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tennisbum79
Feb 19th, 2009, 11:10 PM
I did not see the Serena-Ana match, but from what I read in the result thread, I took away a few things.

First, Serena impressed everybody by her level of play today.
Second, Ana got rave review from all posters, WS fans and non-WS fans alike.

Yet, Ana lost in straight sets.

What does this mean?
To me, it means that Serena level of play is so high now, that merely standing up to her
and avoiding humiliation is not only great cause for satisfaction,
but also bestows on the opponent a sense accomplishment and optimism for the future.

Again, this is based on what I read, I did not see match.
Hence the question mark in the thread title.

Watching
Feb 19th, 2009, 11:14 PM
It was very good...if she continues like this she will but so far this form has been for a relatively short period....

tennisbum79
Feb 19th, 2009, 11:15 PM
There was also this final observation at the end of the match on TennisEarth.com Live comment section of the match.


Serena Williams reeled off 5 games in a row to set up a semifinal showdown with sister Venus at the Barclays Dubai Tennis Championships 2009.. The French Open champion played some of the best tennis of her life but was unable to get past the ten time grand slam champion , Super Serena...

Tennisstar86
Feb 19th, 2009, 11:20 PM
it says to me that Ana shockingly played good tennis considering her form lately but her tennis is nowhere near Serena/ or any of the other greats of this early century......... The thing you have to remember about Ana, is while she had a good couple years... her record against Venus/ Serena/ Henin/ Mauresmo/ Davenport was/ is still appalling.

Mauresmo = 6-2
Venus = 5-1
Davenport= 1-0
Henin = 4-0
Serena = 2-0

Shes a total 3-18 against the "champions" and ladies that made 1999-2003 the era that is was. She cant beat them, her "best" tennis just isnt good enough.

Or maybe its just a mental thing....?

Dodoboy.
Feb 19th, 2009, 11:27 PM
If she beats Vee, then we are in for it :drool:

tennisbum79
Feb 19th, 2009, 11:31 PM
If she beats Vee, then we are in for it :drool:
Yeah!
I hate when they meet before the final. However, I do not usually measure Serena level of play by how she does against Venus.

Although I usually favor Venus in their H2H, this is one time I will stay neutral.
Either way, I will be fine.

Tennisstar86
Feb 19th, 2009, 11:34 PM
Yeah!
I hate when they meet before the final. However, I do not usually measure Serena level of play by how she does against Venus.

Although I usually favor Venus in their H2H, this is one time I will stay neutral.
Either way, I will be fine.

why? they've only been playing good tennis against each other consistantly in the past year..... and its been pretty even... I would never use how Venus plays against Serena or how Serena plays against Venus as a measure of their level

gaviotabr
Feb 19th, 2009, 11:34 PM
I think it was a very good match, really entertaining.. what impressed me most about Serena was her amazing return of serve. There has been some time that I had no seen her hitting so many return winners out of good serves. She was hitting them over 150 km/h. It was just scary. Serena played really well, she had tons of winners and very few UEs.

Ana played the best match she has played this year, going toe to toe with Serena for most of the match, including some return winners of her own. She used her net play wisely and had some vintage forehand winners. But she still has some way to go to be back to her FO 2008 form. There were still ugly UEs and double faults in a row to lose service games. She can and hopefully will improve.

Serena is definitely the best player around right now and I really hope she can keep and give more credibility to the number 1 ranking.

tennisbum79
Feb 19th, 2009, 11:38 PM
I think it was a very good match, really entertaining.. what impressed me most about Serena was her amazing return of serve. There has been some time that I had no seen her hitting so many return winners out of good serves. She was hitting them over 150 km/h. It was just scary. Serena played really well, she had tons of winners and very few UEs.

Ana played the best match she has played this year, going toe to toe with Serena for most of the match, including some return winners of her own. She used her net play wisely and had some vintage forehand winners. But she still has some way to go to be back to her FO 2008 form. There were still ugly UEs and double faults in a row to lose service games. She can and hopefully will improve.

Serena is definitely the best player around right now and I really hope she can keep and give more credibility to the number 1 ranking.
I really appreciate your comments.

Hope Ana can build on this and be competitve before RG, a tournament that holds great menories for her.

Dawson.
Feb 19th, 2009, 11:43 PM
I think people were giving Ana 'rave reviews' because she hasn't played at this level for so long. If this match happened 1 year ago and it ended in the same result, people would be saying that Ana didn't play that well. I'm just happy that Serena is playing like a number 1 player and that Ana seems to be back to some kind of form. If today was Ivanovic low in confidence, think how good she can be when high on confidence

Dodoboy.
Feb 19th, 2009, 11:49 PM
What match did you watch?

after holding at 0-2 0-30 down! Ana was oozing with confidence!

Dawson.
Feb 19th, 2009, 11:55 PM
I mean low in confidence in terms of match wins. but come to think of it, she must have been high in confidence after the French Open and looked what happened after that.... :o

VenusSerenaBlvd.
Feb 20th, 2009, 01:11 AM
Ana plays better when there's no pressure on her. But Ana did play well during all the break points on her own serve. Her forehand was still shaky, but it was improved since AO. Also her yippy serve has improved. I have to see how Ana will handle the pressure when the FO comes around. It will totally test her. If Ana does really well, then she has really improved. Time will tell.

As for Serena, her game right now is similar to early season of 2003. She was playing some of her best tennis around that time. Serena's returns were devastating! I mean, seriously who else can hit returns like that vs. a pretty good server in Ivanovic. Serena was really aggressive with her returns. Overall, this match was great!

nelsondan
Feb 20th, 2009, 01:45 AM
lurking...far...far...away.....for now.

http://www.tennisforum.com/showpost.php?p=15040515&postcount=208

Lucas_Arg
Feb 20th, 2009, 02:32 AM
No.

friendsita
Feb 20th, 2009, 03:03 AM
go ree!!

Ackms421
Feb 20th, 2009, 03:09 AM
Does anyone know the scenario(s) where Serena remains number 1?

Dawn Marie
Feb 20th, 2009, 03:41 AM
Serena's game is evolving. She plays a lot like a powerful Hingis with the #1 serve on tour.

50Sense
Feb 20th, 2009, 03:52 AM
It's rare to see Serena play this consistently this early in the year; it's impressive. Distancing herself from the pack? Remains to be seen.

mboyle
Feb 20th, 2009, 03:56 AM
Yeah!
I hate when they meet before the final. However, I do not usually measure Serena level of play by how she does against Venus.

Although I usually favor Venus in their H2H, this is one time I will stay neutral.
Either way, I will be fine.

I normally try to stay neutral myself, but I HAVE to pull for Serena. If she doesn't go undefeated before clay, Safina=no. 1, and WTA=complete and utter joke all over again.

mboyle
Feb 20th, 2009, 03:58 AM
Serena's game is evolving. She plays a lot like a powerful Hingis with the #1 serve on tour.

Uh...I think everyone tries to say that so and so plays like hingis with power, but Serena is a new stretch ahha. I'll give you a chance to explain yourself...but I definitely don't see it. Sure Serena has been more consistent lately, but Hingis' strength wasn't really her consistency. It was her craft and chess-like set up.

SAEKeithSerena
Feb 20th, 2009, 04:16 AM
please win vs. venus serena!

spartanfan
Feb 20th, 2009, 04:29 AM
I think it was a very good match, really entertaining.. what impressed me most about Serena was her amazing return of serve. There has been some time that I had no seen her hitting so many return winners out of good serves. She was hitting them over 150 km/h. It was just scary. Serena played really well, she had tons of winners and very few UEs.

Ana played the best match she has played this year, going toe to toe with Serena for most of the match, including some return winners of her own. She used her net play wisely and had some vintage forehand winners. But she still has some way to go to be back to her FO 2008 form. There were still ugly UEs and double faults in a row to lose service games. She can and hopefully will improve.

Serena is definitely the best player around right now and I really hope she can keep and give more credibility to the number 1 ranking.
What solid props to Serena from a Ivanovic fan. Nicely written

TennisViewer531
Feb 20th, 2009, 04:41 AM
I'm rooting for Venus to win so that her ranking will increase and we'll see a Williams-Williams domination in the World number one-two ranking.

The Russian tennis players are definitely a major threat considering that there are five of them in the top 10.

rjd1111
Feb 20th, 2009, 05:27 AM
Yeah!
I hate when they meet before the final. However, I do not usually measure Serena level of play by how she does against Venus.

Although I usually favor Venus in their H2H, this is one time I will stay neutral.
Either way, I will be fine.

Right. If Vee wins it in no way diminishes Serena.

They are like 2 sides of the same coin.

They are Sisters.

And the same if Ree wins.

rjd1111
Feb 20th, 2009, 05:41 AM
Uh...I think everyone tries to say that so and so plays like hingis with power, but Serena is a new stretch ahha. I'll give you a chance to explain yourself...but I definitely don't see it. Sure Serena has been more consistent lately, but Hingis' strength wasn't really her consistency. It was her craft and chess-like set up.

AP Sports Writer
March 28, 2002
KEY BISCAYNE, Fla. (AP) -- The Williams sisters have done what once seemed impossible: They've transformed Martina Hingis into a sympathetic figure.
Once a brash teen tennis queen, Hingis can no longer stay in a rally with the game's most powerful players. Serena Williams provided the latest evidence Wednesday, drubbing Hingis 6-4, 6-0 in the quarterfinals of the Nasdaq-100 Open.

Their once-fierce rivalry has become so lopsided that when they met at the net afterward, Williams offered Hingis a consoling pat on the back.
Serena has beaten Hingis three straight times and seven consecutive times on U.S. hardcourts. Venus Williams has won five of her past seven matches against Hingis, including their most recent meeting at Key Biscayne last year.

It's been more than three years since Hingis won the most recent of her five Grand Slam titles at the Australian Open.
But she bristled at the suggestion she might not win another major title.
``How can you say that?'' she said. ``Come on. It's not that I played that bad.''
Actually, she did. Hingis hit just four winners to 34 for Williams, who won the last seven games. Shots whizzed past as Hingis stood helpless and motionless with no time to react. In the final set, she won six points.
Hingis grudgingly admitted she was outclassed by Williams.
``I just didn't stay with her,'' she said. ``It was difficult for me to do anything. She was hitting winners from all over the court.''

Hingis' superior anticipation and steady shotmaking are still sufficient to beat most players. She has reached the final in four of six tournaments this year, winning titles at Sydney and Tokyo. She made the Australian Open final for the sixth consecutive year and had four match points before Capriati beat Hingis for the championship.
And in Hingis' first four matches at Key Biscayne, she lost a total of four games. But she has no weapons with which to do damage against the Williamses, who thrive on her softball shots.

There was a time when Serena and Martina traded barbs after their matches, but those days are over. Now that Williams dominates, she has only nice things to say about the former No. 1.
``Until I was shaking her hand, that's when I knew the match was over,'' Serena said. ``I never think the match is over until it's done, because Martina is always good at making comebacks.''
She needs one now.

Daniel K
Feb 20th, 2009, 05:49 AM
^What's that got to do with Serena playing like Martina...?

Tennisstar86
Feb 20th, 2009, 06:31 AM
I normally try to stay neutral myself, but I HAVE to pull for Serena. If she doesn't go undefeated before clay, Safina=no. 1, and WTA=complete and utter joke all over again.

safina is all over the place these days again though... she tanked the tour championships/ did well at AO, tanked again.... I thought there was noway Safina wouldnt be #1 one , but Thanks to horrible play Serena is distancing herself from both Safina and Jankovic. If they keep this up Serena wont need to go undefeated before the clay season.

Karsten Braasch
Feb 20th, 2009, 06:32 AM
Serena Distancing Herself From The Pack?

:haha:

nelsondan
Feb 20th, 2009, 07:49 AM
How does Serena's January and February of 2009 compare to Maria Sharapova's January and February of 2008?

Maria lost to serena in April at the family circle cup---wonder if Maria will be strong enough by April to return the favor.

wikipoedia--

Sharapova completed an abbreviated 2008 season winning three titles, maintaining an undefeated record in tournament finals and a win-loss record of 32–4.

Sharapova was the fifth-seeded player at the Australian Open.[40] She defeated former World No. 1 Lindsay Davenport in the second round[41] and World No. 1 Justine Henin in the quarterfinals 6–4, 6–0,[42] ending the latter's 32-match winning streak.[43] Sharapova then reached her second consecutive Australian Open final when she defeated an injured[44] Jelena Janković in the semifinals.[41] Dropping only 10 service points during the final,[45] Sharapova defeated Ana Ivanović and won this tournament without losing a set.[41]

After the Australian Open, Sharapova extended her winning streak to 18 matches before finally losing.[41] She participated for the first time[46] in Fed Cup against Israel[41] and won the Tier I Qatar Total Open in Doha.[41] In the semifinals of the Tier I Pacific Life Open in Indian Wells, California, Sharapova lost to Svetlana Kuznetsova, which was her first loss of the year.[41] Sharapova then withdrew from the Tier I Sony Ericsson Open in Key Biscayne, Florida, citing a shoulder injury.[47]

She was the top-seeded player at the Tier II clay court tournament in Amelia Island, Florida.[41] Her 3 hour, 26 minute[48] third round victory was her longest ever match.[49] The next day,[50] she needed an additional 2 hours, 36 minutes to win her quarterfinal match.[51] Sharapova then received a walkover to the final after Davenport withdrew from the tournament.[52] In her first career clay court final,[53] Sharapova defeated Dominika Cibulková.[41]

homogenius
Feb 20th, 2009, 07:57 AM
Not really.Everyone was pleased to see Ana playing like that after months of ridiculous perfs but there are still a lot of flaws in her game and she's a good match-up for Serena.Serena is playing well but not THAT well.I mean, she just lost a set to Errani this week.
I like the fact that she's trying to keep her n°1 rank and plays a decent schedule and she's playing much better than in her first macthes this year so we'll see if she can keep this level for a whole year.

Direwolf
Feb 20th, 2009, 08:24 AM
well..!!!

other than that
AO..
Venus would have joined her by now...

well...
that AO semis
she still remembers
what Oracene said to her...

hopefully... they play their epic match
again later on

bandabou
Feb 20th, 2009, 11:08 AM
Hmm...looking good, but Vee is the test now. Last match she got spanked, sooo..

new-york
Feb 20th, 2009, 11:09 AM
she really should.

BuTtErFrEnA
Feb 20th, 2009, 01:41 PM
Not really.Everyone was pleased to see Ana playing like that after months of ridiculous perfs but there are still a lot of flaws in her game and she's a good match-up for Serena.Serena is playing well but not THAT well.I mean, she just lost a set to Errani this week.
I like the fact that she's trying to keep her n1 rank and plays a decent schedule and she's playing much better than in her first macthes this year so we'll see if she can keep this level for a whole year.

:weirdo: if we went with the fact that serena lost a set in her first match anywhere you'd be led to believe she would hardly win anywhere...serena played okish tennis throughout the AO and you didn't think she would win there....and all she loss was a set...1 set.....uno...1, ONE, UNO...

but then you people will always be quick to point out that serena is not playing "that" well cause it always leaves a door open somewhere in your minds eh...

homogenius
Feb 20th, 2009, 07:04 PM
:weirdo: if we went with the fact that serena lost a set in her first match anywhere you'd be led to believe she would hardly win anywhere...serena played okish tennis throughout the AO and you didn't think she would win there....and all she loss was a set...1 set.....uno...1, ONE, UNO...

but then you people will always be quick to point out that serena is not playing "that" well cause it always leaves a door open somewhere in your minds eh...

:wavey:

Dodoboy.
Feb 20th, 2009, 07:07 PM
Well in Slams the distance is HUGE!

Lulu.
Feb 20th, 2009, 07:08 PM
Well in Slams the distance is HUGE!

And at the end of the day that's all that matters. :)

Callum
Feb 20th, 2009, 07:10 PM
She's still ahead of everyone else by a distance in terms of overall career.

At the moment, it seems only Venus (and Elena outside of slams) can consistently challenge her.

nelsondan
Feb 20th, 2009, 07:26 PM
Thanks for the responses to my question asking for a comparison of January and February for Maria and Serena in 08-09.

No response is a response.

DA FOREHAND
Feb 20th, 2009, 07:38 PM
She could, but hasn't. She needs to take care with that knee. She's still clearly the best player of this generation.

The Witch-king
Feb 21st, 2009, 02:33 PM
Thanks for the responses to my question asking for a comparison of January and February for Maria and Serena in 08-09.

No response is a response.

But what's the point in comparing Maria and Serena's Jan/Feb? They are different people.
I mean, were you saying that Serena's year is going to follow the exact pattern of Maria's year? Sounds pretty improbable, unless you believe in reading cards and all that stuff.

nelsondan
Feb 21st, 2009, 07:06 PM
But what's the point in comparing Maria and Serena's Jan/Feb? They are different people.
I mean, were you saying that Serena's year is going to follow the exact pattern of Maria's year? Sounds pretty improbable, unless you believe in reading cards and all that stuff.

No, not at all. You can read it like this, if you like---Maria was injured, coming within a point of advancing in the French Open before losing, as things were deteriorating. We do not know how far she would have gone, if healthy enough to dominate as she did earlier. So maybe Serena will avoid that sort of thing and dominate, by winning some more majors.

What I was saying, is that what happened to Maria last year, tells you that it is a little too early to be projecting Serena distancing herself from the pack. Too much is unknown.