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doujyr
Mar 20th, 2009, 12:24 PM
What is going on with coverage of WTA USA events in Europe? It's been getting worse and worse for a couple years now. I remember in 05/06 we used to get pretty good coverage, but it's been getting less and less.

It seems to be a USA thing though, as Eurosport showed a lot of Montreal last year.

Now there's no coverage of the IW SF's, not even on the subscription Eurosport player. :fiery:

Is there some kind of turf war going on?

Miss Amor
Mar 20th, 2009, 12:59 PM
I was thinking the same thing while checking the TV schedule. No WTA scheduled.

Christinawww
Mar 20th, 2009, 01:03 PM
some WTA SF on Saturday night. It is such a joke that they can't air both SF.

sammy01
Mar 20th, 2009, 01:07 PM
the laughable thing is IW schedule the semi's early for european viewers.

get used to it people the WTA is becoming less and less popular, which will equal less coverage.

Dexter
Mar 20th, 2009, 01:07 PM
Replays of football matches are more interesting apparently. Eurosport becomes more of a joke with every passing year.

Lin Lin
Mar 20th, 2009, 01:08 PM
Maybe because they are now the weakest Semi-finalists in decades:shrug:

M-K
Mar 20th, 2009, 01:10 PM
Noooooooooooooo! Is eurosport not showing Azarenka vs. Zvonereva?

crazillo
Mar 20th, 2009, 01:42 PM
It is really bad, coverage has been getting worse and worse. For years they've been talking about enhanced TV schedules, but in fact it's been getting a lot worse and less... Also, it is less and less live-matches, mostly just repeats. Too bad. :(

Duramont
Mar 20th, 2009, 01:55 PM
First WTA cancels several big events like Antwerp, Berlin, Zurich with great coverage during whole week and the events which are broadcasted rarely have live coverage for more than one quarterfinal and often only a recoverage of one semifinal hours later. :o

The new roadmap definitely means less live tennis especially for Europe.

BuTtErFrEnA
Mar 20th, 2009, 02:48 PM
Replays of football matches are more interesting apparently. Eurosport becomes more of a joke with every passing year.

i dont think its ES...it's larry scott and this stupid "make people pay for tennis tv"

aezzei
Mar 20th, 2009, 03:52 PM
Maybe because they are now the weakest Semi-finalists in decades:shrug:

I don't think so

tennnisfannn
Mar 20th, 2009, 04:21 PM
Maybe because they are now the weakest Semi-finalists in decades:shrug:
The TV scheduling was out long before the first ball was struck at IW, don't kid yourself, no one is greater than the tour itself.

Jorn
Mar 20th, 2009, 04:32 PM
They have shown all night matches on the ES players, so i think they show the Ana SF match tonight, and again tomorrow delayed.

They should have played at 11:00 as ES has Live boxing on tonight...

TheBoiledEgg
Mar 20th, 2009, 04:33 PM
doesnt say on ES Player schedule that they gonna show SF :( :o

volta
Mar 20th, 2009, 04:40 PM
i almost collapsed when i saw that ES will not show any matches :o

worse then that is that it's really HARD to get a freaking live stream so i guess i'll miss the semis :o pathetic , not even ES2 is showing the matches

Patrick345
Mar 20th, 2009, 04:53 PM
:fiery::fiery::fiery:

M.P
Mar 20th, 2009, 05:41 PM
becoz WTA showed all the matches in tennisTV

schorsch
Mar 20th, 2009, 05:59 PM
it doesnt make any sense that tennistv is the reason giving that most people in europe arent allowed to watch wta on tennistv.

gmak
Mar 20th, 2009, 06:08 PM
:mad: :fiery: :mad: :(

Louis Cyphre
Mar 20th, 2009, 07:05 PM
its ridiculous :fiery:

Is there any livestream for the first match :scratch:

Tennis Ball
Mar 20th, 2009, 08:43 PM
I'm kind of happy this thread has been posted. I'm wondering myself what's going on these couple of last years. Since 2006 it's getting more ridiculous every year :fiery: :rolleyes:. I remember when in 2005, the least they showed was from TII QF, at Thursdays, onwards. And TI from the start. :lick: :bounce: :bounce:
Last year I thought it almost couldn't get worse :fiery: :o. But now :fiery: :fiery: :mad: :mad: :o :o
I don't understand why. ES, at least explain! :confused:

edit: O, and btw, wtaworld, bring back vbookie too! Scott & co have no legal right whatsoever to forbid VIRTUAL (fGs) betting on someone else's ! site.

anon57
Mar 20th, 2009, 08:51 PM
:fiery:Why can't the rights to show tournaments live be sold in one package. TennisTV doesn't show all rounds for European viewers and now ES player which was showing the earlier rounds most of this week won't have the semi's, I don't feel like paying several different subscriptions to be able to follow matches:mad::banghead:.

rucolo
Mar 21st, 2009, 12:35 AM
It is really bad, coverage has been getting worse and worse. For years they've been talking about enhanced TV schedules, but in fact it's been getting a lot worse and less... Also, it is less and less live-matches, mostly just replies. Too bad. :(

True.:o:(
And the repeats are (almost always) much shorter than the match actually was.:o:help:
Live-matches are so much more interesting!!

rucolo
Mar 21st, 2009, 12:43 AM
First WTA cancels several big events like Antwerp, Berlin, Zurich with great coverage during whole week and the events which are broadcasted rarely have live coverage for more than one quarterfinal and often only a recoverage of one semifinal hours later. :o

The new roadmap definitely means less live tennis especially for Europe.

I agree.
The new roadmap "killed" important parts of European tennis!!:fiery::(

TheBoiledEgg
Mar 21st, 2009, 03:33 AM
Eurosport Player is showing this :) :D

doujyr
Mar 22nd, 2009, 11:50 AM
ES player did indeed show the 2nd semifinal, but not the 1st. Go figure!??!?

The argument about tennistv misses the point - Europe is blocked from subscribing to tennistv.

Wolkenvanger
Mar 22nd, 2009, 12:02 PM
Yesterday I saw a compressed coverage of both SF's - wtf?! -, while on Friday they showed boxing or wrestling matches at the time the first SF was played. As if anyone ever watches boxing or wrestling matches on tv... This is just such a disappointment. :(

Corswandt
Mar 22nd, 2009, 01:02 PM
As if anyone ever watches boxing or wrestling matches on tv...(

I wouldn't be so sure. Some of the cringeworthy novelty crap ES shows they do so because the sponsors/organizers pay to get some TV coverage (curling does it openly, and I assume some other sports do the same but under the table). But others, like winter sports, apparently get higher ratings than tennis in barbarian countries. I know it's difficult to believe, but it seems so.

Anyway, there is no doubt that ES now sees women's tennis merely as a way to plug holes in their regular programming of snooker, darts, lacrosse and chav magnet crap such as wrestling, and treats tennis overall much more shabbily than the local sports TV channel. I can't wait for ES's exclusive to expire in 2011.

doujyr
Mar 22nd, 2009, 01:07 PM
I repeat what I said at the start of the thread - I wonder if it's a USA thing? ES do cover the European events quite well, and they did show a lot of Montreal last summer. But it seems to be the USA events that have very poor coverage the last couple of years. Maybe there's something going on there.

mk27
Mar 22nd, 2009, 03:02 PM
I wouldn't be so sure. Some of the cringeworthy novelty crap ES shows they do so because the sponsors/organizers pay to get some TV coverage (curling does it openly, and I assume some other sports do the same but under the table). But others, like winter sports, apparently get higher ratings than tennis in barbarian countries. I know it's difficult to believe, but it seems so.


Here in Germany, winter sport has much higher ratings than tennis. So it seems that the tennis ratings for Europe are going down on Eurosport. And that means less coverage, especially in the evening.

johnoo
Mar 22nd, 2009, 03:29 PM
ES shows they do so because the sponsors/organizers pay to get some TV coverage But others, like winter sports, apparently get higher ratings than tennis in barbarian countries. I know it's difficult to believe, but it seems so.

I can't wait for ES's exclusive to expire in 2011.

You can't tell me the wta/sony did not pay ES to broadcast all that tennis in 2006? it was like the tennis channel there was so much,and anyway the wta must have more money than curling if they want to buy tennis on tv.
Your second point on winter sports,why bother having a different ES if you don't use it to give relevant sports to countries,all this ski jumping etc is just not relevant to the uk,we get very little snow and don't have any competitors in these winter sports,whats the point? ok for people in norway/sweden but nobody has the slightest interest in the uk,total waste of tv time(as I have no doubt snooker is too some countries).
And plese tell me where else the wta tennis will go after 2011 if not eurosport? I can only speak for the uk but sky/bbc/itv etc won't be interested,maybe setanta sports if they get though the current crisis they are in.

volta
Mar 22nd, 2009, 03:45 PM
i am afraid of the Miami coverage now :o

crazillo
Mar 22nd, 2009, 03:46 PM
It's getting less, but I actually expected ES to shift more coverage to ES 2, but in fact they haven't done so.

They will still stick with each other. It is much easier for the WTA tour to have a contract with a Europe-wide tv channel such as ES than negotiating with each single member of the EU itself and their national sports channels.

volta
Mar 22nd, 2009, 03:48 PM
It's getting less, but I actually expected ES to shift more coverage to ES 2, but in fact they haven't done so.

They will still stick with each other. It is much easier for the WTA tour to have a contract with a Europe-wide tv channel such as ES than negotiating with each single member of the EU itself and their national sports channels.

in the beginning it used to be like that , matches that weren't broadcasted on ES1 could be watched on ES2 but now it's just a disaster

~Cherry*Blossom~
Mar 22nd, 2009, 03:59 PM
God please don't give the rights to Setanta. It's the only sports channel I don't get and I don't want to subsribe to it!

If ES doesn't renew it's deal with the WTA after 2011 I could see Sky showing just the premier 5 and mandatories and their claim as the home of tennis can actually be true. But the WTA will most likely have to accept a lower deal from Sky for that to happen. The BBC and ITV won't go near it.

Corswandt
Mar 22nd, 2009, 04:20 PM
Here in Germany, winter sport has much higher ratings than tennis.

Winter sports are so random. It's just a bunch of people skiing. I suppose it's relaxing to watch, since absolutely nothing is happening 99% of the time. I could live with tennis being superseded by football, or basketball, or maybe even top tier motor sports, but people in funny hats skiing?

Golf is a huge threat as it aims squarely at the same market segment (upper middle class, or perhaps more accurately upper middle class wannabes), but it's probably more of an issue in the US than in Yoorup.

You can't tell me the wta/sony did not pay ES to broadcast all that tennis in 2006? it was like the tennis channel there was so much

I don't think there's that much less tennis coverage on ES than there was 3 years ago. The coverage of non-European events was always woeful. There's probably less live coverage and more 60 min highlight packs now, but that's mostly because ES's programming as a whole is relying in increasingly shorter blocks of several disparate sports, presumably in a desperate attempt to please everyone - and, of course, pleasing nobody in the end.

But anyway, the WTA/Sony Ericsson wouldn't have to pay ES back then. You should remember that the top players of 2006, besides Sharapova, were Mauresmo, Henin and Clijsters. Two of them French speakers (appealing to one of ES's core markets). Remember also that Schnyder was still a top 10 player, and ALG was at her ranking peak (appealing to the remaining core market of ES, German-speaking audiences). I'm still traumatized at being force fed so many of Schnyder's tank jobs and ALG's horror shows in those days.

You're correct of course in that the loss of Sony Ericsson as a sponsor of women's tennis broadcasts has made it less of a priority for ES.

anyway the wta must have more money than curling if they want to buy tennis on tv.

Does it? The WTA has buried itself in debt to finance its own expansion - at the worst possible time.

Your second point on winter sports,why bother having a different ES if you don't use it to give relevant sports to countries,all this ski jumping etc is just not relevant to the uk,we get very little snow and don't have any competitors in these winter sports,whats the point? ok for people in norway/sweden but nobody has the slightest interest in the uk,total waste of tv time(as I have no doubt snooker is too some countries).

Totally. ES Portugal wouldn't show 80% of the novelty crap that fills ES these days. Then again it would probably show much more wrestling. :help:

BTW I remember the constant, almost desperate appeals of ES's Portuguese website and even the commentators of other sports asking for people to step forward and commentate on winter sports, qualifications be damned, since apparently they could find nobody interested in doing so. :lol:

And plese tell me where else the wta tennis will go after 2011 if not eurosport? I can only speak for the uk but sky/bbc/itv etc won't be interested,maybe setanta sports if they get though the current crisis they are in.

SportTV - local subscriber-only sports channel. It picked up the ATP 500 Series rights, which included some events ES used to broadcast, to go alongside the Wimbledon and ATP TMS (now ATP 1000) rights they already owned. Their coverage isn't perfect, but they'd never use tennis as filler the way ES does. Of course the WTA would have to play second fiddle to all the ATP they already show, but with 3 channels that wouldn't be as much of a problem as it may seem. They broadcasted live and in full the recent France vs Italy Fed Cup tie, including the dead rubbers, and this in a weekend, when most football matches are played. ES has 2 channels and no football, yet they still cut away from RG (RG!) to show the Giro d'Italia. :help:

mk27
Mar 22nd, 2009, 04:34 PM
Winter sports are so random. It's just a bunch of people skiing. I suppose it's relaxing to watch, since absolutely nothing is happening 99% of the time. I could live with tennis being superseded by football, or basketball, or maybe even top tier motor sports, but people in funny hats skiing?

But biathlon gets more than 4 or 5 million viewers here in Germany, where tennis has problems to get even 1 million viewers.

The problem is, no top german player, no interest in tennis.

Besides from Eurosport, there is no WTA coverage in Germany. Even Stuttgart gets no tv coverage of our local stations.

doujyr
Mar 22nd, 2009, 04:55 PM
I don't think there's that much less tennis coverage on ES than there was 3 years ago. The coverage of non-European events was always woeful.

Not sure I'd agree with that. I seem to recall getting good coverage of IW, Miami, Charleston, Amelia Island, Stanford, LA, and San Diego in the past, particularly remember LA. But there's been little in the last 2 years. And as I said before, there was a lot of coverage of Montreal. Not sure about the Far East tournaments, but there's reasonable coverage of those now. Still think it's a USA thing (sorry to go on about that! :lol: )