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iGOAT
Feb 21st, 2009, 05:20 AM
As you may know (or can probably guess) I am fairly shocked to see Szavay in the qualifying here, but I had a question...

If (big, BIG, BIG if) she should qualify, will she take the position of a normal qualifier or how she should be seeded, like ITF? :confused:

Mikey.
Feb 21st, 2009, 05:27 AM
Why is she in qualifying in the first place? :unsure: I thought her ranking was high enough for her to get into the main draw. :unsure:

iGOAT
Feb 21st, 2009, 05:30 AM
She's a late entry and they don't have the rule anymore that you're first alternate if you enter late and the idiot tournament directors didn't give her a wildcard cause they wanted to see a Mexican get bageled instead :rolleyes:

Amalgamate
Feb 21st, 2009, 05:31 AM
You pose an interesting question, I too would like the answer.

hellas719
Feb 21st, 2009, 06:44 AM
I've never seen this situation before, and usually MD comes out before Qualifying ends. It will be very interesting to see what will happen:scratch:

Usually, the directors would give a WC, but why not this time. Mexico has 2 tournaments, so 2 chances for the mexican girls to play. Why not get some quality players like Szavay in MD instead of unranked Mexicans:rolleyes:
(no offense)

Karsten Braasch
Feb 21st, 2009, 06:45 AM
Qualifiers can be seeds. ;)

In The Zone
Feb 21st, 2009, 06:49 AM
She's a late entry and they don't have the rule anymore that you're first alternate if you enter late and the idiot tournament directors didn't give her a wildcard cause they wanted to see a Mexican get bageled instead :rolleyes:

Are you sure?

I just think no one withdrew and since she entered late, she can play qualifying.

With Szavay's form, she needs the qualifying.

iGOAT
Feb 21st, 2009, 06:56 AM
Are you sure?

I just think no one withdrew and since she entered late, she can play qualifying.

With Szavay's form, she needs the qualifying.
Lots of people withdrew.

In The Zone
Feb 21st, 2009, 06:58 AM
Lots of people withdrew.

That's interesting. So why would players even bother to enter late? Szavay knew this going into it, at least. She must know she needs the extra matches.

Petkorazzi
Feb 21st, 2009, 08:09 AM
:rolleyes: I think it's the correct decision from the organizers to give her a WC. Do you think with her current form she'd win a match in MD? :rolleyes: She needs some matches under her belt to get the confidence back up. Furthermore, Mexico has only two tournaments, so it's obvious they wanna give their girls a chance. :rolleyes: These home tourneys have been a breakthrough for many players in the past.

Mynarco
Feb 21st, 2009, 10:27 AM
http://www.sonyericssonwtatour.com/3/global/includes/TrackIt.asp?file=http://www.sonyericssonwtatour.com/1/global/Pdfs/events/2009/acapulco_draws.pdf
:confused:

Ballbasher
Feb 21st, 2009, 10:28 AM
Yes she does. She entered late, so she has to play qualies and TBE said, she isn't on the marquee player list.

Mynarco
Feb 21st, 2009, 10:29 AM
Yes she does. She entered late, so she has to play qualies.

Ahhh...If she didn't get into MD, it would be a REAL shame :tape:

darkangel23
Feb 21st, 2009, 10:32 AM
Wouldn't be bad for her. She plays so badly right now she can use some practice!

Ballbasher
Feb 21st, 2009, 10:38 AM
Ahhh...If she didn't get into MD, it would be a REAL shame :tape:
Yes :lol:
Q1:Salerni - has been a WTA finalist before, but just came back.
Q2:Larsson - qualified for Bogota, took an injured Suarez Navarro toa TB in Set 1
Q3:Sanchez/Cabeza Candela/Arn - Sanchez bad losing streak, Cabeza Candela Spanian clay player almost qualified for Bogota, Arn rather bad form lately.

She should qualify :p

Christinawww
Feb 21st, 2009, 10:42 AM
As you may know (or can probably guess) I am fairly shocked to see Szavay in the qualifying here, but I had a question...

If (big, BIG, BIG if) she should qualify, will she take the position of a normal qualifier or how she should be seeded, like ITF? :confused:

I think she will be placed as a normal/regular qualifier. The draw is made with the seeds, before the qualification is over.

Elisse
Feb 21st, 2009, 10:48 AM
If (big, BIG, BIG if) she should qualify, will she take the position of a normal qualifier or how she should be seeded, like ITF? :confused:

Good question! :help: I think even if you asked it to Larry Scott though...he wouldn't know either! :tape: :lol:

Elisse
Feb 21st, 2009, 10:50 AM
I think she will be placed as a normal/regular qualifier. The draw is made with the seeds, before the qualification is over.

Agree - I think she would just go in as a 'normal' qualifier.

TheBoiledEgg
Feb 21st, 2009, 10:53 AM
before there used to one entry list
now qualifying list is done 3 weeks after Maindraw list is out.
Szavay entered the qualifying list after not putting her name down initially.

Marquee and Top 10 (what was Gold Exempt)players who enter late (put name down for the maindraw list and are put in front of the queue when players pull out).

maindraw is tomorrow at 2:30pm

sammy01
Feb 21st, 2009, 11:56 AM
:rolleyes: I think it's the correct decision from the organizers to give her a WC. Do you think with her current form she'd win a match in MD? :rolleyes: She needs some matches under her belt to get the confidence back up. Furthermore, Mexico has only two tournaments, so it's obvious they wanna give their girls a chance. :rolleyes: These home tourneys have been a breakthrough for many players in the past.

chill with the eye rolling and if a girls gonna break through she will do it whatever tournament or way of climbing the ranks.

Shvedbarilescu
Feb 21st, 2009, 12:13 PM
I suspect Szavay being in the qualifying draw was a deliberate, and I should add very clever, move by Agnes. Szavay has lost in the 1st round of her last 7 tournaments. She needs wins; she needs confidence. Much better for her to go into this tournament with the momentum of three wins from qualifying, than to start the tournament having the bagage of a really rather grim losing streak. An additional benefit for Szavay is that playing these relatively easy qualifying matches to get used to how the surface is playing is excellent preparation for her 1st match proper on clay this year.

Yes, it could backfire, were Agnes to lose in qualifying. But even were that to happen the decision to enter qualifying could hardly be regarded as a mistake. In such circumstances, it is unlikely she would have won a match in the main draw anyway.

Personally I think this will work well for her and I expect her to qualify and win some matches in the main draw as well. I wouldn't actually be surprised to see her build momentum over the course of the tournament and end up winning it.

nevetssllim
Feb 21st, 2009, 12:51 PM
Maybe she just wants match practice or the confidence of getting a win?

Schiavone played in the qualies at one of the pre-AO tournaments so it's not unusual.

iGOAT
Feb 21st, 2009, 01:50 PM
OK, I understand why she is in qualifying, I'm really not sure if it is the best choice or not, we will see.

I just wonder if she will be seeded should she make the main draw, because she would be normally.

Noctis
Feb 21st, 2009, 05:01 PM
http://www.sonyericssonwtatour.com/3/global/includes/TrackIt.asp?file=http://www.sonyericssonwtatour.com/1/global/Pdfs/events/2009/acapulco_draws.pdf

Did they done this on purpose noticing her slump,sg would lose 1st round and given someone else her place instead? :spit:

(Whats the really reason :shrug:)

Ciarán
Feb 21st, 2009, 05:02 PM
OMG Ágnes :o

champion88
Feb 21st, 2009, 05:03 PM
she probably entered too late for main draw so had to play qualies? :shrug:

spiritedenergy
Feb 21st, 2009, 05:04 PM
:tape::help:

TennisViewer531
Feb 21st, 2009, 05:05 PM
Wish her luck!

Dawson.
Feb 21st, 2009, 05:10 PM
she'll probably find a way to lose too :o

M.P
Feb 21st, 2009, 05:14 PM
at least she can get some points from this

hellas719
Feb 21st, 2009, 06:20 PM
sometimes they change the MD, so if Agi qualifies, they might switch the draw around a little bit:shrug:

Petkorazzi
Feb 21st, 2009, 07:08 PM
chill with the eye rolling and if a girls gonna break through she will do it whatever tournament or way of climbing the ranks.
I can roll my eyes as much as I want and you have no right to judge it. :kiss:

These big matches have proven to be a breakthrough for many players, and I remember a player saying that breaking top 300 was harder than breaking top 50 for her (Possible Govortsova or Pironkova) so these local girls need a chance to show theirselfs and if not break through, then get some experience at least. They totally deserve to play there, Agnes can blame herself for having to qualify. :shrug:

iGOAT
Feb 21st, 2009, 07:21 PM
I can roll my eyes as much as I want and you have no right to judge it. :kiss:

These big matches have proven to be a breakthrough for many players, and I remember a player saying that breaking top 300 was harder than breaking top 50 for her (Possible Govortsova or Pironkova) so these local girls need a chance to show theirselfs and if not break through, then get some experience at least. They totally deserve to play there, Agnes can blame herself for having to qualify. :shrug:
That's great but we're totally off-topic, I'm wondering if she will be seeded should she make the main draw?

Petkorazzi
Feb 21st, 2009, 07:28 PM
I know they sometimes wait in ITFs(All times I think, but cant say surely) but never heard about WTA.

DimaDinosaur
Feb 21st, 2009, 07:49 PM
She's nothing special and those type of players belong in qualifying :)

tobi
Feb 21st, 2009, 10:56 PM
They are delaying the MD until qualifying finishs at the similar situations at ITF events but I cant remember any example about it at ATP/WTA events.

Actually Tursunov was late entry to quali in Zagreb,similar to Szavay,qualified and placed as a normal qualifier.

He was ranked #30 in time,which should have been 5th seed in MD with normal entry.

Uranium
Feb 22nd, 2009, 03:53 AM
They are delaying the MD until qualifying finishs at the similar situations at ITF events but I cant remember any example about it at ATP/WTA events.

Actually Tursunov was late entry to quali in Zagreb,similar to Szavay,qualified and placed as a normal qualifier.

He was ranked #30 in time,which should have been 5th seed in MD with normal entry.

That sucks, so you could get like a possible QF or better match in round 1:o
Imagine Agnes drawing Flavia or Venus in round 1 :help:

Wait so Main Draw won't be made til Monday if they do wait for qualify to finish?:scratch: I was told it was will be done tomorrow.

Simplicity.
Feb 22nd, 2009, 05:41 AM
She's a late entry and they don't have the rule anymore that you're first alternate if you enter late and the idiot tournament directors didn't give her a wildcard cause they wanted to see a Mexican get bageled instead :rolleyes:

If she cant sign up on time, she deserves to be in qualifying.

Sally Todd
Feb 22nd, 2009, 05:55 AM
They are delaying the MD until qualifying finishs at the similar situations at ITF events but I cant remember any example about it at ATP/WTA events.

Actually Tursunov was late entry to quali in Zagreb,similar to Szavay,qualified and placed as a normal qualifier.

He was ranked #30 in time,which should have been 5th seed in MD with normal entry.

Tobi, that Nadal avy and banner: :hearts:.

This is a good decision by/for Agnes. Those of us who like her know things have been way off course for some time now. Aside from Paris, she started '08 quite poorly as well, and righted herself somewhat on clay. So it's good for her to get the match play, and in a manner that will help boost her confidence. :)

Ballbasher
Feb 22nd, 2009, 09:46 AM
If Agnes gets a good placement, this was the best decision for her possible and she may go far in Main Draw! :)

cherboy
Feb 22nd, 2009, 10:16 AM
the same happens to schiavone in hobart this year.
i'm not sure if this happens because the decided to late, that she'll play there or if the she wants to go through the quali to get some match practise and a bit more confidence.

TheBoiledEgg
Feb 22nd, 2009, 11:12 AM
like i said before there was only 1 deadline
now there are two
one for maindraw
and quali list 3 weeks after, some players see who's in MD list and decide after to enter, some decide cos they need some match wins.

iGOAT
Feb 22nd, 2009, 03:39 PM
like i said before there was only 1 deadline
now there are two
one for maindraw
and quali list 3 weeks after, some players see who's in MD list and decide after to enter, some decide cos they need some match wins.
Yeah but will she be seeded?

tejmeglekvár
Feb 22nd, 2009, 03:58 PM
Yeah but will she be seeded?

why would be seeded?
she's just a (possible) qualifier.

iGOAT
Feb 22nd, 2009, 04:02 PM
why would be seeded?
she's just a (possible) qualifier.
Cause her ranking is higher than most of the seeds.

TheBoiledEgg
Feb 22nd, 2009, 04:08 PM
she wont be seeded as draw is done today.

iGOAT
Feb 22nd, 2009, 04:26 PM
:o Now that I do not like :help:

anubhuti24
Feb 22nd, 2009, 04:35 PM
stupid tournament!

Mightymirza
Feb 22nd, 2009, 05:58 PM
Well she just won her 1st match in such a long time :shrug: Go Agnes ;)

iGOAT
Feb 22nd, 2009, 11:52 PM
I can roll my eyes as much as I want and you have no right to judge it. :kiss:

These big matches have proven to be a breakthrough for many players, and I remember a player saying that breaking top 300 was harder than breaking top 50 for her (Possible Govortsova or Pironkova) so these local girls need a chance to show theirselfs and if not break through, then get some experience at least. They totally deserve to play there, Agnes can blame herself for having to qualify. :shrug:
You seriously think "Anna Orlik" deserved a wildcard more than Szavay? :help:

Ballbasher
Feb 22nd, 2009, 11:56 PM
As long as she entered on time, yes :)

iGOAT
Feb 23rd, 2009, 01:05 AM
Oh come on :rolleyes:

Everyone acting like it is Szavay's fault for entering late when people enter late all the time (see Jankovic at Paris). She deserves a wildcard more than some junior who has hardly even done anything but just has the right management company :mad:

Noctis
Feb 23rd, 2009, 01:17 AM
Oh come on :rolleyes:

Everyone acting like it is Szavay's fault for entering late when people enter late all the time (see Jankovic at Paris). She deserves a wildcard more than some junior who has hardly even done anything but just has the right management company :mad:

Your going too far,She doesn't deserve wc this level of playing she's putting.I think the organizers is too nice to even let her playing qualifying,knowing she'll give a crap ass performance in a maindraw:rolleyes:

iGOAT
Feb 23rd, 2009, 01:40 AM
Your going too far,She doesn't deserve wc this level of playing she's putting.I think the organizers is too nice to even let her playing qualifying,knowing she'll give a crap ass performance in a maindraw:rolleyes:
If the organizers didn't let her play qualifying they would get Dubai treatment :o

Noctis
Feb 23rd, 2009, 01:53 AM
If the organizers didn't let her play qualifying they would get Dubai treatment :o

They didn't give her a Wc for MD,So obviously they don't care or even want her to play there if she will gives a crap ass performance.So consider it's nice to even let her play.

iGOAT
Feb 23rd, 2009, 01:57 AM
They didn't give her a Wc for MD,So obviously they don't care or even want her to play there if she will gives a crap ass performance.So consider it's nice to even let her play.
Umm, the rules are that a tournament has to accept anyone who qualifies by ranking. She entered on time for qualies. That's like saying the French Open is nice to accept Serena cause the crowd doesn't like her :help:

If they weren't "nice" and didn't let her play cause they thought she would lose, I will venture to guess there would be no more Acapulco tournament :o

charmedRic
Feb 23rd, 2009, 01:58 AM
lol

Noctis
Feb 23rd, 2009, 02:06 AM
Umm, the rules are that a tournament has to accept anyone who qualifies by ranking. She entered on time for qualies. That's like saying the French Open is nice to accept Serena cause the crowd doesn't like her :help:

If they weren't "nice" and didn't let her play cause they thought she would lose, I will venture to guess there would be no more Acapulco tournament :o

But Serena never enters late and would get WC Anywhere she wants Cos she such a big star.All I am sati g Agnes don't deserve a WC with her performance this half year.

iGOAT
Feb 23rd, 2009, 02:37 AM
But Serena never enters late and would get WC Anywhere she wants Cos she such a big star.All I am sati g Agnes don't deserve a WC with her performance this half year.
Completely irrelevant.

Noctis
Feb 23rd, 2009, 02:40 AM
Completely irrelevant.

You Said:
She deserves a wildcard more than some junior who has hardly even done anything but just has the right management company

iGOAT
Feb 23rd, 2009, 02:44 AM
You Said:
She deserves a wildcard more than some junior who has hardly even done anything but just has the right management company
OK, but someone who has won big titles, gone far in Grand Slams, beat good players, been in the top 20 etc. deserves a wildcard over someone who has done hardly anything but has a good management deal

Noctis
Feb 23rd, 2009, 02:55 AM
OK, but someone who has won big titles, gone far in Grand Slams, beat good players, been in the top 20 etc. deserves a wildcard over someone who has done hardly anything but has a good management deal

I just hope she draws this someone who has done hardly anything but has a good management deal and you'll see my point:lol:

iGOAT
Feb 23rd, 2009, 04:34 AM
I just hope she draws this someone who has done hardly anything but has a good management deal and you'll see my point:lol:
OK if Szavay plays Orlik and loses you get all my credits :p

iGOAT
Feb 23rd, 2009, 06:09 AM
Let it go already. You're acting as if Szavay is a 10 time slam champ. The rules have changed, and as someone else has already stated, Szavay is not a part of the marquee list.

Oh, I was really bothered by the negative emphasis that you placed on "Mexican". Does it really bother you that Szavay may not be seeded if she actually qualifies for the main draw? Seriously... she lost to Pin last week. :lol:
It wouldn't bother me if they gave the wildcards to Mexicans, but considering Orlik got one I am pretty mad. I am mad she doesn't get a seeding though, because she is higher-ranked than some of the seeds and she could've drawn Venus.

Also I don't care that much, but I continue arguing for the sake that I don't like being wrong ;):lol:

ms_nut
Feb 23rd, 2009, 12:24 PM
Oh come on :rolleyes:

Everyone acting like it is Szavay's fault for entering late when people enter late all the time (see Jankovic at Paris). She deserves a wildcard more than some junior who has hardly even done anything but just has the right management company :mad:

Well, Jankovic wouldn't have played the event if she had to go through Qualifying...If Szavay entered late and was denied a WC, then she had the option of not playing the event at all.Obviously she doesn't feel wronged....:shrug:Maybe she doesn't mind playing Qualifying.. it will be a good chance for her to get some wins and come into the main draw full of confidence.. Also, if Szavay plays like she's capable of playing, does being seeded really matter?

Harvs
Feb 23rd, 2009, 12:29 PM
lol the tournament wouldnt give szavay a wildcard...

she may have done great things and what not but shes not a drawcard... the people are more likely to come out and watch some mexican wildcard who will get thumped rather than szavay, despite her being a much better player.

thats just the way it is:shrug:

TheBoiledEgg
Feb 23rd, 2009, 12:50 PM
she specifically entered the qualifying event to win matches
she didnt enter late, she entered the Q event on time.

Navratil
Feb 23rd, 2009, 12:59 PM
I've never seen a situation like that before.

Is it right that a late entry can be forced to play qualifying and then take a place of a seeded player in the main draw?

How is that possible? The would need to change the main-draw??

Wojtek
Feb 24th, 2009, 06:21 AM
She's a late entry and they don't have the rule anymore that you're first alternate if you enter late and the idiot tournament directors didn't give her a wildcard cause they wanted to see a Mexican get bageled instead :rolleyes:

Szavay can't win against poor Arn. It's almost the same.

In The Zone
Feb 24th, 2009, 06:50 AM
she specifically entered the qualifying event to win matches
she didnt enter late, she entered the Q event on time.

That's what I figured.

Szavay did lose to Arn but it should be known that Szavay knew she was in the MD as a LL prior to the match.

Square on Square
Feb 24th, 2009, 06:58 AM
:confused:

Can do that? And LL before match?

Wojtek
Feb 24th, 2009, 07:56 AM
It wouldn't bother me if they gave the wildcards to Mexicans, but considering Orlik got one I am pretty mad. I am mad she doesn't get a seeding though, because she is higher-ranked than some of the seeds and she could've drawn Venus.

Also I don't care that much, but I continue arguing for the sake that I don't like being wrong ;):lol:


She lost To Arn - we will see if she beats Orlik. :tape:

TheBoiledEgg
Feb 24th, 2009, 11:58 AM
That's what I figured.

Szavay did lose to Arn but it should be known that Szavay knew she was in the MD as a LL prior to the match.

you dont lose a long 3 setter that way :p
better to lose in 40 mins

iGOAT
Mar 29th, 2009, 06:59 PM
Playing qualies turned out to be a great thing for her :)

Noctis
Mar 29th, 2009, 07:13 PM
What are you on about:scratch:

iGOAT
Mar 29th, 2009, 07:30 PM
What are you on about:scratch:
She got put in Acapulco qualies and everyone was laughing about how it showed how bad she was etc., but it turned out to be the turning point of her season, and possibly career

Temperenka
Mar 29th, 2009, 07:51 PM
She got put in Acapulco qualies and everyone was laughing about how it showed how bad she was etc., but it turned out to be the turning point of her season, and possibly career

iSzavay, you are WAYYYY jumping the gun. She, like all of the other recovering slumpaholics still has a long way to go before the "turning point of her season, career." Season, yes.. but she is perfectly capable of losing to Brie Whitehead next week too. It is just the nature of these girls right now.