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DokicPova
Mar 20th, 2009, 08:40 PM
It's looked like a tier 3 :tape::tape::tape:

Lunaris
Mar 20th, 2009, 08:42 PM
You are the worst poster ever. Coming off suspension and immediately posting rubbish.

Louis Cyphre
Mar 20th, 2009, 08:45 PM
in fact I kinda like it :) If Azarenka and Ivanovic reach the final I`ll love it :devil:

DokicPova
Mar 20th, 2009, 08:49 PM
You are the worst poster ever. Coming off suspension and immediately posting rubbish.

the hell? who are you, minion?

Carsten
Mar 20th, 2009, 08:52 PM
Hantuchova won here twice, so no.

goldenlox
Mar 20th, 2009, 08:57 PM
You have last year's winner, and the #6, and the best young player and the best 17 year old.
It's a decent mix, but it's trus that only Ana has won above a Tier III, and she's done little since RG
If Dinara was playing Vera, we'd have an important match, for the #1 spot

OsloErik
Mar 20th, 2009, 08:59 PM
It's been very entertaining if you like watching new talent break through! This is Azarenka and Zvonareva's chance to really show some mettle, AND we've seen Nastia Pavlyuchenkova (officially the hardest last name to spell; I have to look it up each time) exhibit why she's been talked about for the past three years.

The only disappointment in my mind is that Ivanovic has come through to the semifinals without looking much better than she did in Australia. I'd love to see her right the ship, but I doubt it will help her if she keeps on winning against the players she has no business getting that pushed by without having to up her game from its current mediocrity.

But there's always one quarter of every draw that's a little bit of a downer. Usually it's Kuznetsova's, but this week it Ivanovic's.

Olórin
Mar 20th, 2009, 09:00 PM
Imo a stupid question to ask. What, are you planning on listing all the Indian Wells tournaments in order from best to worst? It's a sad outlook to have.

OsloErik
Mar 20th, 2009, 09:00 PM
You have last year's winner, and the #6, and the best young player and the best 17 year old.
It's a decent mix, but it's trus that only Ana has won above a Tier III, and she's done little since RG

I'm always surprised when I hear Zvonareva hasn't won a title above a Tier III. She's been around long enough as a top 10er that I keep thinking she has a Tier II in there somewhere, but no. Out of curiosity, who is the highest ranked player in history without a Tier II or higher title? With Zvonareva clocking in at #5 for her career high, she must be a contender, no?

spiceboy
Mar 20th, 2009, 09:04 PM
Not really, I remember watching one quarterfinal some years ago Smashnova vs Gagliardi or something like that :help:

Direwolf
Mar 20th, 2009, 09:05 PM
every year is worser
than the previous year

The Daviator
Mar 20th, 2009, 09:07 PM
You are the worst poster ever. Coming off suspension and immediately posting rubbish.

:worship:

Wojtek
Mar 20th, 2009, 09:08 PM
every year is worser

AnnaK_4ever
Mar 20th, 2009, 09:16 PM
I'm always surprised when I hear Zvonareva hasn't won a title above a Tier III. She's been around long enough as a top 10er that I keep thinking she has a Tier II in there somewhere, but no. Out of curiosity, who is the highest ranked player in history without a Tier II or higher title? With Zvonareva clocking in at #5 for her career high, she must be a contender, no?

Don't know about "in history" but among those who have been top-10 since mid-1980s Katerina Maleeva (#6) springs to my mind.

pepaw
Mar 20th, 2009, 09:19 PM
wasnt 2007 li vs hantuchova and kuznetsova vs bammer??

Ellery
Mar 20th, 2009, 09:45 PM
wasnt 2007 li vs hantuchova and kuznetsova vs bammer??

Best IW :drool:

Malva
Mar 20th, 2009, 10:12 PM
Saying best or worst can be measured only in terms of the overall quality of matches not by the perception that a tournament is bad when top seeded favorites lose, some even very early. That is irrelevant. Only the quality of the matches matters.

Having said that, I must admit some of the matches had dismal quality, and not one -- quite a few, including the last match of my own favorite.

volta
Mar 20th, 2009, 10:19 PM
You are the worst poster ever. Coming off suspension and immediately posting rubbish.

Words of wisdom :bowdown:

AnnaK_4ever
Mar 20th, 2009, 10:21 PM
Australian Open was not any better anyway...

bjurra
Mar 20th, 2009, 10:36 PM
Saying best or worst cannot be measured only in terms of the overall quality of matches not by the perception that a tournament when top seeded favorites lose, some even very early. That is irrelevant. Only the quality of the matches matters.

Having said that, I must admit some of the matches had dismal quality, and not one -- quite a few, including the last match of my own favorite.

I agree completely with you. The question is: Has there been one single match of high quality? Azarenka vs Peer maybe?

Thkmra
Mar 20th, 2009, 10:40 PM
every year is worser
than the previous year

And we know who to blame for that, huh?:devil:

Jose.
Mar 20th, 2009, 10:42 PM
Nastasya P. in Semis is a bit choking but she is playing very nice. So in terms of names it's possibly one of the worst IW ever but in terms of quality matches I have seen so good matches :)

Malva
Mar 20th, 2009, 11:01 PM
I agree completely with you. The question is: Has there been one single match of high quality? Azarenka vs Peer maybe?

With horror I noticed that I wrote

Saying best or worst cannot be measured only in terms of the overall quality of matches not by the perception that a tournament when top seeded favorites lose, some even very early.

when I obviously meant "can be measured". Hopefully the context made clear what I meant. I promptly corrected my post.

I have to say today's match between Vera and Viktoria was an unexpected letdown and a final blow. After all one player who was supposed to be the current 'savior' of WTA was Azarenka. And how did she play? Oh, my...

bjurra
Mar 21st, 2009, 12:05 AM
Malva, the context made clear what you meant, I didnt even notice the mistake.

Temperenka
Mar 21st, 2009, 12:41 AM
Yes. Zvonareva has been given pretty much a free ride to the final and might win the whole enchilada. :o

rjd1111
Mar 21st, 2009, 12:45 AM
Imo a stupid question to ask. What, are you planning on listing all the Indian Wells tournaments in order from best to worst? It's a sad outlook to have.

I think all of them since 2001 is the worst ever

line them up. In no particular order.

Patrick345
Mar 21st, 2009, 12:53 AM
It's been very entertaining if you like watching new talent break through! This is Azarenka and Zvonareva's chance to really show some mettle, AND we've seen Nastia Pavlyuchenkova (officially the hardest last name to spell

Haha, seriously. I can type it off the top of my head now, but I´m so exhausted when I arrive at the -enko, that I sometimes drop the female ending. :lol:

Lucas_Arg
Mar 21st, 2009, 01:06 AM
I think last year was good.
Sharapova, Jankovic, Ivanovic and Sveta, the best we can ask since WS don't play.

sammy01
Mar 21st, 2009, 01:14 AM
Australian Open was not any better anyway...

yep i agree, its sad but the 2 biggest tournaments of the year so far, oz open and IW, have been the worst quality i can remember in a long time. so much for the road map.

Miss Amor
Mar 21st, 2009, 01:15 AM
Australian open was way better, Serena, Sveta, Dementieva, Safina, Vera, Dokic, Bartoli is a way better QF line up.

sammy01
Mar 21st, 2009, 01:19 AM
Australian open was way better, Serena, Sveta, Dementieva, Safina, Vera, Dokic, Bartoli is a way better QF line up.

what difference does the players names make its what they brought to those qtrs that counts. vera trashed marion and wasn't even playing well. the serena vs sveta match had probably the ugliest set i've seen from serena in a very long time in, dokic and safina was a battle of the UE's and carla was a no show against dementieva, whats the point in star names if thats the quality they bring.

Miss Amor
Mar 21st, 2009, 01:25 AM
Serena vs Sveta was full of drama and apart from the first set, Serena played quite alright. Dinara vs Dokic was full of drama too and had good rallies, though they ended on UE's sometimes. Carla was nervous but after getting over the initial nerves the match was quite decent . Bartoli VS Bepa wasnt that good but still better than any of the matches at IW.

Jelena vs Bartoli was high quality, especially the way Bartoli was hitting the lines, it was really refreshing to see. Venus vs Carla was so high drama and quit good quality. Most of Dokic's matches were high drama and high intensity, though not so high quality. Serena vs Dementieva was pretty high quality, and some superb rallies. Mauresmo vs Vika was high intensity, high quality match with variety on one side and orecise hitting on the other. The whole tournament was way better than anything we have seen in IW.

sammy01
Mar 21st, 2009, 01:29 AM
Serena vs Sveta was full of drama and apart from the first set, Serena played quite alright. Dinara vs Dokic was full of drama too and had good rallies, though they ended on UE's sometimes. Carla was nervous but after getting over the initial nerves the match was quiet decent . Bartoli VS Bepa wasnt that good but still better than any of the matches at IW.

well we will have to agree to disagree, to say the serena vs sveta match was 'full of drama' is a very big over statement. as for the dementieva vs carla match you're the 1st person i've heard call it quiet decent.

Привет
Mar 21st, 2009, 02:03 AM
You are the worst poster ever. Coming off suspension and immediately posting rubbish.

:bowdown:

vadin124
Mar 21st, 2009, 02:11 AM
i hate to admit it, but i have to agree...with the field at the quarter-semi stage, it does feel like a strong tier 3, certainly not supposedly the 6th biggest tournament of the year!

Svetlana.
Mar 21st, 2009, 02:17 AM
the quality of matches is quite low, but there are still a lot of drama and surprises along the way

AnnaK_4ever
Mar 21st, 2009, 02:34 AM
i hate to admit it, but i have to agree...with the field at the quarter-semi stage, it does feel like a strong tier 3, certainly not supposedly the 6th biggest tournament of the year!

too bad Bartoli didn't make it past 2nd round at tier III event :tape:

The Daviator
Mar 21st, 2009, 02:49 AM
i hate to admit it, but i have to agree...with the field at the quarter-semi stage, it does feel like a strong tier 3, certainly not supposedly the 6th biggest tournament of the year!

What did you expect the field to be? Zvonareva and Azarenka are two of the most in-form players this season, and they lived up to their form and made the semis, Ana is the defending champ and Nastya is the breakout star.

Ciarán
Mar 21st, 2009, 02:54 AM
Yes.

AnomyBC
Mar 21st, 2009, 02:55 AM
Three of my favs, Ana, Pavly and Vera, are still alive, so I'm loving it at the moment :)

I just wish Maria was here and Caro was still around :sad:

Nikkiri
Mar 21st, 2009, 03:00 AM
Boohoo.

Svetlana.
Mar 21st, 2009, 03:12 AM
I wish Maria would still play in doubles

espntennis
Mar 21st, 2009, 03:49 AM
You are the worst poster ever. Coming off suspension and immediately posting rubbish.

Ouch. Hahahaha.

danieln1
Mar 21st, 2009, 05:04 AM
No, the worst year was 2004, when a belgian beat Lindsay Davenport in the final!
This year is one of the best, with Ana and in-form Vera in the final!

Archer16
Mar 21st, 2009, 06:52 AM
I'm always surprised when I hear Zvonareva hasn't won a title above a Tier III. She's been around long enough as a top 10er that I keep thinking she has a Tier II in there somewhere, but no. Out of curiosity, who is the highest ranked player in history without a Tier II or higher title? With Zvonareva clocking in at #5 for her career high, she must be a contender, no?
I had a similar question (http://www.tennisforum.com/showpost.php?p=11862330&postcount=37) some time ago - as Vera is far from done yet, then surprisingly the record holder for "highest before winning Tier II or higher" is probably Steffi Graf who got to #3 without winning any title.

Saying best or worst can be measured only in terms of the overall quality of matches not by the perception that a tournament is bad when top seeded favorites lose, some even very early. That is irrelevant. Only the quality of the matches matters.

Having said that, I must admit some of the matches had dismal quality, and not one -- quite a few, including the last match of my own favorite.
Right. Basically it's the same depth vs inconsistency perceptions all the time, but mostly shown around here with less nicer words.

Golovinjured.
Mar 21st, 2009, 08:30 AM
Quality wise, by far.

FrOzon
Mar 21st, 2009, 08:45 AM
Hantuchova won here twice, so no.

;)

Roookie
Mar 21st, 2009, 08:59 AM
every year is worser
than the previous year

Seems to me like every tournament is worst than the previous one. Seriously, wtf is going to happen in Miami?. :shrug:

Mashafaaaaan
Mar 21st, 2009, 09:05 AM
Seems to me like every tournament is worst than the previous one. Seriously, wtf is going to happen in Miami?. :shrug:

So true, the tour is really in bad shape, it sucks.

Golovinjured.
Mar 21st, 2009, 09:05 AM
Black Racket will save Miami. :worship:

LudwigDvorak
Mar 21st, 2009, 09:36 AM
well we will have to agree to disagree, to say the serena vs sveta match was 'full of drama' is a very big over statement. as for the dementieva vs carla match you're the 1st person i've heard call it quiet decent.

The first four games of the CSN/Dementieva QF, aside from a few nice winners by Elena, were trash. After that, I thought it was a very good performance from Elena with several long, grueling games and good variety from both. Carla didn't play amazing, but Elena did.

I also thought the Hantuchova/Radwanska AO QF was a very entertaining, well-played match. I'm not opposed to beat downs as long as the victor plays good ball, and I felt that way with both, just as examples.

And to answer the thread question, you obviously think so, so why ask us?

laurie
Mar 21st, 2009, 10:58 AM
Unusually for me I haven't watched a single minute of Tennis on Eurosport the last two weeks, I've been following the Rughy Six nations and the cricket in the West Indies.

I have to admit I haven't been inspired by the results so far when I've checked the reports but I think I will watch the final bewteen Ivanovic and Zvonareva more to see whether Vera can pull off a big win.

adner
Mar 21st, 2009, 02:18 PM
Unusually for me I haven't watched a single minute of Tennis on Eurosport the last two weeks, I've been following the Rughy Six nations and the cricket in the West Indies.


Eurosport was lucky enough to broadcast most of Radwanskas' matches so they were rather interesting(except last one as Aga played like No. 1000 of world), Ula vs Caro was :hearts:

goldenlox
Mar 21st, 2009, 02:35 PM
I am sure IW would rather have the 6 players left than what Miami had last year with Kolya winning the final easily.

slamchamp
Mar 21st, 2009, 03:10 PM
yesss it's thaa worsttt

tennisbum79
Mar 21st, 2009, 03:16 PM
I agree with the thread creator.

People who posted "worse and worsoe" agree in princpile with the thread authtor as well.

I still want Ana to win

serenus_2k8
Mar 21st, 2009, 03:34 PM
Ana winning would make it a bit better. If Vera wins and goes back to top5 :spit: :spit: :spit:

AnnaK_4ever
Mar 21st, 2009, 04:02 PM
I also thought the Hantuchova/Radwanska AO QF was a very entertaining, well-played match.

That was Oz 2008 :lol:

OsloErik
Mar 21st, 2009, 04:17 PM
Ana winning would make it a bit better. If Vera wins and goes back to top5 :spit: :spit: :spit:

See, and I'm the complete opposite. It would be one thing if Ivanovic had played well to make the final, but it would just be sad if Ivanovic defends such a big title without having to up her game. If Ivanovic wins by going through the draw she had (seriously, if Pennetta-the-trainwreck-this-year is the toughest player you face all tournament, there are issues) it makes it more embarrassing. Zvonareva has had to beat a much higher quality of opposition, knocking off two very good young players, two good young players, and an older power hitter who has had very good success at Indian Wells.

I want Ivanovic to go back to playing like a top 5 player, and being rewarded for her mediocrity this week is not going to help her.

Sund7101
Mar 21st, 2009, 05:58 PM
Yes, I'm looking forward to Miami next week!