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CaptnMatt
Mar 22nd, 2009, 02:13 PM
I read previously that someone created a thread ''best era in womens tennis''....and the result so far has been an overwhelming win for the era 1997-2003...
So - just out of curiosity....what rivalry do you think is the greatest in the history of women's tennis....there have been some awesome ones....but I just wanted to get the general consensus as to which rivalry you'd get back if you had the chance???

crazillo
Mar 22nd, 2009, 02:29 PM
Graf-Seles 1990-1993
Hingis-Davenport 1998/9-2002

tennismaster8820
Mar 22nd, 2009, 02:32 PM
Venus vs Hingis the best ever for me! :worship:

Cp6uja
Mar 22nd, 2009, 02:34 PM
Sharapova - Ivanovic 2005-2020 :devil:

partbrit
Mar 22nd, 2009, 02:35 PM
Evert-Navratilova. Best in tennis--best in all of sports.

A Magicman
Mar 22nd, 2009, 02:37 PM
Evert-Navratilova

Period.

Black Mamba.
Mar 22nd, 2009, 02:37 PM
Hingis vs The Williams Sisters.

That Rivalry had everything.

1. Great Matches
2. Battles in the Press
3. Genuine dislike for one another

Conor
Mar 22nd, 2009, 02:39 PM
Patty v Daniela :boxing:

orrrrrrrrrrrrrr

Patty v Monica :armed:

miffedmax
Mar 22nd, 2009, 02:40 PM
Evert-Navratilova. Best in tennis--best in all of sports.

Yep. The others don't even begin to compare. And yeah, I actually lived through all of the above.

There were some pretty good ones in the '20s and '30s that I missed though.;)

Ciarán
Mar 22nd, 2009, 02:41 PM
Monica and Steffi

AdeyC
Mar 22nd, 2009, 02:50 PM
Navratilova and Evert, nothing else comes close.

DA FOREHAND
Mar 22nd, 2009, 02:52 PM
Graf-Seles 1990-1993
Hingis-Davenport 1998/9-2002


Graf -v- Seles started in 1989-1999...

crazillo
Mar 22nd, 2009, 02:57 PM
Graf -v- Seles started in 1989-1999...

I know that, but I found their matches until the stabbing were their very best ones.

Navratil
Mar 22nd, 2009, 03:18 PM
No doubt: Navratilova vs Evert.

tea
Mar 22nd, 2009, 03:43 PM
If you are asking about the greatest 'in the history', you must ask people who saw all the history.:p
As for me, Hingis vs Williams and Clijsters vs Henin - are the greatest rivalries, though my fauvorite players are losers there.

markhingis
Mar 22nd, 2009, 03:43 PM
Little Hingis vs Big Girls - Williamses and Davenport.

Kart
Mar 22nd, 2009, 03:49 PM
Is there really any doubt that it's Evert - Navratilova.

I mean they played about nine million times.

AnnaK_4ever
Mar 22nd, 2009, 03:51 PM
Navratilova v Evert by miles.

moby
Mar 22nd, 2009, 03:56 PM
I think there needs to be at least 80 matches played for a rivalry to be legitimate. The H2H should be fairly even.

By default, that would be Navratilova-Evert.

43-37

HRHoliviasmith
Mar 22nd, 2009, 04:23 PM
Evert-Navratilova. Best in tennis--best in all of sports.

:yeah:

bobbynorwich
Mar 22nd, 2009, 04:27 PM
Chrissy and Martina, clearly

Wiggly
Mar 22nd, 2009, 04:33 PM
Brie vs Diamond. No competition.

Volcana
Mar 22nd, 2009, 04:37 PM
Evert-Navratilova. Best in tennis--best in all of sports.I'm a bit amazed that the question isn't, 'What was the SECOND greatest rivalry?' How many players go at each other EIGHTY times, and the H2H is 43-37? How many other rivals are also among the top five players EVER in their sport? ANY sport, any gender?

My top all-time rivalries came one on top of another, each retiring great replaced by a new one.
Court vs King
Kinf vs Evert
Evert vs Navratilova
Navratilova vs Graf
Graf vs Seles

then theres's a gap followed by a bunch of overlapping rivalries

Venus vs Hingis
Serena vs Hingis
Serena vs Capriati

OTOH, Justine Henin and Serena Williams managed NOT to have a rivalry. Their fans had a rivalry, but emotionally, I never sensed it from them. One was almost always up when the other was down.

Apoleb
Mar 22nd, 2009, 04:44 PM
Serena and Jusitne most definitely had a rivalry, by any standard. It had the potential to be even better, but it's arguably the best rivalry from 2003-07. The RG 03 semi and the Miami final are the best testaments of that.

Dodoboy.
Mar 22nd, 2009, 04:47 PM
Evert - Navratilova :bowdown:

Hingis v Williams

I really wish Justine and Serena met in more finals :sad: The h2h would be a lot different :devil:

Dave.
Mar 22nd, 2009, 05:02 PM
Davenport - Hingis (no.1 and no.2 for aaaaaaages)
Davenport - V Williams
Hingis - V Williams
S Williams - Capriati


are IMO the four best of the last decade and four of the greatest in history. But as many have said, Evert-Navratilova is really the only option for no.1.

mauresmofan
Mar 22nd, 2009, 05:05 PM
Navratilova and Evert, nothing else comes close.

Absolutely couldn't agree more but a special mention has to go to Graf Seles which could have been up there with Nav/Evert had Seles not been stabbed. Such a shame.

kiwifan
Mar 22nd, 2009, 05:42 PM
Evert-Navratilova. Best in tennis--best in all of sports.

no offense to the kids but if you don't know Evert - Navrat you don't really know women's tennis...

...and if you do know about Evert - Navrat and still pick another rivalry, Male or Female in the history of all sport, you're just wrong :lol: :tape: :lol: :tape: :lol:

...end of story. :angel:

fufuqifuqishahah
Mar 22nd, 2009, 05:50 PM
well.............................................. .................. from that era maybe
Davenport - Venus
Venus - Hingis

recently....
Serena - Jelena

dont know much before that

Marshmallow
Mar 22nd, 2009, 05:54 PM
^.^ *raises hand*

Evert - Navy has been declared the greatet rivalry in sport so... But, considering it was before my time and I haven't bothered to search the story out, can someone explain what made the rivalry so special? Longevity, quality, off court drama, all the above? From what I've heard they got on pretty well off court so did it have the catiness of Hingis-Williams?

Teach Meh :p

Marshmallow
Mar 22nd, 2009, 05:56 PM
Hingis v Williams

My Fav. *\o/*

Volcana
Mar 22nd, 2009, 06:39 PM
^.^ *raises hand*

Evert - Navy has been declared the greatet rivalry in sport so... But, considering it was before my time and I haven't bothered to search the story out, can someone explain what made the rivalry so special? Longevity, quality, off court drama, all the above? From what I've heard they got on pretty well off court so did it have the catiness of Hingis-Williams?

Teach Meh :pIt was the ultimate battle of opposites. Serve-and-volley vs baseline, best-on-grass vs best-on clay, 2nd best-on-grass vs 2nd best-on clay, it was a Cold War rivalry - Eastern bloc vs Western bloc, gay vs straight, 'The Ice Princess' vs Ms. Emotions-on-her-sleeve, 80 matches, 43-37, 14 slam finals, another six slam semis.

They played each other for sixteen years. From Lion Cup '81 to VS Houston '87, they played in 28 straight finals. If they both played a tournament, they met in the finals. For almost seven YEARS.

They went from not even liking each other to moving next door to each other. (Nav intro'd Evert to her second husband.)

And those are just the highlights.

The detail is even better. By the early 1980's, the Navratilova machine was in high gear. She won Wimbledon in 1978 and 1979. But Evert beat her, at Wimbledon in 1980. Evert OWNED Roland Garros, winning in '74, '75, '79, '80, '83, '85 and '86. Who beat her in the 1984 final? And the 1987 semis? You guessed it.

Navratilova beat Evert thirteen straight times, in the middle of their careers. Evert could have quit. Or been content to remain second. Instead, she re-built her body, and her game, and after that 13 match streak, the H2H was 12-7 Nav, 5-3 at the slams. Evert even regained the #1 ranking a couple times. Evert didn't just re-build her body and her game. She did it while remaining, at worst, the #3 player in the game.

Whole books have been written about this rivalry.

Marshmallow
Mar 22nd, 2009, 06:43 PM
It was the ultimate battle of opposites. Serve-and-volley vs baseline, best-on-grass vs best-on clay, 2nd best-on-grass vs 2nd best-on clay, it was a Cold War rivalry - Eastern bloc vs Western bloc, gay vs straight, 'The Ice Princess' vs Ms. Emotions-on-her-sleeve, 80 matches, 43-37, 14 slam finals, another six slam semis.

They played each other for sixteen years. From Lion Cup '81 to VS Houston '87, they played in 28 straight finals. If they both played a tournament, they met in the finals. For almost seven YEARS.

They went from not even liking each other to moving next door to each other. (Nav intro'd Evert to her second husband.)

And those are just the highlights.

:speakles: *In awe*

Thanx for taking the time to explain :)

Andy T
Mar 22nd, 2009, 07:08 PM
They played each other for sixteen years. From Lion Cup '81 to VS Houston '87, they played in 28 straight finals. If they both played a tournament, they met in the finals. For almost seven YEARS.


Excellent post from Volcana, as always, but there's one misleading point. On quite a few occasions between 81 & 87, (RG 82-83, Wimb 83-86, US 82-85, to name the most obvious ones) Chris and Martina did play the same tournament but one got beaten before the final. Maybe it's just easier to say that they were number 1&2 in the world for almost all of that time, which is just as impressive, of course, if not more so.

miffedmax
Mar 22nd, 2009, 08:18 PM
Marshmellow and anybody else who wants to learn more--Johnette Howard's book "The Rivals" is a must read, not just for the story about Chris and Martina, but as a history of women's tennis and the game in general.

It's a great read.

miffedmax
Mar 22nd, 2009, 11:16 PM
Also, that rivalry over the years, has acquired a patina of niceness and sportsmanship that believe me, was not at ALL apparent at the time.

I was in the Martina camp, and oh, the things we said about Chris. And the Chris fans gave as good as they got.

starin
Mar 22nd, 2009, 11:32 PM
Patty Schnyder v. Conchita Martinez :drool:

tennnisfannn
Mar 22nd, 2009, 11:42 PM
I am loving the venus/serena rivalry, it must be the toughest one for both players.

-jenks-
Mar 22nd, 2009, 11:44 PM
Graf vs. Seles
Hingis vs. Venus
Kim vs. Justine

Golovinjured.
Mar 23rd, 2009, 12:06 AM
Hingis vs Williams Sisters

17-17

Hingis leads Venus 11-10
Serena leads Hingis 7-6

:inlove:

That '01 AO QF remains one of my favourite matches ever. :drool:

VeeReeDavJCap81
Mar 23rd, 2009, 12:31 AM
V.Williams vs Hingis
http://i666.photobucket.com/albums/vv21/Greenshow81/nowuknow.gif?t=1237768213

PatrickRyan
Mar 23rd, 2009, 12:55 AM
Seles vs. Graf

Marshmallow
Mar 23rd, 2009, 01:42 AM
Marshmellow and anybody else who wants to learn more--Johnette Howard's book "The Rivals" is a must read, not just for the story about Chris and Martina, but as a history of women's tennis and the game in general.

It's a great read.

Thank you :)

I wouldn't normally buy a tennis related book... I love tennis, but not literary... [:lol: An epic fail right :tape:].

But I'll keep an eye out, does sound interesting.

Marshmallow
Mar 23rd, 2009, 01:44 AM
Seles vs. Graf

I can get over April 30th 1993... it ruined Monica, the rivalry and tennis history. Monica :sad:

faboozadoo15
Mar 23rd, 2009, 01:56 AM
V.Williams vs Hingis
http://i666.photobucket.com/albums/vv21/Greenshow81/nowuknow.gif?t=1237768213

:haha: Where are you getting these?

guyinsf
Mar 23rd, 2009, 04:37 AM
EVERT-NAVRATILOVA
THE SINGLE GREATEST RIVALRY IN INDIVIDUAL SPORTS...EVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The topic should have been what is the 2ND greatest rivalry in women's tennis but the greatest is a given and the greatest also happens to be the greatest for ALL sports. I mean 80 times they played each other, that's insane!

OsloErik
Mar 23rd, 2009, 05:41 AM
Evert-Navratilova. And I'll tell you why.

Up until then, every major rivalry (Court-BJK, the handful of random amateur rivalries that got prematurely interrupted by somebody turning pro) was a serve and volleyer vs. a serve and volleyer. Evert was the first major top player with any ability to play and win from the baseline ON GRASS consistently. Back in the day, 3/4 of slams were on grass, and around half the tournaments were on grass too. She didn't have enough high profile match-ups against Margaret Court, who was over the hill at that point, or BJK, who was even more over the hill, to make that a sterling rivalry.

But with Navratilova, you have Evert, the first true power baseliner (back in the day, Evert was a power player, even if consistency was her biggest trait), up against Navratilova, the first (or second, depending on what you think of Margaret Court) of the great athlete tennis players at the net, and arguably the single most dedicated tennis player of all time. Additionally, they played close to 100 matches over 15 years or so, almost always semifinals and finals. It's the biggest contrast in playing styles in history combined with a huge contrast in personality.

Evert was this sort of teen idol at the time. Even in Europe, Evert was the hot player. She was the pinup athlete of the Open Era. And she coupled it with a sweet public persona, icy on court persona, and very high-flying personal life. Navratilova, by comparison, was a fairly stereotypical Soviet-style woman, not particularly feminine, absolutely muscular, had a kind of off-putting immigrant-awkward public persona, was emotionally charged on court, and led a fairly quiet (albeit scandalously lesbian) personal life dominated by tennis.

Literally nothing comes close, and that's probably true of every sport in the world. It could well be the single most impressive rivalry in sports history.

Hardiansf
Mar 23rd, 2009, 05:47 AM
Evert-Navratilova. Best in tennis--best in all of sports.
Indeed. The greatest rivalry of all time :worship::worship::worship:
Follow by Seles (prestabbed) vs Graf, Court vs BJK, Hingis vs Venus, Serena vs Capriati, and Davenport vs Hingis

spencercarlos
Mar 23rd, 2009, 05:58 AM
I'm a bit amazed that the question isn't, 'What was the SECOND greatest rivalry?' How many players go at each other EIGHTY times, and the H2H is 43-37? How many other rivals are also among the top five players EVER in their sport? ANY sport, any gender?

My top all-time rivalries came one on top of another, each retiring great replaced by a new one.
Court vs King
Kinf vs Evert
Evert vs Navratilova
Navratilova vs Graf
Graf vs Seles

then theres's a gap followed by a bunch of overlapping rivalries

Venus vs Hingis
Serena vs Hingis
Serena vs Capriati

OTOH, Justine Henin and Serena Williams managed NOT to have a rivalry. Their fans had a rivalry, but emotionally, I never sensed it from them. One was almost always up when the other was down.
Sabatini and Graf played 40 times and more than half of their matches went three sets, although final numbers were 29-11 most of the matches were competitive. A very underrated head to head.

Of course nothing will never ever touch Navratilova-Evert rivary IMO.

darrinbaker00
Mar 23rd, 2009, 06:03 AM
Evert-Navratilova. Best in tennis--best in all of sports.
There were these two fighters named Ali and Frazier.....

spencercarlos
Mar 23rd, 2009, 06:13 AM
There were these two fighters named Ali and Frazier.....
Don´t call me racist but i don´t think Frazier and Ali fought against each other 80 times, or dominated their sport between the two for a span of at least 10-12 (probably more i am not sure the exact) years like Navratilova and Evert did.

Shvedbarilescu
Mar 23rd, 2009, 06:19 AM
Navratilova v Evert. Nothing comes close.

darrinbaker00
Mar 23rd, 2009, 06:59 AM
Don´t call me racist but i don´t think Frazier and Ali fought against each other 80 times, or dominated their sport between the two for a span of at least 10-12 (probably more i am not sure the exact) years like Navratilova and Evert did.
No, but those three fights were.....

:eek: :woohoo: :bowdown:

I realize that I am of the minority opinion on this matter, but on my list of Greatest Individual Sports Rivalries of All Time, Chrissie and Martina have to settle for the silver. Greatest rivalry in tennis (women's or men's) by a landslide, but not in all of sports.

Ellen Dawson
Mar 23rd, 2009, 07:01 AM
Navratilova v Evert. Nothing comes close.

Of what I can remember since following tennis, you're right, Chris and Martina were so into the rivalry, too.

LoveFifteen
Mar 23rd, 2009, 07:20 AM
One thing about Evert v. Navratilova is that they would go years and years without playing on clay. At one point, I think it was 6 years without a match on clay! And a much larger percentage of the tour was played on grass back then. I think the rivalry could've been different if there had been more clay events.

I love watching their matches, especially on clay. Chris's passing shots were, quite simply, the best in history. And she was actually playing against bitches that could volley! :lol:

Also, I would like to add that Davenport v. Hingis isn't that great of a "rivalry" because they liked each other well enough .... now Venus and Hingis, on the other hand. :angel:

Andy T
Mar 23rd, 2009, 11:14 AM
One thing about Evert v. Navratilova is that they would go years and years without playing on clay. At one point, I think it was 6 years without a match on clay! And a much larger percentage of the tour was played on grass back then. I think the rivalry could've been different if there had been more clay events.

I love watching their matches, especially on clay. Chris's passing shots were, quite simply, the best in history. And she was actually playing against bitches that could volley! :lol:

Also, I would like to add that Davenport v. Hingis isn't that great of a "rivalry" because they liked each other well enough .... now Venus and Hingis, on the other hand. :angel:

I think that they played 15 times on grass and 14 times on clay. They didn't meet on clay for 5.5 years between the US Open of 75 and Amelia island in April 81 and they only met once on grass in the 5.5 years between Martina's debut on the circuit at the beginning of 73 and their first Eastbourne final in June 78.

miffedmax
Mar 23rd, 2009, 11:39 AM
No, but those three fights were.....

:eek: :woohoo: :bowdown:

I realize that I am of the minority opinion on this matter, but on my list of Greatest Individual Sports Rivalries of All Time, Chrissie and Martina have to settle for the silver. Greatest rivalry in tennis (women's or men's) by a landslide, but not in all of sports.

I still say Chris/Martina takes it, but that's the most likely competition on the individual side.

Of course, if you start throwing around 'all of sports" you start to get into things like the Old Firm, Scotland vs. England, and all that as well, so individual rivalry is a key qualifier.

markhingis
Mar 23rd, 2009, 02:31 PM
Hingis vs Williams Sisters

17-17

Hingis leads Venus 11-10
Serena leads Hingis 7-6

:inlove:

That '01 AO QF remains one of my favourite matches ever. :drool:

I love the match, have watched it so many times and I know it like by heart ;)
Awesome points!

HRHoliviasmith
Mar 23rd, 2009, 02:37 PM
Seles vs. Graf

i will always wonder about what could have been...wow.

!BlondBangs!
Mar 23rd, 2009, 02:41 PM
Steffi and Monica

2Black
Mar 23rd, 2009, 03:38 PM
I don't like friendship rivalries so I wouldn't vote for Navratilova despite them meeting 80 times.

Therefore my vote goes to Hingis v Williams' Sisters (especially Venus). There was legit hate. It was similar to Celtics/Lakers of the 80s. They hated each other.

serenafan08
Mar 23rd, 2009, 03:43 PM
Well Evert/Navratilova takes the cake, obviously. A couple that had a chance to be great but fizzled were Graf/Seles and S. Williams/Capriati. Right now I think V. Williams/Jankovic has the best chance to really be a good rivalry; they always have long matches and entertaining rallies.

DA FOREHAND
Mar 23rd, 2009, 04:00 PM
I know that, but I found their matches until the stabbing were their very best ones.

best matches..perhaps, but this isn't about matches, it's about rivalries.

2Black
Mar 23rd, 2009, 04:17 PM
The # of times you play doesn't make you the greatest rivalry in tennis and definitely not across all sports.

OsloErik
Mar 23rd, 2009, 04:21 PM
2Black: if that is seriously all you have to say about Evert-Navratilova, you are too young to comment on it. Next.

Human Nature
Mar 23rd, 2009, 04:23 PM
Serena /venus is step by step becoming the great rivalry Richard predicted ...

I have the feeling that now each time they play each other , they are more and more nervous and eager to win the match .

And i also see a bit of nervosity and bitterness between the Williams fans when one of their favorite beween the sisters looses , but they dont realy express that because of the close relationship of the sisters and therefore the close "obvious" relations between the WS fans ..even if this expression of feelings is becoming more and more free and less "tabou" ...

Olórin
Mar 23rd, 2009, 04:29 PM
Im surprised by the number of people mentioning Seles-Graf.
Imo in hindsight, it doesn't really stand above, Graf-Sabatini, Graf-ASV, certainly not by that much.

Also I don't think anyone has mentioned Goolagong vs. Evert, which was almost a prefiguration of the rivalry with Navratilova. They had several classics which are arguably better than anything Navratilova and Evert produced.

Also, BJK vs. Goolagong, had a few good ones, anyone know their H2H?

Also, yeah I think Serena vs. Venus is very interesting and in retrospect, I feel it will be regarded as highly, if not more so, than the sisters' rivalries with Hingis and Davenport.

Olórin
Mar 23rd, 2009, 04:45 PM
The best rivalries of the Open Era:
Court vs. King*
King vs. Goolagong
Evert vs. Goolagong*
Evert vs. Navratilova*
Austin vs. Evert
Graf vs. Navratilova
Graf vs. Sabatini*
Graf vs. Seles*
Graf vs. ASV
Davenport vs. Hingis
Hingis vs. Venus*
Davenport vs. Venus
Serena vs. Hingis
Serena vs. Capriati*
Serena vs. Venus*
Serena vs. Henin
Henin vs. Clijsters
Henin vs. Mauresmo

I've starred the ones that, imo, have that something extra special which makes them Great Rivalries.

2Black
Mar 24th, 2009, 09:26 PM
2Black: if that is seriously all you have to say about Evert-Navratilova, you are too young to comment on it. Next.

I spoke truth - let me say it again - the # of times you play doesn't make you a great rivalry.

It's a simple truth-full statement