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gmokb
Feb 20th, 2009, 10:08 PM
I saw this article and thought I would share. I also must have missed the boycott of IW on the WS behalf, thus the shock and outrage that they didn't lead the charge and boycott here.:rolleyes: It never cease to surprise me the bunch of hypocritics and double standard in the world


Williams sisters should've taken a stand
By Jemele Hill

Some eight years ago, Venus Williams withdrew from a tournament in Indian Wells, Calif., before she was due to meet her sister, Serena, in a semifinal match, which drew raucous boos from the crowd.

More than a few people speculated it was match fixing. According to their father, Richard Williams, as he and Venus were walking to their seats for the championship match to watch Serena, some fans called Venus the n-word, and another fan threatened to skin him alive.

"It's the worst act of prejudice I've seen since they killed Martin Luther King," Richard Williams said at the time.

The issue of the Williams sisters' double burden of gender and race was once again a national discussion. Tournament organizers denied the charges, and others intensely debated the accuracy of Richard Williams' allegations. Martina Hingis called the accusations "total nonsense" and went as far as to say she didn't think there was any racism at all on the WTA Tour.

But did the Williams sisters back down? No. In fact, they have boycotted the Indian Wells tournament ever since.

Given that experience, you would think they would have shown the same backbone and determination this week in Dubai after a fellow tour member became a victim of discrimination.

By now you've probably heard about the controversy surrounding Israeli tennis player Shahar Peer, who was not allowed to play at the Barclays Dubai Tennis Championships.

Serena Williams defeated Shahar Peer in the 2007 Australian Open.
A Jewish woman traveling on an Israeli passport, Peer was denied a visa in what appears to be a clear-cut case of unfair treatment. Even though WTA rules state a player can participate in any event as long as she has the required ranking, tournament director Salah Tahlak said he feared the presence of Peer, the 45th-ranked female tennis player in the world, would have "antagonized" fans.

It was a handy, but pitiful, excuse. Yes it's true that protesters demonstrated when Peer played at a tournament in New Zealand, waving anti-Israel signs and yelling disruptively. But if security was such an issue, why was Israeli Andy Ram given special permission to play in the Dubai men's event next week?

This was a rare opportunity to make a significant stand. If anyone should have accepted the challenge and taken up Peer's fight, it should have been the Williams sisters, whose immense success always has been intertwined with the underlying tension created by their race and gender.

It didn't matter that Peer said it would have been unfair to the players if the event were canceled. The two biggest icons in women's tennis should have boycotted anyway, instead of offering their colleague surface-level support and shallow rationalizations.

"I have to look at the bigger picture," Venus told reporters. "The big picture is that Shahar Peer didn't get a chance to play, but making an immediate decision we also have to look at sponsors, fans and everyone who has invested a lot in the tournament."

The Tennis Channel and the Wall Street Journal's European edition were the only ones who seemed to understand it was time to act, not talk. The Tennis Channel canceled its coverage of the event, and the newspaper pulled its advertising. Meanwhile, the Williams sisters chose money over principle and met Friday in a semifinal matchup, with Venus winning in a third-set tiebreaker.

"Sponsors are important to us," Venus said. "We wouldn't be here without sponsors and we can't let them down. Whatever we do, we need to do as a team -- players, sponsors, tour and whoever -- and not all break off in one direction. We are team players."

If playing for a lucrative purse is more important than taking a stand for fairness, Venus needs to re-evaluate her definition of a team player.

If this had been a racial issue, the Williams sisters would never have played in Dubai, and I couldn't imagine Venus' expressing such unabashed loyalty to her sponsors, or even caring what sponsors thought. I'm certain the WTA would have withdrawn and the media coverage worldwide would have been unrelenting.

Some of you probably think I'm being unfair by singling out the Williams sisters. There were 53 other female players in the tournament and any one of them could have boycotted on Peer's behalf.

It's not like the Williams sisters were the only ones who failed Peer. The WTA had some early indications Peer's participation could be denied. The tour should have threatened to boycott from the onset. Now that all this has transpired, it shouldn't sanction another event in Dubai.

But I expect more from Venus and Serena because they've experienced discrimination. I'm as disappointed in them as I was with Tiger Woods, who said Augusta National Golf Club had the right to set club rules however it saw fit, even if it meant excluding female members. Woods clearly forgot the club once used that same excuse to prohibit golfers of color from playing there.

When you're a leader of your sport, you bear a different responsibility, and the Williams sisters have assumed ownership of the torch once carried by Althea Gibson, Billie Jean King and Arthur Ashe.

If legacy and equality are important to Venus and Serena, they will give Dubai the Indian Wells treatment. Otherwise they'll be sanctioning treatment they would never accept for themselves.

V's a star
Feb 20th, 2009, 10:13 PM
I read this an hour. LMAO at hingis saying particularly back then there is no racism on tour. Its everywhere.........cant be stopped. dumb bitch. dam i thought i liked her till i read that

alwayshingis
Feb 20th, 2009, 10:13 PM
Just saw this article on ESPN.....

Another example of a poorly researched, poorly thought out blog masquerading as journalism.

Direwolf
Feb 20th, 2009, 10:21 PM
""Meanwhile, the Williams sisters chose money over principle""
-- well what actually Symbolizes when
Shahar accepted that 44000+ money??
she shoulve refused the money and take the dubai authorities to
a higher court...
"worth fighting for??"
- ill hush first...

TAKE NOTE:
SERENA DID NOT BOYCOTT INDIAN WELLS WHEN SHE
FIRST HEARD THAT BOO
FIRST HEARD A RACIST REMARK


"Sponsors are important to us," Venus said. "We wouldn't be here without sponsors and we can't let them down. Whatever we do, we need to do as a team -- players, sponsors, tour and whoever -- and not all break off in one direction. We are team players."
- hoorah!!!


"If legacy and equality are important to Venus and Serena, they will give Dubai the Indian Wells treatment. Otherwise they'll be sanctioning treatment they would never accept for themselves."
- its not that easy to boycott a tournament that has treated you well noh??
time will state their opinion...
im guessing that they'll wait at the right moment to speak out??

Destiny
Feb 20th, 2009, 10:27 PM
Journalist are idiots when it comes to tennis ine general :o

Fabunny
Feb 20th, 2009, 10:43 PM
I did not see any players take a stand and boycott Indian Wells on behalf of the Williams sisters. Besides, the situations are completely differently. I don't see how one can compare fans' treatment of players at a tournament to tournament organizers and country officials making a concerted effort (adopting a policy) to discriminate against players from a certain country.

The Williams sisters are choosing not to play the Indian Wells tournament because they did not appreciate the way the tennis fans in that city treated both of them and their family. As independent contractors, they are entitled to play in cities where THEY feel fans will appreciate them, or, at the very least, not be so blatantly vulgar, rude and offensive. If they feel they were treated so badly that they are not comfortable playing there ever again - so be it. Indian Wells' loss is another city's gain.

Rocketta
Feb 20th, 2009, 10:54 PM
I didn't bother to read the article but considering the late date at which Shahar was denied the visa, clearly the tournament was going to take place. Kudos to those who were able to pull from the tournament but that doesn't mean it was viable for everyone. :shrug:

bobbynorwich
Feb 20th, 2009, 10:55 PM
I saw this article and thought I would share. I also must have missed the boycott of IW on the WS behalf, thus the shock and outrage that they didn't lead the charge and boycott here.:rolleyes: It never cease to surprise me the bunch of hypocritics and double standard in the world.

ARTICLE: Williams sisters should've taken a stand
By Jemele Hill

" Some eight years ago, Venus Williams withdrew from a tournament in Indian Wells, Calif., before she was due to meet her sister, Serena, in a semifinal match, which drew raucous boos from the crowd........................................

If this had been a racial issue, the Williams sisters would never have played in Dubai, and I couldn't imagine Venus' expressing such unabashed loyalty to her sponsors, or even caring what sponsors thought. I'm certain the WTA would have withdrawn and the media coverage worldwide would have been unrelenting."


It would be helpful to know the source of this article.

It's true that if a player was denied admittance to Dubai because she was black, there'd have been a deafening worldwide outcry and the tournament immediately canceled. If Dubai had said no admittance to any Jewish player from any country the outcry would have been just as loud. However, it was due to her nationality --- technically at least --- thus people didn't read it as racial/ethnic. At least in people's perception that a subtle, but important, difference.

And remember that Venus was one of only a handful of players who spoke out against Dubai for denying Peer's visa. Courageous enough.

.

virtue05
Feb 20th, 2009, 11:08 PM
It would be helpful to know the source of this article.

It's true that if a player was denied admittance to Dubai because she was black, there'd have been a deafening worldwide outcry and the tournament immediately canceled. If Dubai had said no admittance to any Jewish player from any country the outcry would have been just as loud. However, it was due to her nationality --- technically at least --- thus people didn't read it as racial/ethnic. At least in people's perception that a subtle, but important, difference.

And remember that Venus was one of only a handful of players who spoke out against Dubai for denying Peer's visa. Courageous enough.

.



The article is from ESPN, and I find it rediculous that people are asking the Williams sisters to take a stand, when there was no one to stand up for them.

Philbo
Feb 20th, 2009, 11:16 PM
Oh my god I cannot believe this article. The most prominent thought that first springs to mind is 'why the hell is it the williams responsiblity to protest on behalf of Shahar Peer? Why single them out for chrissakes????

At the end of the day, womens tennis players, just like the men, are selfish people! They need to be in order to remain competitive on tour. When Monica Seles got stabbed in the back by a fan of her rival, one player only supported her and that was Gabriela Sabatini much to her eternal credit. Every other player was more concerned about ranking points and grabbing the number 1 spot for themselves than saving it for Monica which would have been the correct moral thing to do.
Nothings changed on tour and I dont really blame the players for this at all, and can someone please tell me why the article only mentions Venus and Serena and none of the other top players who played in Dubai?

Radix2
Feb 21st, 2009, 12:22 AM
Who ever wrote this article is a joke pretending to be a journalist. Why should Venus and Serena boycott the tournament as sign of protest because Peer was not granted a visa? I am still waiting for someone to take a stand and support the Williams' decision to not play Indian Wells because of the way in which they were treated.

Larrybidd
Feb 21st, 2009, 12:38 AM
I just love these So-called militant journalists talking about what political stand some other person should be taking. Look, take your own political stands and don't be appointing the WS as responsible for correcting social injustice everywhere. It was the WTA's job to pull the plug on the tourney when one of its members was screwed - not 2 individuals (who no doubt are already getting some flack from their sponsors for refusing to play IW).

terjw
Feb 21st, 2009, 12:41 AM
I don't think any player should have pulled out of Dubai or thought any the less of if they didn't -unless it was something they themselves wanted to do. A number of players gave their support to Peer. But the situation was being addressed by the WTA which is where the action needed to be taken and they have addressed it promptly. And remember Shahar herself said the tournament should go ahead and didn't want players pulling out for her.

Indian Wells is a completely different situation and the Williams have made a personal choice not to ever play there again. They have not been refused entry. And there's no reason at all why any other player should want to get mixed up in a personal dispute.

Experimentee
Feb 21st, 2009, 12:58 AM
This is so ridiculous :rolleyes:
Why should the WS be expected to boycott when no one else is?

tennnisfannn
Feb 21st, 2009, 01:03 AM
The attack on the sisters was personal, the treatment of Shahaar peer was not personal it was a political stand of two countries who have no diplomatic ties with each other, shahaar was the victim.
The sisters boycott IW for personal reasons- their decision.
If the best the CEO of the WTA could come up with was a statement, why does anyone expect more from the sisters. Larry could have stopped the tourny, he is after all the boss!

practiceboy
Feb 21st, 2009, 01:05 AM
Question to all of you who are saying that nobody should have been expected to do more about Dubai: would you feel differently if Peer were a Jewish American and the tournament organizers had said "No Jews at our tournament"?

And by the way, for those of you who are going to try and say that the tournament could not possibly be held accountable for the government's actions, think again; the head tournament organizers are very high-ranking government officials.

terjw
Feb 21st, 2009, 01:16 AM
The attack on the sisters was personal, the treatment of Shahaar peer was not personal it was a political stand of two countries who have no diplomatic ties with each other, shahaar was the victim.
The sisters boycott IW for personal reasons- their decision.
If the best the CEO of the WTA could come up with was a statement, why does anyone expect more from the sisters. Larry could have stopped the tourny, he is after all the boss!

The CEO of the WTA came up with far more than a statement. The tournament was rightly not stopped now. Shahar herself stated she didn't want it stopped. But there's plenty of action associated with that statement if you'd bothered to read it and this will ensure that this situation does not ever happen again and it compensates Shahar as well as applying a penalty to the tournament.

VeeReeDavJCap81
Feb 21st, 2009, 01:27 AM
On that note, why aren't ALL the players criticized for not standing up for the sisters at IW? People accusing of double standards are hypocrites themselves.

jrollaneres25
Feb 21st, 2009, 01:27 AM
I saw this article and thought I would share. I also must have missed the boycott of IW on the WS behalf, thus the shock and outrage that they didn't lead the charge and boycott here.:rolleyes: It never cease to surprise me the bunch of hypocritics and double standard in the world


Williams sisters should've taken a stand
By Jemele Hill

Some eight years ago, Venus Williams withdrew from a tournament in Indian Wells, Calif., before she was due to meet her sister, Serena, in a semifinal match, which drew raucous boos from the crowd.

More than a few people speculated it was match fixing. According to their father, Richard Williams, as he and Venus were walking to their seats for the championship match to watch Serena, some fans called Venus the n-word, and another fan threatened to skin him alive.

"It's the worst act of prejudice I've seen since they killed Martin Luther King," Richard Williams said at the time.

The issue of the Williams sisters' double burden of gender and race was once again a national discussion. Tournament organizers denied the charges, and others intensely debated the accuracy of Richard Williams' allegations. Martina Hingis called the accusations "total nonsense" and went as far as to say she didn't think there was any racism at all on the WTA Tour.

But did the Williams sisters back down? No. In fact, they have boycotted the Indian Wells tournament ever since.

Given that experience, you would think they would have shown the same backbone and determination this week in Dubai after a fellow tour member became a victim of discrimination.

By now you've probably heard about the controversy surrounding Israeli tennis player Shahar Peer, who was not allowed to play at the Barclays Dubai Tennis Championships.

Serena Williams defeated Shahar Peer in the 2007 Australian Open.
A Jewish woman traveling on an Israeli passport, Peer was denied a visa in what appears to be a clear-cut case of unfair treatment. Even though WTA rules state a player can participate in any event as long as she has the required ranking, tournament director Salah Tahlak said he feared the presence of Peer, the 45th-ranked female tennis player in the world, would have "antagonized" fans.

It was a handy, but pitiful, excuse. Yes it's true that protesters demonstrated when Peer played at a tournament in New Zealand, waving anti-Israel signs and yelling disruptively. But if security was such an issue, why was Israeli Andy Ram given special permission to play in the Dubai men's event next week?

This was a rare opportunity to make a significant stand. If anyone should have accepted the challenge and taken up Peer's fight, it should have been the Williams sisters, whose immense success always has been intertwined with the underlying tension created by their race and gender.

It didn't matter that Peer said it would have been unfair to the players if the event were canceled. The two biggest icons in women's tennis should have boycotted anyway, instead of offering their colleague surface-level support and shallow rationalizations.

"I have to look at the bigger picture," Venus told reporters. "The big picture is that Shahar Peer didn't get a chance to play, but making an immediate decision we also have to look at sponsors, fans and everyone who has invested a lot in the tournament."

The Tennis Channel and the Wall Street Journal's European edition were the only ones who seemed to understand it was time to act, not talk. The Tennis Channel canceled its coverage of the event, and the newspaper pulled its advertising. Meanwhile, the Williams sisters chose money over principle and met Friday in a semifinal matchup, with Venus winning in a third-set tiebreaker.

"Sponsors are important to us," Venus said. "We wouldn't be here without sponsors and we can't let them down. Whatever we do, we need to do as a team -- players, sponsors, tour and whoever -- and not all break off in one direction. We are team players."

If playing for a lucrative purse is more important than taking a stand for fairness, Venus needs to re-evaluate her definition of a team player.

If this had been a racial issue, the Williams sisters would never have played in Dubai, and I couldn't imagine Venus' expressing such unabashed loyalty to her sponsors, or even caring what sponsors thought. I'm certain the WTA would have withdrawn and the media coverage worldwide would have been unrelenting.

Some of you probably think I'm being unfair by singling out the Williams sisters. There were 53 other female players in the tournament and any one of them could have boycotted on Peer's behalf.

It's not like the Williams sisters were the only ones who failed Peer. The WTA had some early indications Peer's participation could be denied. The tour should have threatened to boycott from the onset. Now that all this has transpired, it shouldn't sanction another event in Dubai.

But I expect more from Venus and Serena because they've experienced discrimination. I'm as disappointed in them as I was with Tiger Woods, who said Augusta National Golf Club had the right to set club rules however it saw fit, even if it meant excluding female members. Woods clearly forgot the club once used that same excuse to prohibit golfers of color from playing there.

When you're a leader of your sport, you bear a different responsibility, and the Williams sisters have assumed ownership of the torch once carried by Althea Gibson, Billie Jean King and Arthur Ashe.

If legacy and equality are important to Venus and Serena, they will give Dubai the Indian Wells treatment. Otherwise they'll be sanctioning treatment they would never accept for themselves.

Okay, so here's my issue with this. The Williams Sisters had to go thru a terrible experience IN THEIR OWN COUNTRY and had NO ONE to defend them in that situation. So their stand is totally plausible and neccessary.

Now, Shahar Peer's situation is definitely similiar, but is someone doing something about it? ABSOLUTELY!!!:mad:

There was a golbal apology from Larry Scott (Ceo of WTA TOUR) and Dubai maybe cut off the tour FOR GOOD.

Also, There is a meeting about this very situation next month that Venus is attending herself, as she is a lead speaker and person on the WTA's women's council committee.


So this is totally inaccurate against The Sisters:rolleyes:

Dave.
Feb 21st, 2009, 01:59 AM
There is no connection between these two events. They are COMPLETELY DIFFERENT situations.

The Williamses are not boycotting IW, they just choose not to play there. So why should they have any extra responsibility to stick up for Peer and boycott Dubai?

Peer was prevented from playing Dubai, so she deserves the response the WTA has made. The Williamses were not prevented in any way from playing IW and have not been wronged like Peer was, so the WTA didn't need to do anything for them.

Chriskip
Feb 21st, 2009, 02:07 AM
More than a few people speculated it was match fixing. According to their father, Richard Williams, as he and Venus were walking to their seats for the championship match to watch Serena, some fans called Venus the n-word, and another fan threatened to skin him alive.
"It's the worst act of prejudice I've seen since they killed Martin Luther King," Richard Williams said at the time.
The issue of the Williams sisters' double burden of gender and race was once again a national discussion. Tournament organizers denied the charges, and others intensely debated the accuracy of Richard Williams' allegations. Martina Hingis called the accusations "total nonsense" and went as far as to say she didn't think there was any racism at all on the WTA Tour..........
But I expect more from Venus and Serena because they've experienced discrimination.

So first they (organizers, players and, most certainly, the journalists) deny that what the family said, did happen, and it was taken by the majority that it didnt happen and they had no reason to respond the way they did. But now because it pleases them and they want to use the ladies to further their cause, they are now saying they have indeed been discriminated against? Aint that a trip....I guess as bad as the Shahar situation is this week something significant did come out of it then.....an acknowledement of what many have been denying all along.

This was a rare opportunity to make a significant stand. If anyone should have accepted the challenge and taken up Peer's fight, it should have been the Williams sisters, whose immense success always has been intertwined with the underlying tension created by their race and gender.
If playing for a lucrative purse is more important than taking a stand for fairness, Venus needs to re-evaluate her definition of a team player.
If this had been a racial issue, the Williams sisters would never have played in Dubai, and I couldn't imagine Venus' expressing such unabashed loyalty to her sponsors, or even caring what sponsors thought. I'm certain the WTA would have withdrawn and the media coverage worldwide would have been unrelenting.

So poor old Venus and Serena, on top of fighting the obvious avoidable challenges they face in most of the places they play, including their own country, are supposed to take up the fight of all the players on the entire tour....some of whom act as if they hate them with a passion. I have been watching tennis long enough to be able to identify instances where these ladies have been put through the ringer from various persons in different aspects of the tennis world and no-one came to their defence. Everyone else just wanted to concentrate on their games or didnt know what had happened. Now for especially Venus who is so outspoken on various aspects of players rights etc.I think its unfair to want her to bear the burden of the entire tour while other players are allowed to focus on their games, playing every tourney in sight week after week. Damn, if the girl was to do that she would have to retire and take over Larry Scott's job. None of the other players on tour fight the racial fight for V&S. In fact many of them seem to revel in the tauntings V&S may receive when they are playing a match against them.
Damned if you do and damned if you dont. I am just thankful Richard and Oracene raised these 2 ladies well and with strength to deal with all they will be facing in their lifetime from many in the establishment they chose to be a part of

Black Mamba.
Feb 21st, 2009, 02:12 AM
Jemele Hill is an idiot. I've followed her career on ESPN and she has 0 sports knowledge and loves to right race based articles. First and foremost it isn't Serena and Venus's job to try to rid the world of bigotry. I hate it when Black writers like Hill assume that just because certain athletes are Black that they should be the in the forefront every time discrimination happens. Last time I checked discrimination is a problem that impacts everyone not just minorities and until we look at discrimination, no matter its form, as something that impacts us all things won't change.

Serenita
Feb 21st, 2009, 02:39 AM
So the WTA is standing-up for Peer, Are they going to stand-up for Serena and Venus against IW? where is the double standard in that? Hypocrites!

goldenslam888
Feb 21st, 2009, 02:54 AM
what do they expect? serena and venus ain't no muhummad ali or billie jean?

they will always do whats best for themselves, besides, they're are not articulate or intelligent enough to make a bold stand for a fellow player.

they are not even great champions. just whats left of a sorry lot.

StarDuvallGrant
Feb 21st, 2009, 02:57 AM
Serena has been standing up and speaking up for herself. I can imagine Shahar can do the same.

miffedmax
Feb 21st, 2009, 03:22 AM
Talk about showing up a day lat and a dollar short...the WTA has already addressed the isssue, the Dubai people have changed their approach for Ram.

tennnisfannn
Feb 21st, 2009, 03:32 AM
The CEO of the WTA came up with far more than a statement. The tournament was rightly not stopped now. Shahar herself stated she didn't want it stopped. But there's plenty of action associated with that statement if you'd bothered to read it and this will ensure that this situation does not ever happen again and it compensates Shahar as well as applying a penalty to the tournament.
I did indeed read but fact is Peer did not play dubai in 09, there is measures against it happening in the future and fines imposed (not a whole lot) but for 09 the WTA did not ensure that Peer played, so should venus and serena have quit playing in 09 to even it/ would it have made any difference?
It is so much easier to criticise that Peer did not get a chance to play (it was a great wrong), the WTA did not prevent the Seles stabbing and if the dubai org felt they could not ensure her safety surely they must have felt it was in the best interest of everyone if they did not allow for any incidents.
Unforunatley we live in a time riddled with terror and terror threats, personally I am glad Peer never played dubai esp afterr the protests in New Zealand.
Look at the davis cup between sweden and aus being played with no crowd for fear of terror threats.
Peer has been caught up in a situation that is not of her own doing, it is bigger than herself or even the dubai organisers'.

DA FOREHAND
Feb 21st, 2009, 05:29 AM
""Meanwhile, the Williams sisters chose money over principle""
-- well what actually Symbolizes when
Shahar accepted that 44000+ money??
she shoulve refused the money and take the dubai authorities to
a higher court...
"worth fighting for??"
- ill hush first...

TAKE NOTE:
SERENA DID NOT BOYCOTT INDIAN WELLS WHEN SHE
FIRST HEARD THAT BOO
FIRST HEARD A RACIST REMARK


"Sponsors are important to us," Venus said. "We wouldn't be here without sponsors and we can't let them down. Whatever we do, we need to do as a team -- players, sponsors, tour and whoever -- and not all break off in one direction. We are team players."
- hoorah!!!


"If legacy and equality are important to Venus and Serena, they will give Dubai the Indian Wells treatment. Otherwise they'll be sanctioning treatment they would never accept for themselves."
- its not that easy to boycott a tournament that has treated you well noh??
time will state their opinion...
im guessing that they'll wait at the right moment to speak out??wfully


what next you expect Andy Ram to boycott Dubai?:rolleyes:




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DA FOREHAND
Feb 21st, 2009, 05:32 AM
On that note, why aren't ALL the players criticized for not standing up for the sisters at IW? People accusing of double standards are hypocrites themselves.

because the sisters brought that upon themselves. I mean if they hadn't given the establishment the hand, perhaps "we" wouldn't be suspicious of them.:rolleyes:

DA FOREHAND
Feb 21st, 2009, 05:36 AM
Oh my god I cannot believe this article. The most prominent thought that first springs to mind is 'why the hell is it the williams responsiblity to protest on behalf of Shahar Peer? Why single them out for chrissakes????

At the end of the day, womens tennis players, just like the men, are selfish people! They need to be in order to remain competitive on tour. When Monica Seles got stabbed in the back by a fan of her rival, one player only supported her and that was Gabriela Sabatini much to her eternal credit. Every other player was more concerned about ranking points and grabbing the number 1 spot for themselves than saving it for Monica which would have been the correct moral thing to do.
Nothings changed on tour and I dont really blame the players for this at all, and can someone please tell me why the article only mentions Venus and Serena and none of the other top players who played in Dubai?

saving it? what is this the lunch line in grade school? :sad::rolleyes:get a clue buddy I know you're old enough to know that no matter what life throws at you the rest of the world keeps moving on. AS IT SHOULD!

drake3781
Feb 21st, 2009, 05:44 AM
On that note, why aren't ALL the players criticized for not standing up for the sisters at IW? People accusing of double standards are hypocrites themselves.


I have.

And I'll not ever pay attention again to any one who played there, who claims or attempts to get us to care about discrimination of any sort.

cehowardrx7
Feb 21st, 2009, 08:18 AM
I .

If legacy and equality are important to Venus and Serena, they will give Dubai the Indian Wells treatment. Otherwise they'll be sanctioning treatment they would never accept for themselves.

Your logic must come out of a comic book. How in anybody's thinking can Dubai compare to IW???

In IW, the fans show racism because of the WS race. In Dubai a player was not admitted because she was a citizen and a member of an Army that just killed 437 children a month ago and still practicing apartied and genocide.

Now, where does that compare to IW??

Or are you just trying to make a dumb comparison to make your point??

Would like a honest answer!!

chuvack
Feb 21st, 2009, 11:58 AM
It would have been nice if the Williams had pulled out in protest, but you cant hold it against them for not doing so. The Williams sisters have never been mavericks, intellectuals, or particularly outspoken off the court. For all their reputation the Williams are really quite shy of controversy. You can't blame them regarding Dubai any more than you can blame any other WTA player, none of whom withdrew in support of Peer.

Hagar
Feb 21st, 2009, 12:29 PM
Pfff, the sisters have made a big drama about IW where they shouldn't have made one. The crowd at IW has bood them because of their unsporty behaviour. It was obvious it was matchfixing on their part. Black people in the USA seem to have a chip on their shoulder which makes them see discrimination everywhere.
If people don't like the sisters it is because of their unclassy and divalike behaviour. They are both great athletes, terrific tennisplayers but they are not really interesting personalities. They basically only care about themselves and about the money they can earn so for me it is logical that they don't stand up for Peer. They haven't got anything to gain from it so they don't do it.
The two situations are uncomparable because in the case of Peer there is clear discrimination whereas there was none at IW.

Chriskip
Feb 21st, 2009, 01:27 PM
If people don't like the sisters it is because of their unclassy and divalike behaviour. They are both great athletes, terrific tennisplayers but they are not really interesting personalities. They basically only care about themselves and about the money they can earn so for me it is logical that they don't stand up for Peer. They haven't got anything to gain from it so they don't do it.

So by this logic what should we think of all the other hundreds of players on tour who did not show any form of support....and I say hundreds because if some had pulled out you had better believe all the other lesser ranked ones would be pushing and shoving to get in...
Nobody says anything when the favoured players on tour give the same old manufactured answers over and over again because they will never step out of the box to even risk sounding controversial. Since Venus and Serena came on the scene they have been criticized for everything in the book....they were not given a fair chance in my opinion because of preconceived ideas and because many thought the family had the gall to think they could ascend to the top of the game. Well they have proven themselves right, but are still chastised, but some low level player who makes the same bold statement with nothing to back it up ie. Kirilenko...lol, what a joke...is seen as "being ambitious and having the right mindset".
Just look at transcripts from their post match interviews. While others are repeatedly asked about the match, trivial things and congratulated even when they have just lost, Venus and Serena are constantly being baited to stir up controversy. Before they started speaking out they were seen as arrogant etc., now if they do talk they are seen as lacking respect for the establishment and other players, just because they dont give the cookie cutter answer. Venus has been outspoken on many things for a long time, but it takes a reporter asking Sharapova a direct question and then highlighting her answer so they could paint her as the patron saint of the tour, even while many of the other players say she is distant and cold.
I think they should continue to follow their hearts and comment on what they feel comfortable discussing and supporting because many of us sure as heck know that when their time comes you can be certain there will be only one other player on tour supporting whichever one is wronged...plus maybe Andy Roddick on the ATP tour...it has happened before and will surely happen again.

Volcana
Feb 21st, 2009, 02:04 PM
On this forum, people frequently complain about how topics that have little or nothing to do with the Williams sisters suddenly become issues where they are the focus.

But see? It ain't just us. To the author, what happened to Shahar Peer is secondary to Venus and Serena Williams. What the Dubai tournament did is secondary. What the tour knew, and when they knew it, is secondary. The most important thing, the topic that's always bigger than the WTA itself, is the Williams sisters. At least as far as this author's priorities are concerned. (Unless the author is one of the losers still trying to re-write the history of IW '01.)

Venus and Serena suffered a form of an attack at IW in 2001, and they have defended themselves in a way that has since kept such baseless attacks to a minimum. Become the biggest drawing cards on the tour, and refuse to play at the offending venue. They simplay don't let IW make money off them. (Yes, Serena got booed at RG a couple years late, but she initiated that with som impolitic comments referencing the French failure to support the US invasion of Iraq.) Serena went out and won IW '01. Venus sat through all the heckling. And after winning, they then said 'f*ck you'. They certainly got zero support from any other players at the time. But they didn't need it, then or now. Their mere presence accounts for a lot of money.

When your presence or absence doubles TV ratings for a televised portion of a tournament, you actually control a significant portion of the tounaments revenue stream. Especially since WTA contracts with sponsors have 'givebacks' based on TV ratings.

Shahar Peer is in a different position. Dubai would love for her to boycott the tournament, and save them all this embarassment. And TV ad revenue means nothing to them. Dubai could lose a million dollars a year on this tournament and never feel it. Peer needs both powerful advocates and a fairly unique strategy. A tour that had been supportive of, rather than antagonistic toward, the Williams sisters in a vaguely similar instance would help to, but it's a bit bit late for that.

I think Dubai need to be required to put up, as bond, enough money to pay every single player, and their coaches and trainers, roundtrip airfare, a week's hotel, plus the average purse for a player (Lump all the prize money together and divide by number of players.) AND appearance fees.

Dubai gives the WTA a check for all of that six months in advance. Then, if there's a repeat of this, the WTA walks away from the tournament en masse. If the tournament goes off without a hitch, Dubai gets the bond back. If there's no 'hitch' for ten years, stop requiring the bond.

But the idea that Venus and Serena Williams should make gestures or sacrifices in support of other players when they already know that those players wouldn't do the same for them ....

... ridiculous.

Rocketta
Feb 21st, 2009, 02:04 PM
I have.

And I'll not ever pay attention again to any one who played there, who claims or attempts to get us to care about discrimination of any sort.

so does this mean we can count on you to never ever ever discuss, or quandary about a Williams decision ever again? :woohoo:

Pfff, the sisters have made a big drama about IW where they shouldn't have made one. The crowd at IW has bood them because of their unsporty behaviour. It was obvious it was matchfixing on their part. Black people in the USA seem to have a chip on their shoulder which makes them see discrimination everywhere.
If people don't like the sisters it is because of their unclassy and divalike behaviour. They are both great athletes, terrific tennisplayers but they are not really interesting personalities. They basically only care about themselves and about the money they can earn so for me it is logical that they don't stand up for Peer. They haven't got anything to gain from it so they don't do it.
The two situations are uncomparable because in the case of Peer there is clear discrimination whereas there was none at IW.

I guess someone might could take your opinion seriously if you even knew any black people from America personally.. :haha:

Viva Les Internet!!!! :worship:

Morrissey
Feb 21st, 2009, 02:17 PM
The ONLY reason the Williams Sisters are brought into this discussion is due to racism and DOUBLE STANDARDS.
It is a complete racist double standard suddenly because INJUSTICE has taken place for a white Jew Shahar Peer the world media want them to support her. Give me a break. The world media and the WTA NEVER supported the Williams Sisters and I don't feel they should have to support Peer that's the WTA's job.

The WTA supports Peer yet not Venus and Serena. Why would Venus and Serena support the WTA when NO ONE on the WTA supports them? The Williams Sisters are black superstars which is rare in a white dominated sport. The white media "feel" Venus and Serena should speak out against discrimination as if is BLACK PEOPLE's JOB to support the CAUSES OF OTHER PEOPLE WHEN OTHER PEOPLE NEVER SUPPORTED THE WILLIAMS SISTERS AND BLACK CAUSES. Peer never spoke out against the discrimination Venus and Serena encountered in Indian Wells. Yet Venus and Serena are supposed to support this white Jew? Whatever.

spencercarlos
Feb 21st, 2009, 02:53 PM
The ONLY reason the Williams Sisters are brought into this discussion is due to racism and DOUBLE STANDARDS.
It is a complete racist double standard suddenly because INJUSTICE has taken place for a white Jew Shahar Peer the world media want them to support her. Give me a break. The world media and the WTA NEVER supported the Williams Sisters and I don't feel they should have to support Peer that's the WTA's job.

The WTA supports Peer yet not Venus and Serena. Why would Venus and Serena support the WTA when NO ONE on the WTA supports them? The Williams Sisters are black superstars which is rare in a white dominated sport. The white media "feel" Venus and Serena should speak out against discrimination as if is BLACK PEOPLE's JOB to support the CAUSES OF OTHER PEOPLE WHEN OTHER PEOPLE NEVER SUPPORTED THE WILLIAMS SISTERS AND BLACK CAUSES. Peer never spoke out against the discrimination Venus and Serena encountered in Indian Wells. Yet Venus and Serena are supposed to support this white Jew? Whatever.
Probably because there is a proof of discrimination against Peer, Visa Denied, not allowed to participate in the tournament and REALLY there are not any proofs of the supposed racial slurs that a booing crowd did to WS, just a booing crowd that supported Kim Clijsters (who i imagine had she heard any of those supossed racial slurs towards Serena that day would have said something about it). Do you really think all WTA and even Serena's oponnent for the day would have supported racial slurs to Serena or any player and not say anything if that really happened?

Was not Venus all in for the defense of Women cause at Wimbledon a couple of years ago, i wonder what she would have done if it was her sister the one who got a visa denied for any sort of discrimination. I bet then she would have withdrawn and go to hell sponsors.

Infiniti2001
Feb 21st, 2009, 02:55 PM
Probably because there is a proof of discrimination against Peer, Visa Denied, not allowed to participate in the tournament and REALLY there are not any proofs of the supposed racial slurs that a booing crowd did to WS, just a booing crowd that supported Kim Clijsters (who i imagine had she heard any of those supossed racial slurs towards Serena that day would have said something about it).

Was not Venus all in for the defense of Women cause at Wimbledon a couple of years ago, i wonder what she would have done if it was her sister the one who got a visa denied for any sort of discrimination. I bet then she would have withdrawn and go to hell sponsors.

*SMDH* some people really need to keep their fucking mouths shut sometimes :help:

volta
Feb 21st, 2009, 02:57 PM
Probably because there is a proof of discrimination against Peer, Visa Denied, not allowed to participate in the tournament and REALLY there are not any proofs of the supposed racial slurs that a booing crowd did to WS, just a booing crowd that supported Kim Clijsters (who i imagine had she heard any of those supossed racial slurs towards Serena that day would have said something about it). Do you really think all WTA and even Serena's oponnent for the day would have supported racial slurs to Serena or any player and not say anything if that really happened?

Was not Venus all in for the defense of Women cause at Wimbledon a couple of years ago, i wonder what she would have done if it was her sister the one who got a visa denied for any sort of discrimination. I bet then she would have withdrawn and go to hell sponsors.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v437/Nooj/ist2_3885016_asleep_at_work.jpg

mdterp01
Feb 21st, 2009, 02:59 PM
Probably because there is a proof of discrimination against Peer, Visa Denied, not allowed to participate in the tournament and REALLY there are not any proofs of the supposed racial slurs that a booing crowd did to WS, just a booing crowd that supported Kim Clijsters (who i imagine had she heard any of those supossed racial slurs towards Serena that day would have said something about it). Do you really think all WTA and even Serena's oponnent for the day would have supported racial slurs to Serena or any player and not say anything if that really happened?

Was not Venus all in for the defense of Women cause at Wimbledon a couple of years ago, i wonder what she would have done if it was her sister the one who got a visa denied for any sort of discrimination. I bet then she would have withdrawn and go to hell sponsors.

:yawn::zzz:

spencercarlos
Feb 21st, 2009, 03:04 PM
:yawn::zzz:
Very insightful posts delusionals, yeah the whole world against you, i bet you won't find the video, interview from another person/player not named Williams that confirms that "racial slurs" were said to Serena that day at Indian Wells...

volta
Feb 21st, 2009, 03:05 PM
Very insightful posts delusionals, yeah the whole world against you, i bet you won't find the video, interview from another person not named Williams that confirms that "racial slurs" were said to Serena that day at Indian Wells...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v437/Nooj/ist2_1014019_worship_empty_pews.jpg

mdterp01
Feb 21st, 2009, 03:13 PM
Very insightful posts delusionals, yeah the whole world against you, i bet you won't find the video, interview from another person/player not named Williams that confirms that "racial slurs" were said to Serena that day at Indian Wells...

:yawn::zzz: x's 2

cehowardrx7
Feb 21st, 2009, 03:14 PM
Pfff, the sisters have made a big drama about IW where they shouldn't have made one. The crowd at IW has bood them because of their unsporty behaviour. It was obvious it was matchfixing on their part. Black people in the USA seem to have a chip on their shoulder which makes them see discrimination everywhere.


http://www.cehoward.net/aw.jpg

According to your lopsided thinking, you would say they BOOED Jackie Robinson because his shoe laces were too long!!:lol:

cehowardrx7
Feb 21st, 2009, 03:17 PM
The ONLY reason the Williams Sisters are brought into this discussion is due to racism and DOUBLE STANDARDS.
It is a complete racist double standard suddenly because INJUSTICE has taken place for a white Jew Shahar Peer the world media want them to support her. Give me a break. The world media and the WTA NEVER supported the Williams Sisters and I don't feel they should have to support Peer that's the WTA's job.

The WTA supports Peer yet not Venus and Serena. Why would Venus and Serena support the WTA when NO ONE on the WTA supports them? The Williams Sisters are black superstars which is rare in a white dominated sport. The white media "feel" Venus and Serena should speak out against discrimination as if is BLACK PEOPLE's JOB to support the CAUSES OF OTHER PEOPLE WHEN OTHER PEOPLE NEVER SUPPORTED THE WILLIAMS SISTERS AND BLACK CAUSES. Peer never spoke out against the discrimination Venus and Serena encountered in Indian Wells. Yet Venus and Serena are supposed to support this white Jew? Whatever.


Where is the double standard?? Do the Williams Sisters belong to a Army that just killed 437 children last month.. BTW, they killed 108 women too.. What org/army/force does the Williams Sisters belong too??

I am going to set back and listen to this answer!!

mdterp01
Feb 21st, 2009, 03:18 PM
Pfff, the sisters have made a big drama about IW where they shouldn't have made one. The crowd at IW has bood them because of their unsporty behaviour. It was obvious it was matchfixing on their part. Black people in the USA seem to have a chip on their shoulder which makes them see discrimination everywhere.
If people don't like the sisters it is because of their unclassy and divalike behaviour. They are both great athletes, terrific tennisplayers but they are not really interesting personalities. They basically only care about themselves and about the money they can earn so for me it is logical that they don't stand up for Peer. They haven't got anything to gain from it so they don't do it.
The two situations are uncomparable because in the case of Peer there is clear discrimination whereas there was none at IW.


Another ignorant poster talking out of his ass knowing not of what they speak. The Williams sisters didn't make a big deal out of Indian Wells. The incident happened, they said they wouldn't play there again, and it is EVERYONE ELSE (i.e. the media and obvious OCD people on this board who can't help but to bring it up every year) who made a big deal out of it. I mean how much drama could there be in "I'M NOT GOING TO PLAY INDIAN WELLS AGAIN". Its not like every year they say "well we will see" and allow drama to build up and then say no at the last minute. If you think about it...its actually VERY DRAMA FREE!!! I'm not playing there again!! THAT SHOULD BE IT!! A DEAD ISSUE!! Just because journalists and posters and tennis people want to try and convince them to play or bring it up, how is that Venus and Serena making a big deal out of it. Sit your behind down cuz once again you have no clue what you are talking about. :wavey:

StarDuvallGrant
Feb 21st, 2009, 03:25 PM
I have.

And I'll not ever pay attention again to any one who played there, who claims or attempts to get us to care about discrimination of any sort.

You never paid attention to the IW incident before and denied anything wrong happened so this is a rather stupid and definitely false statement you're trying to make.

TennisViewer531
Feb 21st, 2009, 03:47 PM
Let's take into consideration that the visa rejection took place on a weekend and most, if not all, of the participating players are already in Dubai. The Williams sisters should not be pressured to speak up. I'm confident that they know what they're doing!

Morrissey
Feb 21st, 2009, 04:12 PM
Why don't people complain about the Russians and ask them to support Peer? The white women on the WTA NEVER supported Venus and Serena so why would anyone expect Venus and Serena to support the white women? It is not Venus and Serena's job to the United Nations of Professional Tennis. Peer is a white Jew and if she wants support the WTA can support her and they have. It is not Venus and Serena's job to support a white Jew.

Slutiana
Feb 21st, 2009, 04:17 PM
Venus just spoke up for peer in her speech....

meyerpl
Feb 21st, 2009, 04:21 PM
I think it's ridiculous to single out the Williams sisters in terms of what happened in the UAE. I personally don't agree with their boycott of IW, but it in no way obligates them to start boycotting other tournaments on behalf of other players.

meyerpl
Feb 21st, 2009, 04:23 PM
Venus just spoke up for peer in her speech....Glad to hear it. Venus has already spoken up on the subject. I have nothing but respect and admiration for Venus and this situation doesn't change that, if anything, it reinforces it.

Morrissey
Feb 21st, 2009, 04:23 PM
It is typical of whites to feel that black people are supposed to support the causes of other people. It is not Venus and Serena's job to be the UNITED NATIONS of professional tennis.

Venus didn't need to do that but credit to her that she did. I just think it's interesting that the media and tennis fans EXPECT the Wiliams Sisters to support Peer because they are black women. Yet the WTA NEVER supports the Williams Sisters nor do their fellow WTA players. The white women on the WTA have been jealous and envious of the Williams Sisters for the past fourteen years. Not one white female tennis player defended the Williams Sisters when they decided to boycott Indian Wells.

The Williams Sisters took a stand on Indian Wells because NO ONE would SUPPORT THEM not the WTA and certainly not the racist white Americans in Indian Wells. By boycotting Indian Wells Venus and Serena REDUCED the popularity and the prestige of that WTA tour event. Indian Wells for the women is a complete joke now. The WTA and the Indian Wells organizers understand Venus and Serena are the biggest stars in women's tennis and they pull in a lot of money.

Amanda
Feb 21st, 2009, 04:27 PM
LOL @ this ignorance. Venus did support Shahar Peer...as a matter of fact, they are friends. In my opiion, all the entire women's field should have boycotted this tournament. The WTA should ban this tournament.
P.S. Read or watch Venus on the Peer/Dubai incident.

TennisViewer531
Feb 21st, 2009, 04:27 PM
I guess the Williamses are always singled out because they've been active supporters of equality and all that (e.g. equal prize money) and of course they are multiple grand slam winners and can easily influence tennis fans everywhere...

:)

meyerpl
Feb 21st, 2009, 04:28 PM
It is typical of whites to feel that black people are supposed to support the causes of other people. It is not Venus and Serena's job to be the UNITED NATIONS of professional tennis.

Venus didn't need to do that but credit to her that she did. I just think it's interesting that the media and tennis fans EXPECT the Wiliams Sisters to support Peer because they are black women. Yet the WTA NEVER supports the Williams Sisters nor do their fellow WTA players. The white women on the WTA have been jealous and envious of the Williams Sisters for the past fourteen years. Not one white female tennis player defended the Williams Sisters when they decided to boycott Indian Wells.

The Williams Sisters took a stand on Indian Wells because NO ONE would SUPPORT THEM not the WTA and certainly not the racist white Americans in Indian Wells. By boycotting Indian Wells Venus and Serena REDUCED the popularity and the prestige of that WTA tour event. Indian Wells for the women is a complete joke now. The WTA and the Indian Wells organizers understand Venus and Serena are the biggest stars in women's tennis and they pull in a lot of money.Do you realize that when you begin a post with a statement like this, you forfeit your credibility?

markdelaney
Feb 21st, 2009, 04:29 PM
I only see Venus and Serena as fantastic athletes. They just happen to be black and if that can act as an inspiration to black people everywhere, especially those who have suffered and/or can remember racial segregation, then it's great for them. They shouldn't have to do anything first and foremost because of the colour of their skin.

Venus is and always has been a lady and anyone of any creed or colour can learn from her how to conduct yourself and how to achieve goals in life.

Amanda
Feb 21st, 2009, 04:30 PM
Venus...#1 on and off the court.....The haters should feel quite foolish now....as USUAL!

spencercarlos
Feb 21st, 2009, 04:31 PM
It is typical of whites to feel that black people are supposed to support the causes of other people. It is not Venus and Serena's job to be the UNITED NATIONS of professional tennis.

Venus didn't need to do that but credit to her that she did. I just think it's interesting that the media and tennis fans EXPECT the Wiliams Sisters to support Peer because they are black women. Yet the WTA NEVER supports the Williams Sisters nor do their fellow WTA players. The white women on the WTA have been jealous and envious of the Williams Sisters for the past fourteen years. Not one white female tennis player defended the Williams Sisters when they decided to boycott Indian Wells.

The Williams Sisters took a stand on Indian Wells because NO ONE would SUPPORT THEM not the WTA and certainly not the racist white Americans in Indian Wells. By boycotting Indian Wells Venus and Serena REDUCED the popularity and the prestige of that WTA tour event. Indian Wells for the women is a complete joke now. The WTA and the Indian Wells organizers understand Venus and Serena are the biggest stars in women's tennis and they pull in a lot of money.
How can you talk about racism when you are the first one to point to black and white people all the time.

Find proofs of the racial slurs of IW 2001 and then talk how racist IW people are.

spencercarlos
Feb 21st, 2009, 04:36 PM
BTW Venus in the presentation pretty much took her stand and was very supportive of Shahar, full credit for Venus, much better than worshiping the sponsors.

meyerpl
Feb 21st, 2009, 04:39 PM
BTW Venus in the presentation pretty much took her stand and was very supportive of Shahar, full credit for Venus, much better than worshiping the sponsors.That took a lot of guts, considering the time and place. Do you know what the crowd's reaction was?

V-MAC
Feb 21st, 2009, 04:40 PM
BTW Venus in the presentation pretty much took her stand and was very supportive of Shahar, full credit for Venus, much better than worshiping the sponsors.

Good to see that you can appreciate Venus too;)

spencercarlos
Feb 21st, 2009, 04:55 PM
That took a lot of guts, considering the time and place. Do you know what the crowd's reaction was?
Not really, but i hope they were supportive of Venus.

Vlover
Feb 21st, 2009, 06:42 PM
BTW Venus in the presentation pretty much took her stand and was very supportive of Shahar, full credit for Venus.
Hey spencer!:wavey: Can always depend on you to show up for The Queen.:D The WTA couldn't ask for a better representative and believe me her words does have great influence.:worship:
spencer are you going to wish her well for the season?;)

BTW Why should Venus and Serena be the only ones to sacrifice for Peer. Peer can do exactly what the Sisters did at IW and refuse to play if they don't want her there.

serenafann
Feb 21st, 2009, 08:01 PM
A bogus article,singling out Venus and Serena unfairly.

Dawn Marie
Feb 21st, 2009, 08:59 PM
this article is smut and trash. It's full of racial stereotypes.
It suggest that black women must speak up and know their place in tennis, while it's okay and normal if their white counterparts sit on their quiet asses and eat strawberries and cream during the same situation. Singling out Venus and Serena just loses all credibility. There not oncerned with Peer, but hate Vee and Rena and will use the situation to meke their racism and hate feel more credibile and logical in their souls.

ghost world
Feb 22nd, 2009, 12:16 AM
LOL

Boycotting and choosing to not play at certain tournaments are the same thing now!?!

RenaSlam.
Feb 22nd, 2009, 03:56 AM
Step to this, and shove it.

treufreund
Feb 22nd, 2009, 07:46 AM
so i guess it's okay to post all kinds of hateful posts in here about "their white asses" blah blah blah despite the fact that the writer herself is a black woman. WHY ARE YOU ANGRY PEOPLE attacking and hating on "WHITE PEOPLE"? we are not responsible for what this dumb writer wrote. (incidentally, I don't really agree with the article, but I guess I am supposed to agree with it so I can be called a white "hater" ) :rolleyes:

cehowardrx7
Feb 22nd, 2009, 10:33 AM
Venus just spoke up for peer in her speech....

I would have liked to seen somebody or even my idol Venus speak up for the 437 children that were KILLED in GAZA by Army the Peer belongs too.

Who will speak for them?? 437 children were GUNNED DOWN!!

108 womwn were gunned down!!!

Who speaks for them???

Peer was banned from playing tennis.. A NON-VIOLIENT-PROTEST. I wish the whole world would participate in non-violent protest when they have a conflict..

sammy01
Feb 22nd, 2009, 10:38 AM
no they shouldn't have taken a stand, and what venus said in the trophy ceramony was more than most players did anyway.

Ellen Dawson
Feb 22nd, 2009, 01:46 PM
Just saw this article on ESPN.....

Another example of a poorly researched, poorly thought out blog masquerading as journalism.

Thank you!!! Some people think "oh the blog has good production values so it must be legit." :rolleyes:

Le Chat
Feb 22nd, 2009, 01:52 PM
LOL

Boycotting and choosing to not play at certain tournaments are the same thing now!?!



No , but they are clearly boycotting this , if not why would they choose not to play a mandatory tourney they clearly have every chance to win every year ?

serenus_2k8
Feb 22nd, 2009, 02:02 PM
No , but they are clearly boycotting this , if not why would they choose not to play a mandatory tourney they clearly have every chance to win every year ?

Same could easily be said for Eastbourne, an event they could easily win but skip each year. Is that a boycott too?

Le Chat
Feb 22nd, 2009, 02:20 PM
Same could easily be said for Eastbourne, an event they could easily win but skip each year. Is that a boycott too?

Is Eastbourne a mandatory Tier I event ?

Larrybidd
Feb 22nd, 2009, 03:18 PM
What a lot of dime-store militants like this article author fail to note is that because the Dubai government was sneaky about its treatment of Peer, it wasn't clear they were going to screw her until all the players had already flown out to the desert - along with the travel expense of having coaches and physios, etc. flown out too. It was not a matter of players just forgoing a chance at prize money. Lots of players already had money put out just showing up. On the other hand the ATP has been forwarned and can withdraw without that headache.

bobbynorwich
Feb 22nd, 2009, 04:19 PM
That took a lot of guts, considering the time and place. Do you know what the crowd's reaction was?

Yes, many in the stands :clap2: and :clap2: and :clap2:.
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Le Chat
Feb 22nd, 2009, 05:07 PM
Yes, many in the stands :clap2: and :clap2: and :clap2:.
.



Talking about being in DENIAL .

miffedmax
Feb 22nd, 2009, 06:57 PM
Actually quite canny of Vee to wait and make her statement at the end...probably far more attention-grabbing than if she'd said something earlier.

Shawn
Feb 22nd, 2009, 07:03 PM
I think what Venus did was very smart and very brave. The sisters have been ridiculed, criticized heavily for what they do, and crticized heavily for what people want them to do. Tennis is a sport, not politics. Speaking out at the end had more of an impact because she had a much bigger audience. If they had gotten on a plane and refused to play would also be taking a stand but that's more passive than speaking up in front of everyone.

Tech1
Feb 23rd, 2009, 02:16 AM
Even on Spirited Court, True Bravery Remains Tough to Come By

http://www.blogsmithcdn.com/avatar/images/327/2483504_64.jpg (http://lisa-olson.fanhouse.com/)Posted Feb 21st 2009 11:10 PM by Lisa Olson (http://lisa-olson.fanhouse.com/)
Filed Under: Tennis (http://www.fanhouse.com/category/tennis/)
Courage is in the eye of the beholder. Rational folks will agree that Andy Roddick (http://www.fanhouse.com/tag/andyroddick) has it coursing through his veins, after he became the only player to do the right thing by refusing to play in the Barclays Dubai Tennis Championships because of the tournament's reprehensible discriminatory policy.

Venus Williams (http://www.fanhouse.com/tag/venuswilliams) took a swig from the courage chalice, too, when, upon receiving the Dubai championship trophy Saturday, she spoke about Shahar Peer (http://www.fanhouse.com/tag/ShaharPeer), the Israeli player who was refused entry by the United Arab Emirates on the eve of one of the world's most lucrative tournaments. In front of the Dubai crowd, Williams referenced Peer's plight, and later expounded on her decision to speak publicly about sport's political hot potato, when a simple curtsy and "thank you" would have made for a safer exit.

"I felt like I had to talk about her," said Williams, after earning her 40th singles title by defeating France's Virginie Razzano, 6-4, 6-2. "I thought it was brave of (Peer) to come here and try and play despite knowing that it is not going to be easy for her. My dad grew up in an area where if you spoke too much, it was your life. So I felt I had a small opportunity to say something where everyone will listen.

"I am not here to rock any boat or upset people, I am just here to do things that are right," Williams said. "And I think right things are already happening next week and right things will happen next year."

Next week is when the men arrive for their spin around the world's most lavish sporting playground. Whether the game is tennis, golf, cricket or soccer, Dubai goes to extraordinary lengths to please visiting professional athletes, as long as they do not hail from Israel. The prizes are lucrative, the amenities obscene. Even in this economy, sponsors and well-heeled fans flock to events in Dubai, an upper-class cousin of Las Vegas and ostensibly one of the Middle East's more modern locations. That Roddick chose to boycott the tournament he won last year says everything you need to know about his class, his cojones.

Clearly, the Dubai tennis officials haven't an ounce of either, choosing to announce that the 45th-ranked Peer's visa had been denied a mere 12 hours before the women's tournament began last week, after the other players had already arrived in Dubai. Peer, whose name was in the main draw, had applied for the visa two months earlier, with assurances from the Women's Tennis Association that she would be welcome in Dubai. But at the last minute, tournament organizers cited concerns for Peer's security, saying they feared anger over Israel's military offensive in the Gaza Strip would evolve into huge protests and riots throughout the Persian Gulf if she were allowed to play.
The backlash over the tournament's cowardly decision apparently trumped whatever fear officials had of an Israeli tennis player hitting backhands on their luxurious grounds, because the UAE suddenly reversed form, deciding Andy Ram, another Israeli, would be allowed to play in the men's tournament after all. The decision, said tournament officials, was "in line with the UAE's commitment to a policy of permitting any individual to take part in international sports, cultural and economic events or activities being held in the country, without any limitation being placed on participation by citizens of any member country of the United Nations."

There was no mention of Peer, no apology. A cynic might wonder why they so feared a female Israeli. By waiting until the 11th hour to deny Peer's visa, government officials and organizers knew it would be extremely difficult for sponsors to cancel or relocate the tournament. Nonetheless, the Tennis Channel refused to air coverage of the tournament and the Wall Street Journal Europe withdrew its event sponsorship. Courage beat financial commitments.

Barclays, the tournament's main sponsor, has been curiously silent about the issue, never even mentioning on its Web site Peer or her banishment, or Venus' statement to the crowd, or Roddick's personal boycott. Cowardice rules financial gain.

It would have been fantastic, if unrealistic, had Sony Ericsson, the WTA Tour's namesake, pulled up stakes and left the tournament high and dry in the desert in the hours after Peer was denied entry. But after days of immense pressure from many ports, the Sony Ericsson WTA Tour did levy an unprecedented series of fines, penalties and warnings against the event. The tour's board, in an emergency meeting, decided Peer will receive monetary compensation (some will go to her doubles partner Anna-Lena Groenefeld of Germany), and fined the tournament $300,000 for breaching tour rules. The Dubai tournament will also have to meet a number of conditions if it wants to stage the event next year, including the guarantee that Peer will earn at least a wild card in the main draw. Money muscle trumps words.

It would have been outstanding, if surreal, had any of Peer's friends and colleagues chosen to take the ultimate stand, and step away from a tournament that discriminates. The UAE government cost Peer ranking points and prize money, the two links that chain together every tennis player. Tennis by nature is a selfish sport, with everyone out for themselves; we'd be fools to think they are singing Kumbaya in the locker room.

But just as politics and sports have long been intertwined, individuals in tennis have been known to fight for the common good. In the height of apartheid in the 1970s, Arthur Ashe endeavored to have the South African tournament removed from the tour. In 1973, after the Yugoslav tennis federation suspended Niki Pilic, 81 of his fellow professionals withdrew from the Wimbledon championship in protest.

What would it take for today's players, especially those on the female side of the draw, to put down their racquets in Dubai, or any other place that placed bigotry over fairness? Jelena Jankovic, a Serbian who understands political strife, said, "[Peer] is a great player. She has the right to play in this tournament and she's an athlete. This is sport. And you shouldn't mix sport and politics." But Jankovic didn't leave the tournament until she lost in the third round.

Venus Williams was asked Saturday if she'd contemplate not returning as the defending champion, maybe follow in Roddick's footsteps.
"Obviously, Andy Ram got his visa, so I'll be happy to come and defend next year," she said. "If everyone is not given the equal opportunity to play, I'd rethink. But I love this tournament. They really care about the players."

Unless they are from Israel, she might have added. This is not to pick on Venus, who along with her sister Serena has faced an inordinate amount of discrimination. The Williams sisters correctly, bravely have held their own personal boycott of the tournament in Indian Wells, Calif., following a vow they made in 2001 to never return after the sisters and their father were cruelly heckled during a match.

Roddick seems to be standing alone, for the moment. His reason for skipping a tournament with $2 million in prize money was both simple and profound. "I really don't agree with what went on over there," he said. "I don't know if it's the best thing to mix politics and sports, and that was probably a big part of it."

Both Roger Federer (http://www.fanhouse.com/tag/RogerFederer) and Rafael Nadal (http://www.fanhouse.com/tag/RafaelNadal) have withdrawn from this week's Dubai Tennis Championships, Federer citing a recurring back injury while Nadal has a knee injury. Federer, especially, will be missed, considering his home and primary training facilities are in Dubai. He has talked often about the city's cosmopolitan flavor, its tourist-friendly hotels and restaurants and opulent sporting grounds. Would he dare speak against the UAE and its duplicitous policies? His back problems, while quite real (he has also pulled out of an upcoming Davis Cup match), are a convenient solution to an inconvenient mess.

We think we spot courage all the time on courts and fields, in stadiums and gymnasiums. In truth it's still a rare commodity, even amongst the strongest.

tennnisfannn
Feb 23rd, 2009, 08:28 AM
Why hasn't anyone demanded that Tsonga and Monfils take a stand agiainst Dubai?

Denise4925
Feb 23rd, 2009, 09:07 AM
It's very convenient to use the IW incident against the WS for not boycotting this tournament, yet no one believed or supported the sisters in their cause. Now, they are being blamed for not supporting Peer? Are they the only players on tour who played in Dubai? Why is everyone not being held to the same standard? Is this a real journalist or just a blogger?

Philbo
Feb 23rd, 2009, 09:34 AM
saving it? what is this the lunch line in grade school? :sad::rolleyes:get a clue buddy I know you're old enough to know that no matter what life throws at you the rest of the world keeps moving on. AS IT SHOULD!

Spoken like a typical Grafanatic... You can bet your bottom dollar had Steffi felt differently, all her fans would have as well!

schorsch
Feb 23rd, 2009, 10:10 AM
Why hasn't anyone demanded that Tsonga and Monfils take a stand agiainst Dubai?

neither are playing there.

Ciarán
Feb 23rd, 2009, 10:17 AM
:yawn:

tennnisfannn
Feb 23rd, 2009, 12:51 PM
neither are playing there.
They don't have to be playing, they only need to be heard:devil:

cehowardrx7
Feb 23rd, 2009, 03:51 PM
Why hasn't anyone demanded that Tsonga and Monfils take a stand agiainst Dubai?

The reason nobody has demanded that Tsonga and Monfils take a stand against Dubai, BECAUSE DUBAI HASN'T DONE ANYTHING WRONG.

Now, LET IT GO!! Talk about tennis, take that political stuff to the political area.. :rolleyes:

cehowardrx7
Feb 23rd, 2009, 03:54 PM
They don't have to be playing, they only need to be heard:devil:

Heard for what?

Will they mention the 437 children and 108 women killed last month by the Army the Peer belongs too?? Will they speak out against the killings??

cehowardrx7
Feb 23rd, 2009, 03:58 PM
We think we spot courage all the time on courts and fields, in stadiums and gymnasiums. In truth it's still a rare commodity, even amongst the strongest.

You couldn't spot courage if it walked right out to and smacked you right in the face.

It takes courage to speak up FOR THE 437 CHILDREN & 108 WOMEN that were gunned down in GAZA by high tech air/sea and land weapons. Weapons that our taxmoney has paid for. It takes courage to speak out against such action on a tennis message forum where mostly everybody overlooks the carnage, genocide and apartied the Israel is doing in GAZA.

That takes courage!!

exposbabe
Feb 23rd, 2009, 06:52 PM
The only issue I have is that Venus invokes "responsibility to fans and sponsors" when it comes to Pe'er.
But in their personal experience in Indian Wells, the sisters showed no such responsibility to those fans and sponsors who had paid their $$$ for the privilege of watching them. They were left with nothing.

That is the hypocrisy of it, not that the two incidents are similar in political ramifications.

That said, they were a lot younger then, and Venus hadn't become a leader among the players in terms of speaking out.

And because she has, the right statement to make would be to play Indian Wells this year, to show that they can rise above it, that they have grown up, and that they take that "responsibility to fans and sponsors" seriously.

That would impress the heck out of me. It would show they they are much bigger people that the alleged people who talked smack to then way back then.

Because the fact is, they don't have a choice about Indian Wells, if they really are all about the "proper procedures and protocols." They are mandated to play it, as part of their responsibility to the collective whole. It's written in ink.

DA FOREHAND
Feb 23rd, 2009, 09:01 PM
The only issue I have is that Venus invokes "responsibility to fans and sponsors" when it comes to Pe'er.
But in their personal experience in Indian Wells, the sisters showed no such responsibility to those fans and sponsors who had paid their $$$ for the privilege of watching them. They were left with nothing.

That is the hypocrisy of it, not that the two incidents are similar in political ramifications.

That said, they were a lot younger then, and Venus hadn't become a leader among the players in terms of speaking out.

And because she has, the right statement to make would be to play Indian Wells this year, to show that they can rise above it, that they have grown up, and that they take that "responsibility to fans and sponsors" seriously.

That would impress the heck out of me. It would show they they are much bigger people that the alleged people who talked smack to then way back then.

Because the fact is, they don't have a choice about Indian Wells, if they really are all about the "proper procedures and protocols." They are mandated to play it, as part of their responsibility to the collective whole. It's written in ink.

Their health trumps all else. If Venus and the tour Dr. say she is not fit to play that's all we need to know. How anyone twist that into some conspiracy about match fixing is loco. It wasn't the first time a player wasn't able to take the court for a big match. Justine quit in the middle of a grand slam final because she had a tummy ache! Justine quits tennis after a few high profile beatdowns, and weeks before her fav. slam. Venus plays Wimbledon semi and final w/abdominal tears, but she's the one acused of shadey business.

SO TYPICAL OF YOU PEOPLE

Shawn
Feb 23rd, 2009, 10:15 PM
Their health trumps all else. If Venus and the tour Dr. say she is not fit to play that's all we need to know. How anyone twist that into some conspiracy about match fixing is loco. It wasn't the first time a player wasn't able to take the court for a big match. Justine quit in the middle of a grand slam final because she had a tummy ache! Justine quits tennis after a few high profile beatdowns, and weeks before her fav. slam. Venus plays Wimbledon semi and final w/abdominal tears, but she's the one acused of shadey business.

SO TYPICAL OF YOU PEOPLE
here! here! People can be such hypocrites it's unbelievable. I can't understand why two people can be so heavily criticized. I would never go to a place where I am not appreciated and no one can make me.

tennisbum79
Feb 24th, 2009, 01:07 AM
The only issue I have is that Venus invokes "responsibility to fans and sponsors" when it comes to Pe'er.
But in their personal experience in Indian Wells, the sisters showed no such responsibility to those fans and sponsors who had paid their $$$ for the privilege of watching them. They were left with nothing.

That is the hypocrisy of it, not that the two incidents are similar in political ramifications.

That said, they were a lot younger then, and Venus hadn't become a leader among the players in terms of speaking out.

And because she has, the right statement to make would be to play Indian Wells this year, to show that they can rise above it, that they have grown up, and that they take that "responsibility to fans and sponsors" seriously.

That would impress the heck out of me. It would show they they are much bigger people that the alleged people who talked smack to then way back then.

Because the fact is, they don't have a choice about Indian Wells, if they really are all about the "proper procedures and protocols." They are mandated to play it, as part of their responsibility to the collective whole. It's written in ink.
Are you out of your mind?
Serena said it best and I paraphrase.
I do not want to play in front of people who do not want to see me play.

Plus, the father, given what he has lived through, has the responsability and the duty, to not subject his daughters to the same thing he went through.

What I do not understand is this.
The last few years, fans and posters here and elsewhere keep talking up to themselves that the WS did not create IW ( which is true) and that the tournament will survice w/o them, and it has.

Venus and Serena have moved on long ago, yet people who have been saying IW does not need the WS, cannot help themselves but bring up this topic year after year, since this incident happened.

It pained some people that Venus and Serena have not been hurt by their stance. So now, an ever increasing number detrators are switching strategies.
First, they try the the silence treatment, hoping that the WS will crawl back begging to enter IW again. When that did not work, they attack them, denying that there was ever any racial incident or slurs or booing during the match.

Finally, they when all failed, some play psychologist and decided that Venus, Serena and their fatcher Williams, have no right to feel the way they feel because it was nothing. They want to tell , (in some cases order) Venus, Serena and Richard , how they should feel about something they were part of.

Volcana
Feb 24th, 2009, 01:46 AM
The only issue I have is that Venus invokes "responsibility to fans and sponsors" when it comes to Pe'er.
But in their personal experience in Indian Wells, the sisters showed no such responsibility to those fans and sponsors who had paid their $$$ for the privilege of watching them. They were left with nothing.
Fans are NOT, in any sport, guaranteed that an individual athlete will play. When Tom Brady (NFL) went down for the season, everyone who bought season tickets to see him were 'left with nothing'. When I went to see Jethro Tull, and Ian Anderson couldn't perform, I was 'left with nothing'.That is the hypocrisy of itWhere? If you're too injured to play, you're too injured to play. Your entire argument rests on the supposition that Venus could have played, and didn't, giving Serena the win.That said, they were a lot younger then, and Venus hadn't become a leader among the players in terms of speaking out.

And because she has, the right statement to make would be to play Indian Wells this year....Say no more. V&S playing Indian Wells is a dead issue until, and unless, they decide it's not.Because the fact is, they don't have a choice about Indian Wells, if they really are all about the "proper procedures and protocols." They are mandated to play it, as part of their responsibility to the collective whole. It's written in ink.Of course they have a choice about playing Indian Wells. ALL the players have a choice. It's "written in ink."

Play ... OR ... accept the consequences.
They have, in complete and utter accordance to the rules, chose to 'accept the consequences'.

Larrybidd
Feb 24th, 2009, 05:27 AM
The only issue I have is that Venus invokes "responsibility to fans and sponsors" when it comes to Pe'er.
But in their personal experience in Indian Wells, the sisters showed no such responsibility to those fans and sponsors who had paid their $$$ for the privilege of watching them. They were left with nothing.



I've heard from others who lend credence to this match-fixing garbage that Venus' injury at IW '01 was "suspicious" because Vee played 2 weeks later at Miami and won. Well Serena withdrew from the semi in Paris, and played in Dubai the next WEEK! Does that mean she was fixing matches in favor of Dementieva? Its was silly then and its silly now. In both cases the injury was tendinitis which can clear up in a couple of days to get the inflamation down. The fact is the sisters don't play thru injuries unless its a grand slam event - a very wise strategy followed by lots of elite players. And if Richard were still in charge of their careers, they wouldn't play hurt at GS's either.

The WS were a victim of ignorant fans buying into the jealous speculations of a couple WTA players. You don't have to believe it was race motivated to know it was over the top rude, brain-less and unfair. If I'm treated poorly at some resturant, I'm never gonna patronize that place again, certainly not under the same management. IW is not the only tourney in California, let alone in the US. The fans aren't cheated out of anything by them skipping that event. And slavery ended long ago, the sisters do have a choice - just watch them.

Midnight_Robber
Feb 24th, 2009, 06:48 AM
Wow. I didn't realise that the Williams sisters were a political entity on to themselves. Realistically, the WTA is NOT in a position and has no legal authority to override the immigration and travel laws of Dubai - though they were in a prime position not to stage the damn tournament there in the first place and implicate the players in this mess...

Yet, the Williams sisters are now expected to step in where the tour has utterly failed, and furthermore fight the battles and support causes of other players, even when their fellow players don't appear to be particularly concerned with or supportive of their issues or struggles...

Le Chat
Feb 24th, 2009, 10:31 AM
The only issue I have is that Venus invokes "responsibility to fans and sponsors" when it comes to Pe'er.
But in their personal experience in Indian Wells, the sisters showed no such responsibility to those fans and sponsors who had paid their $$$ for the privilege of watching them. They were left with nothing.

That is the hypocrisy of it, not that the two incidents are similar in political ramifications.
That said, they were a lot younger then, and Venus hadn't become a leader among the players in terms of speaking out.

And because she has, the right statement to make would be to play Indian Wells this year, to show that they can rise above it, that they have grown up, and that they take that "responsibility to fans and sponsors" seriously.

That would impress the heck out of me. It would show they they are much bigger people that the alleged people who talked smack to then way back then.

Because the fact is, they don't have a choice about Indian Wells, if they really are all about the "proper procedures and protocols." They are mandated to play it, as part of their responsibility to the collective whole. It's written in ink.


The hypocrisy is that everybody expect the Williams to take a stand about a white Jew woman suffering from discrimination when nobody did take a stand when the Williams sisters suffered from racism at IW years before Peer ...this is the Hypocrisy ... !!

PizzaMan
Feb 24th, 2009, 10:42 AM
The only issue I have is that Venus invokes "responsibility to fans and sponsors" when it comes to Pe'er.
But in their personal experience in Indian Wells, the sisters showed no such responsibility to those fans and sponsors who had paid their $$$ for the privilege of watching them. They were left with nothing.

That is the hypocrisy of it, not that the two incidents are similar in political ramifications.

The sponsors and fans know up front that Vee and Ree don't play Indian Wells, so those sponsors and fans aren't being ripped off in the slightest. If sponsors still sponsor and fans still pay to attend, with the full knowledge that neither Vee nor Ree will be playing, that's their choice, but that choice is on them, not the Williams.

But if Vee and Ree decided to boycott a tournament they were already slated to play in, those sponsors and fans would be getting ripped off. Obviously, there's no guarantee that any particular player will play in a tournament because injuries can crop up, but the sponsors and fans accept the possibility of injuries when they put up their money. But a boycott out of the blue is a different situation altogether.

The two situations are entirely different because in one case the sponsors and fans know going in that the Williams won't play, but that's doesn't hold in the other case. So there is no hypocrisy.

jrollaneres25
Feb 24th, 2009, 12:34 PM
The only issue I have is that Venus invokes "responsibility to fans and sponsors" when it comes to Pe'er.
But in their personal experience in Indian Wells, the sisters showed no such responsibility to those fans and sponsors who had paid their $$$ for the privilege of watching them. They were left with nothing.

That is the hypocrisy of it, not that the two incidents are similar in political ramifications.

That said, they were a lot younger then, and Venus hadn't become a leader among the players in terms of speaking out.

And because she has, the right statement to make would be to play Indian Wells this year, to show that they can rise above it, that they have grown up, and that they take that "responsibility to fans and sponsors" seriously.

That would impress the heck out of me. It would show they they are much bigger people that the alleged people who talked smack to then way back then.

Because the fact is, they don't have a choice about Indian Wells, if they really are all about the "proper procedures and protocols." They are mandated to play it, as part of their responsibility to the collective whole. It's written in ink.

Well, until a public apology is issued to the Williamses for the way they were treated, they will continue to Boycott the tourney....BOTTOM LINE!:(

jean_genie
Feb 24th, 2009, 12:50 PM
I did not see any players take a stand and boycott Indian Wells on behalf of the Williams sisters. Besides, the situations are completely differently. I don't see how one can compare fans' treatment of players at a tournament to tournament organizers and country officials making a concerted effort (adopting a policy) to discriminate against players from a certain country.

The Williams sisters are choosing not to play the Indian Wells tournament because they did not appreciate the way the tennis fans in that city treated both of them and their family. As independent contractors, they are entitled to play in cities where THEY feel fans will appreciate them, or, at the very least, not be so blatantly vulgar, rude and offensive. If they feel they were treated so badly that they are not comfortable playing there ever again - so be it. Indian Wells' loss is another city's gain.

Well said. When I read the article, I thought it was just another journalist trying to attract readers with an outrageous statement that involves easy targets. The Williams sisters are known for ignoring the press, so who better to lob a ridiculous argument at than someone who doesn't care to argue with you?

The situations are different but this woman doesn't make note of that.

Vlover
Feb 24th, 2009, 02:08 PM
though they were in a prime position not to stage the damn tournament there in the first place and implicate the players in this mess...

Yet, the Williams sisters are now expected to step in where the tour has utterly failed, and furthermore fight the battles and support causes of other players, even when their fellow players don't appear to be particularly concerned with or supportive of their issues or struggles...
Exactly! Why should they be the ones to sacrifice while the WTA, tournament organizers and other players all profit.:rolleyes:

The Williams have had to single handedly fight all their battles on their own. They have not had the luxury of anyone else support therefore it would only be due to their good nature that they offer any.

In addition this writer should inquire of IW why Serena's championship banner is not on display like the rest? That is how accommodating IW is of the Sisters at the moment.:rolleyes:

Larrybidd
Feb 24th, 2009, 02:14 PM
You couldn't spot courage if it walked right out to and smacked you right in the face.

It takes courage to speak up FOR THE 437 CHILDREN & 108 WOMEN that were gunned down in GAZA by high tech air/sea and land weapons. Weapons that our taxmoney has paid for. It takes courage to speak out against such action on a tennis message forum where mostly everybody overlooks the carnage, genocide and apartied the Israel is doing in GAZA.

That takes courage!!

I did want to address your point that you believe the Dubai actions were a justifiable protest. First i want to agree a bit with the fact that while I think Venus' words of support for Peer were nice, I would stop short of granting her hosanna's for supporting a weighty cause. I agree that the exclusion of one player from a sporting event is kinda small compared to the lives of thousands of people. What is missed is that Venus was arguing for leaving politics "out' of sport, not trying to bring politics into it.

And thats what I would say to you: Protest is fine - as long as the target of the protest is fair. Ms. Peer does not make Israeli defense policy. The idea that because she is a member of the Israeli army she is a fair target, is nonsensical. As a citizen she HAS to be in the military service. I HAVE to pay taxes to the US government. Does that mean I'm responsible for all the policies of the US government and fair game for protest? That's moving toward the twisted logic of a terrorist. I understand that you draw the line at violence, so I'm not equating you to that, but your logic is uncomfortably similar.

Protest only works to change hearts and minds if it is well targeted to the purpetrators of injustice. If you fail to do that people don't pay attention, or worse it backfires.

DA FOREHAND
Feb 24th, 2009, 02:37 PM
Exactly! Why should they be the ones to sacrifice while the WTA, tournament organizers and other players all profit.:rolleyes:

The Williams have had to single handedly fight all their battles on their own. They have not had the luxury of anyone else support therefore it would only be due to their good nature that they offer any.

In addition this writer should inquire of IW why Serena's championship banner is not on display like the rest? That is how accommodating IW is of the Sisters at the moment.:rolleyes:

I'm thankful that Richard and Oracene prepared them for situations like i.w. Imagine if they'd taught their girls that everyone would accept and support them, and they wouldn't be treated any differently than their white counterparts.