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jas_aussie
Mar 16th, 2009, 07:08 AM
Just thought I would list matches Sam should have won since 2005 please tell me if I made any mistakes
2005 Gold Coast Final lost to Schnyder 6-1 3-6 5-7. Lead 5-3 third set?
2005 Sydney Final lost to Alicia Molik 7-6(5) 4-6 5-7. Was within 2points at 5-4? in the third set hit the ball straight to Alicia had the whole court open!Would have had match point:sad:
2005 Moscow lost to Safina 6-4 6-7(5) 4-6 lead 6-4 4-0 40-0 second set and 3-0 in final set:sad:
2007 Berlin Open lost to Chakvetadze 6-3 6-7(1) 6-7(5) had match points didnt she?
2008 Wimbledon lost to Vaidisova 2-6 6-0 4-6 had a break in the third set??
2009 Sydney lost to S.Williams 3-6 7-6(4) 5-7 I think everyone knows about this
2009 Dubai lost to Zheng 6-3 5-7 5-7 lead 4-2 point to go up 5-2 in final set
2009 Indain Wells lost to Radwanska 6-3 3-6 5-7 had break in second set

Matches she won that noone thought she would or cam back from nowhere
2007 Rome beat Amelie Mauresmo 7-5 6-7(4) 7-6(7) Amelie had match points :eek:

Like Alicia said Sam needs to learn about Controlled agression. Wish Alicia would coach her!

OZTENNIS
Mar 16th, 2009, 08:51 AM
LOL
Some random matches there.
Take out Hingis, Davenport, '07 GC Safina.
Put in '09 Sydney lt S. Williams (after holding 4 match points), '09 Dubai lt. Zheng (after leadig 4-2 fs with points for 5-2) and '09 Indian Wells lt. Radwanska, supposedly out of form and down on confidence.

jas_aussie
Mar 16th, 2009, 09:07 AM
Sorry got a bit upset after looking at all the matches she had chances in. Will put more matches in tomorrow but she did have chances in thoughs matches

Daniel.
Mar 16th, 2009, 10:37 AM
Serena at Sydney was the worst
Vaidisova at Wimbledon was the second worst

louloubelle
Mar 16th, 2009, 11:16 AM
I actually think her game is more of an issue than her head.
There is no margin for error. The db hander is flat, the forehand so wristy and relies on perfect timing and she doesn't get enough first serves overall. So when it gets tight her game just has to go off just a little and she's in trouble.
A bit more margin for error and even if she gets tight and her game drops off a little she shouldn't throw matches away with so many errors.
But didn't see the Zheng or Radwanksa battles - so unsure how she lost them.
Either way Im not devastated - she's in these matches - hopefully they will fall her way.

Brett.
Mar 16th, 2009, 11:29 AM
Just thought i would list matches Sam should have won since 2005 please tell me if i made any mistakes
2005 Gold Coast Final lost to Schnyder 6-1 3-6 5-7. Lead 5-3 third set?
2005 Sydney Final lost to Alicia Molik 7-6(5) 4-6 5-7. Was within 2points at 5-4? in the third set hit the ball straight to Alicia had the whole court open!Would have had match point
2005 Moscow lost to Safina 6-4 6-7(5) 4-6 lead somewhere there i think??anyone?
2006 Australian Open lost to Hingis 1-6 6-7(8) lead 5-2 in tiebreak should have taken it into third set Hingis was getting very tired!
2006 New Haven lost to Lindsay Davenport 6-7(3) 6-7(7) lead somewhere there i know??
2007 Gold coast lost to Safina 6-7(4) 3-6 had break points or set points in the first set?
2007 Berlin Open lost to Chakvetadze 6-3 6-7(1) 6-7(5) had match points didnt she?
2008 Wimbledon lost to Vaidisova 2-6 6-0 4-6 had a break in the third set??

more to come

She was up 6-4 4-0 40-0 in second set and 3-0 in third set, i do remmeber watching that match

Harvs
Mar 16th, 2009, 12:14 PM
depressinggggggggggggggggg

Ben.
Mar 16th, 2009, 11:36 PM
I actually think her game is more of an issue than her head.
There is no margin for error. The db hander is flat, the forehand so wristy and relies on perfect timing and she doesn't get enough first serves overall. So when it gets tight her game just has to go off just a little and she's in trouble.
A bit more margin for error and even if she gets tight and her game drops off a little she shouldn't throw matches away with so many errors.
But didn't see the Zheng or Radwanksa battles - so unsure how she lost them.
Either way Im not devastated - she's in these matches - hopefully they will fall her way.

Good post.

And I agree with your last sentence, at least she's placed herself in contention in those matches (where she isn't expected to win) - which is better than losing in two easy sets imo.

It's not fun to see Sam lose leads I must admit (and it would of been nice to see her get those wins), but hey at least she's giving it a good old shot.

Golovinjured.
Mar 17th, 2009, 11:03 AM
:bigcry::bigcry:

She'd have to be the biggest choker on the tour?

jas_aussie
Mar 17th, 2009, 11:25 AM
^^^Nah there is worst but to think if she would have won that match against Serena probably would have won Sydney and then would have faced Serena in AO semi and would have been full of confidence!!!!

OZTENNIS
Mar 18th, 2009, 12:50 AM
LMAO

As if she would have won Sydney...
She would probably have made the quarter finals and then lost to Wozniacki. Serena was playing better against her, and Wozniacki pushed her just as much.
And why do you automatically assume that she would have beaten both Dementieva AND Safina (two players she has never beaten before) to win Sydney, THEN go on to make the semi finals at the Australian Open? I think you have too higher expectations of her. She is not in that league.

If Sam is ever going to when a singles title (note, IF) she will win it at an event like Hobart/Seoul. She won't ever win a tournament like Sydney, she was incredibly lucky to make the final in '05 and didn't make the most of her chances.

And she is a bit of a mental case IMO. When she puts herself in a winning position against a top player, she starts thinking too much, rushing too much. That is (I think) when she starts to make mistakes, and use poor shot selection. And she has a dysmal record against the likes of Vaidisova, Dementieva (0-3), Safarova (0-3), Safina (0-3), Petrova (0-3) etc. To me this suggests that she has a poor mentality, not a killer at heart. She has had opportunities to win sets and matches against these players, but blown them with her thinking.

Mr.Kardashian
Mar 18th, 2009, 10:43 AM
relax she is obviously a late bloomer like Alicia with more talent in my opinion. she will be top 15 player within the next 2 years

azza
Mar 18th, 2009, 11:11 AM
2009 :mad: :fiery:

aussie_fan
Mar 19th, 2009, 09:32 AM
I actually think her game is more of an issue than her head.
There is no margin for error. The db hander is flat, the forehand so wristy and relies on perfect timing and she doesn't get enough first serves overall. So when it gets tight her game just has to go off just a little and she's in trouble.
A bit more margin for error and even if she gets tight and her game drops off a little she shouldn't throw matches away with so many errors.
But didn't see the Zheng or Radwanksa battles - so unsure how she lost them.
Either way Im not devastated - she's in these matches - hopefully they will fall her way.

I agree with that but I still think it's much more to do with the head, as zac said above, she always tends to rush when things gets closes, too quick between points, easy sign of she's struggling mentally. That volley against Serena was a shot she would make every time, she wa sthinking she already won and complted duffed the volley. She's so beat mentally right now, it's not pretty.

We'll see how she does in miami.

jas_aussie
Mar 19th, 2009, 12:54 PM
Please Sammy dont lose any matches at Miami!!!!!!!!

SilverPersian
Dec 12th, 2012, 11:54 AM
If Sam is ever going to when a singles title (note, IF) she will win it at an event like Hobart/Seoul. She won't ever win a tournament like Sydney, she was incredibly lucky to make the final in '05 and didn't make the most of her chances.



:oh:

Sinclair
Dec 12th, 2012, 11:43 PM
And it would seem that if OZTENNIS is ever going to win the Nostradamus Tennis Predictions Award, he/she will need a new crystal ball. :)

aussie_fan
Dec 17th, 2012, 10:22 AM
It is a pretty funny post but plenty of people would of belived the same thing at that time (I know I would of). That was even before her first french semi, she hadn't had a great record in bigger tournaments before then.

SilverPersian
Dec 17th, 2012, 10:29 AM
Yeah, you're right. I might have very well thought the same thing at that time. It's funny reading it in retrospect - but I'm not trying to be mean to OZTENNIS (if you're still around) :)

bertisonline
Jan 16th, 2013, 06:19 AM
AO, R2 — Stosur Vs. Zheng.
A match Sam “should have won. B.

stromatolite
Jun 3rd, 2013, 05:24 AM
I think we have to add Saturday's loss to this list. Sadly, I think every single one of her RG losses in the last 4 years belongs on this list. Admittedly Fran played a blinder in that final, but Sam should still have been able to find a way to win that match.

The last three losses were just terrible though. It's probably no exaggeration to say that Sam should have at least 2 RG titles by now, maybe 3.:bigcry:

OZTENNIS
Aug 10th, 2013, 12:20 PM
Yeah, you're right. I might have very well thought the same thing at that time. It's funny reading it in retrospect - but I'm not trying to be mean to OZTENNIS (if you're still around) :)

I just read this

All I can say is...

:tape: :help:

redpinkboxes
Feb 11th, 2014, 10:54 AM
THIS IS GONNA BE QUITE LONG. I'm only commenting on matches from 2009+ because thats when I've began to become a fan. Didn't know she was Doubles No.1 before then either LOL. So I chose the Top 5.


2009

Sydney R1 - Serena Williams 6-3 6-7 7-5

Australian Open R3 - Elena Dementieva 7-6 6-4

Dubai R2 - Jie Zheng 3-6 7-5 7-5

Indian Wells R2 - Agnieska Radwanska 3-6 6-3 7-5

Ponte Vedra Beach R1 - Caroline Wozniacki 6-3 6-7(4) 6-1

Madrid R2 - Anna Chakvetadze 1-6 6-2 7-6(4)

French Open SF - Svetlana Kuznetsova 6-4 6-7(5) 6-3

Los Angelas Final - Flavia Pennetta 6-4 6-3

New Haven R2 - Elena Vesnina 3-6 6-3 6-4

U.S Open R2 - Vania King 7-5 6-4

Beijing R1 - Alize Cornet 6-4 4-6 6-3

Bali RR - Maria-Jose Martinez Sanchez 7-6(4) 7-5


2010

Hopman Cup RR - Sorana Cirstea 3-6 6-4 6-3

Dubai R1 - Tathiana Garbin 3-6 6-2 7-6(4)

Miami QF - Kim Clijsters 6-3 7-5

Stuttgart Final - Justine Henin 6-4 2-6 6-1

4 French Open Final - Francesca Schiavone 6-4 7-6(2)

Eastbourne SF - Ekaterina Makarova 7-6(5) 7-5

Wimbledon R1 - Kaia Kanepi 6-4 6-4

U.S. Open QF - Kim Clijsters 6-4 5-7 6-3

Beijing R1 - Anastasija Sevastova 2-6 7-6(5) 7-5

Osaka QF - Kimiko Date-Krumm 5-7 6-3 7-6(4)

Doha RR - Elena Dementieva 4-6 6-4 7-6(4)

Doha SF - Kim Clijsters 7-6(3) 6-1


2011

Sydney R2 - Svetlana Kuznetsova 3-6 6-3 6-4

Australian Open R3 - Petra Kvitova 7-6(5) 6-3

Fed Cup, AUS-ITA
RR - Francesca Schiavone 7-6(1) 3-6 7-5
RR - Flavia Pennetta 7-6(5) 6-7(5) 6-4

Dubai QF - Jelena Jankovic 6-3 5-7 7-6(4)

Indian Wells R3 - Dinara Safina 7-6(2) 6-4

Charleston R3 - Elena Vesnina 6-4 6-1

Stuttgart SF - Julia Goerges 6-4 3-6 7-5

Madrid R3 - Anastasia Pavlyuchenkova 7-6(4) 6-3

Rome Final - Maria Sharapova 6-2 6-4

French Open R3 - Gisela Dulko 6-4 1-6 6-3

Wimbledon R1 - Melinda Czink 6-3 6-4

Stanford R2 - Sabine Lisicki 6-3 7-5

Tokyo R2 - Maria Kirilenko 6-2 4-6 6-4

Beijing R2 - Maria Kirilenko 7-5 1-6 7-5

Istanbul SF - Petra Kvitova 5-7 6-3 6-3


2012

Australian Open R1 - Sorana Cirstea 7-6(2) 6-3

Indian Wells R3 - Nadia Petrova 6-1 6-7(6) 7-6(5)

Miami R4 - Serena Williams 7-5 6-3

1 Stuttgart QF - Maria Sharapova 6-7(5) 7-6(5) 7-5

Madrid QF - Lucie Hradecka 7-6(8) 7-6(6)

Rome R3 - Venus Williams 6-4 6-3

3 French Open SF - Sara Errani 7-5 1-6 6-3

's-Hertogenbosch R1 - Kirsten Flipkens 7-6(7) 6-3

Wimbledon R2 - Arantxa Rus 6-2 0-6 6-4

London R1 - Carla Suarez Navarro 3-6 7-5 10-8

Montreal R3 - Lucie Safarova 7-6(9) 7-6(5)

Cincinnati QF - Venus Williams 6-2 6-7(2) 6-4

2 U.S. Open QF - Victoria Azarenka 6-1 4-6 7-6(5)

Beijing R2 - Julia Goerges 7-6(2) 4-6 7-5

Tokyo SF - Nadezda Petrova 6-4 6-2

Osaka SF - Kai-Chen Chang 6-4 4-6 7-6(3)

Moscow Final - Caroline Wozniacki 6-2 4-6 7-5

Istanbul RR - Sara Errani 6-3 2-6 6-0


2013

Brisbane R1 - Sofia Arvidsson 7-6(4) 7-5

Sydney R1 - Jie Zheng 6-3 6-7(7) 6-4

5 Australian Open R2 - Jie Zheng 6-4 1-6 7-5

Fed Cup, CZE-AUS
RR - Petra Kvitova 2-6 7-6(3) 6-4
RR - Lucie Safarova 7-6(6) 7-6(4)

Dubai QF - Roberta Vinci 6-2 6-4

Indian Wells QF - Angelique Kerber w/o

Madrid R1 - Carla Suarez Navarro 7-6(7) 6-2

Stuttgart R1 - Jelena Jankovic 6-4 6-4

Rome QF - Victoria Azarenka 6-4 1-6 6-3

French Open R3 - Jelena Jankovic 3-6 6-3 6-4

Eastbourne R2 - Lucie Safarova 7-6(5) 6-3

Wimbledon R3 - Sabine Lisicki 4-6 6-2 6-1

Cincinnati R3 - Simona Halep 6-4 4-6 6-2

U.S. Open R1 - Victoria Duval 5-7 6-4 6-4

Beijing R1 - Lucie Safarova 7-5 6-3

Tokyo R3 - Lucie Safarova 6-4 6-4

Moscow Final - Simona Halep 7-6(1) 6-2

Sofia RR - Ana Ivanovic 6-2 5-7 6-2

Sofia Final - Simona Halep 2-6 6-2 6-2


2014

Hopman Cup
RR - Agnieszka Radwanska 3-6 6-4 6-3
RR - Flavia Pennetta 6-4 6-4
RR - Eugenie Bouchard 4-6 6-2 6-3

Australian Open R3 - Ana Ivanovic 6-7(8) 6-4 6-2

stromatolite
Feb 11th, 2014, 12:03 PM
The thing about Samís losses is what your criterion is.

If itís simply about playing really really badly and getting beaten by an opponent she should have beaten easily, itís hard to go past Duval at the USO and Zheng at the AO last year. Rus at Wimbledon 2012 would rate pretty high on that list as well, as would Errani at the 2012 YEC.

If you are talking about missed opportunities, then the losses to the two Italians at RG would have to be pretty much at the top of the list, even though Sam by no means played badly against Schiavone. Her level dropped a bit and Fran played the match of her life. It was hard to take, but by no means the choke a lot of people have made it out to be. The loss to Errani in the 2012 SF was particularly hard to stomach because Sam did play badly to gift Sara the win. I would also rate the 2010 USO QF against Clijsters pretty highly as a huge missed opportunity. Kim herself said after the match that she had no idea how she won.

I wouldnít rate the 2012 QFs in Stuttgart and the USO as bad losses. They were heartbreaking, but Sam did very little wrong to lose either match. I would even rate them among the very best matches sheís ever played.

aussie_fan
Feb 19th, 2014, 06:40 AM
I think last night's effort can be included.

azbang
Mar 13th, 2014, 12:06 PM
Cant remember if it was Alicia Molik or Sam actually i think it was Alicia but i think she was down 0-6 0-5 to Patty Shnyder at indian wells or miami and she won lol

bertisonline
Mar 13th, 2014, 04:32 PM
Maybe a thread we should open in parallel: "Matches Sam SHOULD have lose!!”.
An example: Doubles when Sevta is admirably losing her serve one set and an half with such a natural stance Vs. a B team.
Note: no offense, I’m always happy when Sam is winning, but Truth is also to be said.
B.

bertisonline
Apr 4th, 2014, 01:46 AM
Charleston R3. Match Vs. Safarova. Without any doubts.
B.