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jrollaneres25
Feb 24th, 2009, 12:15 PM
2000
http://images.encarta.msn.com/xrefmedia/sharemed/targets/images/pho/3640c/3640c5cf.jpg
2001
http://www.venustennis.com/wim0114.jpg
2005
http://i.a.cnn.net/si/2005/writers/jon_wertheim/07/04/wimbledon.50/p1_venus_0704.jpg
2007
http://orvillelloyddouglas.files.wordpress.com/2007/07/venus-now-a-4-time-wimbledon-champion.jpg
2008
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3064/2638621077_1d914cb822_o.jpg

At the All England Club, they have reserved the right to seed players however they want, because grass is such a special surface and is only played mostly in one month out of the year.

Venus got a boost in her seeding in 2007, but it wasn't much; and she won the whole tournament. 2008, Wimbledon went according to the rankings, and Venus was seeded 7th, and she still won.

Now 2-time defending and 5-time Wimbledon Champion(the most decorated grass court player of this generation) has a chance to repeat. Do she deserve to be seeded NUMERO UNO?


2003
http://images.teamtalk.com/08/06/800x600/Wimbledon-Greats-2003-Roger-Federer-3_957623.jpg
2004
http://www.ruggedelegantliving.com/a/images/2004.Wimbledon.Champ.Federer.jpg

2005
http://cache.boston.com/bonzai-fba/Third_Party_Photo/2005/12/20/1135105859_4352.jpg
2006
http://english.peopledaily.com.cn/200607/10/images/0710_B04.jpg
2007
http://images.teamtalk.com/08/06/800x600/Roger-Federer-Wimbledon-2007-Winner_962204.jpg

As for Roger, he has been in the last 6 Slam finals at SW-19, winning five of them(IN A ROW!!). The shock loss last year to now #1 Nadal was a blow to his plan of passing Bjorn Borg's 5 in-a-row. Roger, being the clear dominate force on grass, will he maintain his #1 seeding?

http://i.a.cnn.net/si/2005/writers/jon_wertheim/11/22/mailbag/p1_venus_federer_1122.jpg
http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/0etM1D16kB5gz/610x.jpg



http://www.racquetsportsindustry.com/2008/07/07/Wimbledon-Poster_VENUS.jpg
http://www.racquetsportsindustry.com/2008/09/10/08USOpen-Poster_Federer.jpg

Slutiana
Feb 24th, 2009, 12:17 PM
Maybe number 2, after Serena. :shrug: Considering how great a grasscourter Serena is too...

new-york
Feb 24th, 2009, 12:19 PM
no, and i don't think they should move her up.
that made sense when she was ranked very low but i don't like when seeds don't correspond to the rankings.

i'd like for her to be seeded 2 if Serena's seeded 1 though.

goldenlox
Feb 24th, 2009, 12:19 PM
Nadal has never been seeded 1 at FO where he's never lost a match

ElusiveChanteuse
Feb 24th, 2009, 12:19 PM
Venus will win FO and some other events and then be #1 ranked just after French Open and then she'll be #1 seed.:worship:

volta
Feb 24th, 2009, 12:25 PM
Nadal has never been seeded 1 at FO where he's never lost a match

RG never changes the seeds they base them on rankings, yet Wimbledon does at times :shrug:

anyway no she won't, i think they will follow the rankings (i believe/hope she be very inside the top 5 till then so don't think they will)

AcesHigh
Feb 24th, 2009, 12:29 PM
She'll be seeded #2 and there's no excuse she shouldnt be.

No way she should be seeded #1 unless she wins RG and a couple of other titles beforehand (which I think is VERY unlikely). You can't put someone ahead of a player who is holding 2 slam titles and reached the Wimby final last year.

pwayne
Feb 24th, 2009, 12:31 PM
No but the All England Lawn & Tennis Club should seed her number 2 only if Serena is still number 1. If Serena is not number 1, Venus should remain at her WTA ranking if she is above 5 or 6.

tennnisfannn
Feb 24th, 2009, 12:40 PM
If she is in the top 4 it is very likely she will be seeded 2 if serena is 1, there is no way they can bump her ahead of serena.

Volcana
Feb 24th, 2009, 12:45 PM
At the All England Club, they have reserved the right to seed players however they want, because grass is such a special surface and is only played mostly in one month out of the year. Forget the 'because'. They're the all England Club and they do whatever they want.
Venus got a boost in her seeding in 2007, but it wasn't much; and she won the whole tournament. 2008, Wimbledon went according to the rankings, and Venus was seeded 7th, and she still won.

Now 2-time defending and 5-time Wimbledon Champion(the most decorated grass court player of this generation) has a chance to repeat. Do she deserve to be seeded NUMERO UNO?No.

If she's #3, They might move her up to #2. And if she's #5, I expect to see her moved up to #4. This is, essentially, what they did with Steffi Graf and Lindsay Davenport in ... dang. What year in the late 90's was that?

Anyway, I can see a one spot move happening, if it gets her to a higher 'level'. #9 to #8, #5 to #4, #3 to #2. But they didn't move her last year, so I don't expect a #7 to #4, #5 to #2 kind of move.

Anyway, I'm way more interested in where Mauresmo and Sharapova get seeded. Sharapova may not even be seeded on her ranking, if she doesn't play, and do well at, Indiam Wells.

Dave.
Feb 24th, 2009, 12:51 PM
I think when they do change the seedings, they only base it on the last couple of years anyway, so the fact she won it 5 times is not relevant as some of them were a long time ago.

I think if she is going to be bumped up, it should be at least top 4.

jrollaneres25
Feb 24th, 2009, 12:51 PM
So even though she is 2-time defending champion, she should still be #2 or lower? Even though she took out Serena last year?:confused:

In The Zone
Feb 24th, 2009, 12:52 PM
#2 seed. Her only ranking can only go up from its current #5. She will probably be #4 after RG. Wimbledon will want to serve its best interests and bump Venus to 2.

It was not necessary to bump Venus last year since they were both in the same interval [5-8] and a SF was the earliest possible meeting.

Sam L
Feb 24th, 2009, 12:55 PM
If she is in the top 4 it is very likely she will be seeded 2 if serena is 1, there is no way they can bump her ahead of serena.
I agree. It's not simply about numbers. It's about the draw and the possibility of match ups between players. There are many factors at play, so it's too early to predict what's going to happen.

vwfan
Feb 24th, 2009, 01:13 PM
Doesn't matter where she is seeded. Venus has proved that at Wimbledon at least, rank is irrelevant. I hope that she will have moved into the top four by then at least though, so that she and Serena won't have be able to meet at least until the semis.

BTW, the one time she was seeded #1, she lost.:sad:

Dexter
Feb 24th, 2009, 01:13 PM
Venus vs Serena QF :drool::devil:

Anyway Venus has a pretty good chance to reach top4 before Wimbledon if she decides to do something noteworthy on clay.

TomTennis
Feb 24th, 2009, 01:24 PM
Forget the 'because'. They're the all England Club and they do whatever they want.
No.

If she's #3, They might move her up to #2. And if she's #5, I expect to see her moved up to #4. This is, essentially, what they did with Steffi Graf and Lindsay Davenport in ... dang. What year in the late 90's was that?

Anyway, I can see a one spot move happening, if it gets her to a higher 'level'. #9 to #8, #5 to #4, #3 to #2. But they didn't move her last year, so I don't expect a #7 to #4, #5 to #2 kind of move.

Anyway, I'm way more interested in where Mauresmo and Sharapova get seeded. Sharapova may not even be seeded on her ranking, if she doesn't play, and do well at, Indiam Wells.

Agreed. She won't be given number 1 unless she is ranked number 1 before the draw.

They will only move her if it changes her seed if it means a change in 'level' or 'seed bracket', like Volcana explained above.

Kworb
Feb 24th, 2009, 01:31 PM
Last year they stopped using a formula to determine the seeds and simply went by ranking. I doubt they will go back to the formula.

olympus28
Feb 24th, 2009, 01:42 PM
it doesn't matter

tennisbum79
Feb 24th, 2009, 01:46 PM
For me, what is important is that Venus and Serena are seeded in opposite sides of the draw.

champion88
Feb 24th, 2009, 01:51 PM
Serena was bumped up in 2004 to #1 seed when she was ranked something like #7 at the time, so bumping Vee up to #2 would nto surprise me at all

2Black
Feb 24th, 2009, 02:01 PM
Venus will win FO and some other events and then be #1 ranked just after French Open and then she'll be #1 seed.:worship:

Dont we all wish :lol:

SAEKeithSerena
Feb 24th, 2009, 02:43 PM
depends on if she's top 3 or not and where serena is at that time and depending on RG resuls.

if serena wins her third slam in a row (the french open), then she'll be seeded number one regardless.

AnnaK_4ever
Feb 24th, 2009, 02:57 PM
Serena was bumped up in 2004 to #1 seed when she was ranked something like #7 at the time, so bumping Vee up to #2 would nto surprise me at all

Techincally Serena was #3, that was her protected ranking. And since Henin (#1) and Clijsters (#2) both withdrew Serena was the co-highest ranked player in the draw along with actual #3 Myskina.

DA FOREHAND
Feb 24th, 2009, 03:07 PM
I don't care where Venus is seeded at Wimbledon, or any tournament, nor do I care or worry about her draw. Venus is more than capable of beating anyone, anywhere.

bunch_01
Feb 24th, 2009, 03:23 PM
I don't see them worrying about where Serena is at all. The only way I see them moving Venus up is if someone who is not likely to do well in the tournament is ahead of her.

Dawson.
Feb 24th, 2009, 03:40 PM
Not unless she grows a penis

ilovethewilliams
Feb 24th, 2009, 03:43 PM
Venus should be unseeded.. want her to trash sharapova in the 1st round.

danieln1
Feb 24th, 2009, 04:17 PM
she has the full right to be seeded number 1! But i think her sister will deservedly be the number 1 seed and they'll meet in the final for the 2nd straight0year

Volcana
Feb 24th, 2009, 05:14 PM
Last year they stopped using a formula to determine the seeds and simply went by ranking. I doubt they will go back to the formula.All the rankings are is a formula. Exchanging one formula for another is ... formulaic?:)


The thing is, Maria Sharapova is very likely to be in the same position this year that Venus was in 2007. Ex-champ, still young enough to win, who's not even going to be seeded if you mindlessly go by the ranking system.


All I ask is a little adjustment for sanity. If there's an ex-champ in a 'transfer spot #3, #5, #9, #17 and somebody like, sorry sweetie, Dinara Safina, who's never been past the third round at Wimbledon at #2, #4, #8 or #16, switch 'em. OTOH, Elena Dementieva made the semis last year.


As for recent ex-champs, playing on the tour regularly, who otherwise wouldn't be seeded, the #23 seed is calling. That's what they gave Venus, it keeps you out of matches between ex-champs until the 4th round, and it's not unfair to anyone who evidenced the ability to win the tournament.


The entire point of seeding is to allow the best the easiest path to success. (It's fundamentally un-fair, in that way.) But except for Serena, everyone who's proven that they can win this title are scattered around the rankings where they screw up the seeding.

Infiniti2001
Feb 24th, 2009, 05:40 PM
This topic again? :rolleyes: Meanwhile, Venus's nose is still the same in all her pics. I remember someone posting that she had her nose done :lol:

Pheobo
Feb 24th, 2009, 05:46 PM
Although I disagree with the way Wimbledon changes it's seedings based on previous Wimbledon results, if they continue to do it this year Venus should be seeded 1st. Especially if she keeps her Dubai form.

Nicolás89
Feb 24th, 2009, 05:51 PM
She'll be seeded #2 and there's no excuse she shouldnt be.

No way she should be seeded #1 unless she wins RG and a couple of other titles beforehand (which I think is VERY unlikely). You can't put someone ahead of a player who is holding 2 slam titles and reached the Wimby final last year.

Why not? You act like it's illegal or something.

VenusSerenaBlvd.
Feb 24th, 2009, 06:23 PM
Out of respect for Venus on grass, yes! But rankings don't matter to the Williams Sisters. They come to play no matter what ranking they have.

Larrybidd
Feb 24th, 2009, 06:24 PM
Doesn't matter where she is seeded. Venus has proved that at Wimbledon at least, rank is irrelevant. I hope that she will have moved into the top four by then at least though, so that she and Serena won't have be able to meet at least until the semis.

BTW, the one time she was seeded #1, she lost.:sad:

The only think I care about is that Vee and Serena are in opposite sides of the draw. Rankings and seeding don't mean anything - to them, that is. For those opponents who have reasonable hopes to win the thing, they should prefer Vee's seed is as high as possible to maybe avoid meeting her early. If you are gonna get run over by the Venus Williams lawn mower you would rather it be in the semi or final than the 3rd or 4th round so you can make some money.

History has shown that Venus' low seedings at Wimby were a problem for the field, and no problem for Venus. Whatever they wanna do is fine.

Mynarco
Feb 24th, 2009, 06:31 PM
I hope not.
When is the last time a 1st seeded player winning a slam?

Helen Lawson
Feb 24th, 2009, 06:44 PM
They won't strip the No. 1 seed from the World No. 1, whether it's Serena, Dinara, or some other gal.

Ciarán
Feb 24th, 2009, 06:46 PM
No, she will be seeded with accordance of her rank.

Jarl_02
Feb 24th, 2009, 07:14 PM
I don't know what the Wimbledon Organizers take into consideration to move the seeds, but I don't think it's fair or at least important to Venus, even though I hope Sharapova win this year :bounce: It doesn't make any difference whether she is seeded or not

Monica_Rules
Feb 24th, 2009, 07:56 PM
If she carries on playing like she has recently she might be #2 as of right. I do think she'll be top 4 at least by wimbledon, i think they should bump her up because if Jelena and Dinara are above her in the rankings they aren't exacty the best on grass. Jelena isn;t bad seeing as she has won a title but 4th round i think is her best at wimbledon?

youizahoe
Feb 24th, 2009, 08:26 PM
If she carries on playing like she has recently she might be #2 as of right. I do think she'll be top 4 at least by wimbledon, i think they should bump her up because if Jelena and Dinara are above her in the rankings they aren't exacty the best on grass. Jelena isn;t bad seeing as she has won a title but 4th round i think is her best at wimbledon?

She defeated Venus on grass in a 3rd round :)

Tennisstar86
Feb 24th, 2009, 08:33 PM
Forget the 'because'. They're the all England Club and they do whatever they want.
No.

If she's #3, They might move her up to #2. And if she's #5, I expect to see her moved up to #4. This is, essentially, what they did with Steffi Graf and Lindsay Davenport in ... dang. What year in the late 90's was that?

Anyway, I can see a one spot move happening, if it gets her to a higher 'level'. #9 to #8, #5 to #4, #3 to #2. But they didn't move her last year, so I don't expect a #7 to #4, #5 to #2 kind of move.

Anyway, I'm way more interested in where Mauresmo and Sharapova get seeded. Sharapova may not even be seeded on her ranking, if she doesn't play, and do well at, Indiam Wells.


Sharapova wont get a boost... she made the 4th round 2 years ago.... and the 2nd round last year....

Tennisstar86
Feb 24th, 2009, 08:41 PM
Last year they stopped using a formula to determine the seeds and simply went by ranking. I doubt they will go back to the formula.

They dont use a formula on the womens side... its the mens side where they take into account your two previous wimbledon results... The womens they just kinda pick....

All the rankings are is a formula. Exchanging one formula for another is ... formulaic?:)


The thing is, Maria Sharapova is very likely to be in the same position this year that Venus was in 2007. Ex-champ, still young enough to win, who's not even going to be seeded if you mindlessly go by the ranking system.


All I ask is a little adjustment for sanity. If there's an ex-champ in a 'transfer spot #3, #5, #9, #17 and somebody like, sorry sweetie, Dinara Safina, who's never been past the third round at Wimbledon at #2, #4, #8 or #16, switch 'em. OTOH, Elena Dementieva made the semis last year.


As for recent ex-champs, playing on the tour regularly, who otherwise wouldn't be seeded, the #23 seed is calling. That's what they gave Venus, it keeps you out of matches between ex-champs until the 4th round, and it's not unfair to anyone who evidenced the ability to win the tournament.


The entire point of seeding is to allow the best the easiest path to success. (It's fundamentally un-fair, in that way.) But except for Serena, everyone who's proven that they can win this title are scattered around the rankings where they screw up the seeding.

not really, because unlike Sharapova who hasnt won since 2004 or been to the second week since 2006? Venus had actually recently won the title....

Jem
Feb 24th, 2009, 08:59 PM
She should be seeded by her ranking. I hate it when tournaments tamper with the rankings. In my mind, you should be awarded your spot based on your ranking and then face the toughness of the draw. No one deserves special treatment. And I think Venus has proved over the years that she doesn't need special treatment at Wimbledon.

Hurley
Feb 24th, 2009, 09:01 PM
They dont use a formula on the womens side... its the mens side where they take into account your two previous wimbledon results... The womens they just kinda pick....

Correct. One of these years, you'd think people would get it (all it takes is literacy), but I guess they never will.

Anyway, if Venus is ranked #1 (obviously) or #2 with Serena NOT being #1 at the time of seeding, yeah.

Otherwise, no.

Square on Square
Feb 24th, 2009, 09:01 PM
The entire point of seeding is to allow the best the easiest path to success. (It's fundamentally un-fair, in that way.)

I think the point is to continue the better players along in the tournement. Tournements that stack matches up triangularly are . . . maybe fairly but is a sorted/unsorted (depending) process of elimination. Round-robin tournements are more discriminating and I'd susppose more fair. The seeding system is obviously prone to jocking for rank. You'd put this forward as incentive, whether or not it is put up to down-regulation.

Never seems to be a disparage in 1 and 2. But examining the field to even one place is an excercise in tournement fixing. Liken pomp to circumstance. As you said it is not working against the ranking system, just garnishing it some. Call it load lightening (not the intense sort, sure -- portected rank and file). Players to win should and will. ight?

If Venus, having matured, isn't leveled to others players it would not suprise me. Nie condesending. The dissident has to respected.

PizzaMan
Feb 24th, 2009, 09:16 PM
Serena should be seeded #1, if she's ranked #1. In which case, Venus should be seeded 2 or 3, which puts her in the opposite half of the draw.

But what if Safina is ranked #1? Does Wimby really give her the #1 seed over both Serena and Venus?

I expect Maria to be seeded 18 or so. In 2007, Venus came in ranked 31, was seeded 23, and won. Mary Carillo said at the time that Venus should be seeded "closer to 3 than 23", so she wanted Venus to be bumped up even more. (Venus's relatively low seed hurt Maria, since Maria had to face her earlier than you'd expect for those two players, and Maria was eliminated.) I expect Maria to get a bumping similar to that which Venus got in 2007, though not quite as much because I don't think Maria will come in ranked as low as 31 like Venus did. And woe to anyone that has to face Maria earlier than expected due to her relatively low seed, as they could be looking at an early exit.

mdterp01
Feb 24th, 2009, 09:26 PM
Doesn't this thread appear every year and don't we always give the same explanation about the seeding?

In The Zone
Feb 24th, 2009, 09:30 PM
Serena should be seeded #1, if she's ranked #1. In which case, Venus should be seeded 2 or 3, which puts her in the opposite half of the draw.

But what if Safina is ranked #1? Does Wimby really give her the #1 seed over both Serena and Venus?

I expect Maria to be seeded 18 or so. In 2007, Venus came in ranked 31, was seeded 23, and won. Mary Carillo said at the time that Venus should be seeded "closer to 3 than 23", so she wanted Venus to be bumped up even more. (Venus's relatively low seed hurt Maria, since Maria had to face her earlier than you'd expect for those two players, and Maria was eliminated.) I expect Maria to get a bumping similar to that which Venus got in 2007, though not quite as much because I don't think Maria will come in ranked as low as 31 like Venus did. And woe to anyone that has to face Maria earlier than expected due to her relatively low seed, as they could be looking at an early exit.

Wimbledon uses 3 years as a consideration for seed bumping with last year given the most weight, two years ago given some and the third year being a thought (this is the men's criteria, I believe the women's is a bit different and is rarely used). Sharapova may not get a bump. She has 2R and 4R as her last two Wimbledon showings. Bumping Maria into the top 16 would actually hurt Maria. Venus and Serena will be in the top 4 -- 50% guaranteeing a Round of 16 battle. If Maria is seeded in the 17-24 range, where she will be most likely, Maria can draw someone 9-16 in the 3R and potentially avoid Venus and Serena in the R16. It is beneficial for Maria not to be bumped.

CrossCourt~Rally
Feb 24th, 2009, 09:31 PM
This is one of the very few times that i feel a player should be ranked higher ( in this case #1 ) in spite of their ranking :bounce:.

In The Zone
Feb 24th, 2009, 09:32 PM
They will never take away the #1 seed from the top ranked player. That's absurd.

It will all depend on Serena's ranking, in my opinion. If Serena is #1, Venus will go to #2. If Serena is #2, they will not bump Venus (as I expect her to be in the top 4 anyway). If she is not in the top 4, I expect her to be bumped there so as a Serena/Venus meeting is at the SF stage the earliest.

Sally Struthers
Feb 24th, 2009, 09:36 PM
as long as she's a top 4 seed it does not matter since theoretically 1,2,3,4 are equal...

Infiniti2001
Feb 24th, 2009, 09:39 PM
Doesn't this thread appear every year and don't we always give the same explanation about the seeding?

Gotta admit that Venus has some stupid fans who just don't get it :help:

Square on Square
Feb 24th, 2009, 09:49 PM
If Maria is seeded in the 17-24 range, where she will be most likely, Maria can draw someone 9-16 in the 3R and potentially avoid Venus and Serena in the R16. It is beneficial for Maria not to be bumped.

Provided there's blasting a way through that 3r. Of course it is all very existential. Not unreasonable to expect her to do well regardless.

off-topic: What if players could be allowed to trade down their seed at the time of the draw ceremony?

Volcana
Feb 24th, 2009, 09:56 PM
off-topic: What if players could be allowed to trade down their seed at the time of the draw ceremony?OhmyGod! That would be hysterical!


How could we make that work?

Square on Square
Feb 24th, 2009, 10:15 PM
OhmyGod! That would be hysterical!


How could we make that work?

I was thinking a simple trade with lower seed. Start off optioning the second lowest and third and so on. Very easily done. It would be more complicated but with the computers today, not so.

The only difficult I could found was the amount of time it could take if some players aren't there at the draw ceremony. It could be done with phone (difficult because the modified draw is not in front of the player) or on the internet of course. The much dispised Internet is really golden in this situation.

But anyways player would have all of 5 minutes or so, one being after another, so a given point in time. Could differ the oportunity like a "pocket veto".

Harvs
Feb 24th, 2009, 10:19 PM
no... even though shes raging favourite.


i would say she should move up to number 4 (if shes still number 5 at that point which i doubt she will be)...
or if shes at number 3, move up to 2...

but not number one from where she is now... serena is also an incredible grass courter

Cp6uja
Feb 24th, 2009, 10:22 PM
That famous formula is used for ATP part, and "corrections" in WTA part of grass championship is used very rare - but Venus like defending champion maybe will be that exception!

Even with pathetic results in next 4 months Venus will be not worse ranked than #6 at official WTA rank list week before Wimbledon. Here is all possible changes for Venus in terms OFFICIAL RANKING --> WIMBLEDON/09 SEED:

6 --> 4
5 --> 4
4 --> 2
3 --> 2
2 --> 1

Uranium
Feb 24th, 2009, 10:24 PM
I'd be happy with her getting #2, just to make sure she doesn't play Serena before final. But Venus has shown at Wimbledon seeding doesn't matter much, so :shrug:

Hurley
Feb 24th, 2009, 10:25 PM
Wimbledon uses 3 years as a consideration for seed bumping with last year given the most weight, two years ago given some and the third year being a thought (this is the men's criteria, I believe the women's is a bit different and is rarely used). Sharapova may not get a bump. She has 2R and 4R as her last two Wimbledon showings. Bumping Maria into the top 16 would actually hurt Maria. Venus and Serena will be in the top 4 -- 50% guaranteeing a Round of 16 battle. If Maria is seeded in the 17-24 range, where she will be most likely, Maria can draw someone 9-16 in the 3R and potentially avoid Venus and Serena in the R16. It is beneficial for Maria not to be bumped.

For the nine zillionth time, there is NO criteria for the women aside from whims. The MEN ONLY use a formula (a two-year formula) and it is strictly mathematical with no whims included.

Meanwhile, if Maria is bumped into the Top 12, she would avoid a Top Four seed until the QF, so a bump could be extremely beneficial. It depends on the bump.

It might be irrelevant: if Maria is not ranked in the Top 32 entrants on the seeding date, she cannot be seeded anyway.

jrollaneres25
Feb 24th, 2009, 10:27 PM
I think the point is to continue the better players along in the tournement. Tournements that stack matches up triangularly are . . . maybe fairly but is a sorted/unsorted (depending) process of elimination. Round-robin tournements are more discriminating and I'd susppose more fair. The seeding system is obviously prone to jocking for rank. You'd put this forward as incentive, whether or not it is put up to down-regulation.

Never seems to be a disparage in 1 and 2. But examining the field to even one place is an excercise in tournement fixing. Liken pomp to circumstance. As you said it is not working against the ranking system, just garnishing it some. Call it load lightening (not the intense sort, sure -- portected rank and file). Players to win should and will. ight?

If Venus, having matured, isn't leveled to others players it would not suprise me. Nie condesending. The dissident has to respected.

tournement is spelled with an "a" in the middle, not an "e":kiss:

volta
Feb 24th, 2009, 10:28 PM
this thread is making me want to just go watch her Wimbledon Matches :lol: *goes on vcl player* :tape: *avoids Alla Kudryavtseva match :scared: *

Hurley
Feb 24th, 2009, 10:29 PM
That famous formula is used for ATP part, and "corrections" in WTA part of grass championship is used very rare - but Venus like defending champion maybe will be that exception!

Even with pathetic results in next 4 months Venus will be not worse ranked than #6 at official WTA rank list week before Wimbledon. Here is all possible changes for Venus in terms OFFICIAL RANKING --> WIMBLEDON/09 SEED:

6 --> 4
5 --> 4
4 --> 2
3 --> 2
2 --> 1

I totally agree, unless Serena is #1 to her #2. I think they would keep Serena at #1.

But we'll never know until we actually see it. Speculation, especially in February, is founded on nothing. Wimbledon does what it wants. It rolls with 12 gangs and only commits hate crimes.

Square on Square
Feb 24th, 2009, 10:33 PM
It might be irrelevant: if Maria is not ranked in the Top 32 entrants on the seeding date, she cannot be seeded anyway.

What of portected seeding for the injury? Is not this a possiblity?

jrollaneres25
Feb 24th, 2009, 10:38 PM
Gotta admit that Venus has some stupid fans who just don't get it :help:

So I'm stupid now?:confused: Wow, I'd never think someone would just do me grimey like that. I'm not attacking anyone, it's just a question I was pondering.:rolleyes: And I'm not on here like, ALL THE TIME.:shrug: So I don't see every thread that is created. Gosh, people can be so heartless these days:bs:

Square on Square
Feb 24th, 2009, 10:46 PM
tournement is spelled with an "a" in the middle, not an "e":kiss:

I tryed. :weirdo: Must have missed that. Thanks for letting me know, it helps, keeps me from lOoking like a rough draft.

jrollaneres25
Feb 24th, 2009, 10:51 PM
I tryed. :weirdo: Must have missed that.

lol It's okay. You missed it like5 times thou:cool:

Inger67
Feb 24th, 2009, 10:54 PM
Probably not :sad: But it's okay to wish right? :)

Square on Square
Feb 24th, 2009, 10:54 PM
Wimbledon does what it wants.
Absolutely. Glad we can just trust it to take up the slack for the rest of us/them.

frenchie
Feb 24th, 2009, 10:57 PM
Venus will probably be top 4 after RG anyway

Putting her at #1 won't change a lot (except avoiding her sister before the final!!)

Square on Square
Feb 24th, 2009, 11:00 PM
lol It's okay. You missed it like5 times thou:cool:
It could be a way to spell it if I do it enough. :weirdo: Yeah at my age my spelling is even that brittle.

~Eclipsed~
Feb 24th, 2009, 11:29 PM
The claycourt season didnt' even start yet and we're already talking about Wimbledon? :lol:

Anyway, as Venus has proven it doesn't matter where she is seeded. If she's on, the only one who is a threat to her is her sister. If if she's not on, she still finds a way to win at Wimby. :cool:

TennisViewer531
Feb 25th, 2009, 03:59 AM
@Eclipsed

I agree. She's definitely a player to beat in Wimbledon!

KoOlMaNsEaN
Feb 25th, 2009, 05:14 AM
Grass isnt a special surface anymore since it plays like most medium-fast hardcourts now and bounces higher than it used to. So the answer is no

jrollaneres25
Feb 25th, 2009, 12:57 PM
Grass isnt a special surface anymore since it plays like most medium-fast hardcourts now and bounces higher than it used to. So the answer is no

So if It does, then why only certain people win the tournament?

volta
Feb 25th, 2009, 04:51 PM
Grass isnt a special surface anymore since it plays like most medium-fast hardcourts now and bounces higher than it used to. So the answer is no

well someone needs to send a Memo to vee ASAP and tell her that there is no difference between the 2 so she should be owning everyone there as well :lol:

serenus_2k8
Feb 25th, 2009, 04:59 PM
:lol: ^^

Vee should be moved into top 4 if she isnt there already and Maria at least top 8. :)

jrollaneres25
Feb 25th, 2009, 11:43 PM
I guess she should be owning the Aussie Open too then

sipnsurfMurph
Feb 26th, 2009, 02:03 AM
If Wimby changes rankings based on performance, there isn't a more qualified candidate than Vee.

Yet, this fan is favoring the WTA status quo. Seed her as usual, under dog status hasn't hurt! Serena & them are more likely.

serenaforever
Feb 26th, 2009, 02:16 AM
They should bump her into the top four at least, perhaps top two if Serena's 1

serenafan08
Feb 26th, 2009, 05:29 AM
I definitely think that Venus should at least be #2 if Serena is still #1 when Wimbledon rolls around. I mean, if seven finals and five championships doesn't merit a top 2 seeding, I don't know what does! No one else on tour comes close except Serena with four finals and two championships.

In The Zone
Feb 26th, 2009, 05:32 AM
They should bump her into the top four at least, perhaps top two if Serena's 1

Funny how a thread of this length can be summed up in this one concise sentence. ;)

TennisViewer531
Feb 26th, 2009, 06:57 AM
It depends on how Venus fares in the claycourt season. I hope Venus can go as high as number 2 then probably she could be seeded first in Wimbledon... :)

serenus_2k8
Feb 26th, 2009, 08:43 AM
I dont think they will make her top 2 because I dont think they will want it another WS final :shrug:

jrollaneres25
Feb 26th, 2009, 06:13 PM
I dont think they will make her top 2 because I dont think they will want it another WS final :shrug:

:confused:

Why wouldn't they?

2Black
Feb 26th, 2009, 07:06 PM
:confused:

Why wouldn't they?

ooh oooh, can i answer that :lol:

CJ07
Feb 26th, 2009, 07:10 PM
I dont think they will make her top 2 because I dont think they will want it another WS final :shrug:
Yes they do. Every tournament director wants all-Williams finals.

Why?

All-Williams finals ---> higher ratings ---> $$$$

Hell the 2002 Women's DOUBLES finals with the WS got higher ratings than the Men's finals.
With the likely Federer/Nadal final holding up its end, the only final that could not be completely dwarfed by them would be a high quality All-Williams final.

serenus_2k8
Feb 26th, 2009, 07:11 PM
:confused:

Why wouldn't they?

Thats just the impression I get, not what i would want ;)

~Eclipsed~
Feb 26th, 2009, 09:02 PM
Thats just the impression I get, not what i would want ;)

Enlighten us as to why you wouldn't want two of the most talented and popular athletes in sports competing against each other in a final?

Square on Square
Feb 26th, 2009, 10:53 PM
Any final which has a non-WS is better than WS final, bar none. No, no, it is the very best tennis has to offer. It is such a world today.

Square on Square
Feb 26th, 2009, 11:02 PM
I've got class.
To answer your question with a sincerity that goes beyond what most would give you, in a single sentence, "prime" market ambition unrestrained (and in the public eye):

It is a tired issue.

I say no more.

Square on Square
Feb 26th, 2009, 11:20 PM
But the actions of Wimbledon...I think Venus walks with a sense of purpose and dignity.....no no a love of tennis. She won't have problems. See the actions.

joliet at least

Square on Square
Feb 26th, 2009, 11:23 PM
The name Wimbledon is enough on the ears. Don't you think? What hasn't it done for Venus? Even live up to it.

110%

TennisViewer531
Feb 27th, 2009, 06:39 AM
Huh? Bottomline is, Venus is still a force to reckon with in Wimbledon regardless of her seeding. :)

jrollaneres25
Jun 11th, 2009, 03:31 AM
Huh? Bottomline is, Venus is still a force to reckon with in Wimbledon regardless of her seeding. :)

But should she be seeded #1 as the 2-time defending Champ?

mckyle.
Jun 11th, 2009, 03:42 AM
But should she be seeded #1 as the 2-time defending Champ?

She wasn't seeded #1 when she won the last two years.

Why are people getting so caught up in seeding? The best player will win, no matter the seeding.

southern star
Jun 11th, 2009, 03:48 AM
I agree with M17. In this particular instance there will be no advantage to her in being seeded #1 rather than #3.

rockstar
Jun 11th, 2009, 03:55 AM
and why no 1, there really isnt much a difference between seed1 and 2... you get to avoid the next best player.

there is no point in venus being seeded 1, and serena 3, and both of them being on the same side...

zxcVbnm88
Jun 11th, 2009, 04:24 AM
Using the ATP rule, It's a YES for Venus but not Federer as Nadal is the defending champion and RU in 2007.

jrollaneres25
Jun 13th, 2009, 08:30 PM
Using the ATP rule, It's a YES for Venus but not Federer as Nadal is the defending champion and RU in 2007.

Yea but, Federer has won it the last 5-times and has been in the last 6 finals.

And I think Venus SHOULD be seeded #1 because she deserves it. It would be bogus to seed anyone else in the draw #1, when Venus should CLEARLY be the #1 seed. It's about respect.

RenaSlam.
Jun 13th, 2009, 08:30 PM
No.

Vanity Bonfire
Jun 13th, 2009, 08:34 PM
Fed won't given that Nadal is DC.

Serena will be number one and Venus will be number two seeds IMO. I think the AEC will face a lot of criticism if Dina is in the top two seeds and the sisters get drawn in the same half.

serenus_2k8
Jun 13th, 2009, 09:07 PM
Nah, Fed deffo wont, but Vee really should be. Dinara isnt the best player on grass, but I dont think the Wimbledon commitee like the changing of seeds any more.

Juju Nostalgique
Jun 13th, 2009, 09:31 PM
I think there should be the sisters as #1 and #2 (I don't think the order is important).

As for Dinara beign seeded *cough* #1 *cough* ... :tape: :lol:

CloudAtlas
Jun 13th, 2009, 09:35 PM
Dinara as #1 seed on grass & both sisters on the same side would be quite embarrasing as whoever gets to the final from her side (and it won't be her) will get battered in the final.

In The Zone
Jun 13th, 2009, 11:37 PM
Roger won't be seeded #1 over the defending champion. That's just silly.

Venus being seeded #1 is very likely but I'm not sure Wimbledon will even do it. They don't seem to show the same attentive care for the women's seeding as they do for the men.

terjw
Jun 13th, 2009, 11:48 PM
No

debopero
Jun 14th, 2009, 12:15 AM
I think Venus and Serena will be #1 and #2....in my dreams. Wimbledon does not care too greatly about the women seeds so one should not expect that they are going to change now. Venus is #3...that's high enough.

Tennisstar86
Jun 14th, 2009, 12:29 AM
Roger is very unfortunate looking.....

HeninFan_2008
Jun 14th, 2009, 12:48 AM
Roger is very unfortunate looking.....

Those are fighting words. :armed: I will defend my Rogi to the death!

Svetlana.
Jun 14th, 2009, 01:14 AM
I don't think ranking really matter... I expect all Williams final again this year.

drake3781
Jun 14th, 2009, 01:22 AM
I hope it goes by ranking. Don't think they should override that, just cuz they can. Unless some bizarre circumstance and I can't think of an example. BTW this question comes up here every year... guess people never get tired of it. :shrug:

HeninFan_2008
Jun 14th, 2009, 01:28 AM
Sveta will take Wimby.

jrollaneres25
Jun 15th, 2009, 01:54 AM
I don't think ranking really matter... I expect all Williams final again this year.

Okay, so if the seedings doesn't matter, then what if the Williams Sisters get drawn on the same side of the draw?

I think the seeding do matters.....:rolleyes:

jrollaneres25
Jun 15th, 2009, 01:57 AM
I hope it goes by ranking. Don't think they should override that, just cuz they can. Unless some bizarre circumstance and I can't think of an example. BTW this question comes up here every year... guess people never get tired of it. :shrug:

Um, no it doesn't! And if it has, then this year is a legitamite case. The Williams Sisters should not be on the same side of the draw

Svetlana.
Jun 15th, 2009, 03:15 AM
Okay, so if the seedings doesn't matter, then what if the Williams Sisters get drawn on the same side of the draw?

I think the seeding do matters.....:rolleyes:

The seeding really does not matter because at the end of the day there is going to be only one 2009 champion.

If the sisters as you say "get drawn on the same side of the draw" the one of them that would beat the other is very likely to win the whole thing at the end anyway.

Svetlana.
Jun 15th, 2009, 03:19 AM
The Williams Sisters should not be on the same side of the draw

and why not?

Buitenzorg
Jun 15th, 2009, 05:27 AM
I think they both deserves to be seeded no.1 :)

guapogreg08
Jun 15th, 2009, 05:32 AM
I think they both deserves to be seeded no.1 :)

ditto ;)

BuTtErFrEnA
Jun 15th, 2009, 06:22 AM
Nah, Fed deffo wont, but Vee really should be. Dinara isnt the best player on grass, but I dont think the Wimbledon commitee like the changing of seeds any more.

:spit: wtf are you smoking!!! :spit: the man who has made the finals since 2003, losing only once last year definitely won't...be but the woman who has a couple 1st week losses in 04 and 06 definitely should be???


pass that dutch! :spit:

In The Zone
Jun 15th, 2009, 06:25 AM
:spit: wtf are you smoking!!! :spit: the man who has made the finals since 2003, losing only once last year definitely won't...be but the woman who has a couple 1st week losses in 04 and 06 definitely should be???


pass that dutch! :spit:

How can you seed Federer #1 over the defending champion?

For the formula, you only consider the past two years of which Venus Williams won both events.

What are you smoking that you can't see that logic? :rolleyes: Once a hater, always a hater.

BuTtErFrEnA
Jun 15th, 2009, 06:30 AM
Roger won't be seeded #1 over the defending champion. That's just silly.

Venus being seeded #1 is very likely but I'm not sure Wimbledon will even do it. They don't seem to show the same attentive care for the women's seeding as they do for the men.

over the past two years federer and nadal have almost the same results...grass tune up win, wimbledon win and wimbledon final...maybe federer has another tune up title from halle but i think he missed one year...the men go by a definite formula so it's not impossible....

so i don't get how it's more likely that cheatus gets #1 seed but you think roger shouldn't...

In The Zone
Jun 15th, 2009, 06:31 AM
over the past two years federer and nadal have almost the same results...grass tune up win, wimbledon win and wimbledon final...maybe federer has another tune up title from halle but i think he missed one year...the men go by a definite formula so it's not impossible....

so i don't get how it's more likely that cheatus gets #1 seed but you think roger shouldn't...

... Nadal defeated Roger in the Wimbledon final, LAST YEAR. Again, how do you seed Federer above the Wimbledon defending champion (who defeated him in the process)?

Venus has won the event two years in a row, not even losing a set last year (yes, even over your Serena). You don't see the difference?

BuTtErFrEnA
Jun 15th, 2009, 06:34 AM
How can you seed Federer #1 over the defending champion?

For the formula, you only consider the past two years of which Venus Williams won both events.

What are you smoking that you can't see that logic? :rolleyes: Once a hater, always a hater.


as i said...nadal has the same results as federer over the same two year period used for the formula on the men's side...

there is none on the women's side...and cheatus only got bumped because she was ranked to low and they wanted a "balanced draw"...but now she's in the top 3...no need for bumping :shrug:

BuTtErFrEnA
Jun 15th, 2009, 06:37 AM
... Nadal defeated Roger in the Wimbledon final, LAST YEAR. Again, how do you seed Federer above the Wimbledon defending champion (who defeated him in the process)?

Venus has won the event two years in a row, not even losing a set last year (yes, even over your Serena). You don't see the difference?

do you even know the formula...do you know there is none of the women's side?? i never said they will bump federer, but i'm wondering where the logic is in thinking that cheatus deserves a bump while federer, (the champ and finalist past two years for the formula to work) doesn't deserve one when nadal has the same results...

what does serena have to do with it...she's not defending champ, hasn't won it since 03 so she doesn't deserve a bump unless its over dinara who has done nothing at wimbledon...but even i don't care about that...

In The Zone
Jun 15th, 2009, 06:43 AM
do you even know the formula...do you know there is none of the women's side?? i never said they will bump federer, but i'm wondering where the logic is in thinking that cheatus deserves a bump while federer, (the champ and finalist past two years for the formula to work) doesn't deserve one when nadal has the same results...

what does serena have to do with it...she's not defending champ, hasn't won it since 03 so she doesn't deserve a bump unless its over dinara who has done nothing at wimbledon...but even i don't care about that...

No. This began because you thought bumping Roger was more reasonable than bumping Venus -- which is a joke.

Talk about Halle, Queens, all you want, Wimbledon is the only thing that matters. Also, 2008's results are more heavily weighted than 2007 so to compare results over a 2 year period is just foolish. Again, how do you seed someone #1 over the defending champion, who also LOST to the defending champion in the final the previous year?

Seeding Venus #1 is far more logical than seeding Roger #1.

BuTtErFrEnA
Jun 15th, 2009, 06:50 AM
:lol: ok...so you admit there's a formula and it would possibly be far more likely to seed federer #1 than cheatus since she's what, 3?

how do you bump someone from 3 to 1 with no formula...over two persons who have obviously had a way better 52 week period OBVIOUSLY because 1 has two slam finals and a semi and 2 has 2 slams and a QF...

In The Zone
Jun 15th, 2009, 06:53 AM
:lol: ok...so you admit there's a formula and it would possibly be far more likely to seed federer #1 than cheatus since she's what, 3?

how do you bump someone from 3 to 1 with no formula...over two persons who have obviously had a way better 52 week period OBVIOUSLY because 1 has two slam finals and a semi and 2 has 2 slams and a QF...

It only takes into account grass results ... which you admitted in your previous posts. I never said it was far more possible for Roger than Venus . . . .

Venus defeated Serena in the final last year. Venus has won the event two years in a row. Safina has never made it past the 3rd round. Venus is a 5-time Wimbledon champion. There is your logic for putting Venus #1, even without a formula (which when Venus has been bumped, they used the formula -- they didn't just arbitrarily give her a seeding).

Are you crazy? You say one thing, then say the opposite. :weirdo:

Since you're no longer making sense, this is my final post on the subject ..

Hurley
Jun 15th, 2009, 07:00 AM
IThere is your logic for putting Venus #1, even without a formula (which when Venus has been bumped, they used the formula -- they didn't just arbitrarily give her a seeding).

No. No. NO.

Once again:

For the ATP, they use the formula.

For the WTA, when they bump people, they do indeed arbitrarily give seedings, including (I think almost exclusively, actually) when they did it for Venus.

BuTtErFrEnA
Jun 15th, 2009, 07:00 AM
It only takes into account grass results ... which you admitted in your previous posts. I never said it was far more possible for Roger than Venus . . . .

Venus defeated Serena in the final last year. Venus has won the event two years in a row. Safina has never made it past the 3rd round. Venus is a 5-time Wimbledon champion. There is your logic for putting Venus #1, even without a formula (which when Venus has been bumped, they used the formula -- they didn't just arbitrarily give her a seeding).

Are you crazy? You say one thing, then say the opposite. :weirdo:

Since you're no longer making sense, this is my final post on the subject ..

can someone post the "formula" they use for the women about achieving balanced draws...that's the only consideration IF they want to bump you...but the draw would be balanced since cheatus is already a top 4 seed so there would be no need to bump her...

federer otoh could get a bump simply because there is a formula to follow...didn't say he will but chances are that you have a better chance to get bumped if you're following a formula than if you're going by the feelings of the committee about "balanced draw" when your only previous bumping was because you were ranked too low....but oh well

:wavey: :lol: you can have fun with your logic

Hurley
Jun 15th, 2009, 07:03 AM
For the nine zillionth time, there is NO criteria for the women aside from whims. The MEN ONLY use a formula (a two-year formula) and it is strictly mathematical with no whims included.

Meanwhile, if Maria is bumped into the Top 12, she would avoid a Top Four seed until the QF, so a bump could be extremely beneficial. It depends on the bump.

It might be irrelevant: if Maria is not ranked in the Top 32 entrants on the seeding date, she cannot be seeded anyway.

God, ITZ, I already yelled at you about this in FEBRUARY. :p

BuTtErFrEnA
Jun 15th, 2009, 07:08 AM
i thought i was one of the few who knew :p lol

In The Zone
Jun 15th, 2009, 07:54 AM
God, ITZ, I already yelled at you about this in FEBRUARY. :p

I didn't say anything to the contrary. :shrug:

I said, it is far more logical to seed Venus #1 than it is Roger -- which it is.

In The Zone
Jun 15th, 2009, 07:56 AM
No. No. NO.

Once again:

For the ATP, they use the formula.

For the WTA, when they bump people, they do indeed arbitrarily give seedings, including (I think almost exclusively, actually) when they did it for Venus.

Find a thread from 2006 when they put Venus at #6. If you use the ATP formula, she would have gotten the seed ... you guessed it, #6! What makes #6 different from 7 or 8? There is none.

TomTennis
Jun 15th, 2009, 11:23 AM
can someone post the "formula" they use for the women about achieving balanced draws...that's the only consideration IF they want to bump you...but the draw would be balanced since cheatus is already a top 4 seed so there would be no need to bump her...

federer otoh could get a bump simply because there is a formula to follow...didn't say he will but chances are that you have a better chance to get bumped if you're following a formula than if you're going by the feelings of the committee about "balanced draw" when your only previous bumping was because you were ranked too low....but oh well

:wavey: :lol: you can have fun with your logic

I dont get the name?

zxcVbnm88
Jun 15th, 2009, 12:40 PM
over the past two years federer and nadal have almost the same results...grass tune up win, wimbledon win and wimbledon final...maybe federer has another tune up title from halle but i think he missed one year...the men go by a definite formula so it's not impossible....

so i don't get how it's more likely that cheatus gets #1 seed but you think roger shouldn't...

Nadal is the defending champion of Wimbledon and Queen and he was the RU in Wimbledon 2007. Using the ATP seeding formula for Wimbledon, I'm afraid that the gap would be even bigger. There's NO WAY you can seed Federer as the top seed over Nadal.

Even though there's no such rule in WTA, however, IF we use the ATP rule, Venus has more ranking points than Safina as the 2-time defending champion at Wimbledon.

If only one of them(Federer and Venus) can be the top seed, Venus has the edge because Safina has done almost nothing at Wimbledon but Nadal is the defending champion.
Federer has no chance at all to be the top seed and it's 0.0000001% for Venus.

BuTtErFrEnA
Jun 15th, 2009, 01:05 PM
Nadal is the defending champion of Wimbledon and Queen and he was the RU in Wimbledon 2007. Using the ATP seeding formula for Wimbledon, I'm afraid that the gap would be even bigger. There's NO WAY you can seed Federer as the top seed over Nadal.

Even though there's no such rule in WTA, however, IF we use the ATP rule, Venus has more ranking points than Safina as the 2-time defending champion at Wimbledon.

If only one of them(Federer and Venus) can be the top seed, Venus has the edge because Safina has done almost nothing at Wimbledon but Nadal is the defending champion.
Federer has no chance at all to be the top seed and it's 0.0000001% for Venus.

thanks... :)

Harvs
Jun 15th, 2009, 01:09 PM
lol there is NOOOO way either of them will be the top seeds

vwfan
Jun 15th, 2009, 03:27 PM
I dont get the name?it doesn't make any sense that's why you don't get it. :lol:

-VSR-
Jun 15th, 2009, 04:21 PM
What day do they announce the seeds?!

jrollaneres25
Jun 15th, 2009, 05:43 PM
as i said...nadal has the same results as federer over the same two year period used for the formula on the men's side...

there is none on the women's side...and cheatus only got bumped because she was ranked to low and they wanted a "balanced draw"...but now she's in the top 3...no need for bumping :shrug:

Do you not like Venus????????:confused:

Tennisstar86
Jun 15th, 2009, 06:56 PM
Do you not like Venus????????:confused:

hes bitter that Venus has 5 wimbledons and Serena 2...... including the fact that Venus beat Serena last year.... Hes also bitter about that Bagel Venus gave Serena last year...In his mind Serena COULD be holding YEC US wimbledon and AO if it wasnt for venus....

vwfan
Jun 15th, 2009, 07:40 PM
hes bitter that Venus has 5 wimbledons and Serena 2...... including the fact that Venus beat Serena last year.... Hes also bitter about that Bagel Venus gave Serena last year...In his mind Serena COULD be holding YEC US wimbledon and AO if it wasnt for venus....
Lord, help him/her if Venus spanks Serena's behind at Wimbledon again! :lol:

jrollaneres25
Jun 15th, 2009, 07:53 PM
Lord, help him/her if Venus spanks Serena's behind at Wimbledon again! :lol:

:haha::hug:

Usually a Venus fan is also a Serena fan, but I guess not the other way around:shrug:

vwfan
Jun 15th, 2009, 08:41 PM
:haha::hug:

Usually a Venus fan is also a Serena fan, but I guess not the other way around:shrug:
No. Not at all.

There are:

1) Williams fans
2) Venus only fans
3) Serena only fans
4) Venus fans that are Serena haters
5) Serena fans that are Venus haters

Fortunately, most fans fall into the top three categories; this poster used to pretend to be a Williams fan, but was really a Serena only fan. After Venus spanked Serena around a couple of times lately, s/he has decided to say it straight a be a Serena fan who is a Venus hater.

At least s/he is honest, though calling Venus a cheater is uncalled for and means I can't take him/her seriously either way.

jrollaneres25
Jun 15th, 2009, 08:47 PM
No. Not at all.

There are:

1) Williams fans
2) Venus only fans
3) Serena only fans
4) Venus fans that are Serena haters
5) Serena fans that are Venus haters

Fortunately, most fans fall into the top three categories; this poster used to pretend to be a Williams fan, but was really a Serena only fan. After Venus spanked Serena around a couple of times lately, s/he has decided to say it straight a be a Serena fan who is a Venus hater.

At least s/he is honest, though calling Venus a cheater is uncalled for and means I can't take him/her seriously either way.


On what grounds could he possibly called Venus a "cheater"? Cheastine, I understand. Cheasanchez I also understand very, very well, But Cheatus? :weirdo:

AnnaK_4ever
Jun 15th, 2009, 09:46 PM
Find a thread from 2006 when they put Venus at #6. If you use the ATP formula, she would have gotten the seed ... you guessed it, #6! What makes #6 different from 7 or 8? There is none.

In 2006 Venus was seeded 6th because Davenport, Petrova and Pierce who were all ranked above her did withdraw from Wimbledon.

In The Zone
Jun 15th, 2009, 10:42 PM
Nadal is the defending champion of Wimbledon and Queen and he was the RU in Wimbledon 2007. Using the ATP seeding formula for Wimbledon, I'm afraid that the gap would be even bigger. There's NO WAY you can seed Federer as the top seed over Nadal.

Even though there's no such rule in WTA, however, IF we use the ATP rule, Venus has more ranking points than Safina as the 2-time defending champion at Wimbledon.

If only one of them(Federer and Venus) can be the top seed, Venus has the edge because Safina has done almost nothing at Wimbledon but Nadal is the defending champion.
Federer has no chance at all to be the top seed and it's 0.0000001% for Venus.

Thank you! :)

BuTtErFrEnA
Jun 15th, 2009, 11:16 PM
In 2006 Venus was seeded 6th because Davenport, Petrova and Pierce who were all ranked above her did withdraw from Wimbledon.

you mean to tell me that there is no formula for the women?? shock and awe :lol:

-VSR-
Jun 16th, 2009, 04:33 AM
Well I'm glad nobody knows what day the seeds come out! Nice! :yeah:

Svetlana.
Jun 16th, 2009, 04:51 AM
Well I'm glad nobody knows what day the seeds come out! Nice! :yeah:

I think on Friday at 10 am.

Tennisstar86
Jun 16th, 2009, 05:29 AM
Well I'm glad nobody knows what day the seeds come out! Nice! :yeah:

17th.... if you go to wimbledon.org they fill you with loads of information....:rolleyes:

The seedings for the men’s and ladies’ singles will be announced on 17 June.
From 2001, 32 players have been seeded in the Gentlemen’s and Ladies' Singles. These are the top 32 players on the ATP Entry System Position (ESP) and the WTA Tour ranking. The former list is arranged on a surface-based system to reflect more accurately the individual player’s grass court achievement as per the following formula:

1.ESP points as at a week before The Championships
2.Add 100% points earned for all grass court tournaments in the past 12 months
3.Add 75% points earned for best grass court tournament in the 12 months before that.
For the Ladies, the seeding order follows the ranking list, except where in the opinion of the Committee, the grass court credentials of a particular player necessitates a change in the interest of achieving a balanced draw.

jrollaneres25
Jun 16th, 2009, 03:50 PM
Hey, that's tomorrow isn't it?

jrollaneres25
May 18th, 2010, 08:44 PM
I still think they should-lolz