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itzhak
Mar 21st, 2009, 03:59 PM
If the WTA tour "sucks", "boring", "horrible", "disgusting" etc.
Why you are here? just leave us, go there and have a nice time...:o

Vanity Bonfire
Mar 21st, 2009, 04:00 PM
Yep. Why don't you all go sod off there? You'd have a great time!

Paneru
Mar 21st, 2009, 04:01 PM
Best thread this week!

Dave.
Mar 21st, 2009, 04:02 PM
I totally agree.

If you don't like it, don't post here. Nobody is obligated to be here. Nobody is obligated to watch women's tennis either.

Dave.
Mar 21st, 2009, 04:02 PM
I totally agree.

If you don't like it, don't post here. Nobody is obligated to be here.

alwayshingis
Mar 21st, 2009, 04:04 PM
:yeah:

Uranium
Mar 21st, 2009, 04:04 PM
I totally agree.

If you don't like it, don't post here. Nobody is obligated to be here. Nobody is obligated to watch women's tennis either.

And no one is forcing you to watch women's tennis, if it's so bad stop watching it.:lol:

goldenlox
Mar 21st, 2009, 04:05 PM
I can't figure out what the complaints are about.
The best players have been in the same draw over and over, going back to when Justine came back after her divorce.

You want them to rig the draws so whoever is hot that week are in opposite halves?

How could anyone know Dementieva would lose in early in IW?
She was 21-3 this year.

That's life.

alwayshingis
Mar 21st, 2009, 04:11 PM
I can't figure out what the complaints are about.


I don't really get it either. There has been a huge increase in the amount of complaining about the tour over the last two weeks. You would think that Indian Wells is the worst tournament of all time and everyone is about to die. It's been fine.

Is it just that Venus and Serena aren't playing IW so everyone has to complain about the quality of the tour now?

AndreConrad
Mar 21st, 2009, 04:16 PM
All true and sound statements. It think WTA tennis is very exciting :yeah:. It is far from Serve, 15:0, serve 30:0, serve, serve, DF 30:15, etc....

The Witch-king
Mar 21st, 2009, 04:22 PM
It's sad when you go to every forum and the are bashing WTA and then you come here and they are bashing WTa.

jjcrew#1
Mar 21st, 2009, 04:30 PM
I Know i am tired of hearing all the complaining! thank you for the thread! there are going to be tournaments where alot of seeds lose it happens!

pwayne
Mar 21st, 2009, 04:43 PM
Thank you...

Dementinator
Mar 21st, 2009, 04:45 PM
Hear Hear.

nevetssllim
Mar 21st, 2009, 04:47 PM
Yup, I agree. With all the moaning that's been going on, it was getting to the point where I thought I was the only person who still enjoys the WTA! I haven't seen too much of Indian Wells but there were some great matches in Dubai, not to mention the Dementieva/Mauresmo final in Paris.

sweetpeas
Mar 21st, 2009, 04:56 PM
And no one is forcing you to watch women's tennis, if it's so bad stop watching it.


HEAR Hear!

Optima
Mar 21st, 2009, 05:08 PM
:yeah:

Dexter
Mar 21st, 2009, 05:10 PM
Nothing more to add :worship:!

AnnaK_4ever
Mar 21st, 2009, 05:15 PM
The quality of WTA play has been appalling this season. Tennis fans merely state this obvious fact.
And it's not a WTA worshipping forum.

Dave.
Mar 21st, 2009, 05:18 PM
The quality of WTA play has been appalling this season. Tennis fans merely state this obvious fact.
And it's not a WTA worshipping forum.

If it's so appalling (in your opinion) then what are you doing watching it? and what are you doing posting on a forum for FANS of CURRENT women's tennis?

Lucas_Arg
Mar 21st, 2009, 05:19 PM
I complain because I love WTA.
And it sucks right now.

AnnaK_4ever
Mar 21st, 2009, 05:23 PM
If it's so appalling (in your opinion) then what are you doing watching it? and what are you doing posting on a forum for FANS of CURRENT women's tennis?

Who the hell are you to tell me what to watch and where to post?

I like tennis, I hope for the better but I'm not blind enough to pretend everything is Ok.

Dave.
Mar 21st, 2009, 05:30 PM
Who the hell are you to tell me what to watch and where to post?

I like tennis, I hope for the better but I'm not blind enough to pretend everything is Ok.

The 'you' was aimed at anyone in general, not you personally.

Anyway, I wasn't telling you anything, I was asking. If tennis has been so appalling for the last few years, what is there to say it will get any better?

Temperenka
Mar 21st, 2009, 05:33 PM
I agree with some of the latter posts. I enjoy watching tennis, I care about this sport. However, to ignore obvious problems isn't the solution. The tour is struggling, maybe because of the new roadmap or whatever, but some of these last tournaments are well below where they could be.
So as some of the biggest fans of the sport shouldn't we be thinking of solutions to the obvious problems? To us, Cetkovska beating Dementieva might be exciting but truth be told, Elena didn't care about that match and anyone not on this forum is going to rather watch Roddick v. Djokovic in the quarters of a tournament than Sybille Bammer, Pavly, etc.
I still prefer women's tennis and that is why I am here along with everyone else.. but why settle for the well below average current state when there could be ways to fix it?
Most of the points made by people are recognizing obvious problems in the game and the potential of a huge decline in the WTA because of the prospect of sponsors dropping the tournaments due to lack of overall interest.
We are not representative of sports fans. It's time to recognize that things are wrong. That's not to say I don't like women's tennis.

Dodoboy.
Mar 21st, 2009, 05:34 PM
Totally agree!

JadeFox
Mar 21st, 2009, 05:40 PM
Seriously. All of this whining about the state of women's tennis is getting irritating.

The Witch-king
Mar 21st, 2009, 05:47 PM
I agree with some of the latter posts. I enjoy watching tennis, I care about this sport. However, to ignore obvious problems isn't the solution. The tour is struggling, maybe because of the new roadmap or whatever, but some of these last tournaments are well below where they could be.
So as some of the biggest fans of the sport shouldn't we be thinking of solutions to the obvious problems? To us, Cetkovska beating Dementieva might be exciting but truth be told, Elena didn't care about that match and anyone not on this forum is going to rather watch Roddick v. Djokovic in the quarters of a tournament than Sybille Bammer, Pavly, etc.


Speak for yourself. Roddick v Djokovic is my idea of TORTURE.

alwayshingis
Mar 21st, 2009, 05:49 PM
Every year there are people saying that it is the worst year ever for the tour. The tour and the game are still going strong and will be going strong for the foreseeable future. Women's tennis is still the most popular women's sport in the world. I've been loving the matches this year, from Jelena's performance at AO to Amelie's performance at Paris and many other matches in between, I think it has been a very engaging year so far. I guess I just don't grant the premise of these "obvious problems." Sparse attendance for a women's match at 11am at a joint event is nothing new. It doesn't indicate the lack of health of the women's game. I'm still very much enjoying it, and from an economic standpoint people talk about losing sponsors as though we are seeing sponsors drop like flies. In fact, I've been impressed at how many sponsors the tour has retained in the face of the current economic climate. I'm perfectly content with the way things are going.

I also see a lot of people blaming the roadmap, but how exactly is this hurting? People want to make tournaments not mandatory, but how would removing IW's mandatory status have improved the tournament in your eyes?

edificio
Mar 21st, 2009, 05:55 PM
Hear, hear!

Tennis is always in transition.

As for preferring Roddick v. Djokovic, ha! No way. I watched all the women's matches FSN showed, and the only men's match I watched was Federer v. Gonzalez. I prefer watching WTA matches, even if some of my favorites are getting older or have retired or just having a slump; but that has been happening since I began watching years and years ago. Sure, it would have been nice if some of the matches were better showcases, but the players are human, and sometimes things just don't work out. (Though I contend that Azarenka is kind of a baby and needs more seasoning.) With the absence of the Williams sisters, Sharapova, and the women gone through upsets, I've had a chance to see some younger and lower-ranked players that I had not seen before. Even if they are still green, I enjoyed the matches. It is possible to point out issues in the WTA without sounding like one of those misogynistic Men's Forum members. Too much negativity.

Elwin.
Mar 21st, 2009, 05:56 PM
:worship:

The Daviator
Mar 21st, 2009, 05:56 PM
You'll get even worse comments about the WTA over there :tape:

The Dawntreader
Mar 21st, 2009, 05:59 PM
You'll get even worse comments about the WTA over there :tape:

Oh i know, it's boderline millitant misogyny over there regarding the WTA:tape:

bobbynorwich
Mar 21st, 2009, 06:09 PM
Actually, the WTA is financially solid and doing much better in recent years, per Canadian Business article (Feb 2009) below.

Since 2006, the WTA's operating revenue increased 22%, cash reserves increased 36%, marketing increased 219% and international sales increased 136%. Today, the tour takes in about US$50 million in revenue. Need further proof of the tour's success? Sony Ericsson extended its historic US$88-million title sponsorship of the WTA in March 2007, one year early, for another two years — meanwhile, the men's tour remains without a title sponsor.

Stacey Allaster, president of the Women's Tennis Association, is confident her sport is on strong financial footing after locking up long-term sponsorship, television and year-end championship agreements. Under Allaster's leadership during the past three years, women's professional tennis has undergone a transformation, from a "quiet, please" atmosphere, to one where improving the fan experience has led to fundamental changes in the way the game is played. In retrospect, these recent changes could be viewed as a pre-emptive strike against an economic downturn.

http://www.canadianbusiness.com/managing/strategy/article.jsp?content=20090127_10004_10004.
There's more interesting info on the business side of the WTA in this article. ;)

pav
Mar 21st, 2009, 06:27 PM
Fully agree with the thread starter, ifyou think it is so bad,then pick up your toys,stick your dummy(sorry pacifier,seeing many are americans)back in your mouth and head for another playground, grizzling and whinging on the way!

BuTtErFrEnA
Mar 21st, 2009, 06:34 PM
:worship:

Slutiana
Mar 21st, 2009, 06:45 PM
:o. I love the WTA, but people who cant see that its going through a bad patch are blind. Ok, people dont have to post 20 threads a day about it. But seriously, it really is a massive dropdown from a few years ago but hmm... What goes up must come down...

rucolo
Mar 21st, 2009, 07:01 PM
Totally agree, itzhak!:yeah:

eugreene2
Mar 21st, 2009, 08:07 PM
Everbody's post is not whining. There is such thing as constructive criticism. I live in America & this country is liberated & free. If you think something is bad, you are free to say it. You people can't tell these people where to go & what to say. Some could easily say that you guys are the crybabies with soft skin.

You guys sound like the little kid who runs home to momma crying, "the kids in my class were talking about me. They said I was ugly" LOL

sammy01
Mar 21st, 2009, 09:16 PM
well i love womens tennis but im not blinded, its really struggling right now, why should i not post my views on it.

people in this thread remind me of some posters on other forums where say the artist or whatever has a set of fans who will lap up any old shit it/they put out, where as the real fans say 'wait a minute, this is bad, its not the standard im used to and im dissapointed'. i think to be a fan means you should critise anything that is not upto scratch, i love alanis morissette but so called chaos was just not good enough, i let it be known that it was sub standard as the fan in me knew she could do better, much better, same with womens tennis right now!

Nikkiri
Mar 21st, 2009, 09:19 PM
:inlove:

crazillo
Mar 21st, 2009, 11:02 PM
I complain because I love WTA.
And it sucks right now.

Totally agree. We just express our criticism because we miss better times and hope that the tour will recover quickly and overcome its current struggles.

Corswandt
Mar 21st, 2009, 11:18 PM
If the WTA tour "sucks", "boring", "horrible", "disgusting" etc.
Why you are here? just leave us, go there and have a nice time...:o

Ditto.

The Roddick vs Nadal moonballing contest is on right now IIRC. That must be some riveting tennis.

Corswandt
Mar 21st, 2009, 11:19 PM
i love alanis morissette

:scared:

The Dawntreader
Mar 21st, 2009, 11:21 PM
well i love womens tennis but im not blinded, its really struggling right now, why should i not post my views on it.

people in this thread remind me of some posters on other forums where say the artist or whatever has a set of fans who will lap up any old shit it/they put out, where as the real fans say 'wait a minute, this is bad, its not the standard im used to and im dissapointed'. i think to be a fan means you should critise anything that is not upto scratch, i love alanis morissette but so called chaos was just not good enough, i let it be known that it was sub standard as the fan in me knew she could do better, much better, same with womens tennis right now!

Sammy she's the inferior Canadian artist:p:lol:

Golovinjured.
Mar 21st, 2009, 11:25 PM
Who the hell are you to tell me what to watch and where to post?

I like tennis, I hope for the better but I'm not blind enough to pretend everything is Ok.

:yeah:

I love tennis, but this season in particular has been sub par in terms of quality. Matches, and I mean QF/SF/F matches, the ones where the best play the best, have been error filled and just horrifying to watch. Boring. There are the rare exceptions, but they're coming about less and less. I want what's best for the tour, to get more fans onboard, that's all.

I'm on MTF aswell, though. :shrug:

sammy01
Mar 21st, 2009, 11:48 PM
:scared:

Sammy she's the inferior Canadian artist:p:lol:

growing up in the 90's jagged little pill was an album that influenced me a lot and supposed former infatuation junkie is in my top 5 albums of all time.

nothing wrong with alanis, i got 2 amazing albums from her which is more than most artists.

The Dawntreader
Mar 22nd, 2009, 12:03 AM
growing up in the 90's jagged little pill was an album that influenced me a lot and supposed former infatuation junkie is in my top 5 albums of all time.

nothing wrong with alanis, i got 2 amazing albums from her which is more than most artists.

I like her too, but you have to bow to the Canadian hierachy:

1. Joni Mitchell















2.Alanis Morrisette
3. K.D. Lang

:lol:

sammy01
Mar 22nd, 2009, 12:07 AM
I like her too, but you have to bow to the Canadian hierachy:

1. Joni Mitchell















2.Alanis Morrisette
3. K.D. Lang

:lol:

oh i thought you meant avril lavigne not Joni Mitchell :tape::help:

pepaw
Mar 22nd, 2009, 12:07 AM
you cant like something but recognize it has problems?

some of the ciriticism is unfounded but the tour is obviously sucking more than usual this year.

Donny
Mar 22nd, 2009, 12:14 AM
Half the posts on this board are some form of complaint, whether about Serena not giving credit, Jankovic faking injuries, Indian Wells and the WS, etc.

Should no one here criticize anything?

Sometimes people here act like a bunch of children.

Hayato
Mar 22nd, 2009, 12:15 AM
Tell me about it!!!
People have been complaining how "awful" and "boring" the WTA is for the last 3 years!! :ignore:

I think people just love to create drama, they can't appreciate it for what it is because they have their expectations and their own opinions of who should win this match, who should lose this match- you can't do that- this is sport!! Appreciate it or go away!

Wtrain
Mar 22nd, 2009, 12:33 AM
Tell me about it!!!
People have been complaining how "awful" and "boring" the WTA is for the last 3 years!! :ignore:

I think people just love to create drama, they can't appreciate it for what it is because they have their expectations and their own opinions of who should win this match, who should lose this match- you can't do that- this is sport!! Appreciate it or go away!

I don't really care who wins, or loses. I'm a fan of the sport of tennis. I care about seeing good exciting matches..... something that's not happening on the WTA tour right now.

BuTtErFrEnA
Mar 22nd, 2009, 12:37 AM
you can have expectations...but for the past year you see the same thing all the time, yet they continue to watch, then moan some more...critique it once, fine...critique it twice, fine....but don't moan after every single match about the state of the tour...:o

sammy01
Mar 22nd, 2009, 12:39 AM
sorry but i have to say, if you don't like our complaining you lot leave lol. it works both ways.

Cat in the hat
Mar 22nd, 2009, 12:40 AM
In my opinion women's tennis is going through a very low point but tennis goes in cycles and it's happened before imo in the mid nineties and it's also happened in the men's I felt in the years when Pete stopped dominating and before Roger took over.
It's not just the fans here that are saying it, also the commentators on eurosport have mentioned it too. Hopefully it will sort itself out the only women's match I enjoyed this year was the Paris final but then again I am biased cos I'm a Mauresmo fan.

Marionated
Mar 22nd, 2009, 12:47 AM
Mens tennis isn't that much better.
Federer-Murray match was pretty bad.
Nadal-Roddick was average.

Sam L
Mar 22nd, 2009, 12:48 AM
You'll get even worse comments about the WTA over there :tape:

Which is why I don't go there anymore. Sexists. :rolleyes:

sammy01
Mar 22nd, 2009, 12:51 AM
Mens tennis isn't that much better.
Federer-Murray match was pretty bad.
Nadal-Roddick was average.

compare it to the 2 womens semis :tape:

p.s nadal roddick was played in a strong wind, god knows how ugly the womens sem,is would have been had there been wind as well.

crazillo
Mar 22nd, 2009, 01:10 AM
oh i thought you meant avril lavigne not Joni Mitchell :tape::help:

Avril :hearts: :wavey: I think there has hardly been a musician who TRUELY influenced me at all.
Avril did so! 90's was a good time to grow up!

wtatourfan
Mar 22nd, 2009, 03:10 AM
loved the thread!!!

Ciarán
Mar 22nd, 2009, 03:16 AM
MTF is a homophobic shit hole full of losers.

Donny
Mar 22nd, 2009, 03:46 AM
MTF is a homophobic shit hole full of losers.

That I can agree on. I'm pretty sure the dominant demographic on MTF is adolescent boys who've never had relations with females.

Sam L
Mar 22nd, 2009, 03:55 AM
MTF is a homophobic shit hole full of losers.

That I can agree on. I'm pretty sure the dominant demographic on MTF is adolescent boys who've never had relations with females.

:worship: :worship: :worship:

graffan20
Mar 22nd, 2009, 04:31 AM
I dont prefer mens tennis to womens tennis currently in the least. I am actually a man, and I have followed both for many years, and in the past I was equally interested in both. However I dont even enjoy the current mens field that much any longer. Federer and Nadal IMO would struggle to even win the occasional slam in the 70s, 80s, or 90s except for Nadal at the French Open where he would undoubtably win several in any era. Basically the mens field is dominated by a guy (Nadal) with hardly a serve, no net game, a very suspect return game, and overspun groundstrokes which are attackable on anything but clay; along with a guy with a very good but not overpowering serve, an overly defensive return game, a weak backhand, a very shaky net game, and a weak mental game (Federer). I am not impressed. I actually hold out hope for Murray, Djokovic, and some of the even younger up and comers such as Cilic and Gulbis as I feel they potentially have far more complete games than either Federer or Nadal.

I have seen the womens game stronger than the current field I do admit but it is still strong enough to hold my interest which sadly the mens games since 2000 has not. It is also to be expected it is at a lower point for now with Henin retiring out of nowhere, Maria dealing with a chronic possible early career ending injury, much of the old gaurd fading away, and Clijsters having taken early retirement two years ago. It holds promise with young talented players like Azarenka, Radwanska, Ivanovic, and others on the rise and can only continue to improve from her, complimenting the Williams who still have some strong years left I believe, especialy Serena. I am still excited about the womens tour, despite that it may be at a briefly temporarily lower point, it still has a nice variety of contenders, personalities, and many worthwhile matches; with only expected improvement in the future IMO.

DutchieGirl
Mar 22nd, 2009, 05:38 AM
I agree with some of the latter posts. I enjoy watching tennis, I care about this sport. However, to ignore obvious problems isn't the solution. The tour is struggling, maybe because of the new roadmap or whatever, but some of these last tournaments are well below where they could be.
So as some of the biggest fans of the sport shouldn't we be thinking of solutions to the obvious problems? To us, Cetkovska beating Dementieva might be exciting but truth be told, Elena didn't care about that match and anyone not on this forum is going to rather watch Roddick v. Djokovic in the quarters of a tournament than Sybille Bammer, Pavly, etc.
I still prefer women's tennis and that is why I am here along with everyone else.. but why settle for the well below average current state when there could be ways to fix it?
Most of the points made by people are recognizing obvious problems in the game and the potential of a huge decline in the WTA because of the prospect of sponsors dropping the tournaments due to lack of overall interest.
We are not representative of sports fans. It's time to recognize that things are wrong. That's not to say I don't like women's tennis.
If people are gonna prefer to watch Roddick-Djokovic than Pavly-Bammer, then a. WTA can't really do anything about the LEVEL of tennis anyone is playing, and b. perhaps people don't know who the hell Bammer and Pavly are, so maybe the WTA tour needs to look at doing some better promoting of its players?

supergrunt
Mar 22nd, 2009, 05:40 AM
If the WTA tour "sucks", "boring", "horrible", "disgusting" etc.
Why you are here? just leave us, go there and have a nice time...:o

lol