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danieln1
Mar 19th, 2009, 06:51 AM
Thanks to her Safina won´t be number one for the next two weeks... please, even Jankovic is better than Safina now, she played like shit today, so far from the number 1!

Butterfly14
Mar 19th, 2009, 06:57 AM
Wow..This is so lame

doni1212
Mar 19th, 2009, 07:01 AM
Thanks to her Safina won´t be number one for the next two weeks... please, even Jankovic is better than Safina now, she played like shit today, so far from the number 1!

Are you kidding me?!!!
Who is just now leaving after her QF match and a 3rd set exit and who left like last week in 2 straight sets in her 1st match.
WOW, just WOW....:help:

At least Dinara was playing and being aggressive. Jankovic...I can't even begin to start on...

BuTtErFrEnA
Mar 19th, 2009, 07:01 AM
:lol:

Pasta-Na
Mar 19th, 2009, 07:01 AM
pls lose in the early rd at miami too, safina. :p

aezzei
Mar 19th, 2009, 07:06 AM
No comment

danieln1
Mar 19th, 2009, 07:07 AM
pls lose in the early rd at miami too, safina. :p

:haha: it would be great, so SERENA could be more weeks at the top, where she belongs...

Wojtek
Mar 19th, 2009, 07:09 AM
Idiotic thread.

Is it Safina fault that Serena isn't playing full schedule so get a life

Pasta-Na
Mar 19th, 2009, 07:10 AM
:haha: it would be great, so SERENA could be more weeks at the top, where she belongs...

safinas a lot of pts to defend very soon. :devil:

Koon
Mar 19th, 2009, 07:12 AM
Serena has to defend lots of points in Miami :crying2:

danieln1
Mar 19th, 2009, 07:15 AM
Serena has to defend lots of points in Miami :crying2:

Miami is Serena´s backyard tournament, so she´ll have no trouble defending her points... unless her sister faces her in the quarters or semis! :devil:

Nikkiri
Mar 19th, 2009, 07:37 AM
http://failblog.files.wordpress.com/2008/02/floppyfail.jpg

LudwigDvorak
Mar 19th, 2009, 07:38 AM
Funny. I remember when Dinara Safina saved the WTA from Jelena Jankovic during LA last year. Now someone is having to save the WTA from her.

What's funnier is that, just like then, the inevitable is only being delayed a further two, maybe three, weeks.

Pasta-Na
Mar 19th, 2009, 07:41 AM
Funny. I remember when Dinara Safina saved the WTA from Jelena Jankovic during LA last year. Now someone is having to save the WTA from her.

What's funnier is that, just like then, the inevitable is only being delayed a further two, maybe three, weeks.

she might keep losing in r1s and r2s. :devil: :p

Wojtek
Mar 19th, 2009, 07:43 AM
Miami is Serena´s backyard tournament, so she´ll have no trouble defending her points... unless her sister faces her in the quarters or semis! :devil:

or she will withdraw before her match against Dementieva :haha:

iGOAT
Mar 19th, 2009, 07:51 AM
I THINK Safina only needs to make the semifinals in Miami to be number one.

Slutiana
Mar 19th, 2009, 08:36 AM
Nope, her with a chance of winning will kill the wta anyway. :shrug:

lilimi
Mar 19th, 2009, 08:50 AM
safina deserves to be n°1 one because she had the best results in 2008. she was the player to beat for almost 6 months.

Lin Lin
Mar 19th, 2009, 08:52 AM
:help:

Slammer7
Mar 19th, 2009, 09:03 AM
safina deserves to be n°1 one because she had the best results in 2008. she was the player to beat for almost 6 months.

Did she win a major while I wasn't looking? Has she won a tournament the last 5 months? She was the player to beat the last 6 months and she definitely got beat.

by Dementieva at the Olympics
by Serena at the U.S Open
by Venus in Stuttgart
by Zvonareva in Moscow
by Venus in the YEC
by Serena in the YEC
by Dementieva in the YEC
by Cibulkova in the Hopman Cup Final
by Dementieva in Sydney
by Serena at the Australian Open
by Virginie Razzano in Dubai

Oh yeah she has been the player to beat all right.:lol::wavey:

SIN DIOS NI LEY
Mar 19th, 2009, 09:05 AM
Did she win a major while I wasn't looking? Has she won a tournament the last 5 months? She was the player to beat the last 6 months and she definitely got beat.

by Dementieva at the Olympics
by Serena at the U.S Open
by Venus in Stuttgart
by Zvonareva in Moscow
by Venus in the YEC
by Serena in the YEC
by Dementieva in the YEC
by Cibulkova in the Hopman Cup Final
by Dementieva in Sydney
by Serena at the Australian Open
by Virginie Razzano in Dubai

Oh yeah she has been the player to beat all right.:lol::wavey:


:D

BuTtErFrEnA
Mar 19th, 2009, 09:15 AM
safina deserves to be n°1 one because she had the best results in 2008. she was the player to beat for almost 6 months.

:weirdo: which 6 months in what year???

lilimi
Mar 19th, 2009, 09:47 AM
Did she win a major while I wasn't looking? Has she won a tournament the last 5 months? She was the player to beat the last 6 months and she definitely got beat.

by Dementieva at the Olympics
by Serena at the U.S Open
by Venus in Stuttgart
by Zvonareva in Moscow
by Venus in the YEC
by Serena in the YEC
by Dementieva in the YEC
by Cibulkova in the Hopman Cup Final
by Dementieva in Sydney
by Serena at the Australian Open
by Virginie Razzano in Dubai

Oh yeah she has been the player to beat all right.:lol::wavey:
each player has to be beaten one day.
i'm talking about last year, after henin retired. while people were complaing about the "mess" in wta, dinara was the cornerstone of the tour.
i don't say dinara must absolutely be n°1, but is she becomes n°1, she will deserve it.
and concerning the Olympics final, i think Dinara would have won it if she hadn't been scheduled at inhuman hours.
The reason why she hasn't won a title over the last month is a consequence of a long streak of great results.

May
Berlin - WINNER
June
French Open - FINALIST
s'Hertogenbosh - FINALIST
July
LA - WINNER
August
Montréal - WINNER
Olympics - Finalist
September
USO - Semi-finalist
Tokyo - Winner
October
Moscow - Semi-finalist

she got these results because she was the only player in the draw.

DOUBLEFIST
Mar 19th, 2009, 09:47 AM
Serena has to defend lots of points in Miami :crying2:

Don't sweat. Serena ALWAYS has to defend lots of points in Miami ;)

Ellen Dawson
Mar 19th, 2009, 09:56 AM
Wow..This is so lame

and mean but tennis fans gotta vent, too. :angel:

sammy01
Mar 19th, 2009, 09:57 AM
as much as im happy safina wont be number 1 next week (though i think its only delayed unfortunately) vika hasn't saved the wta its still a mess. i've watched 4 live matches this week on british eurosport all have been dire. UE sprayed all over the place, hitting 8+ df's and winning a match in straights has become the norm. each tournament say 2 or 3 of the top players play ok/well the others suck, so we aren't getting the top players playing each other in the qtrs and onwards like is supposed to happen with the road map.

don't be fooled by safina not being numbver 1 that the game is in any sort of positive shape, its still on the edge of becoming a complete laughing stock.

OsloErik
Mar 19th, 2009, 11:45 AM
she might keep losing in r1s and r2s. :devil: :p

She would have to start losing in 1st and 2nd rounds. Aside from Razzano (first match post AO beatdown, plus a dangerous player) she hasn't lost a first round "open" (i.e. NOT YEC) match since last year before Berlin. And this was her 3rd or 4th match, right?

OsloErik
Mar 19th, 2009, 11:52 AM
Oh yeah she has been the player to beat all right.:lol::wavey:

From a literal standpoint, yes. She has been the player each tournament that the champion has had to beat to win their title. Since Berlin, Safina has won the title or lost to the eventual champion in 12 of 15 events. The three "bad" losses were to Peer on grass (okay, that IS bad), Zvonareva in Moscow, and Razzano in Safina's first match after her AO crushing.

That means she has been THE PLAYER to beat at the end of a tournament. She's either a finalist or the strongest remaining semifinalist, and beating her is the final important step for most of her opponents to win the title.

crazillo
Mar 19th, 2009, 12:24 PM
Go Azarenka, thanx!!

Sammm
Mar 19th, 2009, 12:44 PM
Idiotic thread.

Is it Safina fault that Serena isn't playing full schedule so get a life


Serena played 15 events in the last year; that's almost a full schedule :)

Ciarán
Mar 19th, 2009, 12:47 PM
:o

Cp6uja
Mar 19th, 2009, 12:59 PM
From another thread:
Here is part about #1 scenarios only:


AFTER MIAMI:
9871 Dinara Safina W
9571 Dinara Safina F
9432 Serena Williams W
9321 Dinara Safina SF
9132 Serena Williams F
9121 Dinara Safina QF
9011 Dinara Safina R16
8951 Dinara Safina R32
8882 Serena Williams SF
8876 Dinara Safina R64



AFTER CHARLESTON:
9871 Dinara Safina - W
9571 Dinara Safina - F
9321 Dinara Safina - SF
9121 Dinara Safina - QF
9042 Serena Williams - W & w
9011 Dinara Safina - R16
8951 Dinara Safina - R32
8892 Serena Williams - W & f
8876 Dinara Safina - R64
IMPORTANT NOTE: Safina will not compete in Charleston, but 2009 Charleston title will worth 470pts instead 860pts from 2008.

So Safina chances to overtake Serena seems right now about 30% after Miami and about 90% after Charleston.
Vika yesterday more helps Serena for her eventual comeback at #1 already sometime in May, than prevent her to lose #1.
Safina chances to become 19th #1 player in WTA history seems very good in April and that will be for the first time in tennis history that players from same family (brother and sister in this case) reach #1 spot in both competition - ATP and WTA.

Noctis
Mar 19th, 2009, 01:04 PM
Did she win a major while I wasn't looking? Has she won a tournament the last 5 months? She was the player to beat the last 6 months and she definitely got beat.

by Dementieva at the Olympics
by Serena at the U.S Open
by Venus in Stuttgart
by Zvonareva in Moscow
by Venus in the YEC
by Serena in the YEC
by Dementieva in the YEC
by Cibulkova in the Hopman Cup Final
by Dementieva in Sydney
by Serena at the Australian Open
by Virginie Razzano in Dubai

Oh yeah she has been the player to beat all right.:lol::wavey:

you couldnt even score a poinnt against them to Shapup:tape:

AcesHigh
Mar 19th, 2009, 01:08 PM
This thread is so pathetic and so are the people wishing she loses so she wont be #1.

Kovalchuk
Mar 19th, 2009, 01:34 PM
So maybe next year, we will have another heroine saving WTA by beating Azarenka

Duramont
Mar 19th, 2009, 01:41 PM
Safina chances to become 19th #1 player in WTA history seems very good in April and that will be for the first time in tennis history that players from same family (brother and sister in this case) reach #1 spot in both competition - ATP and WTA.

That's just a fairytale like story that a brother and his sister get to number one in ATP and WTA.
I hope it will come true. :D

:rolleyes: @ all the usual whiners

Dinayer
Mar 19th, 2009, 01:42 PM
anyways, my girl will be the #1 soon, take that :hearts:

goldenlox
Mar 19th, 2009, 01:44 PM
Same thing in Miami, right? If Dinara makes the final, she #1, unles Serena loses early.
It's actually a fun chase and makes Dinara's matches compelling

TennisViewer531
Mar 19th, 2009, 01:54 PM
Vika is really doing well...

Matt01
Mar 19th, 2009, 02:08 PM
Serena played 15 events in the last year; that's almost a full schedule :)


Then maybe Serena is simply not as good as her deluded fans make her out be be when she loses the #1 ranking to a "bad" player like Safina despite playing (an almost) full schedule...

slamchamp
Mar 19th, 2009, 02:13 PM
anyways, my girl will be the #1 soon, take that :hearts:
do u really want that?? have you seen her play? the wta will look like a joke:o

Lucemferre
Mar 19th, 2009, 02:22 PM
Then maybe Serena is simply not as good as her deluded fans make her out be be when she loses the #1 ranking to a "bad" player like Safina despite playing (an almost) full schedule...

She is much better than Justine. That should comfort you :sport:

améliemomo
Mar 19th, 2009, 02:22 PM
do u really want that?? have you seen her play? the wta will look like a joke:o

well its already quite the case actually:p

Lucemferre
Mar 19th, 2009, 02:23 PM
well its already quite the case actually:p

Actually it was more of the case when Mauresmo was winning two majors in one year :tape: :lol:

tae04
Mar 19th, 2009, 02:25 PM
Safina will only end up #1 a matter of weeks anyway, after the Clay season. Im sure she'll drop back to #2.

Matt01
Mar 19th, 2009, 02:25 PM
She is much better than Justine. That should comfort you :sport:


No, she isn't. And what does Justine have to do with this thread anyway? :weirdo:

Dawson.
Mar 19th, 2009, 02:26 PM
Vika :worship: All we need now is for Safina to draw Razzano in round 2 of Miami and for Serena to win her next 5 tournaments :rocker2: Its so ridiculous how soemone so close to being number 1 failed to win this event despite its weak ass draw.

Unfortunatley though I think Vika has just delayed the inevitable. When Serena's points come off, Safina will no doubt be #1 for a few weeks by default almost :( It's sad too because the last two times Serena has become #1, she did it by winning a Grand Slam and didn't have to rely on anyone else's results :mad:

Lucemferre
Mar 19th, 2009, 02:27 PM
No, she isn't. And what does Justine have to do with this thread anyway? :weirdo:

:awww: She is, stop crying.

AcesHigh
Mar 19th, 2009, 02:29 PM
Actually it was more of the case when Mauresmo was winning two majors in one year :tape: :lol:

Actually, the tour was stronger then with a healthy and motivated Justine and a healthy and dominant Maria.

HRHoliviasmith
Mar 19th, 2009, 02:30 PM
honk, honk...move out of the way, bandwagon coming through.

Ellery
Mar 19th, 2009, 02:31 PM
"Enough with the if X becomes number 1, the WTA is doomed" crap :help: The number 1 could be Brie Whitehead for all that I care, as long as she has earned more pts than everyone else.

It's not her fault Venus and Serena don't play enough tournaments to overtake her in points, and even if she gets to number 1, she most likely won't stay there for too long.

kman
Mar 19th, 2009, 02:34 PM
Last year when Caroline was kicking Vika's butt, Vika was "so overrated". Now, a few months later, she's all of a sudden "better than Justine" and "WTA's savior". Haha, slow down folks.

EDIT: Eh nevermind, "better than Justine" comment was aimed at Serena, not Vika, my bad...

BuTtErFrEnA
Mar 19th, 2009, 02:34 PM
This thread is so pathetic and so are the people wishing she loses so she wont be #1.

do you even understand what a sport is all about??? you're pathetic for always thinking you're so much better than everyone here :rolleyes: in what sport do you see people wishing that their opposition would win :rolleyes: i suggest you do like Michael Jackson and take a look at the man in the mirror :o

HRHoliviasmith
Mar 19th, 2009, 02:35 PM
"Enough with the if X becomes number 1, the WTA is doomed" crap :help: The number 1 could be Brie Whitehead for all that I care, as long as she has earned more pts than everyone else.

It's not her fault Venus and Serena don't play enough tournaments to overtake her in points, and even if she gets to number 1, she most likely won't stay there for too long.


THANK YOU.

Noctis
Mar 19th, 2009, 02:40 PM
Save What from a disease? a virus? a economic crisis? :help:

Lucemferre
Mar 19th, 2009, 02:40 PM
do you even understand what a sport is all about??? you're pathetic for always thinking you're so much better than everyone here :rolleyes: in what sport do you see people wishing that their opposition would win :rolleyes: i suggest you do like Michael Jackson and take a look at the man in the mirror :o

:haha::worship:

Matt01
Mar 19th, 2009, 02:44 PM
Unfortunatley though I think Vika has just delayed the inevitable. When Serena's points come off, Safina will no doubt be #1 for a few weeks by default almost :( It's sad too because the last two times Serena has become #1, she did it by winning a Grand Slam and didn't have to rely on anyone else's results :mad:


Safina didn't need to rely on anyone else's results, either. If she gets the #1 ranking eventually (and she most like will get there), she got there by reaching several Slam finals and by winning several big Tier I tournaments.


:awww: She is, stop crying.


I'm not crying. I'm just pushing the trolls back to their places.

Lucemferre
Mar 19th, 2009, 02:50 PM
I'm not crying. I'm just pushing the trolls back to their places.

Good. When will you push yourself back to your place?

frenchie
Mar 19th, 2009, 02:50 PM
Safina will get there after Charleston most probably anyway

Matt01
Mar 19th, 2009, 02:50 PM
do you even understand what a sport is all about???


I think you don't understand, because wishing someone else to fail has nothing to do with sports or sportsmanship behaviour. :wavey:

Matt01
Mar 19th, 2009, 02:51 PM
Good. When will you push yourself back to your place?


Well, unlike you, I'm not a troll :lol:

The Dawntreader
Mar 19th, 2009, 02:51 PM
I'm not into all this bashing the WTA, it's totally unwarranted.

The WTA is in a state of ADAPTATION, not CRISIS!

With Justine retiring so suddenly, you were bound to get some anonmalies. However to say the tour sucks in general is just stupid.

дalex
Mar 19th, 2009, 02:59 PM
GeT iT TOgeTheR!

These threads are only popular when they're about JJ. :inlove:

Ellery
Mar 19th, 2009, 03:02 PM
GeT iT TOgeTheR!

These threads are only popular when they're about JJ. :inlove:

:inlove:

Galsen
Mar 19th, 2009, 04:13 PM
I'll talk like a hater but she saved Serena 2 times this year :o:worship:

OsloErik
Mar 19th, 2009, 04:54 PM
do you even understand what a sport is all about??? you're pathetic for always thinking you're so much better than everyone here :rolleyes: in what sport do you see people wishing that their opposition would win :rolleyes: i suggest you do like Michael Jackson and take a look at the man in the mirror :o

How many people on here are fans of Victoria Azarenka? How many are fans of Razzano (response to the folks hoping Safina draws Razzano early at Miami and loses)? There's hoping your favorite beats the opposition, and then there's hoping your opposition (i.e. the top players) lose early. One is positive, the other negative.

BuTtErFrEnA
Mar 19th, 2009, 05:09 PM
I think you don't understand, because wishing someone else to fail has nothing to do with sports or sportsmanship behaviour. :wavey:

i'm sure Liverpool always wishes Man. U wins or vice versa
i'm sure Real Madrid always wishes Barcelona would win
i'm sure Inter Milan always wishes Juventus would win
i'm sure Bayern Munchen always wishes Bremen would win
i'm sure Tiger Woods always wishes Singh would win


being a sportsman has nothing to do with wishing your opponent will win....sports is all about hoping you win everything and that means everyone else losing :wavey: you people obviously have the wrong concept about sports....

but then again that's why whenever serena (or insert any top player you don't like) loses there's always a big 25 page thread on this forum because all of you are generally not wanting her to lose and are simply wishing her the best :weirdo:

BuTtErFrEnA
Mar 19th, 2009, 05:13 PM
How many people on here are fans of Victoria Azarenka? How many are fans of Razzano (response to the folks hoping Safina draws Razzano early at Miami and loses)? There's hoping your favorite beats the opposition, and then there's hoping your opposition (i.e. the top players) lose early. One is positive, the other negative.

what does it matter :shrug: it's sports...all the high and mighty people in here talking about how pathetic it is to wish that safina loses so that she doesn't become #1 have cheered on someone else beating a threat to their fave in a draw....

i'm sure if CSN ends up in Venus' section of a draw especially on clay that the venus fans won't be crying a river if she loses before a potential match up....

most people on here who don't like seeing maria, serena, venus, jj beat their faves are always bandwaggoning if any of them are knocked out early in a draw...that's what sport is all about....

slamchamp
Mar 19th, 2009, 05:44 PM
Well, unlike you, I'm not a troll :lol:
:haha: :haha:

danieln1
Mar 19th, 2009, 06:41 PM
Well, unlike you, I'm not a troll :lol:

Oh no, you´re the most correct poster in this forum, give me a break... :haha: :haha:
I agree with the other poster that said that these threads were only fun when JJ was to becone the number 1! :haha: :haha:

Yonexforever
Mar 19th, 2009, 06:45 PM
Did she win a major while I wasn't looking? Has she won a tournament the last 5 months? She was the player to beat the last 6 months and she definitely got beat.

by Dementieva at the Olympics
by Serena at the U.S Open
by Venus in Stuttgart
by Zvonareva in Moscow
by Venus in the YEC
by Serena in the YEC
by Dementieva in the YEC
by Cibulkova in the Hopman Cup Final
by Dementieva in Sydney
by Serena at the Australian Open
by Virginie Razzano in Dubai

Oh yeah she has been the player to beat all right.:lol::wavey:

Way to HAMMER that point home!!
I couldnt have said it better myself!
:worship:
:worship:

Yonexforever
Mar 19th, 2009, 06:49 PM
The WTA REALLY needs to address the weight thats given to playing all these tournaments and being consistent vis a vis WINNING slams.
Serena should NOT be about to be toppled by Safina.
She has been in the finals of the last 3 slams and won the last two includign a DEMOLITION of Sanifa in Australia, but now Serena could lose the No1 spot eventhough Safina has NO slams to speak of.

Br'er Rabbit
Mar 19th, 2009, 07:57 PM
do you even understand what a sport is all about??? you're pathetic for always thinking you're so much better than everyone here :rolleyes: in what sport do you see people wishing that their opposition would win :rolleyes: i suggest you do like Michael Jackson and take a look at the man in the mirror :o

:worship: Hands down best post in this thread and its so true. If he/she wants to act like this perfect saint that judges everyone, then competitive sports isn't their thing.

Olórin
Mar 19th, 2009, 08:04 PM
I'll want whoever I want to win whenever I choose, and
I'll want whoever I want to lose whenever I choose.

That's my prerogative, it by no means as an impact on anyone else whatsoever, and there's nothing wrong with it :shrug:

Effy
Mar 19th, 2009, 08:07 PM
well at least Dinara is close to being number one unlike Azarenka :)

Olórin
Mar 19th, 2009, 08:14 PM
I think you don't understand, because wishing someone else to fail has nothing to do with sports or sportsmanship behaviour. :wavey:

Losing a match is not failing...drama queen extraordinaire.

Matt01
Mar 19th, 2009, 09:41 PM
Losing a match is not failing...drama queen extraordinaire.


Obviously I meant "failing" in the sense of "losing". :rolleyes:

Next!

Matt01
Mar 19th, 2009, 09:41 PM
you people obviously have the wrong concept about sports....


No, it's you who doesn't have a clue what sports and sportsmanship is about.

Next!

Craig.
Mar 19th, 2009, 09:42 PM
She sure does. :worship:

Craig.
Mar 19th, 2009, 09:45 PM
Well, unlike you, I'm not a troll :lol:

:spit:

Matt01
Mar 19th, 2009, 09:56 PM
:spit:


Normally I'd give you a fittingly nasty comment back or would at least bad rep you, but since you are a Pova fan who doesn't anything to laugh about these days, I only feel sorry for you :hug:

BuTtErFrEnA
Mar 19th, 2009, 10:39 PM
No, it's you who doesn't have a clue what sports and sportsmanship is about.

Next!

well then i hope i see no bad comments about maria, serena or venus coming from you then...since you know that's not what sports is about :rolleyes:

Craig.
Mar 19th, 2009, 10:40 PM
Normally I'd give you a fittingly nasty comment back or would at least bad rep you, but since you are a Pova fan who doesn't anything to laugh about these days, I only feel sorry for you :hug:

:weirdo:

ONCE AGAIN:

:spit:

OsloErik
Mar 19th, 2009, 11:14 PM
I guess we've come to the great debate again: are you a fan of tennis or a tennis fan of a player? There's nothing wrong with either approach, really, but a lot of these arguments break down along those lines.

I have a tendency to go with the Chris Evert line of ALWAYS cheering for the better player, and I don't mean the better player on that day, with one exception. I don't always THINK the favorite is going to win, but unless I really dislike the favorite (and among former top 5ers, that's rare) I never want them to lose before (and this is the exception) they run into a player I actively support (about 5 or 6 of those at a time). I'd rather Kuznetsova win a slam because she beats the best players of the generation, not because the best players fell early to flashes-in-pans. I prefer this situation because it makes the rivalries, and the sport, more compelling, makes every subsequent match-up more dramatic, and frankly makes for higher consistency tennis.

To wish upon Safina a lose to someone you don't actively support is just idiotic; people piss and moan about the state of the tour and then actively hope that top 5, top 3, nearly #1 players lose early to fanless players like Razzano? What on earth for? It's downright lazy fan-dom to want an easy road for your favorite; why be a fan of a player who has their ranking handed to them on a silver platter with weak opposition? It's much better for the tour AND for the player's legacy to have the best players of the generation facing each other frequently.

Example: Kuznetsova has a dreadful (and I mean DREADFUL) head-to-head against Henin. But I never wanted Henin to lose to Camille Pin (AO '04) or Meghann Shaughnessey (Dubai '04) or Ivanovic (Warsaw '05) or AMG (RG '05) or Schiavone (Dubai '06) or Clijsters (RG '06) or Daniliidou (Dubai '07) or Jankovic (Doha and Berlin '07), because I wouldn't be as pleased to see Kuznetsova play and win against someone lesser than Henin when she had a chance for glory against a better player. And in each of the cases I listed above, I actually like the player more than I like Henin. None of them was a true favorite of mine, but I certainly liked them more than Henin. But even though I disliked Henin, I wanted her to get deep enough for Kuznetsova to beat her. And even though it only worked out twice, I feel I witnessed superior tennis and gained more from that mentality.

So I suppose AcesHigh and I aren't trying to be high-and-mighty. We just have a different idea of what makes tennis exciting.

BuTtErFrEnA
Mar 19th, 2009, 11:31 PM
say A then say B olso :shrug: a fan of any sport will always follow the sport because a certain player drew them in...so obviously they cheer strongly for that person and strong against the main challenge to that player (most serena fans didn't like maria in 04, but then she grew on some for whatever reasons)...that's not a bad tennis fan, that's a sports fan in general...it's not like we're asking Safina to drop down and break her leg or something...

serena's AO 08 title doesn't mean any less to me just because henin wasn't in the draw, or masha, or because someone else couldn't step up and beat her.....and even if they were in the draw, one part of me will always be happy when my faves' biggest rivals get knocked out early, but one part of me will still wish it was my fave who did the beating...

in any sport you will find that fans are always gonna adopt the attitude that the "rival to your rival is your friend"...it's not unsportsmanlike of fans (didn't know fans had to be sportsmanlike but ok) for fans to wish that someone beats a player because it will favour your player...that's what sports is about :shrug: fair game...you're not wishing that something bad happens to her, you're wishing that something within the rules of basic tennis (i.e. one must win and one must lose) happens to her, namely, she must lose...

i as a real madrid fan have actively cheered for ANY barcelona opponent just so we can close the lead they have at the top of la liga, does that make me a bad fan of football??? i just want whatever will benefit my team but that doesn't make me any less of a fan of football than someone who is supposedly neutral..:shrug:

Emina.
Mar 20th, 2009, 12:06 AM
I'll want whoever I want to win whenever I choose, and
I'll want whoever I want to lose whenever I choose.

That's my prerogative, it by no means as an impact on anyone else whatsoever, and there's nothing wrong with it :shrug:

:worship:

Ellen Dawson
Mar 20th, 2009, 12:11 AM
I'm not into all this bashing the WTA, it's totally unwarranted.

The WTA is in a state of ADAPTATION, not CRISIS!

With Justine retiring so suddenly, you were bound to get some anonmalies. However to say the tour sucks in general is just stupid.

OK not sucks in general...how about..."the tour is LACKLUSTER in general"? Is that OK to say? I think it's fine. It doesn't diminish anyone's accomplishments but does express that that the WTA needs a shot in the arm. Alright? :wavey:

PizzaMan
Mar 20th, 2009, 12:21 AM
I don't think JJ is particularly better "#1" material than Safina. But JJ's already been a slamless #1, so if she attains that status again, it won't feel like as much an atrocity as Safina's attaining #1 status. :lol:

Matt01
Mar 20th, 2009, 12:30 AM
well then i hope i see no bad comments about maria, serena or venus coming from you then...since you know that's not what sports is about :rolleyes:


I never wish Maria or Venus before a match to do badly or to lose, even though they are not among my faves. There is a difference between cheering for a fave player and cheering against the opponent. The latter I find objectable.

Infiniti2001
Mar 20th, 2009, 07:14 AM
I never wish Maria or Venus before a match to do badly or to lose, even though they are not among my faves. There is a difference between cheering for a fave player and cheering against the opponent. The latter I find objectable.

Liar , liar ,pants on fire :rolleyes: --- yeah , it's more fun to act like an ass and rub her losses in her fans faces right? :help:

harloo
Mar 20th, 2009, 01:59 PM
The only people interested in Azarenka right now are some tennis fans on this board.:lol: In order for the WTA to be truly saved we need the top players to play at a high level consistently which rarely happens.:tape: If Azarenka continues to win expect the tour to hype her up as the next Nicole Vadisova or Maria Sharapova. Everyone will really start to see what she's made of once she replaces Maria as the "it" girl. That's when she'll be expected to win which brings a different kind of pressure. Right now, winning is a bit more easier for her.

Matt01
Mar 20th, 2009, 02:52 PM
it's more fun to act like an ass and rub her losses in her fans faces right? :help:


Yes, it is :D :bounce:

:lol:

Dawson.
Mar 20th, 2009, 06:20 PM
Safina didn't need to rely on anyone else's results, either. If she gets the #1 ranking eventually (and she most like will get there), she got there by reaching several Slam finals and by winning several big Tier I tournaments.

Match point at the USO: Serena Williams is on the verge of winning two things 1) Another Grand Slam Title, 2) The world number 1 ranking. Same situation at the Australian Open. Serena had a winning moment as far as her number 1 ranking goes - she earned it by winning the biggest events in the world. Safina will go to bed sunday night and wake up Monday morning as the new number 1. I think anyone who gets to #1 will prefer to earn it Serena's way.

miffedmax
Mar 20th, 2009, 07:54 PM
To save the WTA, Vika needs to...




grow bangs.

miffedmax
Mar 20th, 2009, 07:55 PM
And don't act like you didn't know it was coming.

Svetlana.
Mar 20th, 2009, 11:37 PM
This thread is so pathetic and so are the people wishing she loses so she wont be #1.

what do you expect? the times of real ladies and gentlemen is gone :o

Then maybe Serena is simply not as good as her deluded fans make her out be be when she loses the #1 ranking to a "bad" player like Safina despite playing (an almost) full schedule...

Matt's strike #1 :worship:

Actually, the tour was stronger then with a healthy and motivated Justine and a healthy and dominant Maria.

very true

honk, honk...move out of the way, bandwagon coming through.

:lol: :rolls:

Normally I'd give you a fittingly nasty comment back or would at least bad rep you, but since you are a Pova fan who doesn't anything to laugh about these days, I only feel sorry for you :hug:

Matt strikes with his clever sense of humor again :lol:

Ellery
Mar 20th, 2009, 11:39 PM
Mashona Washington saves the WTA :worship:

danieln1
Mar 21st, 2009, 01:39 AM
Match point at the USO: Serena Williams is on the verge of winning two things 1) Another Grand Slam Title, 2) The world number 1 ranking. Same situation at the Australian Open. Serena had a winning moment as far as her number 1 ranking goes - she earned it by winning the biggest events in the world. Safina will go to bed sunday night and wake up Monday morning as the new number 1. I think anyone who gets to #1 will prefer to earn it Serena's way.

:worship:
Great post!

LudwigDvorak
Mar 21st, 2009, 03:04 AM
OsloErik wrote a great post, and I'd just like to quickly acknowledge that. I like that type of thinking, and I mostly agree with it--most of my fellow Lena fans thought I was crazy for wanting Serena/Elena QF at the Olympics, I got it, and she won. If she hadn't beaten Serena but Svetlana or so instead, that title would mean much less to me than it does now that she did.

That said, when I dislike a player, like Safina or Ivanovic, I don't think I actively root against them so much (now, anyway) but just get tickled when they do lose to a lesser player. I would like to see Pavlyuchenkova win, but I'd rather Zvonareva win the title beating a former #1 and slam champion in the final than a 17-year-old nobody. It's something I struggle with, but I usually like the result in the end.

I definitely feel like one of the few not bothered by the state of the tour. I quite enjoy it. I've actually never enjoyed the tour more in my four years of actively following, even if I do dislike the Serbians, Safina, Wozniacki, Cibulkova and some of my long-time favorites (Hantuchova, Petrova, Mauresmo) aren't winning as much or as good as they used to be. There's always some kind of crazy surprise and the same players end up winning the slams anyway--it's just the tour level events that go heads up, and those don't matter anywhere near as much.

Ciarán
Mar 21st, 2009, 03:14 AM
Isn't it vulgar? :o

danieln1
Mar 29th, 2009, 07:04 PM
Now Serena just need to defend her title and be safe at the number 1 position for a few weeks!
Thank God Stosur didn´t choke this match

Dodoboy.
Mar 29th, 2009, 07:05 PM
Serena needs to save the WTA, Sam has just made it a bit easier.

danieln1
Mar 29th, 2009, 07:08 PM
Serena needs to save the WTA, Sam has just made it a bit easier.

Oh she will, and then I´ll change the thread title when she defends her title! :haha:

gmokb
Mar 29th, 2009, 07:14 PM
I don't know about saving the WTA but:bounce::bounce::bounce:

Galsen
Mar 29th, 2009, 07:15 PM
imagine if WS were retired:eek::eek::eek::tape:

IceHock
Mar 29th, 2009, 07:16 PM
this thread is pathetic, yeah root for the top players to play even worse than what they are, THAT'S just what the tour needs, not too mention Safina is one of the few real girls on tour, who cares if she gets number1, its a fucking number next to her name, if it bugs you don't look at the rankings, or if she gets it well just cry some more i guess.

Lulu.
Mar 29th, 2009, 07:17 PM
:dance:

Svetlana.
Mar 29th, 2009, 07:19 PM
people go to new low level

gmokb
Mar 29th, 2009, 07:27 PM
imagine if WS were retired:eek::eek::eek::tape:

:bigcry::bigcry::bigcry:

Elwin.
Mar 29th, 2009, 07:35 PM
Sam :bowdown:

Keadz
Mar 29th, 2009, 08:58 PM
Oh Samantha :)

Best win of her career!! and with it she does her little bit to SAVE THE WTA!

Best result of the year.

bobbynorwich
Mar 30th, 2009, 01:30 AM
I definitely feel like one of the few not bothered by the state of the tour. I quite enjoy it. I've actually never enjoyed the tour more in my four years of actively following, even if I do dislike the Serbians, Safina, Wozniacki, Cibulkova and some of my long-time favorites (Hantuchova, Petrova, Mauresmo) aren't winning as much or as good as they used to be. There's always some kind of crazy surprise and the same players end up winning the slams anyway--it's just the tour level events that go heads up, and those don't matter anywhere near as much.

Yes, I agree completely as don't see the tour needing to be "saved" in any way. But if it did, how could it possibly fall on the shoulders of Azarenka or Stosur?

southern star
Mar 30th, 2009, 01:46 AM
bobbynorwich: "Yes, I agree completely as don't see the tour needing to be "saved" in any way. But if it did, how could it possibly fall on the shoulders of Azarenka or Stosur?"

I'm taking it as some kind of running joke. For mine, the WTA is in the best shape it has seen in some years.


IceHock: "not too mention Safina is one of the few real girls on tour, "

So what are the rest of them? Imaginary?

Tennisstar86
Mar 30th, 2009, 01:55 AM
Serena still has to make the final......

Harvs
Mar 30th, 2009, 01:56 AM
:D

now hope serena makes the final. (although i want vee to be there:()

Midnight_Robber
Mar 30th, 2009, 01:56 AM
I guess we've come to the great debate again: are you a fan of tennis or a tennis fan of a player? There's nothing wrong with either approach, really, but a lot of these arguments break down along those lines.

I have a tendency to go with the Chris Evert line of ALWAYS cheering for the better player, and I don't mean the better player on that day, with one exception. I don't always THINK the favorite is going to win, but unless I really dislike the favorite (and among former top 5ers, that's rare) I never want them to lose before (and this is the exception) they run into a player I actively support (about 5 or 6 of those at a time). I'd rather Kuznetsova win a slam because she beats the best players of the generation, not because the best players fell early to flashes-in-pans. I prefer this situation because it makes the rivalries, and the sport, more compelling, makes every subsequent match-up more dramatic, and frankly makes for higher consistency tennis.

To wish upon Safina a lose to someone you don't actively support is just idiotic; people piss and moan about the state of the tour and then actively hope that top 5, top 3, nearly #1 players lose early to fanless players like Razzano? What on earth for? It's downright lazy fan-dom to want an easy road for your favorite; why be a fan of a player who has their ranking handed to them on a silver platter with weak opposition? It's much better for the tour AND for the player's legacy to have the best players of the generation facing each other frequently.

Example: Kuznetsova has a dreadful (and I mean DREADFUL) head-to-head against Henin. But I never wanted Henin to lose to Camille Pin (AO '04) or Meghann Shaughnessey (Dubai '04) or Ivanovic (Warsaw '05) or AMG (RG '05) or Schiavone (Dubai '06) or Clijsters (RG '06) or Daniliidou (Dubai '07) or Jankovic (Doha and Berlin '07), because I wouldn't be as pleased to see Kuznetsova play and win against someone lesser than Henin when she had a chance for glory against a better player. And in each of the cases I listed above, I actually like the player more than I like Henin. None of them was a true favorite of mine, but I certainly liked them more than Henin. But even though I disliked Henin, I wanted her to get deep enough for Kuznetsova to beat her. And even though it only worked out twice, I feel I witnessed superior tennis and gained more from that mentality.

So I suppose AcesHigh and I aren't trying to be high-and-mighty. We just have a different idea of what makes tennis exciting.

Seriously AWESOME post! :bigclap:

I'm one Williams fan who is not exactly :lick: my chops just because Vera and Dinara are out and have momemtarily helped boost/or protect the sisters rankings. Who on earth doesn't want to see the best, being at their best? As others have pointed out, the biggest problem with the WTA is that the best players best tennis rarely seem to coincide.

2007 is as close as we've come to that happening in a long time (and even that year was marred by comebacks and injuries amongst the top players.)

If a player is the best, then they should be able to go through anybody, clear a path for themselves and get the win. Don't get me wrong - I'll take my fav's win if the field is weak - I'm a realist, but it's much more satisfying for me when the field is at full strength and the quality of the matches are high and it's good to watch.

Like OsloErik says, it's not a 'moral' thing but about aesthetics. Poor quality matches of tennis bore the heck out of me, even when my favourites are winning.