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DOUBLEFIST
Mar 17th, 2009, 09:04 PM
I CAN'T WAIT for this match to take place again sometime soon (oh please, oh please, oh please :bounce: :bounce:).

People are talking as if Azarenka BEAT Serena last time they played? :rolleyes: It's ridiculous.

Is she loaded with potential? Yes. Definitely.

...but don't get it confused. If winning one set against Serena meant you were going to win, then there would be a whole lot less players with losing records against Serena. :lol:

RenaSlam.
Mar 17th, 2009, 09:32 PM
She was clearly outplaying Serena, but we've seen that many times and then an epic turnaround from S...

volta
Mar 17th, 2009, 09:33 PM
all Ree has to do is realize that Azarenka is just a poor mens Sharapova

Volcana
Mar 17th, 2009, 09:34 PM
This is the worst case scenario for Azarenka. She got Serena's attention, without getting a win.

kiwifan
Mar 17th, 2009, 09:35 PM
Serena probably doesn't remember her. :shrug:

volta
Mar 17th, 2009, 09:36 PM
Serena probably doesn't remember her. :shrug:

:haha:

Venus+Serena#1fan
Mar 17th, 2009, 10:00 PM
Azarenka played very well and Serena was not bad BUT she was absoloutely not at her best and going for it.

Also her serve was much weaker that match than her 08 match w/Azarenka where she hit 13 or 16 aces I believe... Serena did not shift gears until down 3-5 to Kuznetsova in the QF.

mdterp01
Mar 17th, 2009, 10:03 PM
People had Azarenka penciled in after the first set in Australia. Its ridiculous. Its as if turnarounds don't happen. We will never know the outcome of that because Azarenka had to retire. Bottom line is that Serena is a proven champion and Azarenka hasn't done SHIT!! When she beats someone like Serena, Venus, Maria at a slam and backs it up with a win then we can start talking. Other than that, its pure bullshit speculation. :wavey:

VIKA?
Mar 17th, 2009, 10:03 PM
Hope to see this match very soon;)

Olórin
Mar 17th, 2009, 10:05 PM
Serena probably doesn't remember her. :shrug:

Post of 2009 :haha:

woosey
Mar 17th, 2009, 10:11 PM
Serena probably doesn't remember her. :shrug:

:rolls:

Lulu.
Mar 17th, 2009, 10:15 PM
Serena probably doesn't remember her. :shrug:

:lol:

~Cherry*Blossom~
Mar 17th, 2009, 10:15 PM
Serena probably doesn't remember her. :shrug:

:haha: :sobbing:

HRHoliviasmith
Mar 17th, 2009, 10:16 PM
Serena probably doesn't remember her. :shrug:

:spit: :rolls:

doni1212
Mar 17th, 2009, 10:32 PM
Serena probably doesn't remember her. :shrug:

Damn I have to spread some rep but great post, :worship: :lol:

Dave.
Mar 17th, 2009, 10:38 PM
I can't wait either! :bounce: If an ill Vika can lead Serena like that, goodness knows what she will do when she's healthy. :eek:

Of course a turnaround was possible, but at that stage of the match Vika was still the likely winner being in the lead. And Serena doesn't always turn around matches. It's ridiculous to say she would definetely have made a comeback.


Anyway, at least Vika seems to have caused a stir here. The fact that two months later, the Serena fans are still talking about it......

BuTtErFrEnA
Mar 17th, 2009, 10:45 PM
Serena probably doesn't remember her. :shrug:

:tape:

Olórin
Mar 17th, 2009, 10:46 PM
I can't wait either! :bounce: If an ill Vika can lead Serena like that, goodness knows what she will do when she's healthy. :eek:

Of course a turnaround was possible, but at that stage of the match Vika was still the likely winner being in the lead. And Serena doesn't always turn around matches. It's ridiculous to say she would definetely have made a comeback.


Anyway, at least Vika seems to have caused a stir here. The fact that two months later, the Serena fans are still talking about it......

She was up 4-2. She already had made a comeback. Pay attention Dave. :lol:

And even if she hadn't been up in the second given what she did the next round, you'd have to be a pretty unreasonable person to say that probably would have gone down in two.

BuTtErFrEnA
Mar 17th, 2009, 10:46 PM
I can't wait either! :bounce: If an ill Vika can lead Serena like that, goodness knows what she will do when she's healthy. :eek:

Of course a turnaround was possible, but at that stage of the match Vika was still the likely winner being in the lead. And Serena doesn't always turn around matches. It's ridiculous to say she would definetely have made a comeback.


Anyway, at least Vika seems to have caused a stir here. The fact that two months later, the Serena fans are still talking about it......

the fact that vika played lights out BEFORE she was ill and STILL serena had a shot in the 1st set not playing anywhere near her best shows that azarenka has no chance when serena is playing anywhere near Goatrena status :lol:

tennnisfannn
Mar 17th, 2009, 10:50 PM
If Vika had been the one 4/2 up in the second perhaps it would havebeen a valid argument, serena won tha mtath and the tourny!!!

Dave.
Mar 17th, 2009, 10:51 PM
She was up 4-2. She already had made a comeback. Pay attention Dave. :lol:

And even if she hadn't been up in the second given what she did the next round, you'd have to be a pretty unreasonable person to say that probably would have gone down in two.

Only just. It was still very competitive, I wouldn't have bet against Vika getting it back level in the 2nd. What I meant was, Vika was still in the lead either way. And Serena has lost in straight sets, in grand slams, many times before.

the fact that vika played lights out BEFORE she was ill and STILL serena had a shot in the 1st set not playing anywhere near her best shows that azarenka has no chance when serena is playing anywhere near Goatrena status :lol:

She was sick the night before, she shouldn't have even stepped onto the court.

BuTtErFrEnA
Mar 17th, 2009, 10:56 PM
what's the statement they all say when serena says she's injured??? oh yeah...if she's fit enough to step on the court.....fact is that for the 1st set vika showed no ill effects and was moving well, hitting well and everything was going her way...but if that was all that detemines if you lose a match, serena wouldn't be a 10 time slam champ and vika would have been holding up the Ao trophy....

Human Nature
Mar 17th, 2009, 11:01 PM
I can't wait either! :bounce: If an ill Vika can lead Serena like that, goodness knows what she will do when she's healthy. :eek:

Of course a turnaround was possible, but at that stage of the match Vika was still the likely winner being in the lead. And Serena doesn't always turn around matches.

It's ridiculous to say she would definitely have made a comeback.

Anyway, at least Vika seems to have caused a stir here. The fact that two months later, the Serena fans are still talking about it......


"And Serena doesn't always turn around matches."

Yeah and it was not the first time she lost the first set and won ..nor will be the last time .


"It's ridiculous to say she would definitely have made a comeback"

As much as to say she would definetley have lost it when she was up 4/2 in the second .

Olórin
Mar 17th, 2009, 11:03 PM
Only just. It was still very competitive, I wouldn't have bet against Vika getting it back level in the 2nd. What I meant was, Vika was still in the lead either way. And Serena has lost in straight sets, in grand slams, many times before.


Serena has lost in straight sets quite a few times, however she has won in three sets or in two sets far more often. Your speculation that she probably would have lost in straights seems somewhat arbitrary and unjustified to me given that she won the match and subsequently the tournament.

Dave.
Mar 17th, 2009, 11:04 PM
what's the statement they all say when serena says she's injured??? oh yeah...if she's fit enough to step on the court.....fact is that for the 1st set vika showed no ill effects and was moving well, hitting well and everything was going her way...but if that was all that detemines if you lose a match, serena wouldn't be a 10 time slam champ and vika would have been holding up the Ao trophy....

Yeah, and did you see the second set? Vika could barely stand up. My point was that if Vika wasn't ill she could have kept up her standard from the 1st set and not let Serena back into the match.

Olórin
Mar 17th, 2009, 11:04 PM
She was sick the night before, she shouldn't have even stepped onto the court.

Why? Because she had a tummy upset? That is worth a walkover?

Olórin
Mar 17th, 2009, 11:06 PM
Yeah, and did you see the second set? Vika could barely stand up. My point was that if Vika wasn't ill she could have kept up her standard from the 1st set and not let Serena back into the match.

I don't think 'letting' Serena into the match is really down to Vika, ill or healthy. Serena is a champion and has numerous methods in which she can win a match irrespective of her opponent.

~Cherry*Blossom~
Mar 17th, 2009, 11:06 PM
Yeah, and did you see the second set? Vika could barely stand up. My point was that if Vika wasn't ill she could have kept up her standard from the 1st set and not let Serena back into the match.

Vika was playing very well up until *3-2. She then called the trainer, went for a medical break and came back and then nearly fainted. She showed no ill effects of the illness, especially her service game she held to get to 3-2, until after she came back onto court.

Human Nature
Mar 17th, 2009, 11:12 PM
Yeah, and did you see the second set? Vika could barely stand up. My point was that if Vika wasn't ill she could have kept up her standard from the 1st set and not let Serena back into the match.

Shoulda , woulda , coulda..we dont realy know whatever the level Azarenka had in the first set .

At least we know for sure what serena is able to do . list of combacks is long , but remember this one :

Miami 2007 final vs Henin :down 6/0 5/3 (0/40) or even
OA 2003 vs Clijters : down 6/4 5/1

Not that these players were not playing their ass ...

Dave.
Mar 17th, 2009, 11:14 PM
"And Serena doesn't always turn around matches."

Yeah and it was not the first time she lost the first set and won ..nor will be the last time .


"It's ridiculous to say she would definitely have made a comeback"

As much as to say she would definetley have lost it when she was up 4/2 in the second .

I'm not saying Serena definetely would have lost. :shrug:


Serena has lost in straight sets quite a few times, however she has won in three sets or in two sets far more often. Your speculation that she probably would have lost in straights seems somewhat arbitrary and unjustified to me given that she won the match and subsequently the tournament.

Well she wouldn't have won in two sets. :lol: I think it's just as unjustified to say Serena would have gone on to win the match given the way they both were playing. At the point of retirement, Vika was still leading, so I don't think it is unjust to say she could have won.

But it is pointless to speculate about it as we will never know. Which is why threads like this are completely pointless, will only cause arguments, and just highlight the insecurity of some Serena fans.


Why? Because she had a tummy upset? That is worth a walkover?

Food poisining. :lol: @ your attempt to make it sound as small as possible by calling it tummy upset. If you have ever had food poisining you would know that the last thing to do is play tennis in extreme heat.

frenchie
Mar 17th, 2009, 11:14 PM
all Ree has to do is realize that Azarenka is just a poor mens Sharapova

:worship:

Dave.
Mar 17th, 2009, 11:20 PM
Shoulda , woulda , coulda..we dont realy know whatever the level Azarenka had in the first set .

At least we know for sure what serena is able to do . list of combacks is long , but remember this one :

Miami 2007 final vs Henin :down 6/0 5/3 (0/40) or even
OA 2003 vs Clijters : down 6/4 5/1

Not that these players were not playing their ass ...

Yeah, and remember these:

2008 RG Srebotnik def. Williams 6-4 6-4
2004 Linz Jidkova def. Williams 7-6 6-2

Vika was playing confidently and doing all the right things. Serena was not playing well. We've seen many times where she can get herself into a match, but we have also seen many times when she doesn't. Even a great fighter like Serena will lose more often than win from a set and 5-1 down.

Jansinnet
Mar 17th, 2009, 11:22 PM
There's no way to know who would have won.
That's why they / we play

The Dawntreader
Mar 17th, 2009, 11:23 PM
It's a good match-up. Two aggressive players with an exceptional trademark shot each, always makes for great viewing.

Miss Atomic Bomb
Mar 17th, 2009, 11:28 PM
Yeah, and remember these:

2008 RG Srebotnik def. Williams 6-4 6-4
2004 Linz Jidkova def. Williams 7-6 6-2

Vika was playing confidently and doing all the right things. Serena was not playing well. We've seen many times where she can get herself into a match, but we have also seen many times when she doesn't. Even a great fighter like Serena will lose more often than win from a set and 5-1 down.

And remember these? -

1997 LA Q-R16, TANASUGARN, TAMARINE 3-6 6-2 6-3
1998 Sydney R32, LUCIC, MIRJANA 3-6 6-4 7-5
1998 Sydney QF, DAVENPORT, LINDSAY 1-6 7-5 7-5
1998 AO R128, SPIRLEA, IRINA 6-7(5) 6-3 6-1
1998 Filderstadt, NOVOTNA, JANA 2-6 6-3 2-0
1999 LA R32, LIKHOVTSEVA, ELENA 4-6 6-3 6-1
1999 USO R32, CLIJSTERS, KIM 4-6 6-2 7-5
1999 USO R16, MARTINEZ, CONCHITA 4-6 6-2 6-2
1999 USO QF, SELES, MONICA 4-6 6-3 6-2
2000 IW R32, GRANDE, RITA 4-6 6-1 6-2
2000 LA SF, HINGIS, MARTINA 4-6 6-2 6-3
2001 IW F, CLIJSTERS, KIM 4-6 6-4 6-2
2001 Toronto, SCHETT, BARBARA 3-6 6-3 6-2
2001 USO R128, BARNA, ANCA 4-6 6-1 6-2
2002 FO R16, ZVONAREVA, VERA 4-6 6-0 6-1
2002 FO SF, CAPRIATI, JENNIFER 3-6 7-6(2) 6-2
2002 Japan F, CLIJSTERS, KIM 2-6 6-3 6-3
2002 YEC SF, CAPRIATI, JENNIFER 2-6 6-4 6-4
2003 AO R128, LOIT, EMILIE 3-6 7-6(5) 7-5
2003 AO SF, CLIJSTERS, KIM 4-6 6-3 7-5
2003 Miami F, CAPRIATI, JENNIFER 4-6 6-4 6-1
2003 Wimb QF, CAPRIATI, JENNIFER 2-6 6-2 6-3
2004 FO R64, KIRILENKO, MARIA 4-6 6-2 6-4
2004 Wimb SF, MAURESMO, AMELIE 6-7(4) 7-5 6-4
2004 LA QF, ZVONAREVA, VERA 4-6 6-3 6-3
2004 San Diego R32, JANKOVIC, JELENA 6-7(3) 6-3 6-2
2004 Beijing F, KUZNETSOVA, SVETLANA 4-6 7-5 6-4
2004 YEC R1, MYSKINA, ANASTASIA 4-6 6-3 6-4
2004 YEC SF, MAURESMO, AMELIE 4-6 7-6(2) 6-4
2005 AO SF, SHARAPOVA, MARIA 2-6 7-5 8-6
2005 AO F, DAVENPORT, LINDSAY 2-6 6-3 6-0
2005 Dubai R16, BOVINA, ELENA 1-6 6-1 6-4
2005 Wimb R128, HAYNES, ANGELA 6-7(12) 6-4 6-2
2005 Wimb R64, SANTANGELO, MARA 2-6 6-3 6-2
2005 Toronto R32, COHEN-ALORO, STEPHANIE 3-6 6-4 6-2
2006 LA R16, HANTUCHOVA, DANIELA 1-6 6-3 6-3
2006 LA QF, SHAUGHNESSY, MEGHANN 6-7(4) 6-1 6-4
2007 AO R32, PETROVA, NADIA 1-6 7-5 6-3
2007 AO QF, PEER, SHAHAR 3-6 6-2 8-6
2007 Miami F, HENIN, JUSTINE 0-6 7-5 6-3
2007 FO R128, PIRONKOVA, TSVETANA 5-7 6-1 6-1
2008 Miami R32, PENNETTA, FLAVIA 6-7(6) 6-3 6-2
2008 Miami SF, KUZNETSOVA, SVETLANA 3-6 7-5 6-3
2008 Charleston R16, SREBOTNIK, KATARINA 4-6 6-4 6-3
2008 Stanford R16, LARCHER DE BRITO 4-6 6-3 6-2
2008 Olympics R16, CORNET, ALIZE 3-6 6-3 6-4
2009 Sydney QF, WOZNIACKI, CAROLINE 6-7(5) 6-3 7-6(3)
2009 AO R16, AZARENKA, VICTORIA 3-6 4-2 ret.
2009 AO QF, KUZNETSOVA, SVETLANA 5-7 7-5 6-1
2009 Dubai R32, ERRANI, SARA 4-6 6-2 6-0

If the likes of Kim, Lindsay, Maria, Sveta, Nadia couldnt stop Serena at AO, I dont give Vika a chance. Plus Serena was up a break in the second set, not like she was losing :wavey: Serena has won 8 times at the AO after losing the first set.

The Dawntreader
Mar 17th, 2009, 11:33 PM
And remember these? -

1997 LA Q-R16, TANASUGARN, TAMARINE 3-6 6-2 6-3
1998 Sydney R32, LUCIC, MIRJANA 3-6 6-4 7-5
1998 Sydney QF, DAVENPORT, LINDSAY 1-6 7-5 7-5
1998 AO R128, SPIRLEA, IRINA 6-7(5) 6-3 6-1
1998 Filderstadt, NOVOTNA, JANA 2-6 6-3 2-0
1999 LA R32, LIKHOVTSEVA, ELENA 4-6 6-3 6-1
1999 USO R32, CLIJSTERS, KIM 4-6 6-2 7-5
1999 USO R16, MARTINEZ, CONCHITA 4-6 6-2 6-2
1999 USO QF, SELES, MONICA 4-6 6-3 6-2
2000 IW R32, GRANDE, RITA 4-6 6-1 6-2
2000 LA SF, HINGIS, MARTINA 4-6 6-2 6-3
2001 IW F, CLIJSTERS, KIM 4-6 6-4 6-2
2001 Toronto, SCHETT, BARBARA 3-6 6-3 6-2
2001 USO R128, BARNA, ANCA 4-6 6-1 6-2
2002 FO R16, ZVONAREVA, VERA 4-6 6-0 6-1
2002 FO SF, CAPRIATI, JENNIFER 3-6 7-6(2) 6-2
2002 Japan F, CLIJSTERS, KIM 2-6 6-3 6-3
2002 YEC SF, CAPRIATI, JENNIFER 2-6 6-4 6-4
2003 AO R128, LOIT, EMILIE 3-6 7-6(5) 7-5
2003 AO SF, CLIJSTERS, KIM 4-6 6-3 7-5
2003 Miami F, CAPRIATI, JENNIFER 4-6 6-4 6-1
2003 Wimb QF, CAPRIATI, JENNIFER 2-6 6-2 6-3
2004 FO R64, KIRILENKO, MARIA 4-6 6-2 6-4
2004 Wimb SF, MAURESMO, AMELIE 6-7(4) 7-5 6-4
2004 LA QF, ZVONAREVA, VERA 4-6 6-3 6-3
2004 San Diego R32, JANKOVIC, JELENA 6-7(3) 6-3 6-2
2004 Beijing F, KUZNETSOVA, SVETLANA 4-6 7-5 6-4
2004 YEC R1, MYSKINA, ANASTASIA 4-6 6-3 6-4
2004 YEC SF, MAURESMO, AMELIE 4-6 7-6(2) 6-4
2005 AO SF, SHARAPOVA, MARIA 2-6 7-5 8-6
2005 AO F, DAVENPORT, LINDSAY 2-6 6-3 6-0
2005 Dubai R16, BOVINA, ELENA 1-6 6-1 6-4
2005 Wimb R128, HAYNES, ANGELA 6-7(12) 6-4 6-2
2005 Wimb R64, SANTANGELO, MARA 2-6 6-3 6-2
2005 Toronto R32, COHEN-ALORO, STEPHANIE 3-6 6-4 6-2
2006 LA R16, HANTUCHOVA, DANIELA 1-6 6-3 6-3
2006 LA QF, SHAUGHNESSY, MEGHANN 6-7(4) 6-1 6-4
2007 AO R32, PETROVA, NADIA 1-6 7-5 6-3
2007 AO QF, PEER, SHAHAR 3-6 6-2 8-6
2007 Miami F, HENIN, JUSTINE 0-6 7-5 6-3
2007 FO R128, PIRONKOVA, TSVETANA 5-7 6-1 6-1
2008 Miami R32, PENNETTA, FLAVIA 6-7(6) 6-3 6-2
2008 Miami SF, KUZNETSOVA, SVETLANA 3-6 7-5 6-3
2008 Charleston R16, SREBOTNIK, KATARINA 4-6 6-4 6-3
2008 Stanford R16, LARCHER DE BRITO 4-6 6-3 6-2
2008 Olympics R16, CORNET, ALIZE 3-6 6-3 6-4
2009 Sydney QF, WOZNIACKI, CAROLINE 6-7(5) 6-3 7-6(3)
2009 AO R16, AZARENKA, VICTORIA 3-6 4-2 ret.
2009 AO QF, KUZNETSOVA, SVETLANA 5-7 7-5 6-1
2009 Dubai R32, ERRANI, SARA 4-6 6-2 6-0
If the likes of Kim, Lindsay, Maria, Sveta, Nadia couldnt stop Serena at AO, I dont give Vika a chance. Plus Serena was up a break in the second set, not like she was losing :wavey:

But where's your proof reetard?:lol:

DA FOREHAND
Mar 17th, 2009, 11:34 PM
Yeah, and did you see the second set? Vika could barely stand up. My point was that if Vika wasn't ill she could have kept up her standard from the 1st set and not let Serena back into the match.
you don't have a point. younger better players have wilted under the pressure of beating the best player on tour many times. the Testud's, Novotna's, JJ's, Pierce's, etc etc...etc

BuTtErFrEnA
Mar 17th, 2009, 11:39 PM
the insecurity of serena fans or the elusive dreams of people who don't like when serena wins :lol:

Sean.
Mar 17th, 2009, 11:52 PM
I truely believe Vika could have won that match. In the 1st she was playing sublime tennis, then her level dropped in the 2nd which allowed Serena to break her.

If I remember correctly Vika retired due to heat illness? I don't believe that is something that comes on suddenly. It's possible, if not likely, that this is what caused her level to drop. We know for certain her condition deteriorated enough for her to be forced to retire - undoubtedly this would have affected the quality of her tennis. If she had continued to play the stunning tennis she did in the 1st set Serena would have found it very hard to turn the match around. Serena is by no means invulnerable, she of course can be beaten even when she plays well.

But to be honest the argument is moot, we will never know what would have happened. Maybe Vika will be a Pierce type figure who can beat anyone when she is on?

BuTtErFrEnA
Mar 18th, 2009, 12:00 AM
doubtful...as far as i have seen she doesn't like being fed the same pace or faster....hypothetically speaking, that's why if serena had continued upping her game as she was starting to do, vika wasn't going to win....and if it took vika's absolute best and a sub par serena for vika to win a 6-3 nearly 45 min set, and still be down a break in the second, i don't see her winning...

see last years' AO to see how serena playing well handles vika and her power :shrug:

Sean.
Mar 18th, 2009, 12:09 AM
doubtful...as far as i have seen she doesn't like being fed the same pace or faster....hypothetically speaking, that's why if serena had continued upping her game as she was starting to do, vika wasn't going to win....and if it took vika's absolute best and a sub par serena for vika to win a 6-3 nearly 45 min set, and still be down a break in the second, i don't see her winning...

see last years' AO to see how serena playing well handles vika and her power :shrug:

Can you take much from precedent?

That match was one of Vika's best performances, where she was handling Serena's pace well. In 08 she was a much less mature/developed player. It's possible that Serena was only to break because of Vika's drop in play - caused bu her illness.

We will never know :shrug:

DA FOREHAND
Mar 18th, 2009, 12:10 AM
I truely believe Vika could have won that match. In the 1st she was playing sublime tennis, then her level dropped in the 2nd which allowed Serena to break her.

If I remember correctly Vika retired due to heat illness? I don't believe that is something that comes on suddenly. It's possible, if not likely, that this is what caused her level to drop. We know for certain her condition deteriorated enough for her to be forced to retire - undoubtedly this would have affected the quality of her tennis. If she had continued to play the stunning tennis she did in the 1st set Serena would have found it very hard to turn the match around. Serena is by no means invulnerable, she of course can be beaten even when she plays well.

But to be honest the argument is moot, we will never know what would have happened. Maybe Vika will be a Pierce type figure who can beat anyone when she is on?

you are absolutely right.. she could have won the match. fact is she didn't.

Henin could have won Wimbledon 06, but she didn't! Your logic is groundbreaking!

AcesHigh
Mar 18th, 2009, 12:13 AM
Some people act like Serena can't lose

Sean.
Mar 18th, 2009, 12:13 AM
you are absolutely right.. she could have won the match. fact is she didn't.

Henin could have won Wimbledon 06, but she didn't! Your logic is groundbreaking!

And your attitude is most incredibly endearing . Perhaps you could drop the sarcasm for once and actually consider I may have a point?

Serena didn't actually win the match either. It was handed to her.

frenchie
Mar 18th, 2009, 12:15 AM
Serena was soooooo going to win this match anyway

You think Azarenka would have kept composure in tight moments in a GS 4th round.....
lol

Sean.
Mar 18th, 2009, 12:18 AM
Serena was soooooo going to win this match anyway

You think Azarenka would have kept composure in tight moments in a GS 4th round.....
lol

Can you prove to me without doubt that she wouldn't have on this occasion? No.

FoxyliciousKhat
Mar 18th, 2009, 12:23 AM
And remember these? -

1997 LA Q-R16, TANASUGARN, TAMARINE 3-6 6-2 6-3
1998 Sydney R32, LUCIC, MIRJANA 3-6 6-4 7-5
1998 Sydney QF, DAVENPORT, LINDSAY 1-6 7-5 7-5
1998 AO R128, SPIRLEA, IRINA 6-7(5) 6-3 6-1
1998 Filderstadt, NOVOTNA, JANA 2-6 6-3 2-0
1999 LA R32, LIKHOVTSEVA, ELENA 4-6 6-3 6-1
1999 USO R32, CLIJSTERS, KIM 4-6 6-2 7-5
1999 USO R16, MARTINEZ, CONCHITA 4-6 6-2 6-2
1999 USO QF, SELES, MONICA 4-6 6-3 6-2
2000 IW R32, GRANDE, RITA 4-6 6-1 6-2
2000 LA SF, HINGIS, MARTINA 4-6 6-2 6-3
2001 IW F, CLIJSTERS, KIM 4-6 6-4 6-2
2001 Toronto, SCHETT, BARBARA 3-6 6-3 6-2
2001 USO R128, BARNA, ANCA 4-6 6-1 6-2
2002 FO R16, ZVONAREVA, VERA 4-6 6-0 6-1
2002 FO SF, CAPRIATI, JENNIFER 3-6 7-6(2) 6-2
2002 Japan F, CLIJSTERS, KIM 2-6 6-3 6-3
2002 YEC SF, CAPRIATI, JENNIFER 2-6 6-4 6-4
2003 AO R128, LOIT, EMILIE 3-6 7-6(5) 7-5
2003 AO SF, CLIJSTERS, KIM 4-6 6-3 7-5
2003 Miami F, CAPRIATI, JENNIFER 4-6 6-4 6-1
2003 Wimb QF, CAPRIATI, JENNIFER 2-6 6-2 6-3
2004 FO R64, KIRILENKO, MARIA 4-6 6-2 6-4
2004 Wimb SF, MAURESMO, AMELIE 6-7(4) 7-5 6-4
2004 LA QF, ZVONAREVA, VERA 4-6 6-3 6-3
2004 San Diego R32, JANKOVIC, JELENA 6-7(3) 6-3 6-2
2004 Beijing F, KUZNETSOVA, SVETLANA 4-6 7-5 6-4
2004 YEC R1, MYSKINA, ANASTASIA 4-6 6-3 6-4
2004 YEC SF, MAURESMO, AMELIE 4-6 7-6(2) 6-4
2005 AO SF, SHARAPOVA, MARIA 2-6 7-5 8-6
2005 AO F, DAVENPORT, LINDSAY 2-6 6-3 6-0
2005 Dubai R16, BOVINA, ELENA 1-6 6-1 6-4
2005 Wimb R128, HAYNES, ANGELA 6-7(12) 6-4 6-2
2005 Wimb R64, SANTANGELO, MARA 2-6 6-3 6-2
2005 Toronto R32, COHEN-ALORO, STEPHANIE 3-6 6-4 6-2
2006 LA R16, HANTUCHOVA, DANIELA 1-6 6-3 6-3
2006 LA QF, SHAUGHNESSY, MEGHANN 6-7(4) 6-1 6-4
2007 AO R32, PETROVA, NADIA 1-6 7-5 6-3
2007 AO QF, PEER, SHAHAR 3-6 6-2 8-6
2007 Miami F, HENIN, JUSTINE 0-6 7-5 6-3
2007 FO R128, PIRONKOVA, TSVETANA 5-7 6-1 6-1
2008 Miami R32, PENNETTA, FLAVIA 6-7(6) 6-3 6-2
2008 Miami SF, KUZNETSOVA, SVETLANA 3-6 7-5 6-3
2008 Charleston R16, SREBOTNIK, KATARINA 4-6 6-4 6-3
2008 Stanford R16, LARCHER DE BRITO 4-6 6-3 6-2
2008 Olympics R16, CORNET, ALIZE 3-6 6-3 6-4
2009 Sydney QF, WOZNIACKI, CAROLINE 6-7(5) 6-3 7-6(3)
2009 AO R16, AZARENKA, VICTORIA 3-6 4-2 ret.
2009 AO QF, KUZNETSOVA, SVETLANA 5-7 7-5 6-1
2009 Dubai R32, ERRANI, SARA 4-6 6-2 6-0

If the likes of Kim, Lindsay, Maria, Sveta, Nadia couldnt stop Serena at AO, I dont give Vika a chance. Plus Serena was up a break in the second set, not like she was losing :wavey: Serena has won 8 times at the AO after losing the first set.

THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Foxy

FoxyliciousKhat
Mar 18th, 2009, 12:28 AM
Can you prove to me without doubt that she wouldn't have on this occasion? No.

And can you prove that she would have? NO!

We honestly don't know what would have happened. If this was Venus I would have give Vika the edge but with Serena one never know. Plus we've seen lots of players up sets, playing well and not closing it out when it matters. One just never know. And even if they play the next time and Vika won it still does not prove she would have won this encounter.

One set does not a WTA match win. I will admit Vika was playing well and so was Kim, Linds, Maria et al before her and we know how things turned out.

Foxy

Sean.
Mar 18th, 2009, 12:33 AM
And can you prove that she would have? NO!

We honestly don't know what would have happened.

Foxy

Thankyou! That's what I've been saying the whole time! :worship:

BuTtErFrEnA
Mar 18th, 2009, 12:36 AM
And your attitude is most incredibly endearing . Perhaps you could drop the sarcasm for once and actually consider I may have a point?

Serena didn't actually win the match either. It was handed to her.

serena was actually not hitting with a lot of pace in that match, if any :shrug: that match i was truly astounded at how little serena was doing with her shots...the reason i went with precent is because there is a reason why h-2-h means something, i mean it must say something that the year when serena was playing really well, and hitting with good pace and clean shots that she man handled vika....

i'd however say there was more than a 51% chance that serena was gonna win simply on sheer mental strength...i've seen serena come back far too much times in matches against way better opponents for me not to give her the upper hand even when down a set against vika...it's not like if serena started playing well that vika was gonna start serve and volleying or charging the net more :shrug:

it's like nadal or federer, where even though sometimes they are down a set, you know the person still has to win mp against them to be guaranteed that win...:shrug:

DOUBLEFIST
Mar 18th, 2009, 12:38 AM
blah, blah, blah ....Anyway, at least Vika seems to have caused a stir here. The fact that two months later, the Serena fans are still talking about it......

actually it's your precious Lindsay who's still talking about it. ...Wishful thinking on her part, 'eh. ;) or some sort of vicarious POTENTIAL victory. :lol:

Sean.
Mar 18th, 2009, 12:43 AM
serena was actually not hitting with a lot of pace in that match, if any :shrug: that match i was truly astounded at how little serena was doing with her shots...the reason i went with precent is because there is a reason why h-2-h means something, i mean it must say something that the year when serena was playing really well, and hitting with good pace and clean shots that she man handled vika....

i'd however say there was more than a 51% chance that serena was gonna win simply on sheer mental strength...i've seen serena come back far too much times in matches against way better opponents for me not to give her the upper hand even when down a set against vika...it's not like if serena started playing well that vika was gonna start serve and volleying or charging the net more :shrug:

it's like nadal or federer, where even though sometimes they are down a set, you know the person still has to win mp against them to be guaranteed that win...:shrug:

Which is a lot less than the vast majority of Serena fans would like us to believe. Some make it sound as if there was no chance for Vika.

I think you can rely on H2H less in this case, due to the fact Vika improved so much from their previous encounters. Especially when you consider her hit & miss game.

DOUBLEFIST
Mar 18th, 2009, 12:45 AM
And remember these? -

1997 LA Q-R16, TANASUGARN, TAMARINE 3-6 6-2 6-3
1998 Sydney R32, LUCIC, MIRJANA 3-6 6-4 7-5
1998 Sydney QF, DAVENPORT, LINDSAY 1-6 7-5 7-5
1998 AO R128, SPIRLEA, IRINA 6-7(5) 6-3 6-1
1998 Filderstadt, NOVOTNA, JANA 2-6 6-3 2-0
1999 LA R32, LIKHOVTSEVA, ELENA 4-6 6-3 6-1
1999 USO R32, CLIJSTERS, KIM 4-6 6-2 7-5
1999 USO R16, MARTINEZ, CONCHITA 4-6 6-2 6-2
1999 USO QF, SELES, MONICA 4-6 6-3 6-2
2000 IW R32, GRANDE, RITA 4-6 6-1 6-2
2000 LA SF, HINGIS, MARTINA 4-6 6-2 6-3
2001 IW F, CLIJSTERS, KIM 4-6 6-4 6-2
2001 Toronto, SCHETT, BARBARA 3-6 6-3 6-2
2001 USO R128, BARNA, ANCA 4-6 6-1 6-2
2002 FO R16, ZVONAREVA, VERA 4-6 6-0 6-1
2002 FO SF, CAPRIATI, JENNIFER 3-6 7-6(2) 6-2
2002 Japan F, CLIJSTERS, KIM 2-6 6-3 6-3
2002 YEC SF, CAPRIATI, JENNIFER 2-6 6-4 6-4
2003 AO R128, LOIT, EMILIE 3-6 7-6(5) 7-5
2003 AO SF, CLIJSTERS, KIM 4-6 6-3 7-5
2003 Miami F, CAPRIATI, JENNIFER 4-6 6-4 6-1
2003 Wimb QF, CAPRIATI, JENNIFER 2-6 6-2 6-3
2004 FO R64, KIRILENKO, MARIA 4-6 6-2 6-4
2004 Wimb SF, MAURESMO, AMELIE 6-7(4) 7-5 6-4
2004 LA QF, ZVONAREVA, VERA 4-6 6-3 6-3
2004 San Diego R32, JANKOVIC, JELENA 6-7(3) 6-3 6-2
2004 Beijing F, KUZNETSOVA, SVETLANA 4-6 7-5 6-4
2004 YEC R1, MYSKINA, ANASTASIA 4-6 6-3 6-4
2004 YEC SF, MAURESMO, AMELIE 4-6 7-6(2) 6-4
2005 AO SF, SHARAPOVA, MARIA 2-6 7-5 8-6
2005 AO F, DAVENPORT, LINDSAY 2-6 6-3 6-0
2005 Dubai R16, BOVINA, ELENA 1-6 6-1 6-4
2005 Wimb R128, HAYNES, ANGELA 6-7(12) 6-4 6-2
2005 Wimb R64, SANTANGELO, MARA 2-6 6-3 6-2
2005 Toronto R32, COHEN-ALORO, STEPHANIE 3-6 6-4 6-2
2006 LA R16, HANTUCHOVA, DANIELA 1-6 6-3 6-3
2006 LA QF, SHAUGHNESSY, MEGHANN 6-7(4) 6-1 6-4
2007 AO R32, PETROVA, NADIA 1-6 7-5 6-3
2007 AO QF, PEER, SHAHAR 3-6 6-2 8-6
2007 Miami F, HENIN, JUSTINE 0-6 7-5 6-3
2007 FO R128, PIRONKOVA, TSVETANA 5-7 6-1 6-1
2008 Miami R32, PENNETTA, FLAVIA 6-7(6) 6-3 6-2
2008 Miami SF, KUZNETSOVA, SVETLANA 3-6 7-5 6-3
2008 Charleston R16, SREBOTNIK, KATARINA 4-6 6-4 6-3
2008 Stanford R16, LARCHER DE BRITO 4-6 6-3 6-2
2008 Olympics R16, CORNET, ALIZE 3-6 6-3 6-4
2009 Sydney QF, WOZNIACKI, CAROLINE 6-7(5) 6-3 7-6(3)
2009 AO R16, AZARENKA, VICTORIA 3-6 4-2 ret.
2009 AO QF, KUZNETSOVA, SVETLANA 5-7 7-5 6-1
2009 Dubai R32, ERRANI, SARA 4-6 6-2 6-0

If the likes of Kim, Lindsay, Maria, Sveta, Nadia couldnt stop Serena at AO, I dont give Vika a chance. Plus Serena was up a break in the second set, not like she was losing :wavey: Serena has won 8 times at the AO after losing the first set.

PWND!

Which is a lot less than the vast majority of Serena fans would like us to believe. Some make it sound as if there was no chance for Vika...
5ean, I think you need to look at why I started this thread. It was announcers (and obviously a couple of others around here) who were making it "...sound as if there was no chance for" SERENA to win the match. THAT'S the issue.

BuTtErFrEnA
Mar 18th, 2009, 12:48 AM
Which is a lot less than the vast majority of Serena fans would like us to believe. Some make it sound as if there was no chance for Vika.

I think you can rely on H2H less in this case, due to the fact Vika improved so much from their previous encounters. Especially when you consider her hit & miss game.

;) that's it right there....players like her NEED to be exceptionally on for a whole match to have a chance to beat serena...she also has to depend on serena not being on....and if serena can find a way to whether the maria storm as she did in charleston last year then i believe she could have found a way to whether the vika storm ;)

much like how she had to whether the ana storm in dubai (those fh's from both :drool: ) but that's another topic :angel:

:lol:

Sean.
Mar 18th, 2009, 12:50 AM
much like how she had to whether the ana storm in dubai (those fh's from both :drool: ) but that's another topic :angel:

:lol:

:ras::topic:

The 4-1 lead still haunts me :lol::p

Miss Atomic Bomb
Mar 18th, 2009, 12:51 AM
;) that's it right there....players like her NEED to be exceptionally on for a whole match to have a chance to take a set off serena...she also has to depend on serena not being on....and if serena can find a way to whether the maria storm as she did in charleston last year then i believe she could have found a way to whether the vika storm ;)


Edited :yeah:

harloo
Mar 18th, 2009, 01:21 AM
The match is over. Why is anyone dredging this up from the past? It's not uncommon for top players to have a scare during slams and usually the best players always find a way to win despite not being 100%. I believe Serena would have won the match especially after she broke 4-2 in the second. It's easier for an inexperienced player to get the lead in a match but to maintain it for the win is harder. Azarenka has a pretty good game, not better than Serena's by any means but with a little more experience and mental toughness she may be a force to reckon with in the future. But we've said this about so many players who have made splashes on tour but later proved to be mediocre players. She could become a great player or end up being another average top 30 player. :)

serenafann
Mar 18th, 2009, 01:36 AM
I CAN'T WAIT for this match to take place again sometime soon (oh please, oh please, oh please :bounce: :bounce:).

People are talking as if Azarenka BEAT Serena last time they played? :rolleyes: It's ridiculous.

Is she loaded with potential? Yes. Definitely.

...but don't get it confused. If winning one set against Serena meant you were going to win, then there would be a whole lot less players with losing records against Serena. :lol:

:lol: Well said.

DOUBLEFIST
Apr 2nd, 2009, 07:55 PM
Closer, and closer and closer and closer and closer and..., etc, etc

:bounce:

If it happens, I have a feeling it's gonna be a WAR!!!

Mynarco
Apr 2nd, 2009, 08:02 PM
There's no way to know who would have won.
That's why they / we play

exactly.

pwayne
Apr 2nd, 2009, 08:03 PM
One more match and it will be a reality on Saturday

2Black
Apr 2nd, 2009, 08:07 PM
Well Venus is winning 2nite so you'll have to wait a little longer. I kinda get the feeling Serena would kill Azarenka just because she'll want to finish Australia

DOUBLEFIST
Apr 2nd, 2009, 08:12 PM
...I kinda get the feeling Serena would kill Azarenka just because she'll want to finish Australia

I don't know. You generally have to beat Serena to get her attention. Otherwise, Serena simply doesn't believe that it CAN happen, so she goes about her business in "ho, hum" way. Then, you beat her and get her attention, THAT'S when your problems start. :lol:

sweetpeas
Apr 2nd, 2009, 08:45 PM
This is the worst case scenario for Azarenka. She got Serena's attention, without getting a win.

So true

But...Serena knew Azarenka has a very dam good 'game!Serena never took Azarenks light,never!Special in a Slam!

sweetpeas
Apr 2nd, 2009, 08:46 PM
specially in a Grand Slam!No one!

mdterp01
Apr 2nd, 2009, 09:14 PM
What I think it shows is that Azarenka can play a great first set and then litter the court with crap in the second without the aid of stomach pains. I will certainly agree that she was taking Serena to the woodshed in the first set of that match. Was Serena lucky? Perhaps. We'll never know the outcome had Azarenka not had stomach issues. We saw her nerves today and we saw her totally go away in the second set. So...all of this speculation about how she's the best player this year when she hasn't won anything of significance is just foolish.

Bijoux0021
Apr 2nd, 2009, 09:17 PM
Some people act like Serena can't lose
Uh, STHU! And some people act like Serena has never come from a set down before to win.

And remember these? -

1997 LA Q-R16, TANASUGARN, TAMARINE 3-6 6-2 6-3
1998 Sydney R32, LUCIC, MIRJANA 3-6 6-4 7-5
1998 Sydney QF, DAVENPORT, LINDSAY 1-6 7-5 7-5
1998 AO R128, SPIRLEA, IRINA 6-7(5) 6-3 6-1
1998 Filderstadt, NOVOTNA, JANA 2-6 6-3 2-0
1999 LA R32, LIKHOVTSEVA, ELENA 4-6 6-3 6-1
1999 USO R32, CLIJSTERS, KIM 4-6 6-2 7-5
1999 USO R16, MARTINEZ, CONCHITA 4-6 6-2 6-2
1999 USO QF, SELES, MONICA 4-6 6-3 6-2
2000 IW R32, GRANDE, RITA 4-6 6-1 6-2
2000 LA SF, HINGIS, MARTINA 4-6 6-2 6-3
2001 IW F, CLIJSTERS, KIM 4-6 6-4 6-2
2001 Toronto, SCHETT, BARBARA 3-6 6-3 6-2
2001 USO R128, BARNA, ANCA 4-6 6-1 6-2
2002 FO R16, ZVONAREVA, VERA 4-6 6-0 6-1
2002 FO SF, CAPRIATI, JENNIFER 3-6 7-6(2) 6-2
2002 Japan F, CLIJSTERS, KIM 2-6 6-3 6-3
2002 YEC SF, CAPRIATI, JENNIFER 2-6 6-4 6-4
2003 AO R128, LOIT, EMILIE 3-6 7-6(5) 7-5
2003 AO SF, CLIJSTERS, KIM 4-6 6-3 7-5
2003 Miami F, CAPRIATI, JENNIFER 4-6 6-4 6-1
2003 Wimb QF, CAPRIATI, JENNIFER 2-6 6-2 6-3
2004 FO R64, KIRILENKO, MARIA 4-6 6-2 6-4
2004 Wimb SF, MAURESMO, AMELIE 6-7(4) 7-5 6-4
2004 LA QF, ZVONAREVA, VERA 4-6 6-3 6-3
2004 San Diego R32, JANKOVIC, JELENA 6-7(3) 6-3 6-2
2004 Beijing F, KUZNETSOVA, SVETLANA 4-6 7-5 6-4
2004 YEC R1, MYSKINA, ANASTASIA 4-6 6-3 6-4
2004 YEC SF, MAURESMO, AMELIE 4-6 7-6(2) 6-4
2005 AO SF, SHARAPOVA, MARIA 2-6 7-5 8-6
2005 AO F, DAVENPORT, LINDSAY 2-6 6-3 6-0
2005 Dubai R16, BOVINA, ELENA 1-6 6-1 6-4
2005 Wimb R128, HAYNES, ANGELA 6-7(12) 6-4 6-2
2005 Wimb R64, SANTANGELO, MARA 2-6 6-3 6-2
2005 Toronto R32, COHEN-ALORO, STEPHANIE 3-6 6-4 6-2
2006 LA R16, HANTUCHOVA, DANIELA 1-6 6-3 6-3
2006 LA QF, SHAUGHNESSY, MEGHANN 6-7(4) 6-1 6-4
2007 AO R32, PETROVA, NADIA 1-6 7-5 6-3
2007 AO QF, PEER, SHAHAR 3-6 6-2 8-6
2007 Miami F, HENIN, JUSTINE 0-6 7-5 6-3
2007 FO R128, PIRONKOVA, TSVETANA 5-7 6-1 6-1
2008 Miami R32, PENNETTA, FLAVIA 6-7(6) 6-3 6-2
2008 Miami SF, KUZNETSOVA, SVETLANA 3-6 7-5 6-3
2008 Charleston R16, SREBOTNIK, KATARINA 4-6 6-4 6-3
2008 Stanford R16, LARCHER DE BRITO 4-6 6-3 6-2
2008 Olympics R16, CORNET, ALIZE 3-6 6-3 6-4
2009 Sydney QF, WOZNIACKI, CAROLINE 6-7(5) 6-3 7-6(3)
2009 AO R16, AZARENKA, VICTORIA 3-6 4-2 ret.
2009 AO QF, KUZNETSOVA, SVETLANA 5-7 7-5 6-1
2009 Dubai R32, ERRANI, SARA 4-6 6-2 6-0

If the likes of Kim, Lindsay, Maria, Sveta, Nadia couldnt stop Serena at AO, I dont give Vika a chance. Plus Serena was up a break in the second set, not like she was losing :wavey: Serena has won 8 times at the AO after losing the first set.

Ryan
Apr 2nd, 2009, 09:20 PM
I CAN'T WAIT for this match to take place again sometime soon (oh please, oh please, oh please :bounce: :bounce:).

People are talking as if Azarenka BEAT Serena last time they played? :rolleyes: It's ridiculous.

Is she loaded with potential? Yes. Definitely.

...but don't get it confused. If winning one set against Serena meant you were going to win, then there would be a whole lot less players with losing records against Serena. :lol:



People say it because she WAS beating Serena. Beat her? Nope, but she was outplaying her and was definitely in position to beat her before the heat raped her.

Temperenka
Apr 2nd, 2009, 09:21 PM
What I think it shows is that Azarenka can play a great first set and then litter the court with crap in the second without the aid of stomach pains. I will certainly agree that she was taking Serena to the woodshed in the first set of that match. Was Serena lucky? Perhaps. We'll never know the outcome had Azarenka not had stomach issues. We saw her nerves today and we saw her totally go away in the second set. So...all of this speculation about how she's the best player this year when she hasn't won anything of significance is just foolish.

I actually agree with you, for once. ;)
I hope that Vika can show her stuff tomorrow against ___ Williams, but I think nerves will be an issue and I think that if she plays Serena, especially, there is a chance she could get crushed. Just my feeling, but everyone knows how ruthless Serena can be to players that have challenged her and in later stages of big tournaments. I hope I'm wrong and that Vika can either play competitively or win, but Finalrena is a completely different story.
Go Vika!! :bounce:

Denise4925
Apr 2nd, 2009, 09:31 PM
Serena probably doesn't remember her. :shrug:

Oh my :o :rolls: :rolls: :rolls:

Denise4925
Apr 2nd, 2009, 09:43 PM
I can't wait either! :bounce: If an ill Vika can lead Serena like that, goodness knows what she will do when she's healthy. :eek:

Of course a turnaround was possible, but at that stage of the match Vika was still the likely winner being in the lead. And Serena doesn't always turn around matches. It's ridiculous to say she would definetely have made a comeback.

Anyway, at least Vika seems to have caused a stir here. The fact that two months later, the Serena fans are still talking about it......

:lol: And, its even more ridiculous to say that Vika "was still likely the winner being in the lead", especially against a champion like Serena at her favorite GS.:lol: :haha: First she wasn't beating her, she only won a set and Serena was ahead in the second 4-2. She certainly didn't bagel Serena in the first.

The only stir is that some people are deluded in thinking that but for the heat, she would have automatically won the match because she won a set against Serena. :rolleyes:

Denise4925
Apr 2nd, 2009, 09:46 PM
Only just. It was still very competitive, I wouldn't have bet against Vika getting it back level in the 2nd. What I meant was, Vika was still in the lead either way. And Serena has lost in straight sets, in grand slams, many times before.



She was sick the night before, she shouldn't have even stepped onto the court.

No excuses please. :) Seems she didn't start showing the effects of her illness until she went down 4-2 in the second.

Denise4925
Apr 2nd, 2009, 09:48 PM
Yeah, and did you see the second set? Vika could barely stand up. My point was that if Vika wasn't ill she could have kept up her standard from the 1st set and not let Serena back into the match.

She looked fine until she started to serve at 4-2. :confused: And, it wasn't up to Vika whether Serena got back in the match.

Volcana
Apr 2nd, 2009, 09:52 PM
What exactly IS Azarenka's slam record in the quarterfinals or later? Must be pretty fearsome to challenge Serena.

Denise4925
Apr 2nd, 2009, 09:54 PM
I'm not saying Serena definetely would have lost. :shrug:

Oh, because that's what it looked like when you said this:

Vika was still the likely winner being in the lead But, you're right, "likely" is not "definitely". :)


But it is pointless to speculate about it as we will never know. Which is why threads like this are completely pointless, will only cause arguments, and just highlight the insecurity of some Serena fans.

Come on Dave, an ad hominem attack? :lol: You're better than that, but I understand. Sometimes the worst of us comes out when we're backed into a corner. ;)

VeeReeDavJCap81
Apr 2nd, 2009, 09:59 PM
If Serena plays tactically against Vika, she'll win everytime. People say she's a cheap version of Masha, but she reminds me more of a more consistent Vaidisova :shrug:

Denise4925
Apr 2nd, 2009, 10:01 PM
Yeah, and remember these:

2008 RG Srebotnik def. Williams 6-4 6-4
2004 Linz Jidkova def. Williams 7-6 6-2

Vika was playing confidently and doing all the right things. Serena was not playing well. We've seen many times where she can get herself into a match, but we have also seen many times when she doesn't. Even a great fighter like Serena will lose more often than win from a set and 5-1 down.

First, you only listed two times (one on clay and the other when she had just come back from knee surgery in 2003), but you say many times. They are so few and in between, it's hard to recall exactly I guess.

Secondly, Vika wasn't a set and 5-1 up.

Denise4925
Apr 2nd, 2009, 10:07 PM
And your attitude is most incredibly endearing . Perhaps you could drop the sarcasm for once and actually consider I may have a point?

Serena didn't actually win the match either. It was handed to her.

Technically she did. But someone getting sick is not her fault. She was ready to play.

I guess Amelie didn't actually win the AO against Henin in the '06 final either.

Bijoux0021
Apr 2nd, 2009, 10:07 PM
Apparently, Dave is STILL losing lots of sleep over this AO match. :sad:

Temperenka
Apr 2nd, 2009, 10:09 PM
Let's all stop worrying about the match at the AO. Seriously. Serena won, Vika retired and in turn lost. Even if Vika had gone on to lose in three sets, she would have taken a set off Serena.. that in itself is an accomplishment. Who knows if she would have come back? She probably could have, but we'll never know. The point is.. Serena won the match and that is ALL we know. Let's just look forward to these two playing more in the future.

Denise4925
Apr 2nd, 2009, 10:16 PM
People say it because she WAS beating Serena. Beat her? Nope, but she was outplaying her and was definitely in position to beat her before the heat raped her.

Wrong again. :rolleyes: Beating Serena is not being merely a set up, especially when you're down a break in the second.

VeeReeDavJCap81
Apr 2nd, 2009, 10:16 PM
If I'm correct wasn't the Serena/Azarenka match back in January? And as far as I know the result of the match is not still pending, it was settled. GSM Williams is what the umpire announced. So let's move on....

Ryan
Apr 2nd, 2009, 10:28 PM
Wrong again. :rolleyes: Beating Serena is not being merely a set up, especially when you're down a break in the second.



So you're saying the match was tied? I never said Azarenka was thumping her, but she was winning the match overall.

Dave.
Apr 2nd, 2009, 10:38 PM
:lol: And, its even more ridiculous to say that Vika "was still likely the winner being in the lead", especially against a champion like Serena at her favorite GS.:lol: :haha: First she wasn't beating her, she only won a set and Serena was ahead in the second 4-2. She certainly didn't bagel Serena in the first.

The only stir is that some people are deluded in thinking that but for the heat, she would have automatically won the match because she won a set against Serena. :rolleyes:

She was the likelier winner due to the scorline. I know me, and most other Vika fans do not feel Vika would definetely have won the match. But I also don't feel Serena winning was any more certain. It's what it is, they didn't get to finish the match, so speculating on it is pointless.

No excuses please. :) Seems she didn't start showing the effects of her illness until she went down 4-2 in the second.

Saying Vika was ill is just as much as an excuse as saying the only reason Vika won the first set was because Serena was playing badly.


Oh, because that's what it looked like when you said this:

But, you're right, "likely" is not "definitely". :)


That's exactly what I'm saying. The only people here saying definetely are the people saying Serena would have won the match.



First, you only listed two times (one on clay and the other when she had just come back from knee surgery in 2003), but you say many times. They are so few and in between, it's hard to recall exactly I guess.

Secondly, Vika wasn't a set and 5-1 up.

I could list many other times where Serena lost, those two were the first to come to mind. You didn't need to make excuses for them though :lol: but while we're here, I'm not sure knee surgery from mid-2003 was still affecting her atthe end of 2004. And she had beaten Srebotnik on clay before including a bagel at the French Open a few years before.

Apparently, Dave is STILL losing lots of sleep over this AO match. :sad:

The post Denise quouted was from weeks ago, and no as I said before, us Vika fans couldn't care less about the AO match, we have had many highlights since - look which fanbase has been starting these type of threads.

pav
Apr 2nd, 2009, 10:49 PM
Serena probably doesn't remember her. :shrug:
You are probably right, because Serena has always had a huge problem focusing on anyone but Serena!

Sally Todd
Apr 2nd, 2009, 10:52 PM
The bottom line is that Serena won the match.

Still, the TRUTH for anyone honest who watched the match closely was that Vika was beating Serena all the way up until she started having visible signs of feeling sick. The scoreline doesn't reflect that.

On the ESPN broadcast, near the end of the first set, Brad Gilbert started to remark from courtside that Azarenka was breathing heavily and seeming woozy. The box commentators ignored him or dismissed it as heat and nothing else. But you could see Azarenka beginning to move funny between points etc., a state that only got worse and became more obvious during the second set.

Does that mean she would have beaten Serena if she was healthy? No. Does it mean Serena definitely would have beaten her? Nope. The level Azarenka was playing at was higher quality and more focused than any of the people (Peer, Petrova) who pushed Serena in her previous AO win.

Ultimately, though, Serena is the most well-rounded and talented player on tour by far (except for Venus who is close to her). So she could have decided her destiny -- just maybe not so easily. Some days you win and some days you lose. Azarenka lost, Serena won, and all the woulda couldas on either side just reveal favoritism.

I am kind of surprised there are Rena lovers so pissed and out for revenge though. The only legit reason for that would be people shooting their mouths off about Azarenka, which I'm not seeing a lot of. Azarenka is a player just starting to try and make her mark while Serena is an established legend. There's not much reason to treat Vika like some threat right now, even if (a best-case scenario) she establishes herself as a top 3 or top 5 player this year.

I'm glad Vika is playing the winner of the other semi, which might not even be Serena, let us not forget. So many failures in Vika's generation -- at least she's starting to rise to the accept the challenge.

Denise4925
Apr 3rd, 2009, 12:08 AM
So you're saying the match was tied? I never said Azarenka was thumping her, but she was winning the match overall.

I'm saying she wasn't beating her and she wasn't winning the match overall when she was a down a break in the second. If she were up a break in the second, I'd concede that she was beating Serena.

G1Player2
Apr 3rd, 2009, 12:14 AM
I'm saying she wasn't beating her and she wasn't winning the match overall when she was a down a break in the second. If she were up a break in the second, I'd concede that she was beating Serena.

Seriously :rolleyes: People were chomping at the bits that Serena would lose. But, Serena has came back from much tougher deficits than this. Besides that, I admit, Azarenka was playing out of her mind in that 1st set and IMO it caught up with her in the middle of the 2nd set. She put so much effort physically into that 1st set that the illness she had really surfaced itself and exacerbated.

~Cherry*Blossom~
Apr 3rd, 2009, 12:15 AM
The level Azarenka was playing at was higher quality and more focused than any of the people (Peer, Petrova) who pushed Serena in her previous AO win.


Excuse me???? Vika was playing at a higher level that Petrova played in 2007??? Did you not watch the Petrova match? Petrova was playing brilliant tennis and that's how she was able to get to a 6-1 5-3 lead! Vika's tennis wasn't on that level.

BuTtErFrEnA
Apr 3rd, 2009, 12:17 AM
She was the likelier winner due to the scorline. I know me, and most other Vika fans do not feel Vika would definetely have won the match. But I also don't feel Serena winning was any more certain. It's what it is, they didn't get to finish the match, so speculating on it is pointless.



Saying Vika was ill is just as much as an excuse as saying the only reason Vika won the first set was because Serena was playing badly.




That's exactly what I'm saying. The only people here saying definetely are the people saying Serena would have won the match.





I could list many other times where Serena lost, those two were the first to come to mind. You didn't need to make excuses for them though :lol: but while we're here, I'm not sure knee surgery from mid-2003 was still affecting her atthe end of 2004. And she had beaten Srebotnik on clay before including a bagel at the French Open a few years before.



The post Denise quouted was from weeks ago, and no as I said before, us Vika fans couldn't care less about the AO match, we have had many highlights since - look which fanbase has been starting these type of threads.



out of 502 matches go ahead and outline the 87 matches she lost...and then highlight how many to vika...

:yawn: next....

BuTtErFrEnA
Apr 3rd, 2009, 12:19 AM
Seriously :rolleyes: People were chomping at the bits that Serena would lose. But, Serena has came back from much tougher deficits than this. Besides that, I admit, Azarenka was playing out of her mind in that 1st set and IMO it caught up with her in the middle of the 2nd set. She put so much effort physically into that 1st set that the illness she had really surfaced itself and exacerbated.

vika played her ass off and was lucky serena played poorly...pressing so hard and stressing from the very beginning just brought out whatever she had...she was fistpumping from the 1st point so it's obvious she was stressed and knew she had to bring her absolute best...but who cares...as many people like to spout at serena wheneve she retires from a match, "if she was fit enough to step on court she was fit enough to win"...end of...

DOUBLEFIST
Apr 3rd, 2009, 12:34 AM
Some people act like Serena can't lose

:lol: We're just following SERENA'S lead ;) :devil:

Denise4925
Apr 3rd, 2009, 12:34 AM
She was the likelier winner due to the scorline. I know me, and most other Vika fans do not feel Vika would definetely have won the match. But I also don't feel Serena winning was any more certain. It's what it is, they didn't get to finish the match, so speculating on it is pointless.

I'm sorry I don't agree that she was the likelier winner with Serena up a break in the second and with Serena's record of coming back from the brink of disaster at the AO and other GS on several occasions when she's healthy. That's all I'm saying. I never said Serena was certain to win, but I argue the point you make that Vika was likely to win because she took a set off of Serena. :shrug: You can look to Serena's play in this year's Miami to see that it's not necessarily a likelihood that anyone would beat Serena being a set up.

Saying Vika was ill is just as much as an excuse as saying the only reason Vika won the first set was because Serena was playing badly.

I never said that it was an excuse that Serena was playing badly, but anyone who follows tennis knows that any match she plays is up to her whether she wins or loses. Hence, if she's playing badly, its easier to beat her, but not a given. And it is an excuse to say that, but for, her illness she would have won. Serena fans hear all of the time that if something was wrong with Serena then she shouldn't have stepped on the court. Well the same goes for any other player.


That's exactly what I'm saying. The only people here saying definetely are the people saying Serena would have won the match.

Well, I didn't say that. Serena fans are not monolithic in their thinking.

I could list many other times where Serena lost, those two were the first to come to mind. You didn't need to make excuses for them though :lol: but while we're here, I'm not sure knee surgery from mid-2003 was still affecting her atthe end of 2004. And she had beaten Srebotnik on clay before including a bagel at the French Open a few years before.

Since we are here, yes it was and it still does. That's just a fact. And its irrelevant that Serena beat Srebotnik before on clay at the French, because there were a lot of factors involved. One, it was more than a few years before. It was more like 7 years before in 2001.:rolleyes: Two, Serena won the French the very next year in 2002. Three, in 2008 Serena was just getting her game back together and clay is her weakest surface. It wouldn't have happened on hard or grass courts.

The post Denise quouted was from weeks ago, and no as I said before, us Vika fans couldn't care less about the AO match, we have had many highlights since - look which fanbase has been starting these type of threads.

You sure are posting and protesting a lot not to care. Just sayin... :shrug:

DOUBLEFIST
Apr 3rd, 2009, 12:40 AM
... she was winning the match overall.

But how many other girls could have said the very same thing..., and lost. :shrug:

btw,

Welcome back Denise!!!!! :hug: :hug:

Denise4925
Apr 3rd, 2009, 12:44 AM
But how many other girls could have said the very same thing..., and lost. :shrug:

btw,

Welcome back Denise!!!!! :hug: :hug:

Thanks boo. :hug:

Dave.
Apr 3rd, 2009, 12:50 AM
I'm sorry I don't agree that she was the likelier winner with Serena up a break in the second and with Serena's record of coming back from the brink of disaster at the AO and other GS on several occasions when she's healthy. That's all I'm saying. I never said Serena was certain to win, but I argue the point you make that Vika was likely to win because she took a set off of Serena. :shrug: You can look to Serena's play in this year's Miami to see that it's not necessarily a likelihood that anyone would beat Serena being a set up.


Okay, but as I said, we will never know, so it's useless to speculate either way. It's more people on here saying Serena would have won anyway that is the problem.


I never said that it was an excuse that Serena was playing badly, but anyone who follows tennis knows that any match she plays is up to her whether she wins or loses. Hence, if she's playing badly, its easier to beat her, but not a given. And it is an excuse to say that, but for, her illness she would have won. Serena fans hear all of the time that if something was wrong with Serena then she shouldn't have stepped on the court. Well the same goes for any other player.

I disagree. I mean, Serena surely wasn't playing how she did in the final, but Vika was the main factor on the court in that first set. Nobody has that much control over what happens on the court. When people refuse to acknowledge Vika's high level of play and put the outcome of the first set done to Serena playing badly, they are using it as an excuse.




Since we are here, yes it was and it still does. That's just a fact. And its irrelevant that Serena beat Srebotnik before on clay at the French, because there were a lot of factors involved. One, it was more than a few years before. It was more like 7 years before in 2001.:rolleyes: Two, Serena won the French the very next year in 2002. Three, in 2008 Serena was just getting her game back together and clay is her weakest surface. It wouldn't have happened on hard or grass courts.

Going into RG 2008, Serena had won 19/20 matches, I'm not convinced she was just getting her game back together.




You sure are posting and protesting a lot not to care. Just sayin... :shrug:

Vika is one of my favourite tennis players, of course I'm going to protest. I think she's being treated unfairly on here, mainly due to the AO match.

Denise4925
Apr 3rd, 2009, 01:04 AM
I disagree. I mean, Serena surely wasn't playing how she did in the final, but Vika was the main factor on the court in that first set. Nobody has that much control over what happens on the court. When people refuse to acknowledge Vika's high level of play and put the outcome of the first set done to Serena playing badly, they are using it as an excuse.

We can agree to disagree. But, I will say Vika was taking it to her and that's great. She should do that, but if Serena were playing just a notch higher, the scoreline in the first set probably wouldn't be so one-sided. Sure Vika could have still taken the set with the way she was playing, but if Serena's level of play (which had nothing to do with Vika) was a bit higher it may have gone to tie break. I think the heat affected them both. Serena is naturally a slow starter and with the heat, her level of play was quite low. Not taking anything away from Vika, because she came out firing on all cylinders which is what she was supposed to do. I'd just like to see them play again without the terrible conditions and both playing well, so there will be no question in the future and if Vika beats her, she deserves the praise and I will :worship: to her. :shrug:

Going into RG 2008, Serena had won 19/20 matches, I'm not convinced she was just getting her game back together.
I would agree with you on any other surface but clay.

Vika is one of my favourite tennis players, of course I'm going to protest. I think she's being treated unfairly on here, mainly due to the AO match.

I understand, but there are a lot of people on this message board (maybe not you) that said she would have beaten Serena if she had not been sick right after that match and today since she beat Kutzy. As a Vika fan, you should be able to understand that Serena fans would protest that as well.

Enjoyed the debate as usual Dave. I think we've covered everything and I'm satisfied. I hope you are as well. :)

Dave.
Apr 3rd, 2009, 01:29 AM
We can agree to disagree. But, I will say Vika was taking it to her and that's great. She should do that, but if Serena were playing just a notch higher, the scoreline in the first set probably wouldn't be so one-sided. Sure Vika could have still taken the set with the way she was playing, but if Serena's level of play (which had nothing to do with Vika) was a bit higher it may have gone to tie break. I think the heat affected them both. Serena is naturally a slow starter and with the heat, her level of play was quite low. Not taking anything away from Vika, because she came out firing on all cylinders which is what she was supposed to do. I'd just like to see them play again without the terrible conditions and both playing well, so there will be no question in the future and if Vika beats her, she deserves the praise and I will :worship: to her. :shrug:

Serena is the better player now and should beat Vika most of the time they play. It's just we didn't get to see the end of that match. The way Vika started it, considering it was the 4R of a slam and all, was one of her more impressive performances in her young career. It's a shame the retirement caused so much fuss on here, and I can only imagine what the reaction would be towards Vika if she loses to Serena next time they play.



I understand, but there are a lot of people on this message board (maybe not you) that said she would have beaten Serena if she had not been sick right after that match and today since she beat Kutzy. As a Vika fan, you should be able to understand that Serena fans would protest that as well.

Enjoyed the debate as usual Dave. I think we've covered everything and I'm satisfied. I hope you are as well. :)


Unfortunately, most of the people who were saying Vika would have won are not actually her fans. More like people just looking to take away from Serena's AO win. Of course Serena fans are going to be annoyed by it, but in the end we have threads of people quick to hype her and others quick to bring her down, and she's not even inside the top 10.

Yeah, we normally go on for longer than this. :lol: But yeah, I just wish people on both sides would stop about the AO match and realise it was just an unfortunate ending.

Sally Todd
Apr 3rd, 2009, 02:38 AM
Excuse me???? Vika was playing at a higher level that Petrova played in 2007??? Did you not watch the Petrova match? Petrova was playing brilliant tennis and that's how she was able to get to a 6-1 5-3 lead! Vika's tennis wasn't on that level.

Yes, I watched that match. Petrova was playing excellent, as was Vika. But if anything I think Serena was playing better against Azarenka.

Against Petrova Serena was just flat out playing poorly, until Nadia performed one of her patented Petrova Chokeholds on herself and opened the door for Serena to begin playing the kind of tennis that won her the tournament.

MrSerenaWilliams
Apr 3rd, 2009, 03:39 AM
well....we'll get that match-up on Saturday :hearts:

BuTtErFrEnA
Apr 3rd, 2009, 04:13 AM
Yes, I watched that match. Petrova was playing excellent, as was Vika. But if anything I think Serena was playing better against Azarenka.

Against Petrova Serena was just flat out playing poorly, until Nadia performed one of her patented Petrova Chokeholds on herself and opened the door for Serena to begin playing the kind of tennis that won her the tournament.

serena did not play anywhere near better against vika than she did petrova...she sucked huge in both

Sally Todd
Apr 3rd, 2009, 04:24 AM
serena did not play anywhere near better against vika than she did petrova...she sucked huge in both

Yeah, she didn't play well against Azarenka either. But against Petrova, until Petrova did her usual meltdown, she was in loser mode, with a chorus of doubters around her.

It was like Petrova's choke woke her up. Remember, Nadia was talking smack going into that match, too. Nadia was really talented, certainly more gifted as a player than Azarenka so far, but that crazy mind of hers. She's the only player I know who could throw a shit fit after a lost point when up something like 4-0 30-0.

With Azarenka, Serena wasn't playing well, but you didn't get the sense she (Serena) was ever out of it or anything. Especially in the big picture. Serena went into 09 Australia as one of the faves, whereas in 07 everyone was doubting her.

And Azarenka's physical meltdown happened earlier.

I think Serena can give Vika a smackdown if she brings it. But for the sake of the tour I hope Vika puts up a fight.

One curious thing about the whole Azarenka-as-Sharapova Jr. thing is that Serena obviously likes Azarenka a lot more than Sharapova. Who knows how much that might impact her desire to beat her. You always felt like Serena relished kicking Sharapova's ass more than she did whupping any other player.

kiwifan
Apr 4th, 2009, 05:48 PM
Serena probably doesn't remember her. :shrug:

OK, perhaps NOW, she's honestly gotten Mama Smash's attention. :p :angel: :p


Now haters before you anoint her the new savior, let her have a little breathing room to say, win a slam?

.

DownTheLine21
Apr 4th, 2009, 05:51 PM
I would like to see them play at some future point when both are healthy. Their AO/Miami encounters have been disappointing in that regard.

AndreConrad
Apr 4th, 2009, 05:52 PM
I would like to see them play at some future point when both are healthy. Their AO/Miami encounters have been disappointing in that regard.
Who's sick now?

Mashafaaaaan
Apr 4th, 2009, 05:54 PM
Who's sick now?

Serena of course, she is losing.:lol:

DownTheLine21
Apr 4th, 2009, 05:54 PM
Who's sick now?

Serena. She barely moved in this match.

AndreConrad
Apr 4th, 2009, 05:55 PM
Serena. She barely moved in this match.
Is she barely moving, or you think she's sick because she's barely moving, or she communicated she's sick?

socialite
Apr 4th, 2009, 05:57 PM
Karma's a bitch :spit: :haha: :haha:

Proof that if Vika wasn't injured she would have beaten Serena :bounce::bounce:

BuTtErFrEnA
Apr 4th, 2009, 05:57 PM
she has a big thigh strap on the leg she had surgery on :weirdo: wtf...vika didn't communicate she was injured either :rolleyes: or do you think she was sick because she was starting to lose...get real

Dave.
Apr 4th, 2009, 05:58 PM
Well we got the matchup again :hearts:

This shows that winning a set at AO was no fluke and that Vika is a threat to go higher inside the top 10.


Nobody is saying she is the "saviour of the WTA" and nobody is saying she's going to be no.1, so no more threads like this in the future please.



but this doesn't change Serena's awesome run in Melbourne either, so a :weirdo: to those people too.

doni1212
Apr 4th, 2009, 05:59 PM
Well we got the matchup again :hearts:

This shows that winning a set at AO was no fluke and that Vika is a threat to go higher inside the top 10.


Nobody is saying she is the "saviour of the WTA" and nobody is saying she's going to be no.1, so no more threads like this in the future please.

No it doesn't show shit. Vika is good and I admire her but Serena was injured as we all could see. When both are healthy, AO 08 happens, ;)

Dave.
Apr 4th, 2009, 06:02 PM
No it doesn't show shit. Vika is good and I admire her but Serena was injured as we all could see. When both are healthy, AO 08 happens, ;)

:spit: cos Vika is the same player she was in January 08.

Serena was injured here, Vika was ill in Melbourne. Vika won all 3 completed sets they played this year. As I said before, it shows Vika's set in Melbourne wasn't a fluke. It's not that hard to accept.

BuTtErFrEnA
Apr 4th, 2009, 06:05 PM
she won over a serena who could barely serve or move :weirdo: how does that show anything...congrats to vika but come on :worship:

Sally Todd
Apr 4th, 2009, 06:06 PM
Is she barely moving, or you think she's sick because she's barely moving, or she communicated she's sick?

Did you watch the match? :tape: She came out on court with a humungous wrap on her leg, moved sporadically, and regularly pulled up anytime she had to hit a deep backhand.

This thread is nosediving.

AndreConrad
Apr 4th, 2009, 06:09 PM
Did you watch the match? :tape: She came out on court with a humungous wrap on her leg, moved sporadically, and regularly pulled up anytime she had to hit a deep backhand.

This thread is nosediving.
No I did not watch the match, so I asked a question I think legitimate for someone who has not seen it? Why is everyone jumping on it?

Dave.
Apr 4th, 2009, 06:09 PM
she won over a serena who could barely serve or move :weirdo: how does that show anything...congrats to vika but come on :worship:

I am aware of that and yes it was a mis-match if Serena couldn't do anything. But there are plenty of players who would have crumbled still. Serena is ALWAYS dangerous, especially in a final. So yeah I'm proud of Vika for this victory even if Serena couldn't do anything.

Sally Todd
Apr 4th, 2009, 06:10 PM
No it doesn't show shit. Vika is good and I admire her but Serena was injured as we all could see. When both are healthy, AO 08 happens, ;)

I don't know about that. Azarenka is much better than back then, and Serena's serve was off the chain that day.

Serena is the greatest, but Azarenka is capable of beating her. In fact, Vika is going to be a force on clay. She's more natural on or suited to the surface than Sharapova.

That said, Azarenka hasn't even got that far in majors. She's arriving, but her mental game still needs work, and she'll never have Serena's pure brilliance. She might have her own form of great intensity though.

doni1212
Apr 4th, 2009, 06:11 PM
:spit: cos Vika is the same player she was in January 08.

Serena was injured here, Vika was ill in Melbourne. Vika won all 3 completed sets they played this year. As I said before, it shows Vika's set in Melbourne wasn't a fluke. It's not that hard to accept.

Whoever said that Vika's set in Melbourne was a fluke? :weirdo: She won the set fair and square. What everyone was saying was that even though she won the 1st set, that doesn't mean she was winning the match.

Sally Todd
Apr 4th, 2009, 06:12 PM
No I did not watch the match, so I asked a question I think legitimate for someone who has not seen it? Why is everyone jumping on it?

Sorry. :hug: I thought you were on the side of the people who used your question to bash Serena.

G1Player2
Apr 4th, 2009, 06:39 PM
:spit: cos Vika is the same player she was in January 08.

Serena was injured here, Vika was ill in Melbourne. Vika won all 3 completed sets they played this year. As I said before, it shows Vika's set in Melbourne wasn't a fluke. It's not that hard to accept.

Vika won all completed sets because she was healthy in all of them. :weirdo: Serena was injured in both sets today.

serenus_2k8
Apr 4th, 2009, 06:48 PM
I am aware of that and yes it was a mis-match if Serena couldn't do anything. But there are plenty of players who would have crumbled still. Serena is ALWAYS dangerous, especially in a final. So yeah I'm proud of Vika for this victory even if Serena couldn't do anything.

I think Serena is only dangerous with a full set of limbs...No top 10 player should lose to a one legged player regardless.

BlameSerena
Apr 4th, 2009, 06:51 PM
I think Serena is only dangerous with a full set of limbs...No top 10 player should lose to a one legged player regardless.

But people expect Serena to. People expect her to overcome anything. I think it's both flattering and unrealistic at the same time.

BlameSerena
Apr 4th, 2009, 06:54 PM
I am aware of that and yes it was a mis-match if Serena couldn't do anything. But there are plenty of players who would have crumbled still. Serena is ALWAYS dangerous, especially in a final. So yeah I'm proud of Vika for this victory even if Serena couldn't do anything.

And you should be.

It's just crazy that the same folks saying Vika would have won in Oz are saying Serena was going to lose today anyway lol. I find that funny. At least you acknowledge what it is. Still, Vika did what she had to do regardless of what was happening with Serena.

bobbynorwich
Apr 4th, 2009, 08:04 PM
Vika played well, regardless of how Serena did.

BlameSerena
Apr 4th, 2009, 08:11 PM
Vika played well, regardless of how Serena did.

True.

RFSTB
Apr 4th, 2009, 08:20 PM
Azarenka is not even remotely a threat to Sharapova on the endorsement front until she beats Sharapova/Serena resoundingly at a Wimbledon or USO FINAL.

MistyGrey
Apr 4th, 2009, 08:36 PM
:haha::haha:
Guess Serena will remember her now.... ;)

bobbynorwich
Apr 5th, 2009, 03:24 AM
Azarenka is not even remotely a threat to Sharapova on the endorsement front until she beats Sharapova/Serena resoundingly at a Wimbledon or USO FINAL.

I don't know ... cute figure ... going to sell a lot of Nike dresses.

DOUBLEFIST
Apr 5th, 2009, 06:28 AM
Hey, all!

Been out all day. It was my daughter's B-day celebration today. Her B-day was actually last week. Anyhow, congrats to Azarenka.

I heard about the score at the party and can only assume it was going off in here. :lol: Actually, I'm not surprised. Azarenka's form was better than Serena's during this tournament, and from what all CREDIBLE sources are saying, Serena was struggling not only with form, but with injury as well.

I've haven't been a big proponent of players getting Serena's attention without out a win against her, so now I'm willing to say, Azarenka's got Serena's attention. What that means (or what it's worth) we'll see in the future. Personally, I am willing to go on record and say (knowing full well that I'm setting myself up for a crow pie) that Azarenka will NEVER beat Serena again.

Let me repeat. Azarenka will NEVER beat Serena again. PERIOD.

But as I said above, congrats to her she got the win and deserved. She played a hell of a tournament. I am however not surprised.

duhcity
Apr 5th, 2009, 06:56 AM
No it doesn't show shit. Vika is good and I admire her but Serena was injured as we all could see. When both are healthy, AO 08 happens, ;)


You know, that's funny.
As a JJ fan, everytime I bring up JJ's straight-sets win over Serena at AO08, people call me crazy for not acknowledging the fact that Serena was off in that tournament.

So does this mean all of Azarenka-Williams matches have been compromised in some way, and that there hasn't been a "real" match yet?

DOUBLEFIST
Apr 5th, 2009, 07:16 AM
You know, that's funny.
As a JJ fan, everytime I bring up JJ's straight-sets win over Serena at AO08, people call me crazy for not acknowledging the fact that Serena was off in that tournament.

So does this mean all of Azarenka-Williams matches have been compromised in some way, and that there hasn't been a "real" match yet?

I would say, "yes." The last two matches are a wash. Can't wait for them both to be healthy.

No matter what, Azarenka believes now, and that's probably one of the most important factors in competing with Serena. :shrug: It's gonna be interesting. :bounce:

OsloErik
Apr 5th, 2009, 07:16 AM
This is the worst case scenario for Azarenka. She got Serena's attention, without getting a win.

I think this was probably a bit off. Clearly, there was never much love lost between Serena and Sharapova, or Serena and Capriati, but Azarenka is clearly different from those two. She and Serena would probably get along fine in your average social situation; A and B personalities tend to.

Mashafaaaaan
Apr 5th, 2009, 07:42 AM
This is the worst case scenario for Azarenka. She got Serena's attention, without getting a win

Doesn't matter what u think, it's still a win for her. And I'm sure this win will give her a lot of confidence against Serena in their next meetings.

G1Player2
Apr 5th, 2009, 07:44 AM
Doesn't matter what u think, it's still a win for her. And I'm sure this win will give her a lot of confidence against Serena in their next meetings.

Tell that to Sharapova. :lol: After Sharapova beat an injured Serena at the YEC in 2004, Serena didn't lose another match to her. :tape:

Mashafaaaaan
Apr 5th, 2009, 07:52 AM
Tell that to Sharapova. :lol: After Sharapova beat an injured Serena at the YEC in 2004, Serena didn't lose another match to her. :tape:

Like I already said, noone is in Serena's head as Sharapova. Even if Azarenka beat her, there won't be the same rivalry. But of course, Serena will step up against her.

Stamp Paid
Apr 5th, 2009, 07:55 AM
Like I already said, noone is in Serena's head as Sharapova. Even if Azarenka beat her, it's not the same rivalry.How is Sharapova in Serena's head? Besides the fact that she hates her and would rather die than lose to her again :tape:

Mashafaaaaan
Apr 5th, 2009, 08:00 AM
How is Sharapova in Serena's head? Besides the fact that she hates her and would rather die than lose to her again :tape:

Exactly what I mean, I've never seen that before, it's seems Serena is not ALLOWED to lose against Sharapova, I will never forget her comment before Charleston QF, Serena said :"I DEFINITELY SHOULD win against Sharapova".:eek::lol:

Andy.
Apr 5th, 2009, 08:00 AM
How is Sharapova in Serena's head? Besides the fact that she hates her and would rather die than lose to her again :tape:
See thats what I dont get. What did Maria ever do for Serena to (allegedly) hate her so much. Maria has never done anything wrong by Serena nor has she ever said anything bad about Serena. If its as petty as beating her at Wimbledon well its time to get over it.

TennisViewer531
Apr 5th, 2009, 08:13 AM
Congrats Victoria!

Stamp Paid
Apr 5th, 2009, 08:16 AM
See thats what I dont get. What did Maria ever do for Serena to (allegedly) hate her so much. Maria has never done anything wrong by Serena nor has she ever said anything bad about Serena. If its as petty as beating her at Wimbledon well its time to get over it.Maria humiliated her on tennis' biggest stage. Thats reason enough :lol::lol:

OsloErik
Apr 6th, 2009, 12:39 AM
Exactly what I mean, I've never seen that before, it's seems Serena is not ALLOWED to lose against Sharapova, I will never forget her comment before Charleston QF, Serena said :"I DEFINITELY SHOULD win against Sharapova".:eek::lol:

How long have you followed tennis? Because in 2002, Serena absolutely STALKED Jennifer Capriati across the globe. She entered a handful of events she usually opts out of simply to play and beat Capriati. She had to become the dominant figure in that head to head to prove she was the best in the world, and her 8 match win streak against Jen certainly was a major component in her ascent to the top spot. We knew Serena and Venus would have a fairly balanced head-to-head, but the only other slam winner in the two and half years before Serena's #1 breakthrough season was...Jennifer Capriati. Knocking her off was a big deal, and Capriati was significantly more of a thorn in Serena's side than Maria Sharapova.

Pretty remarkable that for the stretch between Roland Garros '00 and '03, three women won every single slam, and they all hailed from the same country. AND, they each spent a fairly small number of weeks at #1, relative to how thoroughly the cleaned house at the big events.

Dan23
Apr 6th, 2009, 12:57 AM
Serena fans are so predictable :lol: why do you even need a thread like this?

Denise4925
Apr 6th, 2009, 08:10 PM
:haha::haha:
Guess Serena will remember her now.... ;)

That may not be something she really wants. :)

DA FOREHAND
Apr 6th, 2009, 08:17 PM
Exactly what I mean, I've never seen that before, it's seems Serena is not ALLOWED to lose against Sharapova, I will never forget her comment before Charleston QF, Serena said :"I DEFINITELY SHOULD win against Sharapova".:eek::lol: it was on clay! Serena is better on clay than Maria. duh

See thats what I dont get. What did Maria ever do for Serena to (allegedly) hate her so much. Maria has never done anything wrong by Serena nor has she ever said anything bad about Serena. If its as petty as beating her at Wimbledon well its time to get over it.

Why should Serena ever want to lose to anyone? why do you believe Serena hates Maria?

serenus_2k8
Apr 6th, 2009, 08:56 PM
See thats what I dont get. What did Maria ever do for Serena to (allegedly) hate her so much. Maria has never done anything wrong by Serena nor has she ever said anything bad about Serena. If its as petty as beating her at Wimbledon well its time to get over it.

The final of a slam is pretty damn important, of course a champion like Ree takes that badly. If she finds a reason to kick Marias ass then great :yeah: Now she just needs to add reasons for the rest of the top players and win the grand slam.

BuTtErFrEnA
Apr 6th, 2009, 09:36 PM
how did maria fans get in this :rolls:

BuTtErFrEnA
Apr 6th, 2009, 09:36 PM
That may not be something she really wants. :)

:rolls: ditto

Craig.
Apr 6th, 2009, 09:37 PM
Maria bashing :tears:

Craig.
Apr 6th, 2009, 09:39 PM
Like I already said, noone is in Serena's head as Sharapova. Even if Azarenka beat her, there won't be the same rivalry. But of course, Serena will step up against her.

Can you try to make sense sometimes? :confused:

Diesel
Apr 6th, 2009, 09:40 PM
Exactly what I mean, I've never seen that before, it's seems Serena is not ALLOWED to lose against Sharapova, I will never forget her comment before Charleston QF, Serena said :"I DEFINITELY SHOULD win against Sharapova".:eek::lol:

Because she should.

debby
Apr 6th, 2009, 09:40 PM
how did maria fans get in this :rolls:

One word :

Mashafaaaaaaaaan :lol: :lol: :lol:

Diesel
Apr 6th, 2009, 09:44 PM
See thats what I dont get. What did Maria ever do for Serena to (allegedly) hate her so much. Maria has never done anything wrong by Serena nor has she ever said anything bad about Serena. If its as petty as beating her at Wimbledon well its time to get over it.

At this point I think Serena is over whatever she gets into when someone beats her. She's beaten Maria soundly at several tournaments, adding slams on the way. I think it's safe to say that Serena just enjoys beating Maria now. But then again I could put in any other tennis player in that sentence and it would be true.

jrollaneres25
Apr 6th, 2009, 09:51 PM
Vika won all completed sets because she was healthy in all of them. :weirdo: Serena was injured in both sets today.


Hey! So this is off topic, I'm HUGE HEROES fan. Micah has come back, but when is Monica coming back?

debby
Apr 6th, 2009, 10:13 PM
Personally, I am willing to go on record and say (knowing full well that I'm setting myself up for a crow pie) that Azarenka will NEVER beat Serena again.

Let me repeat. Azarenka will NEVER beat Serena again. PERIOD.

:spit: Please give me the numbers, I want to be rich :tears:

MrSerenaWilliams
Apr 6th, 2009, 10:15 PM
See thats what I dont get. What did Maria ever do for Serena to (allegedly) hate her so much. Maria has never done anything wrong by Serena nor has she ever said anything bad about Serena. If its as petty as beating her at Wimbledon well its time to get over it.
Wimbledon 2004 :sobbing:, YEC 2004:sobbing:


I have NO idea :shrug:

Uranus
Apr 6th, 2009, 10:18 PM
Serena probably doesn't remember her. :shrug:
http://www.tsr.ch/xobix_media/images/tsr/2009/swisstxt20090128_10253874_5.gif

"Victoria who?"

BuTtErFrEnA
Apr 6th, 2009, 11:15 PM
See thats what I dont get. What did Maria ever do for Serena to (allegedly) hate her so much. Maria has never done anything wrong by Serena nor has she ever said anything bad about Serena. If its as petty as beating her at Wimbledon well its time to get over it.

serena has gotten over it...that's why she's beaten her every time since 04 pretty badly bar 2 matches

AnnaMariaMartina
Apr 6th, 2009, 11:23 PM
Ownage. Love it.

I bet Serena knows her name now.

bobbynorwich
Apr 7th, 2009, 12:12 AM
:spit: Please give me the numbers, I want to be rich :tears:


:yeah:

Denise4925
Apr 7th, 2009, 12:24 AM
:yeah:

What are you agreeing with? What numbers is debby talking about and how will she get rich off of DF eating crow pie? I'm curious because I re-read DF's post and didn't see anything that had to do with numbers and someone getting rich. :confused:

debby
Apr 7th, 2009, 12:57 AM
What are you agreeing with? What numbers is debby talking about and how will she get rich off of DF eating crow pie? I'm curious because I re-read DF's post and didn't see anything that had to do with numbers and someone getting rich. :confused:

He can foresee the future, he has said that Azarenka will NEVER lose to Serena :lol: :lol: so I want to win at Lotto then I am asking him the right numbers ;) I was sarcastic. Everything can happen though. :D

serenaforever
Apr 7th, 2009, 01:06 AM
a ticked Rena is not good for opponents. :D

cause once Ree gets your number, well, you know. :devil:

Zauber
Apr 7th, 2009, 01:07 AM
When Serena beats the other player she beat her fair and square.
When the other player beats Serena she was injured and courageous in defeat.
Will Serena ever show up again healthy against Azarenka? I think she will be taped.
On Saturday Serena beats Venus.
Is Venus so bad that she gets beat by a badly injured Serena? Or perhaps the injury was minor??
The next day Serena by some peoples accounts is badly injured. A one legged player.
So she courageously looses to Azarenka whom she would have destroyed had she been healthy.
The next day Serena jets of the next tournament to play there.
What happened to the injury??
She is being an ambasador to the sport of tennis, fullfilling her comitments.
Of course she has allways been a model of fullfilling her committments.
When Serena wins she is the greatest player who ever lived. When she looses she is injured.

serenaforever
Apr 7th, 2009, 01:10 AM
When Serena beats the other player she beat her fair and square.
When the other player beats Serena she was injured and courageous in defeat.
Will Serena ever show up again healthy against Azarenka? I think she will be taped.
On Saturday Serena beats Venus.
Is Venus so bad that she gets beat by a badly injured Serena? Or perhaps the injury was minor??
The next day Serena by some peoples accounts is badly injured. A one legged player.
So she courageously looses to Azarenka whom she would have destroyed had she been healthy.
The next day Serena jets of the next tournament to play there.
What happened to the injury??
She is being an ambasador to the sport of tennis, fullfilling her comitments.
Of course she has allways been a model of fullfilling her committments.
When Serena wins she is the greatest player who ever lived. When she looses she is injured.

ok first, learn to spell :rolleyes:

secondly, are you with her or against her? first you question whether she was really injured, then you say she's an ambassador for the sport. :shrug:

BuTtErFrEnA
Apr 7th, 2009, 01:14 AM
don't worry cascade...he's wanted to get that off his chest since his hating thread got deleted

Denise4925
Apr 7th, 2009, 01:23 AM
He can foresee the future, he has said that Azarenka will NEVER lose to Serena :lol: :lol: so I want to win at Lotto then I am asking him the right numbers ;) I was sarcastic. Everything can happen though. :D

Oh I see.

Denise4925
Apr 7th, 2009, 01:25 AM
When Serena beats the other player she beat her fair and square.
When the other player beats Serena she was injured and courageous in defeat.
Will Serena ever show up again healthy against Azarenka? I think she will be taped.
On Saturday Serena beats Venus.
Is Venus so bad that she gets beat by a badly injured Serena? Or perhaps the injury was minor??
The next day Serena by some peoples accounts is badly injured. A one legged player.
So she courageously looses to Azarenka whom she would have destroyed had she been healthy.
The next day Serena jets of the next tournament to play there.
What happened to the injury??
She is being an ambasador to the sport of tennis, fullfilling her comitments.
Of course she has allways been a model of fullfilling her committments.
When Serena wins she is the greatest player who ever lived. When she looses she is injured.

That's how you view it (no matter how distorted it may be), but what is your point?

Mashafaaaaan
Apr 7th, 2009, 08:49 PM
serena has gotten over it...that's why she's beaten her every time since 04 pretty badly bar 2 matches

Shut up.

debby
Apr 7th, 2009, 09:04 PM
Shut up.

Why ?

She (or he?) is right.

Mashafaaaaan
Apr 7th, 2009, 09:13 PM
Why ?

She (or he?) is right.

NO she isn't, I'm sure Serena still thinks about this final. Noone kicked her ass in a GS final like Maria did, she can't forget that.:lol:

debby
Apr 7th, 2009, 09:20 PM
NO she isn't, I'm sure Serena still thinks about this final. Noone kicked her ass in a GS final like Maria did, she can't forget that.:lol:

What about Venus? :tape: you use this explanation as an excuse for Maria's loss. Even Justine has not been thrashed two times in a row by Serena after her infamous hand incident :lol: :tape:

Dodoboy.
Apr 7th, 2009, 09:25 PM
This WILL be punished, as i have already said. If Ree doesn't do it in their next match. I WILL!

Mashafaaaaan
Apr 7th, 2009, 09:28 PM
What about Venus? :tape: you use this explanation as an excuse for Maria's loss. Even Justine has not been thrashed two times in a row by Serena after her infamous hand incident :lol: :tape:

For Maria's loss it was the shoulder injury first :lol: and the fact Serena is ALWAYS motivated when she faces her. Anyway, I don't care about these losses, I know Serena will never beat Maria 6162 anymore.:rolleyes:

Volcana
Apr 7th, 2009, 09:34 PM
NO she isn't, I'm sure Serena still thinks about this final. Noone kicked her ass in a GS final like Maria did, she can't forget that.I don't doubt you're sure, but how can you KNOW? 'Sure and wrong' is just as common as 'sure and right', and far more certain of itself. And you seem pretty certain .....

For Serena, that was five years and what, four slam singles titles wins ago? More to the point, the 2007 OZ final was an assassination. You can kill a lot of demons with a beatdown like that. Back it up with Miami 2007, then your siters sails in with basic ally the same level of destruction at Wimbledon ....

Does losing 6-1 in the third on green clay really make anyone forget total humiliation three straight times? Winning might help, but to win, you have to show up on the tour and risk losing.

~Cherry*Blossom~
Apr 7th, 2009, 09:37 PM
For Serena, that was five years and what, four slam singles titles wins ago? More to the point, the 2007 OZ final was an assassination. You can kill a lot of demons with a beatdown like that.

Especially after you make your opponent cry on court :tape:

Volcana
Apr 7th, 2009, 09:52 PM
Especially after you make your opponent cry on court :tape:OTOH, (Retruning to the thread topic), Victoria Azarenka can go to bed thinking,
'You beat me when I was sick, I beat you when you were injured. You show up healthy, I'll show up healthy, and we'll see who kicks who's ass'
Literally NONE of the other active players can think like that. (For Venus, this is her kid sister. The family doesn't let her think like that.) In that regard, it's gotta be nice to be Azarenka. Next time, Serena is gonna show up motivated. But in a very real way, she showed up motivated this time. This is Serena's home court like Wimbledon is for Venus.


If (and this would SUCK) we don't see these two play til Miami next year, and Serena's healthy, I'm gonna bet real money on a double bagel. Serena has a level of cruelty in her Venus doesn't, and Miami is her house. (As Richard said 'Serena's meaner')


But if 'next time' is Stanford, or Los Angeles, or Toronto ....


Three sets, 7-5 in the third. The assumption being Azarenkva isn't a poser, which I'm pretty sure she's not.

Mashafaaaaan
Apr 7th, 2009, 09:54 PM
Especially after you make your opponent cry on court :tape:

Maria moved on, she won OZ one year after(and she crushed everyone):wavey: What about Serena and Wimbledon since 2004?

HRHoliviasmith
Apr 7th, 2009, 10:05 PM
This WILL be punished, as i have already said. If Ree doesn't do it in their next match. I WILL!

:lol: nut

debby
Apr 7th, 2009, 10:29 PM
For Maria's loss it was the shoulder injury first :lol: and the fact Serena is ALWAYS motivated when she faces her. Anyway, I don't care about these losses, I know Serena will never beat Maria 6162 anymore.:rolleyes:

And how do you know? Why it implies a shoulder injury? Why can't you accept the fact Serena THRASHED Pova because she is just better ? Yeah she is better, she hits harder, she has better groundstrokes, better serve, and is tougher mentally.
Pova can win against her but both at their peak, I think Serena wins easily.

Maria moved on, she won OZ one year after(and she crushed everyone):wavey: What about Serena and Wimbledon since 2004?

Give me a break, Maria has only won 2 Slams after that whereas Serena has four Slams since Wimbledon, and too she has a final there (2007) not like Masha who has not been in finals at the All England Lawn... so your statement makes no sense especially Maria did not have to beat Serena to win her last Aussie Open and Serena defeated her in Aussie Open 2007 (so after Wimbledon 2004) so she got it together. Not Maria. Her coach even told her she should believe on herself "she is on your head" or something like that....

bobbynorwich
Apr 7th, 2009, 10:34 PM
This WILL be punished, as i have already said. If Ree doesn't do it in their next match. I WILL!

How? Kneecap Vika?

serenaforever
Apr 8th, 2009, 12:56 AM
:o at the Serena v. Maria garbage

BuTtErFrEnA
Apr 8th, 2009, 01:23 AM
:o at the Serena v. Maria garbage

it's mashaaaafan :weirdo: you could be talking about hitler and he'd find a way to compare maria to hitler :weirdo:

DA FOREHAND
Apr 8th, 2009, 03:25 AM
it's mashaaaafan :weirdo: you could be talking about hitler and he'd find a way to compare maria to hitler :weirdo:

that's too easy

bandabou
Apr 8th, 2009, 12:36 PM
Exactly what I mean, I've never seen that before, it's seems Serena is not ALLOWED to lose against Sharapova, I will never forget her comment before Charleston QF, Serena said :"I DEFINITELY SHOULD win against Sharapova".:eek::lol:

It was on clay man. No top player should lose to Maria on clay. Chill!

bandabou
Apr 8th, 2009, 01:49 PM
Different scenario than Maria vs Serena. Maria actually started to believe that she was better than Serena and that she was the next big icon. BIG mistake...of course it became personal with Serena.

So far Viktora hasn't done that mistake.

BuTtErFrEnA
Apr 8th, 2009, 01:52 PM
maybe she should :rolls:

~Cherry*Blossom~
Apr 8th, 2009, 01:54 PM
it's mashaaaafan :weirdo: you could be talking about hitler and he'd find a way to compare maria to hitler :weirdo:

Marsh wrote a nice piece (a long time ago) doing just that. It was amazing how he did it. It was a really interesting read.

BuTtErFrEnA
Apr 8th, 2009, 01:56 PM
no he didn't...marsh is the most innocent poster on this forum :angel: wouldn't insult even the worse player

~Cherry*Blossom~
Apr 8th, 2009, 01:58 PM
no he didn't...marsh is the most innocent poster on this forum :angel: wouldn't insult even the worse player

:angel:

Bounty Hunter
Apr 8th, 2009, 01:58 PM
This WILL be punished, as i have already said. If Ree doesn't do it in their next match. I WILL!

How? Kneecap Vika?


:lol::lol::lol: That was funny...

Bounty Hunter
Apr 8th, 2009, 02:05 PM
As far as I'm concered, this is not a debatable... Let's wait until they played a totally of 5 matches, then we can debate. :)

misael
Apr 8th, 2009, 02:48 PM
When Serena beats the other player she beat her fair and square.
When the other player beats Serena she was injured and courageous in defeat.
Will Serena ever show up again healthy against Azarenka? I think she will be taped.
On Saturday Serena beats Venus.
Is Venus so bad that she gets beat by a badly injured Serena? Or perhaps the injury was minor??
The next day Serena by some peoples accounts is badly injured. A one legged player.
So she courageously looses to Azarenka whom she would have destroyed had she been healthy.
The next day Serena jets of the next tournament to play there.
What happened to the injury??
She is being an ambasador to the sport of tennis, fullfilling her comitments.
Of course she has allways been a model of fullfilling her committments.
When Serena wins she is the greatest player who ever lived. When she looses she is injured.

Ha!! Great Post , so true.

SU
Apr 8th, 2009, 03:40 PM
do not forget all this cheeks get to fame by beating serena williams, so waite and see what will happen. just ask sharapova.

SU
Apr 8th, 2009, 03:41 PM
Ha!! Great Post , so true.
QUOTE=SU;15373514]do not forget all this cheeks get to fame by beating serena williams, so waite and see what will happen. just ask sharapova.[/QUOTE]

Rumkin
Apr 8th, 2009, 03:45 PM
Marsh wrote a nice piece (a long time ago) doing just that. It was amazing how he did it. It was a really interesting read.

Comparing a tennis player with Hitler is very nice indeed, really classy :weirdo:

Mashafaaaaan
Apr 8th, 2009, 04:07 PM
And how do you know? Why it implies a shoulder injury? Why can't you accept the fact Serena THRASHED Pova because she is just better ? Yeah she is better, she hits harder, she has better groundstrokes, better serve, and is tougher mentally.
Pova can win against her but both at their peak, I think Serena wins easily.

I don't care about peak, it's delusional, we will never know who is the best at her peak, so we better stop.

Give me a break, Maria has only won 2 Slams after that whereas Serena has four Slams since Wimbledon, and too she has a final there (2007) not like Masha who has not been in finals at the All England Lawn... so your statement makes no sense especially Maria did not have to beat Serena to win her last Aussie Open and Serena defeated her in Aussie Open 2007 (so after Wimbledon 2004) so she got it together. Not Maria. Her coach even told her she should believe on herself "she is on your head" or something like that....

Don't, don't, don't. Maria deserve OZ 2008, I don't care if Serena wasn't on her way, it's her problem if JJ beat her, why don't you give credit to Maria? Did I say Serena won US and OA because Maria and Henin aren't around anymore:rolleyes:
About Charleston, her coach even told her she should think she can beat Serena after the first set and she won the second.:shrug:

bandabou
Apr 8th, 2009, 05:03 PM
About Charleston, her coach even told her she should think she can beat Serena after the first set and she won the second.:shrug:

:haha: AFTER she blew the 1st set. :lol: