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Navratil
Mar 21st, 2009, 10:47 AM
I really believe that women's tennis is on a totaly different level these days than 10-15 years ago! In the mid-90-ies the top players could only beat each other.

It was in 1998 when Serena and Venus played Karsten Braasch and it was a desaster! :devil:

But Serena and Venus were very young at that stage and very up and down! Serena lost 1:6 1:6 to Joanette Kruger a few weeks later in Oklahoma City ...

But what about these days: Could Venus win a single game against Federer? Could Serena beat Diego Hartfield or the # 868 of the ATP-rankings or any male professional tennis player?

Sometimes the girls don't look that bad in the mixed doubles. Where would Sharapova be in the ATP-
Rankings? What female player would have the best chance to beat a male player? Could Marat practice with Dinara? Does anybody know if Hewitt and Clijsters ever faced eachother?

:confused:

Привет
Mar 21st, 2009, 10:53 AM
Battle of Sex. :haha:

Horizon
Mar 21st, 2009, 10:56 AM
This is always a highly debated subject.

I am of the personal opinion that the female game is on a much lower level than the game of the men's. Any top 10 ATP vs top 10 WTA would be a MAJOR beatdown, of epic proportions :p

I doubt any women would win a single game against Nadal, because there's nothing anyone has that can hurt him. I voted, "They might win a match or two on challenger level" and I'm in fact starting to doubt that.

Roookie
Mar 21st, 2009, 11:06 AM
Funny thread. :haha:. Women can't beat men, maybe Serena has a shot to beat a top 600 player but in the juniors.

Wilson_07
Mar 21st, 2009, 03:48 PM
I really believe that women's tennis is on a totaly different level these days than 10-15 years ago! In the mid-90-ies the top players could only beat each other.

It was in 1998 when Serena and Venus played Karsten Braasch and it was a desaster! :devil:

But Serena and Venus were very young at that stage and very up and down! Serena lost 1:6 1:6 to Joanette Kruger a few weeks later in Oklahoma City ...
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But what about these days: Could Venus win a single game against Federer? Could Serena beat Diego Hartfield or the # 868 of the ATP-rankings or any male professional tennis player?

Sometimes the girls don't look that bad in the mixed doubles. Where would Sharapova be in the ATP-
Rankings? What female player would have the best chance to beat a male player? Could Marat practice with Dinara? Does anybody know Hewitt and Clijsters ever faced eachother?

:confused:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DfyR4Vzn7Po ;) i personally don't think that a woman top player could beat a male top player, but maybe they really would have a chance against lower ranked males. though i even doubt that, because serena for example said that she's got male hitting partners that are able to beat her and she thinks that's important for her training and her hitting partner is a guy who didn't have that much success on the atp-tour, so i don't think the women are able to compete with the men (clijsters played quite well against hewitt though ;))

Sam L
Mar 21st, 2009, 03:54 PM
Helen Wills in her heyday beat a top ten ranked male player. I've forgotten his name.

I'm sure Serena can definitely compete too especially if it's on hard courts and the male player is not comfortable on hard courts.

A better example would be Venus on grass against a clay court specialist with a weak serve.

Lunaris
Mar 21st, 2009, 04:27 PM
Helen Wills in her heyday beat a top ten ranked male player. I've forgotten his name.

I'm sure Serena can definitely compete too especially if it's on hard courts and the male player is not comfortable on hard courts.

A better example would be Venus on grass against a clay court specialist with a weak serve.
:lol:

frenchie
Mar 21st, 2009, 04:37 PM
No WTA women will ever beat an ATP guy

but there should be some interesting match up like Venus/Roitman on grass or Ivanovic/any american mug on clay

Paneru
Mar 21st, 2009, 04:38 PM
I ask just who is feeling insecure and threatened?

Seems this type of thread pops up every so often and become nothing
more than basically bashing of womens' tennis and all about what
they could never do.

Point being, if they can't beat this guy or that guy ranked either here or
there (being stated as some unequivical fact) why the need to have it keep
coming up again and again? Proves what? That women are not men?

miffedmax
Mar 21st, 2009, 05:32 PM
I'm pretty sure Dementieva could beat me. Really, really badly. Then again, I'd get to sit like a few feet away from her on the changeovers, so like I'd give a crap.

Of course, I'd have to insist on best of five to maximise my :drool: time to like 30 or 40 minutes.

Vanity Bonfire
Mar 21st, 2009, 05:37 PM
Patty Schnyder beat Patricia Mayr's brother once. He was a ranked professional.

Vanity Bonfire
Mar 21st, 2009, 05:37 PM
Patty Schnyder beat Patricia Mayr's brother once. He was a ranked professional.

Sammm
Mar 21st, 2009, 05:46 PM
The Kim -Lleyton match was very entertaining :drool:

iGOAT
Mar 21st, 2009, 05:48 PM
Ivanovic beat Djokovic in a practice set at the 2007 US Open

slamchamp
Mar 21st, 2009, 05:48 PM
Patty Schnyder beat Patricia Mayr's brother once. He was a ranked professional.

égalité
Mar 21st, 2009, 05:50 PM
Top ten woman against ~1000 ranked male would be a close match. The woman could probably win.

Apoleb
Mar 21st, 2009, 05:53 PM
Depends if it's from behind, or if the woman can manage to get on top.

moby
Mar 21st, 2009, 06:02 PM
It depends on what you mean by "top women". The best women ever could probably take on men in the lower rungs of the top 500.

If by "top women" you mean most of our current top 10, then... :tape:

CrossCourt~Rally
Mar 21st, 2009, 06:04 PM
Patty Schnyder beat Patricia Mayr's brother once. He was a ranked professional.


John Mayr ?? :p

Wiggly
Mar 21st, 2009, 06:12 PM
Well, in Montreal, the girls hire some boys playing in the junior circuit in they usually say that when they don't move, the can compete with them but if they make them move, it's over.

Vanity Bonfire
Mar 21st, 2009, 06:13 PM
John Mayr ?? :p

:lol::lol::lol::lol:

That would have been great! No, he was actually called Patrick. Their parents were obviously imaginative with names, huh?

crazillo
Mar 21st, 2009, 06:55 PM
Men don't take this too seriously as you can see watching Kim and Lleyton.

Maleeva won a practise set from Federer, but you never know how they played like.

Male and female people just have a naturally different physical condition, so I really don't know why this has been braught up so often.

edificio
Mar 21st, 2009, 07:00 PM
Dumb question. I'd rather have sex.

fnuf7
Mar 22nd, 2009, 12:10 AM
I went with the top could beat some of the lower ranked players & by lower I was thinking really low like in the 200s, 300s or 400s & the top women would have to be absolutely on top of their game that day & possibly only be playing one set or some special rules or something. The power of most men would just brush most women off the court, certainly the top men would not be at all troubled unless they were having the absolute worst day of their tennis career.

frenchie
Mar 22nd, 2009, 12:16 AM
Ivanovic beat Djokovic in a practice set at the 2007 US Open

I highly doubt it

AnomyBC
Mar 22nd, 2009, 12:17 AM
As someone already mentioned, in 1933 Helen Wills Moody beat the #8 ranked male player in the world, a guy named Phil Neer. And, of course, Billie Jean King famously beat former #1 Bobby Riggs in 1973---although he was 55 years old at the time.

So it possible for the girls to sometimes beat the guys---even occasionally a high ranked player. The girl has to be playing amazing tennis though, and unfortunately no one in women's tennis is currently playing well enough to beat any of the guy's in the Top 100. Steffi Graf could have probably beat some high-ranked male players though... and maybe Serena when she she was at her peak in 2002. Or maybe Seles in the early 90's. Or Navratilova, Evert, etc.

AnomyBC
Mar 22nd, 2009, 12:19 AM
Depends if it's from behind, or if the woman can manage to get on top.

:lol:

frenchie
Mar 22nd, 2009, 12:20 AM
There are 2 main reasons for the woman to lose this kind of match :

their lack of speed
the men's serve

this is obvioulsy for physiological reasons

Richie's
Mar 22nd, 2009, 12:22 AM
Women can! Safina for ex. can beat a Top 200 player for sure.

frenchie
Mar 22nd, 2009, 12:23 AM
^^No she can't

The Dawntreader
Mar 22nd, 2009, 12:25 AM
Sexual dimorphism has always thrown me. Surely a woman should she want to, could train just as hard as a male tennis player? :shrug:

I dont understand how men are some how fundamentally faster?

lympyisthebest
Mar 22nd, 2009, 12:28 AM
Women can! Safina for ex. can beat a Top 200 player for sure.

:spit:

Good joke. :rolls:

frenchie
Mar 22nd, 2009, 12:30 AM
Sexual dimorphism has always thrown me. Surely a woman should she want to, could train just as hard as a male tennis player? :shrug:

I dont understand how men are some how fundamentally faster?

Well it's a fact like it or not;)

Look how male athletes are able to run 100m under 10s...
Women train as hard as men but their physical abilities are smaller

The Dawntreader
Mar 22nd, 2009, 12:33 AM
Well it's a fact like it or not;)

Look how male athletes are able to run 100m under 10s...
Women train as hard as men but their physical abilities are smaller

I'm still keen to see what a woman could do under extreme physical training.

Women have a tough ride biology wise:sad:

Anyway, female lions run faster than male lions, so that's one up for the girls!:lol:

pepaw
Mar 22nd, 2009, 12:49 AM
sharapova split two sets with a ranked male a few weeks ago apparently. but im guessing his "ranking" is in the juniors or something.

some top women could compete will really low ranked men but usually it would be a blowout.

Navratil
Mar 22nd, 2009, 07:28 PM
It would be so interesting to have more "mixed" matches. The last official one was Navratilova vs Conners when Navratilova was 35 and Conners 40.

Calypso
Mar 22nd, 2009, 07:41 PM
Battle of Sex. :haha:

:lol:

Seriously,its highly unlikely a WTA player would beat an ATP player, men are so much stronger physically. Maybe against players on the seniors' tour,like McEnroe or Borg of '09?

wayitis
Mar 22nd, 2009, 08:43 PM
and what would be the incentive for a decent ranked male player to engage in such buffoon act? if he wins, he will still lose as people will say that was expected and unfair... and if he wins by much, he will be called a sexist jerk...if he loses a few games, he will be called mediocre and God forbid if he loses the match, because then he will be the joke of the Tour and his career probably in the drain... People should let it be the way it is right now, when they occasionaly play exhibition matches that are always made tight, close and entertaining...

bobcat
Mar 22nd, 2009, 09:33 PM
So yeah, back in 2002 Patty Schnyder did play Patrik Mayr, ranked 1192 at the time and won 7-6(6) 7-5. But less well known is that the following year she played Daniel Koellerer, ranked 180, and lost 6-2 6-4, which I consider to be even more impressive! (BTW, Koellerer is now ranked 107 and beat Nalbandian in Acapulco last month.)

miffedmax
Mar 22nd, 2009, 09:38 PM
Don't know about the examples above, but most of the exos I know of where it's been close have had some kind of handicap for the woman, like letting her use the doubles alley, only giving the guy one serve, or something like that.

Wilson_07
Mar 22nd, 2009, 11:00 PM
:lol:

Seriously,its highly unlikely a WTA player would beat an ATP player, men are so much stronger physically. Maybe against players on the seniors' tour,like McEnroe or Borg of '09?

yeah i think they would have very good chances to win against seniors players. i remeber a match between justine and y.noah which lasted three tough sets.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-R0qR_Q6Aw

Navratil
Mar 24th, 2009, 02:53 PM
Hewitt was not playing full speed:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YK_lekfUedE

Hewitt bt Clijsters 9:8! :-D

What about the Schnyder-matches vs Mayr & Koellerer? Was it in front of an audiance???
Never heard about these matches.

Dominic
Mar 24th, 2009, 04:12 PM
So yeah, back in 2002 Patty Schnyder did play Patrik Mayr, ranked 1192 at the time and won 7-6(6) 7-5. But less well known is that the following year she played Daniel Koellerer, ranked 180, and lost 6-2 6-4, which I consider to be even more impressive! (BTW, Koellerer is now ranked 107 and beat Nalbandian in Acapulco last month.)

Really? I didnt know about the second match. And Patty is not really a top woman, she often gets beaten by the top girls with similar scores.

Mateo Mathieu
Mar 24th, 2009, 10:41 PM
None. Not gonna happen. Not in 10, 20, 50 years.

Dominic
Mar 24th, 2009, 11:10 PM
None. Not gonna happen. Not in 10, 20, 50 years.

Mmh sorry honey but it already did a couple times.

frenchie
Mar 24th, 2009, 11:36 PM
So yeah, back in 2002 Patty Schnyder did play Patrik Mayr, ranked 1192 at the time and won 7-6(6) 7-5. But less well known is that the following year she played Daniel Koellerer, ranked 180, and lost 6-2 6-4, which I consider to be even more impressive! (BTW, Koellerer is now ranked 107 and beat Nalbandian in Acapulco last month.)

If I'm not mistaken I think Patty had a 15/00 or 30/00 advantage in every game for those matches:rolleyes:

Dominic
Mar 25th, 2009, 01:01 AM
If I'm not mistaken I think Patty had a 15/00 or 30/00 advantage in every game for those matches:rolleyes:

well you are mistaken.

frenchie
Mar 25th, 2009, 01:11 AM
well you are mistaken.

no I don't think so;)

Prove me wrong then:angel:

Volcana
Mar 25th, 2009, 01:42 AM
If Serena had the best serving day, AND the best forehand, of her entire life, she could get into a tie-breaker against any living human. But once in that tie-breaker, she's going to lose. Because by that time, the guy, whoever it is, is taking her seriously. And the guy is likely stronger, faster and can put WAY more spin on the ball.

But what is sports supposed to prove? Who's bigger, faster and stronger? I think not. mma and Boxing haveweight classes. Baseball has minor leagues. Then there's pro vs college. Why have all these various levels of ANY sport, if the point was just who was the best?

But if, as I was taught as a kid, sports is supposed to build 'character'; if it's about who's mentally tough; if it's about resiliency under pressure, if it's about skill relative to potential; if all that is true, I'll give you this.

If the shit hits the fan, and you need somebody who fight to their last breathe next to you, if you're in a life or death situation where resolve where sheer never-say-die force of will is the only thing that will save you, do you want Serena Williams next to you, or Marat Safin? Or, heaven help you, Nikolai Davydenko?

Hell, if it's about heart, and will, and giving til your own body is literally eating it's own muscle to keep going, I'll take the Martina Hingis who lost the 2002 OZ final over 99% of the men's tour,

alfonsojose
Mar 25th, 2009, 02:55 AM
If Serena had the best serving day, AND the best forehand, of her entire life, she could get into a tie-breaker against any living human. But once in that tie-breaker, she's going to lose. Because by that time, the guy, whoever it is, is taking her seriously. And the guy is likely stronger, faster and can put WAY more spin on the ball.

:haha: :haha:

miffedmax
Mar 25th, 2009, 04:47 PM
It's all a big, fat so what to me.

As far as I'm concerned, if I pay my money, or park my butt on my couch to watch tennis, I want to be entertained. The question to me isn't can Andy Roddick or Roger Federer (my favorite male players) beat Lena D. or Vee, my favorite female players. It's will I enjoy watching those players play tennis at a higher level than I can ever dream of doing it? Will I see some of the qualities Volcana describes displayed in the match (well, sometimes with Lena D... sometimes :tape:). Basically, I'm a tennis fan, so I'd rather watch two really talented women play tennis that watch male athletes pay a lot of other sports, even though, yeah, with a few exceptions, (like ultra-long distance swimming) the men are going to be better than the women. But WTA tennis vs. March madness? I'm watchin' the ladies. Sorry boys.

Then there's intangibles. For example, I'm also a passionate soccer fan. My favorite teams are FC Dallas and Liverpool. I know LIverpool would mop up the pitch with FC Dallas, but FC Dallas is MY team, the one I've supported since the day they were born, I know they're not playing at the highest possible level of football in the world, but I'll support them against any and all comers.

Same with the ladies I support in the WTA. For whatever reason (not just bangs, really) I'd rather invest my time in backing Lena and to a lesser extent Vee than a bunch of other male tennis players. I could, I suppose, find other male tennis players to support and only follow the ATP, but for some reason that seems boring to me. Follwing both ATP and WTA tennis makes slams and tournaments like Miami more interesting because generally there's somebody I support involved for most of the tournament.

Comparing and disparaging male and female players is pointless and idiotic. What's next? Advising my 12-year-old to give up tennis because he, too, doesn't stand a chance against an ATP player?