jh to be a challenge to serena (bulking up), and vika in no way has that sort of game :shrug: sharapova looked like she was gonna be a challenge and that didn't turn out so hot for her...

you can look at all of serena's rivals in terms of h-2-h and what they bring on court: venus, j-cap, and jh all had the ability to play serena both aggressively AND defensively...it's always easy to say "such and such poses a challenge to serena because this set showed that she has bla bla blahhhh"....it's one thing to be good when you're on the attack, but what happens when the same is being done to you?

vika showed in that set, and yes it's true, that she needs to be attacking at her best and have serena off (if anyone thought serena was anywhere near on in that match well)...but all of serena's main rivals have the ability to soak up serena's shots and be on the defense for a while and still return some shots with interest...you can't have "decent" defense against serena, and that is what vika has...

(another is that they are all very tough mentally)

as i said...one or two wins here or there as it is tennis...but a consistent challenge like how those 3 were? no

bobbynorwich
Mar 23rd, 2009, 03:22 PM
Yes, plus Victoria is 8 years younger than Serena.

spartanfan
Mar 23rd, 2009, 03:27 PM
Yes, plus Victoria is 8 years younger than Serena.
True...but other players in the past have been able to challenge Serena (Davenport, Mauresmo, Seles, Clijsters), but look at the head to heads, and Serena essentially dominated those other top players. Victoria will be no different.

Temperenka
Mar 23rd, 2009, 03:29 PM
Nah. In all honesty, if Serena wants to win the only person that can stop her is Venus and mmaayyybeee Maria depending on Maria's game at the time. I think Vika is one of the girls with the best chance of beating Serena, but it still won't happen for a while.. unless the Serena that lost to Na Li last year shows up.

harloo
Mar 23rd, 2009, 03:35 PM
Let's see how Azarenka really does when the pressure is squarely on her to win. She couldn't defeat Vera in the semis of Indian Wells . It's easy to challenge a top player when you aren't expected to win but with more hype and possible endorsements on the line winning becomes more difficult.

And this isn't 2002 when Serena peaked so anybody in the top 10 can challenge her. The question is whether they can stay mentally tough to actually win the match. Serena's at her best when she gets down.

HRHoliviasmith
Mar 23rd, 2009, 03:41 PM
she did at the AO. but i think it will be a while before she will do it consistently.

Dave.
Mar 23rd, 2009, 03:51 PM
yea for a set while serena played horrible...if that's what you take comfort in as a challenge then ok :lol: errani can pose a challenge to serena if we go that route, or maybe everyone who ever won a set of serena in a match....


Serena played horribly, Vika had food poisoning, I'd say that's pretty even.

At the end of the day, Vika was a set up in that match. Nobody is saying she would have won but she was "challenging" Serena. This year we've seen Victoria reach a new high in her career and her level of play. In the one match she has played with Serena this year she was winning. I think that's evidence enough that she is good enough to at least challenge her.

shap_half
Mar 23rd, 2009, 03:51 PM
Challenge Serena for what?

We already saw that, whilst ill, she can challenge Serena in a Grand Slam.

As far as challenging her for the no.1 ranking, obviously not right now.

Right. I mean, everyone seems to assume that the best Serena can churn out will always show up in every match. Obviously this is not the case. And we also have not seen what Azarenka is truly capable of. But as is, she was able to really put a lot of pressure on Serena in AO. Azarenka believes in her talent, and that's all you need.

harloo
Mar 23rd, 2009, 04:18 PM
Serena played horribly, Vika had food poisoning, I'd say that's pretty even.

At the end of the day, Vika was a set up in that match. Nobody is saying she would have won but she was "challenging" Serena. This year we've seen Victoria reach a new high in her career and her level of play. In the one match she has played with Serena this year she was winning. I think that's evidence enough that she is good enough to at least challenge her.

If you take comfort in thinking she was winning because she played better than Serena in the first set then fine. But in the grand scheme of things it really means nothing. In the second set Serena was up 4-2 and would have most likely won in three. In my opinion, too much is being made of that match at the AO. I think Azarenka is talented and will challenge for the top eventually but people are acting like being in a position to defeat Serena is the end all be all. Like I stated before, once Azarenka is officially crowned the "it" girl by the media and is expected to win that's when everyone will see what she's made of.

Dawn Marie
Mar 23rd, 2009, 04:26 PM
Anyone can be beaten on any given day. Yet as for challenging Serena. HELL NO! Serena has 10 slams and a legacy behind her. Vika still can't beat Vera on Vera's bad day.
Get real here, Vika has a lot of skill but her game needs a lot of work to go up to that elite level. Her serve still needs better placement. She couldwork on her return game and she needs to move forward. She still has problems with changing her "A" game if it doesn't work. I do think she should be one of the ones to watch. She changes the ball direction good, and she has good solid net skills.

BlameSerena
Mar 23rd, 2009, 04:34 PM
Challenging her as far as what? Legacy? Winning a match? Current ruler of women's tennis?

I'd say there are others who would pose more of a challenge, as Serena was not playing well at all for that match at the AO, and Vika is still not proven at the top level.

Has she won a tier 1, yet? I'm not aware of her results, titles other than her run at IW.

Anyway, I think she's a good player and certainly good for the future. How old is she?

My main frustration with her comes from her fans who are eager to harp on the AO match as surefire proof that she's better than Rena, but I like her attitude.

vwfan
Mar 23rd, 2009, 05:00 PM
Is the Pope a Buddhist Monk living in Tibet?
:lol:

Dave.
Mar 23rd, 2009, 05:08 PM
If you take comfort in thinking she was winning because she played better than Serena in the first set then fine. But in the grand scheme of things it really means nothing. In the second set Serena was up 4-2 and would have most likely won in three. In my opinion, too much is being made of that match at the AO. I think Azarenka is talented and will challenge for the top eventually but people are acting like being in a position to defeat Serena is the end all be all. Like I stated before, once Azarenka is officially crowned the "it" girl by the media and is expected to win that's when everyone will see what she's made of.


The media? Why do they matter? I doubt too many players care whether or not they are expected to win by the media, they just like to focus on themselves.

I'm the last person to say Vika would have won that match, but win or lose, that match showed that in a Grand Slam against Serena Williams, Victoria was up to the challenge.

I agree that too much is being made of that match.

Challenging her as far as what? Legacy? Winning a match? Current ruler of women's tennis?

I'd say there are others who would pose more of a challenge, as Serena was not playing well at all for that match at the AO, and Vika is still not proven at the top level.

Has she won a tier 1, yet? I'm not aware of her results, titles other than her run at IW.

Anyway, I think she's a good player and certainly good for the future. How old is she?

My main frustration with her comes from her fans who are eager to harp on the AO match as surefire proof that she's better than Rena, but I like her attitude.

Actually, no. Most of us Vika fans couldn't care less about that AO match anymore, and as far as I know none of us are saying Vika is better than Serena nor that she would have won the AO match if she didn't retire. It's the Serena fans who have actually been on about their match alot more than Vika's fans.

Christinawww
Mar 23rd, 2009, 05:19 PM
Challenging her as far as what? Legacy? Winning a match? Current ruler of women's tennis?

I'd say there are others who would pose more of a challenge, as Serena was not playing well at all for that match at the AO, and Vika is still not proven at the top level.

Has she won a tier 1, yet? I'm not aware of her results, titles other than her run at IW.

Anyway, I think she's a good player and certainly good for the future. How old is she?

My main frustration with her comes from her fans who are eager to harp on the AO match as surefire proof that she's better than Rena, but I like her attitude.

The real Vika fans, those who post regularly in the Vika subforum, they are not the ones making a big deal out of the Aus Open match. It is more the Serena haters who are so desperate to see Serena be de-crowned.
Vika has only one 2 international tournaments, and has been in a total of 6 singles finals, all tier III and IV. So she definitely needs to prove herself a lot more on big stages. She has reached the SF quite a few times of tier I's but that is it. Personally I am still looking for a big break-through. I think she has it in her (why I am a fan), but there's still work to do for her.
She's 19 btw.

HRHoliviasmith
Mar 23rd, 2009, 05:25 PM
The real Vika fans, those who post regularly in the Vika subforum, they are not the ones making a big deal out of the Aus Open match. It is more the Serena haters who are so desperate to see Serena be de-crowned. Vika has only one 2 international tournaments, and has been in a total of 6 singles finals, all tier III and IV. So she definitely needs to prove herself a lot more on big stages. She has reached the SF quite a few times of tier I's but that is it. Personally I am still looking for a big break-through. I think she has it in her (why I am a fan), but there's still work to do for her.
She's 19 btw.

:worship:

BlameSerena
Mar 23rd, 2009, 05:35 PM
The real Vika fans, those who post regularly in the Vika subforum, they are not the ones making a big deal out of the Aus Open match. It is more the Serena haters who are so desperate to see Serena be de-crowned.
Vika has only one 2 international tournaments, and has been in a total of 6 singles finals, all tier III and IV. So she definitely needs to prove herself a lot more on big stages. She has reached the SF quite a few times of tier I's but that is it. Personally I am still looking for a big break-through. I think she has it in her (why I am a fan), but there's still work to do for her.
She's 19 btw.

Thanks for the response and answering my questions. I have not really distinguished the Vika supporters from the Serena haters so if I go back into those threads then maybe I will take note.

Most of us Vika fans couldn't care less about that AO match anymore, and as far as I know none of us are saying Vika is better than Serena nor that she would have won the AO match if she didn't retire.
Dave, maybe you haven't been saying it, but trust me, it has been said....repeatedly. And in every Vika thread there is mention of the AO match, and from what I can remember it it's not because Serena fans are eager to bring it up.

harloo
Mar 23rd, 2009, 05:44 PM
The media? Why do they matter? I doubt too many players care whether or not they are expected to win by the media, they just like to focus on themselves.

I'm the last person to say Vika would have won that match, but win or lose, that match showed that in a Grand Slam against Serena Williams, Victoria was up to the challenge.

I agree that too much is being made of that match.


Once the weight of expectations are solely on her shoulders to win as the "it" girl then her road will become tougher. The more her results improve she will become the discussion and that's pressure. Maria dealt with it and so has Ana. My point is when you're playing without much pressure things are easier.
On the other point, Serena has been challenged at the AO numerous times losing the first set. I really don't think Azarenka challenging her deserves any more merit than all those other three-setters. Serena isn't invincible and can be challenged like any other top player. In 2002, I would have thought differently but now the tour has caught up in terms of power and athleticism.

Direwolf
Mar 23rd, 2009, 05:45 PM
Yes she is good enought to challenge





to Challenge the Hawk Eye

HAHAHAHAHA!!!

serenus_2k8
Mar 23rd, 2009, 05:46 PM
No. :haha:

BuTtErFrEnA
Mar 23rd, 2009, 06:37 PM
Serena played horribly, Vika had food poisoning, I'd say that's pretty even.

At the end of the day, Vika was a set up in that match. Nobody is saying she would have won but she was "challenging" Serena. This year we've seen Victoria reach a new high in her career and her level of play. In the one match she has played with Serena this year she was winning. I think that's evidence enough that she is good enough to at least challenge her.

vika's food poisoning became a factor only during the 2nd set so plz...:rolls:

a whole lot of people have gotten up against serena...and guess what??? only 3 of them can be considered a challenge...and a challenge does not mean you win a set...

Dave.
Mar 23rd, 2009, 06:48 PM
vika's food poisoning became a factor only during the 2nd set so plz...:rolls:

a whole lot of people have gotten up against serena...and guess what??? only 3 of them can be considered a challenge...and a challenge does not mean you win a set...

and Serena's bad play was only a factor in the 1st set :shrug:

:rolls: There are more than 3 people who have "challenged" Serena over the years.

Alot of people have been up against Serena, but they lost. That's the difference. And yes, being up a set against a champion in a slam is a pretty obvious sign that you can challenge them.

Christinawww
Mar 23rd, 2009, 07:48 PM
Once the weight of expectations are solely on her shoulders to win as the "it" girl then her road will become tougher. The more her results improve she will become the discussion and that's pressure. Maria dealt with it and so has Ana. My point is when you're playing without much pressure things are easier.


so true, Hantuchova failed to deliver under pressure.
I remember seeing the 2002 US Open R16: Hantuchova vs Henin, and Daniela won. The commentators were in awe of the two youngsters and said that especially the winner was a name of the future. And in ace magazine that year that named Daniela to be the challenge to Serena. Well, well, well, see how wrong it all can go.

I'm not sure where Vika is mentally to deal with the pressure. I think she is better than Daniela, but is she as mental strong as Maria and Serena. So far no. She is working on it I am sure. I've read some diary entries and other articles suggesting she wants to mentally improve and be tough, and the four loses in her first four finals (among others to Parmentier and Arn!) inspire her I believe. But they also prove she has a bit to learn.

MRUK
Apr 5th, 2009, 11:20 AM
U all thought it was ridiculous that she might challenge two weeks ago...looks like she really DOES have it in her, no?

Russianboy
Apr 5th, 2009, 11:34 AM
LOL! Is this a joke? Maybe after Serena turns 30, "Vika" will have a chance. :lol:

:spit:

Matt01
Apr 5th, 2009, 11:37 AM
Question answered: Yes, she is.

Corswandt
Apr 5th, 2009, 11:41 AM
Is Azarenka good enough to challenge Serena?

For #1, Slams, etc? Of course not.

But she is a bad matchup for her.

bobbynorwich
Apr 5th, 2009, 01:01 PM
Yeah, she's the real deal.