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SV_Fan
Feb 20th, 2009, 09:44 PM
1. Serena said she is tired and hurt.
2. Serena is gonna play more than ever in her career.
3. The number of withdrawls are not declining.
4. It's sort of like the tour is already pre planning your schedule.
6. Players might not have the urge to win as much ie. Aggie.

starin
Feb 20th, 2009, 09:50 PM
Hurts: Serena, Jankovic, Radwanska and probably some other players

But i'm jsut concerned about Serena, I don't want her to overplay and injure herself.

Dodoboy.
Feb 20th, 2009, 09:52 PM
I want to hear Elena's opinions on it tbh.

frenchie
Feb 20th, 2009, 09:54 PM
Serena wasn't forced to play Paris and Sydney

It was her choice

Jem
Feb 20th, 2009, 10:00 PM
I like it. Maybe we'll have some rivalries finally. Top half of Dubai was good for women's tennis. Bottom half, too, until the semis!

LightWarrior
Feb 20th, 2009, 10:21 PM
I hate the idea of mandatory tournaments. I hate the whole revamping. Tennis is a conservative sport and should remain so. A lot of tournaments have disappeared : Antwerp, San Diego, Berlin, Hamburg, Zurich, Amelia Island etc. And that is very sad. They tell us that they have no money to make them continue, but I don't believe them. Those tournaments have been forced to shut down with the emergence of Doha/Dubai and China.

Cp6uja
Feb 20th, 2009, 11:43 PM
Point of new Roadmap is not to forced elite players to play MORE tournaments, but to play SAME tournaments!

Dubai is "Premium-5" tournament which is way less level than GS or some of 4 new mandatory - but still we see 9 of current TOP10 players this week! That's never happen before in tier-I history (except in Miami) so even with some shocking upsets we still see some really high-level match-ups like All-Williams, Venus/Elena and Serena/Ana. For example, Serena Williams OR Ana Ivanovic played at 7 of last 9 Grand Slam finals but not played any time in that period before yesterday! Major reason why Serena and Ana not face each other in whole 2007 and 2008 is because they shape and draws at slams is always in opposition last two seasons AND BECAUSE THEY SIMPLE SO RARE PLAYED AT SAME OTHER TOURNAMENT! In ATP that situation between players like Federer, Nadal, Djokovic, Murray, Roddick, Davydenko... is simple not possible because they all plays at least 13 SAME tournaments (all together)! Now we finally in WTA have something like this (New_Mandatory_x4 + Premium5_x5 is pretty similar with 9 ATP Masters mandatory events) so we will see much more often great WTA match-ups than ever before!

That's why I'm Big supporter of New Roadmap since first rumors about "big changes".

mckyle.
Feb 20th, 2009, 11:46 PM
All professional athletes are always tired and hurt. The greatest learn to recover though.

I love the fact that Serena has already played FOUR tournaments this year. That's incredible!

In The Zone
Feb 20th, 2009, 11:46 PM
Serena wasn't forced to play Paris and Sydney

It was her choice

Wrong.

Serena has to meet requirements of being a Top 10 player and those requirements include playing 2 of the "600/700K" tournaments. She already fulfilled that requirement by playing Sydney and Paris.

But! She is signed up for Stanford later in the year as well. So that's 3. So you have a point, she needed to do only two of those three.

In The Zone
Feb 20th, 2009, 11:48 PM
I think the roadmap is working -- so far.

We have seen marquee matchups and high quality ones at that! This is great for the tour. Now all we need is Sharapova back, Ivanovic with a brain, and Sveta/Jelena to screw their heads back on.

Amelie playing at a Paris Indoors level year round would be fantastic. Davenport/Capriati/Pierce returns wouldn't be bad, too.

~Cherry*Blossom~
Feb 20th, 2009, 11:53 PM
Dubai had the entire Top 10 in the field. I can't remember that happening outside of a slam in a long time!

goldenlox
Feb 20th, 2009, 11:53 PM
It's still very early. With Sharapova expected back and a possible competition for #1, it looks like the WTA could have a good run these next few months

SIN DIOS NI LEY
Feb 21st, 2009, 04:59 AM
Basically we will the same matches all the time :zzz: :yawn:

spartanfan
Feb 21st, 2009, 05:07 AM
What the road man needs is some personality. Until the ladies start trash talking each other in the media to create some controversey. It's gonna be the same ole same ole.

Bayo
Feb 21st, 2009, 05:18 AM
Dubai had the entire Top 10 in the field. I can't remember that happening outside of a slam in a long time!

Gasp! You're forgetting the fabulous No. 9! See my avatar.

By the way, I forget her name. Who is that again?

Elisse
Feb 21st, 2009, 10:40 AM
I hate the idea of mandatory tournaments. I hate the whole revamping. Tennis is a conservative sport and should remain so. A lot of tournaments have disappeared : Antwerp, San Diego, Berlin, Hamburg, Zurich, Amelia Island etc. And that is very sad. They tell us that they have no money to make them continue, but I don't believe them. Those tournaments have been forced to shut down with the emergence of Doha/Dubai and China.

Agree with you.

I hate the fact that players are being forced into tournaments that they don't want to play in. At the moment, most of them seem to be dashing from one tournament to the next without even having a chance to rest or even think. (For example.....Amelie winning in Paris on the Sunday and being scheduled to play in Dubai on the Monday...hardly any time for her to get out of the airport before she has to play :o ) You have another problem with the tournaments all starting on different days...doesn't allow the players time to get to the qualies because they are still in the previous tournement still playing a R2 match on thursday. (Dubai qualies started friday...Madrid main draw will start Saturday, so qualies there will start friday, if not possibly thursday) This gives another problem, that lower ranked players are getting into big qualies such in Dubai, rather then the players who should actually be there due to their ranking.

Another thing I have a problem with is how dear old Larry Scott thinks the 'Roadmap' is gonna make the Tour more fan friendly - WRONG! The tournaments are giving out wrong information...in Dubai I was told qualies would start on saturday...when really it started on friday. If you are going to see particular players, without proper commitment lists being avalible it makes it impossible to know if a player is actually gonna be at a tournament...very difficult if you have to book flights/hotels in advance just to get a good price. So, I definately think the 'Roadmap' is hurting it for the fans.

In general....I don't think the 'Roadmap' works at all, not for the fans and not for the players.....only thing it helps is Larry Scott and the WTA's bank accounts :help: We have already seen so many withdrawls in Dubai this week mainly due to these stupid, badly thought out rules. (Amelie...impossible for her to arrive in time, Ai....illness through not getting any time to rest, Peer.....Denial of Visa, Domi.......heat sickness, Pin...injured, Ula Radwanska...heat sickness, Tammy.....not enough time to arrive, Marion....injured) And at the moment this is only February :tape: Imagine the state the players are gonna be in by the time we get to July!!! :help:

Another crazy thing is the fines for players late withdrawls, even if they are injured. The fines that are gonna be bought in for calling the trainer during a match - very unfair to players who are really injured and not just using it for gamesmanship. I also hate the on court coaching :o

So yeah in other words...the 'Roadmap' sucks and is damaging a system that worked perfectly well already :o

Christinawww
Feb 21st, 2009, 10:56 AM
nobody forced Mauresmo to enter both Paris and Dubai. She does not have top10 status so she can choose whatever she wants to. When she signed up, she knew that Dubai would start early. Same with Tanasugarn.

volta
Feb 21st, 2009, 10:59 AM
even though i hate this mandatory tournaments thing it seems to be working, just look at the Dubai field. Even Paris had a great field
I think the roadmap is working -- so far.

We have seen marquee matchups and high quality ones at that! This is great for the tour. Now all we need is Sharapova back, Ivanovic with a brain, and Sveta/Jelena to screw their heads back on.

Amelie playing at a Paris Indoors level year round would be fantastic. Davenport/Capriati/Pierce returns wouldn't be bad, too.
agree 100%

a fully motivated Dav/Pierce/Cap playing again would be :hearts: some schooling needs to be done to this young girls :(

Cp6uja
Feb 21st, 2009, 11:58 AM
What will happen with ATP tour if elite players is not "forced" to play 13 of 18 tournaments which is count for theirs ranking? No more than 2 of current Big-4 (Nadal, Federer, Djokovic, Murray) at any event out of slams... and some top20, even top10 players will almost whole season play at theirs favorite surface (HC or Clay)...

How many h2h matches OUT OF 6 MANDATORY TOURNAMENTS (4GS+Miami+YEC) between biggest WTA stars (Henin, Sharapova, Ivanovic and Sisters) we have in 2007 and 2008??? Answer is 5... just FIVE in 2 seasons!!!
And how many h2h matches this same Big-5 played against each others at only 6 tournaments where is "FORCED" to play (all4 GS+Miami+YEC) in 2007 and 2008??? Answer is 23... compare that with just 5 from all other tournaments TOGETHER from same period. Here is for every of this star h2h facts:


Player Serena Venus Ana Maria Justine Overall
Serena 0-0 3-1 0-0 2-1 5-0 10-2
Venus 3-1 0-0 3-1 2-0 1-0 9-2
Ana 0-0 3-1 0-0 3-1 2-1 8-3
Maria 2-1 2-0 3-1 0-0 2-0 9-2
Justine 5-0 1-0 2-1 2-0 0-0 10-1

On left side is number of h2h matches from mandatory tournaments (*YEC is "mandatory" event for TOP8 players), and on right side is number of theirs h2h matches at every other tournament out of mandatory big-6. BTW overall 46-10 means actually 23-5 (because in every of this matches is involved two of this 5 WTA stars).

With new Roadmap instead 4+1+1 (6) mandatory we will have now almost same situation like in ATP tour with 13 "mandatory" events! Of course this will works...

pollison
Feb 21st, 2009, 12:59 PM
Point of new Roadmap is not to forced elite players to play MORE tournaments, but to play SAME tournaments!

Dubai is "Premium-5" tournament which is way less level than GS or some of 4 new mandatory - but still we see 9 of current TOP10 players this week! That's never happen before in tier-I history (except in Miami) so even with some shocking upsets we still see some really high-level match-ups like All-Williams, Venus/Elena and Serena/Ana. For example, Serena Williams OR Ana Ivanovic played at 7 of last 9 Grand Slam finals but not played any time in that period before yesterday! Major reason why Serena and Ana not face each other in whole 2007 and 2008 is because they shape and draws at slams is always in opposition last two seasons AND BECAUSE THEY SIMPLE SO RARE PLAYED AT SAME OTHER TOURNAMENT! In ATP that situation between players like Federer, Nadal, Djokovic, Murray, Roddick, Davydenko... is simple not possible because they all plays at least 13 SAME tournaments (all together)! Now we finally in WTA have something like this (New_Mandatory_x4 + Premium5_x5 is pretty similar with 9 ATP Masters mandatory events) so we will see much more often great WTA match-ups than ever before!

That's why I'm Big supporter of New Roadmap since first rumors about "big changes".


Good explaination

Matt01
Feb 21st, 2009, 02:42 PM
nobody forced Mauresmo to enter both Paris and Dubai. She does not have top10 status so she can choose whatever she wants to. When she signed up, she knew that Dubai would start early. Same with Tanasugarn.


I don't know what happened with Tanasugarn but you are right about Momo. I still think though, that it is a bit unfortunate to have so many tourneys at the beginiing of the year at so many diffeent places. First Australia, next week FedCup, next week Paris, next week Dubai, that's a bit crazy...there better should be a break of one week between Paris and Dubai so that the players don't have to rush from one continent to another.