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ASTRID
Sep 2nd, 2002, 04:48 AM
Jelena Dokic has ruled out playing the Australian Open for at least five years, saying it's not worth it.



Dokic, 19, says she has no regrets about turning her back on Australia last year to play for her native Yugoslavia following a series of run-ins with Tennis Australia officials.

And while she enjoyed living in Australia for seven years, Dokic did not think she would play the Australian Open again.

"I don't think I will. It's not a priority but I don't think I'll ever be going back there," Dokic said after her first round US Open win over German Greta Arn today.

"I don't know what's going to happen in five years, but not right now, no.

"It is a Grand Slam, but I can do without that one. After everything that happened, that I had there, I don't think it's worth going back and playing the Australian Open."

Tennis Australia invested an estimated $500,000 in Dokic's development after her family emigrated from the former Serbia in 1994.

But she accused Tennis Australia officials of rigging the draw for the Australian Open in 2000 and announced she would no longer represent Australia after drawing Lindsay Davenport in the first round in 2001.

Despite describing playing at the Sydney Olympics for Australia as one of her career highlights, Dokic and her family left Australia last year - moving first to the USA and then to Belgrade.

Dokic's father Damir has indicated that a move to Great Britain may be in the cards.

But Dokic said she would continue to represent Yugoslavia.

"I think I've made up my mind who I'm playing for," she said.

Australia's top-ranked women's player Nicole Pratt said Dokic no longer spoke to the Australian players.

"It's disappointing, very disappointing. But we all move on, I guess," Pratt said.

Dokic said she had not talked to her father about the possible move to London.

The decision is taking a back seat to her preparations for the remainder of the tennis season.

"The decision hasn't been made - definitely not now and not any time soon," Dokic said.

"I'm definitely not going to think about that now. It's not a priority."

Having Belgrade as a home base is fine with Dokic, who admits she is seldom anywhere long enough to call it home.

"I love going there," Dokic said of Belgrade.

"Every time I have been there it has been great. I'm not there that much. I'm not in one place much at all. I don't have anywhere I really live."


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GeeeeZZ its a Grand Slam she should be there and happy to play it's time to put the past behind her and play for the Fans.

Crazy Canuck
Sep 2nd, 2002, 04:55 AM
It isn't like she is the first player to duck out of the Australian Open.

I don't agree with the practice, but Agassi among others used to do it.

MinskLynx
Sep 2nd, 2002, 05:00 AM
I like that she sticks to her principles.

Sam L
Sep 2nd, 2002, 05:21 AM
What she needs is more experience in GS matches not less. But whatever suits her.

CellJr300
Sep 2nd, 2002, 05:25 AM
As a Dokic fan, I don't like the fact that she is going to be skipping one of the Slams every year, but what's done is done, and I'm sure she'll manage to keep on winning without plaing in Australia.

Dawn Marie
Sep 2nd, 2002, 06:31 AM
I respect her decision and commend her for sticking to her guns. I think the draw that year wsa rigged as well. Hell I think all the slam draws are rigged. I mean come on this is tennis were talking about. And with tennis is politics and with that along comes money.

Go Jelena!

nysaga
Sep 2nd, 2002, 06:34 AM
Like anyone cares if Dokic plays in Australia. She and her family are ungrateful @sses. The thing about not speaking with Australian players is silly and dumb.

FS
Sep 2nd, 2002, 07:03 AM
it's Jelena's loss, not the Oz Open tournament. Surely, this GS could continue successfully without her presence.

ASTRID
Sep 2nd, 2002, 07:13 AM
i agree FS well said

irma
Sep 2nd, 2002, 07:23 AM
I hope she has better reasons as this draw thing.
because then I have another reason to doubt her mind but then it's her life, I doubt the organisators cry about her not being there!

FS
Sep 2nd, 2002, 07:27 AM
Jelena seems to complain a lot like for example not being able to play center court (martina navratilova instead played on the center court). If you believe in yourself, no matter which draw you're in, you're gonna emerge the winner of the tournament.

MinskLynx
Sep 2nd, 2002, 07:42 AM
Her absence certainly isn't helping the Slam, to look at it differently.

MinskLynx
Sep 2nd, 2002, 07:43 AM
I wonder that if she won the French, Wimbledon, and the US if she would play it and go for the Slam.

FS
Sep 2nd, 2002, 07:51 AM
I can't see her winning any of the slams with that attitude of hers.

mn73
Sep 2nd, 2002, 08:10 AM
Playing your best tennis at the same time as the Williams sisters are playing theirs means you need to have four chances a year to win a Slam not three. Plus the Aussie Open is the one that the Williams sisters have not yet mastered (til next year though I guess!).

Larrybid
Sep 2nd, 2002, 08:20 AM
What principles? The Principle of paranoia? I fail to see what purpose would be served by the Aussies intentianally giving their best female player a bad draw. What shes likely really mad at is that they didn't rig the draw, when they saw it was not favorable to her (kind of like Haas cussin' out his coaches for not cheating for him). I was willing to believe that it was her father that was the head case - appearently she is also afflicted.

FS
Sep 2nd, 2002, 08:27 AM
must be genetic principles then.;)

JC2002
Sep 2nd, 2002, 08:39 AM
its a great loss for her skip Oz open, it the only time that tennis greats are in aus, i loved watching AO this year. its sad the way she feel about Australia, did we really treat her that bad? shes always been one of my favourites, im disapointed i wont ever get a chance to see her play live.:sad:

AUSBOY
Sep 2nd, 2002, 08:41 AM
This article just proves that she is more f**ked up right now than we thought! Late last year she said she would skip the Aust Open for a year and was still on very good terms with the Aussie players, even wishing them luck with Fed Cup. I don't understand why she would suddenly stop talking to the Aussie Girls! This statement seems really bizarre I can't understand it!

I think she holds an enormous amount of guilt and regret in her father dragging her out of Australia. I don't think she ever wanted to leave! She is a very messed up girl now. She's been hitting out at everyone, even her dad for not attending her events and not coaching her as much as she wants.

I mean if she is going to keep this slagging going about Australia I think her citizenship should be removed and her passport taken back. Maybe some legal action can be taken to recourate the $1 million Australian dollars spent on her!

As an Australian it hurts when she denounces our country Slam especially when we did so much for her. She only left due to one geriatric journalist!

Viva
Sep 2nd, 2002, 08:55 AM
Like we'd want her!

ASTRID
Sep 2nd, 2002, 09:32 AM
lol @ larrybid I totally agree !

King Aaron
Sep 2nd, 2002, 09:53 AM
:( Jelena is sticking to her word..

2284
Sep 2nd, 2002, 10:36 AM
Originally posted by Rebecca
It isn't like she is the first player to duck out of the Australian Open.

I don't agree with the practice, but Agassi among others used to do it.

Yeah, then Agassi played the open one year, loved the tournament, won the tournament and has kept comming back since

2284
Sep 2nd, 2002, 10:39 AM
Originally posted by Mark Newman
Plus the Aussie Open is the one that the Williams sisters have not yet mastered (til next year though I guess!).

Only because they were both injured and had to pull out

2284
Sep 2nd, 2002, 10:41 AM
Originally posted by AUSBOY
Maybe some legal action can be taken to recourate the $1 million Australian dollars spent on her!


That would be nice...then it could be spent on a young Australian player who actually intends to play Fed. Cup for Australia

Gallofa
Sep 2nd, 2002, 10:42 AM
It takes much more corauge to state that you had been wrong and to ask for a second opportunity than to "stick to your words" or "your principles" ...if you can call that "principles" that's it.

I see absolutely no reason for her bad blood towards the Australian Open. Those guys invested 0,5$ million on her, making it possible for her to be who she is now. She wouldn't be here weren't it for people who believed in her back then. What she's doing, amongst many things, is being deeply ungrateful. Spit on the hand that fed her and her family, why not?

Where does all this nonsense come from? Preparation taking a seat back? noooo, it is sanity that is taking a back seat to all this stuff from Jelena...

2284
Sep 2nd, 2002, 10:43 AM
Originally posted by Dawn Marie
I respect her decision and commend her for sticking to her guns. I think the draw that year wsa rigged as well. Hell I think all the slam draws are rigged. I mean come on this is tennis were talking about. And with tennis is politics and with that along comes money.

Go Jelena!

There is a player present when the draws are done. They are never rigged

irma
Sep 2nd, 2002, 10:51 AM
as said before here Jelena was the number 1 played in Australia, they spend a lot of money in her on the disadvantage of the other players. why would they give her a bad draw?
Maybe she(or her father) asked if the draw could be rigged but the organisation refused so they started to say the opposite?
I would not be suprised if something like that is behind all this!

Hulet
Sep 2nd, 2002, 11:09 AM
I don't think the reason Jelena is going back to the AO is not only b/c she was given some bad draw at this particular slam in the past. It has more to do with how she and her family is treated by the australian media - during AO, one or more newspapers carry some negative articles about her. Even this year, when she didn't participating in the tournament, there was a big uproar b/c damir was featured on the commercial for one of the car manufacurers (I forgot which). So, I understand her decision not to go back there b/c, if I were treated ( or percieve that I was being treated) by the australian media this badly, I would never set my foot in the country too.

Hulet
Sep 2nd, 2002, 11:12 AM
Okay, here is her last post match-interview at the AO - I think it gives an excellent description about her decision not to partcipate in AO anymore, about the australian media and about the crowds attitude in her match: (it's long but it's worth posting it here):

AUSTRALIAN OPEN 1ST RND: (2) DAVENPORT DEF DOKIC
Lindsay Davenport def. Jelena Dokic 4-6 6-4 6-3
(January 15, 2001)

Q. Richard, channel 7. How did it feel walking out there today? There was a mixed reception for you?

JELENA DOKIC: Yeah, it did. I think it was actually quite okay. I mean it's something I've had to deal with, and I think I did well. You know, they clapped my good points and her good points. I think it's always going to be tough playing Lindsay because she's a crowd favorite everywhere. I mean, she's one of the best players in the world.

Q. You must have expected mixed reception of sorts?

JELENA DOKIC: Yeah, I did. I mean, I actually think it was quite good in ways. I expected a lot worse, but I actually didn't let it bother me at all, whatever it was going to be. And I think mentally, I was very good out there today.

Q. You say you were expecting it to be a lot worse, yet the Australian public have always been behind you.

JELENA DOKIC: Yeah, they have. I mean, like I said, you know, it was quite good, and whatever it was going to be, I was going to try and deal with it. That's what you've got to do. And I think I did pretty well.

Q. Do you stand by your decision to represent Yugoslavia?

JELENA DOKIC: Yes. Right now. And I haven't thought about it any further.

Q. Your dad was on television just before you walked out on court saying that regardless of the outcome of tonight's match you were likely going to withdraw from the tournament. Is that true?

JELENA DOKIC: I didn't see that. I don't know that that was -- that comment was made, and, you know, I probably would have gone out there and played. I don't know, I didn't think about it. You know, I didn't win today and that's something I don't have to consider now.

Q. So you had not discussed that with your father then?

JELENA DOKIC: Like I said, I didn't know that that was on tonight. I didn't know about that.

Q. So you knew it was going to be on, but not necessarily tonight?

JELENA DOKIC: No, I didn't know anything. No.

Q. How difficult has it been for you the past few days?

JELENA DOKIC: It's been okay. I mean I've dealt with it fine. I've practiced and gotten ready and, you know, I think I'm more, you know, concerned with how I'm playing right now than anything else. And, you know, that's what I'm happy with. I've done well in Hong Kong and even out there today, you know, it was tough to break her serve. But to get close to, you know, No. 2 player in the world - I think she's probably one of the best out there right now - it feels really good because I lost to her a lot easier the last time we played. I'm very confident of my tennis right now.

Q. You said before you were standing by your decision to stand by Yugoslavia right now. Do you think it's a possibility it might change?

JELENA DOKIC: No, like I said. I haven't thought about that. I'm playing for Yugoslavia right now. That's the end of that.

Q. What does it offer you that Australia doesn't?

JELENA DOKIC: That's where I was born, that's where I'm from. It was just a decision we made and we're standing by it right now.

Q. It may just be the Australian media, could be Tennis Australia as well, but the fact is a lot of the Australian public have supported you. What do you say to those that have supported you for the last few years?

JELENA DOKIC: You know what, there's just been so many people that have stood by me, even out there today. I'm grateful for that. I think a lot of people don't sort of understand some of the things, but I think they will stand by me no matter what my decision is because I've played for Australia for quite a few years. I've always done well in Fed Cup, the Olympics and Hopman Cup as well. It's something that they respect, and I think they probably are still hoping that I'm going to come back and play for Australia. But I think I have a lot of crowd support everywhere I go, especially in Australia.

Q. Your dad has said that he doesn't get on to well with the Australian media. Is it all the media? Is it portions of the media? If it's just a segment of the media, isn't that going to happen in any country?

JELENA DOKIC: I don't know. I mean, there's been a lot of things written about my dad and also then about me and my family, which -- just things that aren't right. We've been assaulted by the media a lot and I think he feels very strongly about that and he's not very happy with what has been written, especially in the last few months.

Q. There's been a lot of positive things written about you and your tennis.

JELENA DOKIC: There has been. I think it should be, because I've done well. But then on the other hand, even though I've done well, there have been a lot of things written that weren't right and that shouldn't be written -- shouldn't have been written.

Q. Did you hear the crowd getting quite -- gave you quite a warm reception, a send-off when you were leaving after the match. You didn't acknowledge it. What was the reason for that?

JELENA DOKIC: Well, I think I was, you know, it was the match more than anything. Disappointment. But I don't know, I think it was still a very, very mixed crowd and it was -- I don't think I knew what to do because I just thought maybe I should just leave it and not do anything because, you know, there were people that were going for me. There were people that were going for Lindsay. It was a tight match. But, you know, like I said, there were a lot of people that were supporting me, and that's great to see.

Q. You said your father feels very strongly about the negative media coverage. Do you feel as strongly about all these issues as he does?

JELENA DOKIC: Actually about the media, I do. I think, you know, I haven't been here that much but I have seen a few articles that, again, I don't think they should be -- should have been written. And it just isn't right after, you know, I've played for Australia for a long time and did well every time I've played for Australia and I've beaten world-class players playing in team events for Australia. I just, you know, some of the things that have been written I'm not happy with.

Q. What is it that's wrong that you want to clear up? The stuff that's been printed or said about your father, what about it is wrong?

JELENA DOKIC: Every time something came up, they've always attacked him. There was never positive things written about my dad or about me and my family, especially in the last couple of months. A lot of people telling us that, you know, they don't want me to play for Australia and that I don't belong here, which I don't think is right after everything I have done. But, again, there's always something negative written, you know, even when there are positives.

Q. Sandra Harwitt from the United States. Don't you think kind of when you take on this role of being a celebrity and everything, sometimes it just happens that way and you really can't control what's written and plenty of stars, some actors and actresses, have put up with it and don't pay attention to it because you can't control it.

JELENA DOKIC: Well, yeah. I know, but I have been -- I really have been written about in a really negative way. That's why my dad feels really strongly about that. I'm starting to feel the same way. But then again, hopefully that will clear up and hopefully all of this will be behind me and then, you know, like I said, just then I'm going to try and concentrate on my tennis.

Q. I know you're planning on moving to the United States, to Florida. What kind of relationship are you planning to have with Yugoslavia and the public and the tennis community there?

JELENA DOKIC: Well, I'm a resident. I'll be a resident both of Florida in the States and Yugoslavia. I'll have residence in both of those places, and I'll just be representing Yugoslavia. And I think, you know, I'll also be residing there.

Q. Nicole Pratt said she would be supportive, she and several other players would be supportive. Has she managed to talk to you at all?

JELENA DOKIC: No, I haven't talked to too many players. It's been really just a day or two. But, you know, I know that a lot of players will be supportive, and, you know, that's great that I can get support from the players and that they understand what type of situation I'm in.

Q. Do you think you'll be playing in Australia again?

JELENA DOKIC: It's something, again, I mean there are only a couple of tournaments in Australia at the beginning of the year and something that I haven't thought about. It hasn't been discussed about. But, you know, we'll see.

Q. You've lived here the majority of your life that you remember. Are there good memories at all?

JELENA DOKIC: Definitely. I've lived here for a long time. I love Australia and Australians. I've always said that. I've always encouraged that, and the support that they give me. I have never been against anybody or anything in Australia or about Australia. I've always said that. You know, I have never said anything bad about that. I've really enjoyed being here.

Q. This is a lot to handle for someone as young as yourself?

JELENA DOKIC: I think it is. I think I've had quite a bit of it. I think what makes me, in a way, stronger, I think I'm mentally strong and try and block things out. I think a lot of players would, you know, under the circumstances, would just, you know, crush and playing out there would just not be able to handle it. I'm very happy with myself in that regard. And like I said, I am able to concentrate on the tennis.

Q. Was your father watching the match at your hotel? What was he doing tonight?

ENA DOKIC: I don't know. I don't think so.

Q. He wasn't watching?

JELENA DOKIC: No.

Q. Do you know precisely when you will be moving and what are your expectations of life when you get there?

JELENA DOKIC: I've already been practicing there. I've already bought a place there and have been there since last year and I'll be going straight after this tournament again. There are tournaments in the States after this.

Q. Will you go this week or tomorrow?

JELENA DOKIC: Well, I still have doubles and mixed. So we'll see how that goes. And then I'll go there because there are some tournaments coming up. I'm not playing too much before April, but, you know, which is going to be quite tough. That's why I started well in Hong Kong and wanted to do well here as well, and I was very disappointed with the draw and -- but, you know, it's something I have to get past.

BritneySpearsIsHot
Sep 2nd, 2002, 11:39 AM
I still find it hard to understand the problem, surely it's her choice? If anyone is 'missing out' it's her?

Marcelo Rios says he won't play Wimbledon because grass is for cows but i've never heard a great debate on him. It's because it's Jelena that's all

Well done Jelena for sticking to your beliefs

TS
Sep 2nd, 2002, 11:51 AM
We still talking about this?

zzzzzzzzzzzzz

Here was her draw in 2000....

Kuti Kis in round 1....Hrdlickova in round 2....Kournikova in round 3...yes it was rigged :rolleyes:

ASTRID
Sep 2nd, 2002, 11:57 AM
I don't think draws can be rigged either

Beat
Sep 2nd, 2002, 12:03 PM
Originally posted by ASTRID
Australia's top-ranked women's player Nicole Pratt said Dokic no longer spoke to the Australian players.
"It's disappointing, very disappointing. But we all move on, I guess," Pratt said.

jelena is becoming more and more pathetic.

veryborednow
Sep 2nd, 2002, 12:24 PM
I think it'll be good for Jelena, lets face it, it'll be the only break from tennis she'll have all year :p

Jay
Sep 2nd, 2002, 12:32 PM
Ok, just to show all those posters who are pissed at me regarding the current context of the front page jelena-online (and I will make a full detailed reply in a day or 2 regarding my motivations) I am going to make this post which defends Jelena just to show you that I'm not all bad.

Now I don't have any proof of what I am going to tell you is true or not (and that's why I didn't publish it when Damir asked me to) but I did have a conversation with Damir regarding this Australia business and Damir was very convincing.

Now there is no doubt that the respective tennis authorites do 'help' the draw for their own players for the early rounds . For example Tim Henman always seems to get a cushy path at Wimbledon up until about round 4. Although in the case of AUS Open the draw may be computer generated, as you all know a computer can be made to show some bias depending on how you program it or even in what order you input the raw data.

So when the computer threw up the 1st round tie of Davenport/Dokic the Dokics were quite pissed that as Oz's #1 player they didn't get a little 'help' from the guys who inputed the data.

Damir confronted a Bart Maguire (that might be Burt Maguire) who is/was on the board of Tennis Australia. Damir basically said that Tennis Australia didn't want to help Jelena because she was an immigrant (hmm most Australians are immigrants or descended from immigrants).

Anyway, apparently Maguire did not deny any of Damir's accusations and just gave him a knowing smile. Maguire then said to Damir something along the lines of "Look, I'll tell you what we'll do, we'll have a board meeting and we'll see if we can do anything so that this sort of thing doesn't happen again"

TA did have a board meeting and the seeding system was changed. I can't remember the details but I think they changed the draw from 16 seeds to 32, something like that. I'm sure some of the AUS posters could research exactly when this change in the seeding of the Aus Open took place, but I am in no doubt it was as a result of Damir's meeting with Maguire.

I also believe that Damir was correct in that TA did show a 'reluctance' to promote/help Jelena when she broke into the top 50 and I suspect that this was mainly due to a clash of strong personalites between Damir and some of the key people who were sitting on the board of TA. It is my opinion that the Dokic's were justified in having some issues with TA but as usual I think Damir handled it very badly (trying to blackmail them with change of nationality etc.)

And as usual Jelena was caught in the middle of this dispute and is still suffering from it by harming her career by only playing 3 of the 4 slams. I did approach Ljijana and Jelena at Wimbledon with a view to making some sort of peace with Australia and I'm afraid they were indifferent to that proposal. The problem was not Tennis Australia but the media over there and they won't forgive them.

Without a doubt certain sections of the Australian media did behave outrageously towards them. Some of the articles they wrote were pure frabrication (see Herald Sun tape scandal) and a lot of articles that attacked the Dokics were written in the first person (i.e a journalist offering his own personal opinion of what he thought of them) and they simply lacked any objectivity. It was truly shocking journalism and you have to hold the editors responsible as well because it's thier job to....well edit the articles to make sure that the content of what they print is fair and objective.

Only a couple of months ago there was a nasty personal attack against Jelena in the Aus Press regarding her 'ridiculous match' comment at Eastbourne. It was full of hate and venom and there was nothing objective about the article. It was also published with this drawing:

http://jellyworld.freewebspace.com/jelena-d.jpg

ASTRID
Sep 2nd, 2002, 12:38 PM
lol @ veryborednow

the cat
Sep 2nd, 2002, 12:49 PM
Dissapointed in Dokic! I am very dissapointed in Jelena Dokic. I like her alot. But her attitude, schedule and tank jobs are starting to frustrate me! :mad: She is a fine player who plays too many tournaments. And that has resulted in her woeful efforts this summer. Especially against Rubin and Bovina. And we all know how lame her political views are!

And her decision to skip Australia again is appalling! The WTA Tour and the ITF should suspend her for it! She's a star and she's not supporting the tour. And after all Tennis Australia did for her. What an ingrate!

And Jelena actually has an outside chance to win the Australian Open. Go figure.

All she ever had to do was to be polite and say thank you to Tennis Australia for helping her over the years. But that she wants to become a Yugoslavian citizen. If she said that, people would have forgiven her. But she ended up criticising Tennis Australia. Bad move. And she doesn't even have the guts to back back there to play tennis. I am very dissapointed in Jelena.

LOL @ Dawn! Rigged draws? Right, this is Pro Wrestling! ;)

Megan, that wouldn't be a grand slam. Only winning the Australian Open first, then the French Open, Wimbledon and the U.S. Open constitutes a grand slam.

I hope Jelana can sort things out and get moving in the right direction again.

irma
Sep 2nd, 2002, 12:53 PM
Damir confronted a Bart Maguire (that might be Burt Maguire) who is/was on the board of Tennis Australia. Damir basically said that Tennis Australia didn't want to help Jelena because she was an immigrant (hmm most Australians are immigrants or descended from immigrants


how is that possible when they spend so much money on her, or is that only a myth? :o

SM
Sep 2nd, 2002, 01:58 PM
.All she ever had to do was to be polite and say thank you to Tennis Australia for helping her over the years. . everythings a conspiracy against the Dokics

Damir claiming she didnt receive sponsorship cos shes an immigrant:rolleyes:. What was he thinking.

and what was with the lame excuses earlier this year that she was tired and wanted a break, that it was too far to travel etc?...and now its gotten to the stage where shes snobbing the Aussies and not coming for about 5 more years or so if at all down under again? :confused:

Jay
Sep 2nd, 2002, 02:17 PM
Originally posted by irma
Damir confronted a Bart Maguire (that might be Burt Maguire) who is/was on the board of Tennis Australia. Damir basically said that Tennis Australia didn't want to help Jelena because she was an immigrant (hmm most Australians are immigrants or descended from immigrants


how is that possible when they spend so much money on her, or is that only a myth? :o


No it's not a myth, although I do think that some of the figures being quoted by the AUS media were exaggerated.

I did hint that the relationship was never great between TA and the Dokics due to a clash of strong personalites between Damir and some members of the board of TA.

The immigrant accusation (amongst others) is what Damir stated (and I'm not saying he is correct on that) but he could hardly say that TA wasn't helping Jelena because they thought he was an arsehole.

TA did give the Jelena plenty of support for her development (that is irrefutable) but they were wrong to let her father's attitudes influence their treatment of her when she started to climb up the rankings. This opinion might seem contradictory when I give my reply regarding the current front page on the Jelena site in a day or 2, but that is a completely different situation which has bigger issues then tennis draws.

mishar
Sep 2nd, 2002, 02:20 PM
that stuff about rigging the draw is ridiculous. if you believe that, you'd believe anything.
And the change from 16 to 32 seeds did happen that year -- but it happened at all the slams, both for men and women. I support that change whole-heartedly, but I doubt Damir Dokic had anything to do with it.
And sure the Australian media was unfair, but reporters can be nasty bastards in any country. Look at what Seles, Graf, Hingis, Williams (both) and Capriati have had to put up with. It's the price of fame.
Anyway Jelena started all the bad publicity by referring to Rita Kuti Kis as "not a player" -- which was a pretty unsportsmanlike remark, about as bad as I've heard. Before then she was the darling of Australia.

BritneySpearsIsHot
Sep 2nd, 2002, 02:47 PM
And still the Anti-Dokic threads continue

moon
Sep 2nd, 2002, 02:54 PM
who cares?
it's not like she was gonna win anyway.

MinskLynx
Sep 2nd, 2002, 06:19 PM
Moon, at number 4 in the world she has more of a chance to win than all but about 3 women tennis players in the entire world.

The princples I referenced to are that she is uncomfortable with playing in Australia. For whatever reasons she feels that way, she is not going to play for the money or the points. She is presenting herself as an intrinsically strong person to allow her beliefs to preside over her decisions.

I am from Belarus, most of my life has been spent living in America. Not nearly the scale of Jelena's criticism of course, but I have been criticized for my decision to remain loyal to my country of birth and pride. Jelena is from Yugoslavia, if she feels that she is more Yugoslav than Aussi, the decision is hers. Just as I have always felt Belarussian, Soviet back in the day but the birth of Belarus as a republic was about the time I could make meaningful conciencous decisions. But basically it is probably a lot easier for me to empathize with Jelena since I have been in similar situations. I support her all the way.

Conventionally it is proper that if someone, or something like Tennis Australia, has helped you so much that you remain loyal and thankfull to them. Think about that though when they have helped you, that you don't feel right about the situations for whatever reasons and are no longer as happy as you could be. Should you as a person, as a family, remain unhappy, unpleased, maybe even miserable, just because it is convention to feel indebted? Or should you do what makes you happy?

BritneySpearsIsHot
Sep 2nd, 2002, 06:31 PM
I don't agree with people changing nationalities anyway. Rusedski is Canadian, Navratilova Czech etc etc in my book

Not that if Jelena was Aussie, Yugo, Brit or Alien would change my mind on her anyway

Cybelle Darkholme
Sep 2nd, 2002, 06:46 PM
Don't you guys Damir has the mental grip stranghehold on his daughter? she's nothing but his tool and plaything. If he cared about her he wouldn't reduce her to tears after every conversation.

she needs to dump her father and cut the cord.

Dawn Marie
Sep 2nd, 2002, 06:52 PM
Prove to me that the draws are not rigged? Just because a person is in the room, doesn't mean a damn thing. They could have the computers rigged.

Hell this 2002 US Open's draw was stacked and rigged.

Get real, how many times does a country women who is new to the tour almost always face a top player. This occurs in ALL slams. When Monique Viele or another top junior make their debut, I betcha a dollar they will face a top seed. The draws are rigged so we(the fans)get to watch a potential exciting match between a top junior and a seed.

Laura Granville pulled Hingis last year. Safina, just so happend to pull Serena. yeah right! And don't get me started on Corina just so happend to pull Serena in the first round. Which was a night match and the opening night.It was planned that way. So the tennis world could hear Corina's story. GET with it people! Chanda Rubin always on the same side as a Williams. Yeah right. Lindsay back from injury and her draw just so happened to be cakewalk. Whatever people. You can all go on believing that tennis is all good and fair, but I am not going to believe that. Politics are involved in tennis. Oh and don't even get me started on the Hewitt and Blake rematch. They were set to face off in the 3rd round for a reason. LOL

Tennis and the draws are RIGGED. Prove to me that they are not. Becuase from what I see they are.

BritneySpearsIsHot
Sep 2nd, 2002, 06:53 PM
She does need to breakaway, but it must be hard for her to dump someone she loves.

We don't know who's decision this is and we don't know why she cries.

AmErIcAn
Sep 2nd, 2002, 07:49 PM
Im glad Jelena is sticking up for what she believes. Shes a top girl :D

the cat
Sep 2nd, 2002, 08:30 PM
Wonderful post Megan! :D I didn't realize you had been criticised for remaining loyal to your Belarus/ Soviet roots! I guess that has helped form your very strong character! :)

moon
Sep 2nd, 2002, 08:35 PM
Megan, I think you've been watching tennis long enough to know that just because Jelena is the 4th ranked player, doesn't mean she is the 4th best player out there. or maybe not.

MinskLynx
Sep 2nd, 2002, 09:12 PM
I know, really I think there are groups of players that on any given day can beat eachother. Jelena is hypothetically the fourth favorite, and to not sound so strict on that I said about 3 players. But you are right, ranking is just an approximation.

ASTRID
Sep 3rd, 2002, 12:14 AM
Jelena needs to grow up, and change her attitude. now come on not talking to other Aussie players ? whats what happened got to do with them ?

MinskLynx
Sep 3rd, 2002, 04:01 AM
About the draws being rigged, I want everyone to read this so its going in bold and caps.

DON'T THINK THE DRAWS ARE IMPOSSIBLE, OR ARE NOT, RIGGED. I COME FROM A COUNTRY WHERE THE PRESIDENTIAL ELECTIONS ARE FIXED. IT WOULDN'T BE HARD TO RIG A LITTLE TOURNAMENT DRAW.

kiwifan
Sep 3rd, 2002, 05:02 AM
I agree that the draws are rigged.

I think they are generally rigged with entertainment value in mind (see Dawn Marie's examples) but then there's the competitive advantage thing.

In an objective pairing of the top 64 (for example) players in anything, it's not hard to slip player #55 to #56 in order to make the hot young rookie have to play against Venus early thus maximizing the hot young rookie's exposure.

If the hot young rookie is English, I would expect Wimbledon to make that "adjustment". Same for US players in the Open, Aussies in Aussie, etc.

I'm sure that's one of the top factors to Richard keeping the Sisters in seperate tourneys while Serena was up and coming (and a likely 2nd or 3rd round Venus opponent).

If I was running a tourney, I too would have stuck Serena in Venus' half just to get the "Sister Act" publicity.

Now that it's top 32 seeds, it's a little tougher to arrange things "up top" otherwise I'm sure the USTA would have kept Momo out of JCap's draw.

Should be a interesting match for JCap.

CoryAnnAvants#1
Sep 3rd, 2002, 05:19 AM
I agree that often the draws do seem sketchy but lets face it, Corina never had the kindest GS draws to begin with, particularly at the Open (Graf in 98, Davenport the following year, Serena this year.) Don't they pick the names out of a hat though? Also, didn't they have NYC police officers pull out a few names, as well as the likes of Billie Jean King? Are they really going to go a police officer and say "Whoever you pick plays Serena. Now, Corina's name is the first name in the hat on the far left. Pick THAT name. If you don't pick it, just say Corina Morariu anyway.":rolleyes: If it is found out that GS draws are rigged, I wouldn't be entirely shocked. But they certainly put an awful lot of work into rigging them if thats the case.

Richie77
Sep 3rd, 2002, 05:24 AM
Re - rigged GS draws: I used to think that was ridiculous, but after seeing some of the first-round matches at this year's Open, I wonder. Also, it's always really convenient how the top 4 players never seem to get truly tough players in the first couple of rounds of a Slam.

A thing that makes you go hmmmm....

MinskLynx
Sep 3rd, 2002, 05:31 AM
For this topic of draws I am going to start a new thread.

CoryAnnAvants#1
Sep 3rd, 2002, 05:34 AM
You're right Indy. The top players do get easy draws the first two rounds thanx to the schmucks that invented the 32 seed format. Grand Slams couldn't bear the thought of seeing a top star going out early. Guess what though? 32 seeds are not, you will still have a challenger level field in the round of 16 on the mens side. (save for 3 or 4 names) And if you think that that top players will lose to the likes of Ai Sugiyama and Tatiana Panova in round 1. think again. The only possible scenario I could see is 1 or 2 people between 8-16 going out in the first round at most. The precious top stars will stick around regardless. You don't need to pit them against WC's, qualifiers, upcoming juniors, or a player just coming back after overcoming leukemia to ensure that.

ASTRID
Sep 3rd, 2002, 07:03 AM
good idea start another thread

Lord Chips
Sep 3rd, 2002, 07:47 AM
I was born in England but spent most of my life living in another country (New Zealand). In contrast to the Dokic family, I got on well with New Zealanders, love the country and the way of life there. I now live in england and no longer am a Passport holder of New Zealand. But I still feel a like a New Zealander as I prefer that country to England.

In Jelena's case she felt more Yugoslav then Australian and decided to represent Yugoslavia. Fair enough.

To the Aussies who still critise her for doing so, answer this: How could she have given 100% for Australia in the Fed Cup if she didn't feel Australian?

BTW, Kiwifan, You missed Dougie Howlett of your list!

Shane54
Sep 3rd, 2002, 10:19 PM
Would someone explain how the draw is rigged? When the draw is pulled out of a hat? That is totally absurd. If Jelena's ranking would have been high enough she would not have had to face Linds in the first round. Why would Australia want to rig the draw for "their star" to lose first round. Damir is nothing but a crazy lunatic. Oh, and Ms. Dokic really won't be missed anyway there. "Miss Perennial Pre Quarters Grand Slam Loser"
She scared to show up and face the Australian people and Federation who have "wasted" their time and money on her.

AUSTRALIA YOU ARE DA BOMB!!
Rock on Aussie Open!!!

MinskLynx
Sep 3rd, 2002, 10:31 PM
She scared to show up and face the Australian people and Federation who have "wasted" their time and money on her.

I can't deny that 100%. If that is true though, can you blame her?:)

BritneySpearsIsHot
Sep 3rd, 2002, 10:35 PM
:rolleyes:

Dunno what the fuss is all about. I don't want to eat mushrooms - my choice, Jelena doesn't want to play Oz - her choice.

No-one is forced to play anywhere are they?

kiwifan
Sep 3rd, 2002, 11:00 PM
[i]BTW, Kiwifan, You missed Dougie Howlett of your list! [/B]

Ha ha, good call.

I am still waiting to see if Jeff Wilson will give up this cricket nonsense.

I hate baseball, so cricket???

I have a major place in my heart for the guys who were in South Africa for that World Cup.

Other than the match against France (shocker), Umunga (sp) is all right too.

If my Goldie wish can't be granted, Howlett will do just fine.

ASTRID
Sep 4th, 2002, 12:41 AM
I agree Shane54

Aussie Open Rocks !!!

2284
Sep 4th, 2002, 12:48 AM
Originally posted by ASTRID
Jelena needs to grow up, and change her attitude. now come on not talking to other Aussie players ? whats what happened got to do with them ?

Maybe Jelena just cracked the shits after losing to Molik

bello
Sep 4th, 2002, 02:18 AM
This girl is just incredibly immature and her family could have delt with the matter better at the time and then maybe there wouldnt be any pride in her way. Cos it is quite obviously a matter of pride, not "sticking to her guns".

2284
Sep 4th, 2002, 02:26 AM
More like a matter of fear. Most Australians don't hold grudges, but we don't forget either...and considering that she has continued to hang shit on our country, she's unlikely to get a lot of support here

MinskLynx
Sep 4th, 2002, 02:28 AM
Considering she doesn't plan on playing in Australia, that doesn't matter for the time being. Maybe it does matter actually, I would be sad or somewhat upset of a whole country didn't like me, especially a country I used to call home.

Rachel
Sep 4th, 2002, 02:40 AM
Originally posted by Jay


http://jellyworld.freewebspace.com/jelena-d.jpg

:D lol

oh boo hoo jay

2284
Sep 4th, 2002, 02:40 AM
Megan, would you turn against a country that you used to call home? Did Jelena ever really call Australia home?

Rachel
Sep 4th, 2002, 02:41 AM
Originally posted by Megan
Considering she doesn't plan on playing in Australia, that doesn't matter for the time being. Maybe it does matter actually, I would be sad or somewhat upset of a whole country didn't like me, especially a country I used to call home.

The whole country didn't hate her ... not until her and her dad CARRIED ON ... the whole of Australia doesn't hate her ... but most do :p lol ... no i don't know ... but I'm not a fan!!!

Rachel
Sep 4th, 2002, 02:43 AM
Originally posted by untitled2284
Megan, would you turn against a country that you used to call home? Did Jelena ever really call Australia home?

Good post

MinskLynx
Sep 4th, 2002, 02:44 AM
Given reason I would turn against the country. I don't think anyone really knows what happened, assuming something(s) did.

She played for Australia, I certainly would think she called it home if nothing else superficially.

Most do...yes, I imagine they do Rachel. I feel sad for her.:sad:

2284
Sep 4th, 2002, 02:44 AM
Thanks Rachel. It's good to know that I'm appreciated :)

Rachel
Sep 4th, 2002, 02:46 AM
I don't know then, how she could just turn her back on her home over some apparent media vendetta against her :rolleyes:

2284
Sep 4th, 2002, 02:46 AM
Originally posted by Megan
I feel sad for her.:sad:

I used to feel sad for her, but she is now old enough to support herself and publically make her own decisions

jd4eva
Sep 4th, 2002, 04:52 AM
'I used to feel sad for her, but she is now old enough to support herself and publically make her own decisions'

That is what she has done. She has made the decision not to go to Australia and being an Australian I am very sad that she has made that decision however I would make the same decision if my family was treated the way hers was.

Richie77
Sep 4th, 2002, 04:55 AM
I feel sad for her, too. Even though she is old enough to be on her own, she is still letting her dad call the shots.

2284
Sep 4th, 2002, 04:55 AM
What bad treatment of her family? Everyone keeps saying that her family were badly treated here. I need examples!

Lord Chips
Sep 4th, 2002, 06:21 AM
Originally posted by kiwifan


Ha ha, good call.

I am still waiting to see if Jeff Wilson will give up this cricket nonsense.

I hate baseball, so cricket???

I have a major place in my heart for the guys who were in South Africa for that World Cup.

Other than the match against France (shocker), Umunga (sp) is all right too.

If my Goldie wish can't be granted, Howlett will do just fine.

Somehow I doubt Goldie will give up his Black Cap dream. In fact I heard he was considering it as far back as the 1999 world cup.

Please don't mention that France match. I was at Twickenham that day and it was just awful. I still haven't fogiven Taine and Merthens for pratting about when Galthie put in that chip for Dominici

Anyway Dougie will be around for a long time. He is the best player Auckland have got and not having any players in the AB's squad hurts!

BTW it's Umaga

Jay
Sep 4th, 2002, 07:46 AM
Originally posted by untitled2284
What bad treatment of her family? Everyone keeps saying that her family were badly treated here. I need examples!

Everytime the Aus media wrote personal attacks like the one that I described with that drawing, the Dokics used to get verbal abuse thrown at them by people in the street. However Ljijana told me that the worst aspect was the treatment of Jelena's little brother who got bullied and so on at school.

ASTRID
Sep 5th, 2002, 04:13 AM
i agree with you indyrichie i feel sorry for her

kiwifan
Sep 5th, 2002, 04:48 AM
"BTW it's Umaga"

Yeah, I knew I was butchering the name (thus the "sp" note).

I've followed a lot of Sevens the last few years. I was in Argentina for the 7's World Cup (Lomu up close, a dream come true), did the 1999 and 2000 Hong Kong 7's (even played in the Hong Kong Tens for a Kenyan club (the Nondies). I play in the backs in the states but I'm built like Keith Wood so in 10's or 7's I hook well. I saw the Commonwealth 7's in Manchester (I am soooo broke now). Last year I did the last two matches of the Lions Tour in Aussie.

Oh well since it's a WTA board, I'll conclude with WELLINGTON!!!

and BATH (my nod to Americans in the UK playing).

Austin Healey is by far my favorite Brit player (Robinson is a far distant second).

Healey talks trash like a Yank!!! Gotta love him.

Ps. Dokic, blah blah blah, play where ever you want.

MinskLynx
Sep 5th, 2002, 04:55 AM
Ps. Dokic, blah blah blah, play where ever you want.

On that note, Tanner is the best!:bounce:!:bounce:!:bounce:!:bounce:!

LucasArg
Sep 5th, 2002, 05:10 AM
I respect Jelena. I think she is very mature for a woman at her age.

Go Jelena:wavey:

kiwifan
Sep 5th, 2002, 05:22 AM
Originally posted by Megan


On that note, Tanner is the best!:bounce:!:bounce:!:bounce:!:bounce:!

:cool: :cool: :cool:

I guess there are worse fates than being followed by a "Tall Blonde Lady from Belarus" who is encouraging me to follow "a cute little Georgia Peach" tennis player.:kiss:

So what's Tanner's schedule look like (when is she headed back to/out to California again)?