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Mashafaaaaan
Feb 19th, 2009, 12:32 PM
Serena, Henin, Sharapova, and Venus.
I mean, even if Serena leads 5/2 against Sharapova, can someone here tell me who is gooing to win if they meet in a GS final? Don't think so.
Same thing for Henin vs Venus, Venus lead 7/2, but there is absolutely no guarantee Venus will win if they face each other in a GS final.
Between all 4 it's always the one who is more focus mentally who will win.
So I don't think anyone here can predict a win before they face each other. What about you?

Lucemferre
Feb 19th, 2009, 12:35 PM
Why is Henin still mentioned as if she is active? :o

This is a stupid thread anyway. Anything can happen in a major final.

Uranium
Feb 19th, 2009, 12:36 PM
Serena, Henin, Sharapova, and Venus.
I mean, even if Serena leads 5/2 against Sharapova, can someone here tell me who is gooing to win if they meet in a GS final? Don't think so.
Same thing for Henin vs Venus, Venus lead 7/2, but there is absolutely no guarantee Venus will win if they face each other in a GS final.
Between all 4 it's always the one who is more focus mentally who will win.
So I don't think anyone here can predict a win before they face each other. What about you?

Depends on surfaces, Venus-Sharapova on grass, I will predict Venus.
Henin- all 3 on clay, Henin will win.

frenchie
Feb 19th, 2009, 12:39 PM
Serena, Henin, Sharapova, and Venus.
I mean, even if Serena leads 5/2 against Sharapova, can someone here tell me who is gooing to win if they meet in a GS final? Don't think so.
Same thing for Henin vs Venus, Venus lead 7/2, but there is absolutely no guarantee Venus will win if they face each other in a GS final.
Between all 4 it's always the one who is more focus mentally who will win.
So I don't think anyone here can predict a win before they face each other. What about you?

Great thread:rolleyes:
Why can't you accept the fact that Serena is 10 times a better player than Maria:help:
Serena always beat Sharapova easily

Mashafaaaaan
Feb 19th, 2009, 12:43 PM
Great thread:rolleyes:
Why can't you accept the fact that Serena is 10 times a better player than Maria:help:
Serena always beat Sharapova easily

Why just don't you go away, like I said, you can say everything you want, but Sharapova beat Serena, and Serena was still 100000000 a better player than her in Wimbledon final, so what I'm saying is true, what you're saying:help:

Mashafaaaaan
Feb 19th, 2009, 12:46 PM
Depends on surfaces, Venus-Sharapova on grass, I will predict Venus.
Henin- all 3 on clay, Henin will win.

Yeah me too, I'll give edge to Henin on clay.

bandabou
Feb 19th, 2009, 12:46 PM
Of coursee...but it tells us something about the odds. Maria probably has a better shot against Serena on grass than on hardcourts, better shot against Venus and Justine on hardcourts..

Nobody says it's gonna be a double-bagel, but Maria certainly is at a disadvantage.

frenchie
Feb 19th, 2009, 12:49 PM
OK let's analyse Maria's wins over Serena

Wimbledon final 2004
Wimbledon was Serena's 5th tournament since her comeback
Still I'm giving you this one! Maria played some good tennis there

About Maria's other win over Serena (YEC 2004)
Serena couldn't serve and play correctly because she had an abdominal injury. She still led 40 in the third:help:
You can count it as a win if you want but Serena would have won comfortably is she hasn't been severely injured

Since Serena has won 4 times in a row against Maria including several 61 and 62 demolitions:drool:

Dave.
Feb 19th, 2009, 12:51 PM
Does this thread have a point or do you just wanna talk about Maria with the big girls?

Firstly, Henin is retired so no need to bring her into it.

Secondly, of course there is no way to tell who will definetely win a match, but the H2H indicates Serena is a STRONG favourite against Sharapova anytime they play on any surface, any round. Even more so than she would be against other top players. She just has a mental edge over Maria and I'm not sure Maria can handle that. So yes, the H2H does matter, Serena is in Maria's head.

tennnisfannn
Feb 19th, 2009, 12:52 PM
h2h will show potential for winner, Venus is more likely to lose to Penneta than she is to lose to ElenaD even if Elena is heaps better than penneta.

Mashafaaaaan
Feb 19th, 2009, 12:55 PM
OK let's analyse Maria's wins over Serena

Wimbledon final 2004
Wimbledon was Serena's 5th tournament since her comeback
Still I'm giving you this one! Maria played some good tennis there

About Maria's other win over Serena (YEC 2004)
Serena couldn't serve and play correctly because she had an abdominal injury. She still led 40 in the third:help:
You can count it as a win if you want but Serena would have won comfortably is she hasn't been severely injured

Since Serena has won 4 times in a row against Maria including several 61 and 62 demolitions:drool:

Don't get even start with injuries, during Wimbledon it was Serena's 5th tournament, but she was in final, she beat Mauresmo and slapped Capriati on her way, stop with all your excuses :rolleyes:
And I don't care Serena beat Maria 4 times in a row, Henin slapped Serena 3 times in a row, then Serena murdered her, it's all about confidence between them, if you don't get it, I can't do anything for u.
And, I remember Henin beat Sharapova 4 times in a row before Maria beats her in straights during US Open final, it's all about confidence like I said.:shrug:

Miss Amor
Feb 19th, 2009, 12:55 PM
If Maria was leading the H2H against Serena 5-2 , you would be singing a different tune.

Just like you were when you said in some other thread how Maria lead H2H against Venus and therefore was a better hardcourt player than Venus.

Mashafaaaaan
Feb 19th, 2009, 12:57 PM
Does this thread have a point or do you just wanna talk about Maria with the big girls?

:rolleyes:

volta
Feb 19th, 2009, 12:58 PM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v437/Nooj/giant_rolleyes.gif

^ it's not even rolling hard enough

Mashafaaaaan
Feb 19th, 2009, 01:00 PM
If Maria was leading the H2H against Serena 5-2 , you would be singing a different tune.

Just like you were when you said in some other thread how Maria lead H2H against Venus and therefore was a better hardcourt player than Venus.

Wrong, cause I know even if Serena leads 5/2, to a point near, Serena only lead 4/3. A lot of matches where in Maria's hands. And I'm not talking about Maria, about Henin too, to a point near, Henin is the one who lead 7/6 in H2H.

volta
Feb 19th, 2009, 01:01 PM
If Maria was leading the H2H against Serena 5-2 , you would be singing a different tune.

Just like you were when you said in some other thread how Maria lead H2H against Venus and therefore was a better hardcourt player than Venus.

exactly.

the importance of h2h changes depending on ur fav player h2h and when u want to get into an argument i guess :rolleyes:

The Dawntreader
Feb 19th, 2009, 01:14 PM
It's not a question of Maria being confident against Serena. If Serena plays to her ability in a Slam especially, it doesnt matter if Maria is feeling confident or not. She'll just get blown away.

There is nothing in Maria's game that can better Serena's game.

Miss Amor
Feb 19th, 2009, 01:15 PM
So now you dont give importance to H2H as Maria has losing H2H against Serena?

Then what happened when you were posting posts like these -

Why are you rolling Maria, she is the only one(except Venus) who beat Serena in GS final:worship:
About Venus H2H against Maria, you can cry because Venus has no chances ot beat Maria on hardcourts.:

Venus is actually 2-2 against Serena on hard since after 2003. While she is 0-3 against Pova on hard.
My point exactly.

:lol::lol:
Mine Sharapova vs Venus 3/2
Sharapova vs Jankovic 4/1

Change your mind, did ya? :haha: :rolls:

new-york
Feb 19th, 2009, 01:19 PM
If Maria was leading the H2H against Serena 5-2 , you would be singing a different tune.

Just like you were when you said in some other thread how Maria lead H2H against Venus and therefore was a better hardcourt player than Venus.

:worship:.

play your game or don't, but you can't have it both ways.

***

Venus needs to play a VERY solid match to beat Maria on hard because Maria is very consistent off the ground and won't let herself go down with the opponent. Well not that down.

i hate to use injuries but when your opponent play the same level throughout the match, you can't bring it, i mean, if she wasn't really she shouldn't have played.

Now when Serena has obviously a hard time keeping it up and serving, it's a bit different.

That said Maria won fair and square.
She did very well at W in 2004, very nice breakthrough. :worship:

serenus_2k8
Feb 19th, 2009, 01:20 PM
What a moron Mashafan is - so tactless and brainless that I feel too sympathetic to be cruel...

Matt01
Feb 19th, 2009, 01:34 PM
OK let's analyse Maria's wins over Serena

Wimbledon final 2004
Wimbledon was Serena's 5th tournament since her comeback
Still I'm giving you this one! Maria played some good tennis there

About Maria's other win over Serena (YEC 2004)
Serena couldn't serve and play correctly because she had an abdominal injury. She still led 40 in the third:help:
You can count it as a win if you want but Serena would have won comfortably is she hasn't been severely injured

Since Serena has won 4 times in a row against Maria including several 61 and 62 demolitions:drool:


You're almost as bad as MashafAAAAn with your excuses. Serena stepped on the court several times against Maria and several times Serena lost fair and square. Yes, peak Serena beats peak Maria, yes Serena currently has the mental edge over Maria but generally Maria is more consistant so no, Serena is not 10 times the better player than Maria :wavey:

bandabou
Feb 19th, 2009, 01:36 PM
The thing is..you say if Maria is confident this, confident that...but when Serena is confident, it DOESN'T matter if Maria is confident or not.'cause she just is a better player than Maria. Maria's game is molded after Davenport's..and although Maria is a tad better in movement and mental department..Serena still is a bad match-up for her, just like she was for Lindsay..

Vice versa goes for Venus..because Lindsay was always a tough one for Venus, Maria obviously troubles Venus on hardcourts..but can't beat Venus on grass..just like with Lindsay.

VishaalMaria
Feb 19th, 2009, 01:39 PM
OP: You're obviously trying to get some re-assurance from other people that Serena's head to head against Maria isn't that bad! You've probably had so many sleepless nights over it! Get over it.

Mashafaaaaan
Feb 19th, 2009, 02:01 PM
It's not a question of Maria being confident against Serena. If Serena plays to her ability in a Slam especially, it doesnt matter if Maria is feeling confident or not. She'll just get blown away.

There is nothing in Maria's game that can better Serena's game.

So now you dont give importance to H2H as Maria has losing H2H against Serena?

Then what happened when you were posting posts like these -







Change your mind, did ya? :haha: :rolls:

I'm in your radar, I get it:lol::lol::lol:

The Dawntreader
Feb 19th, 2009, 02:02 PM
I'm in your radar, I get it:lol::lol::lol:

Pardon? Explain?:lol:

miffedmax
Feb 19th, 2009, 02:03 PM
H2H is a pretty good indicator of who should be favored in a given matchup, but you do have to factor in things like surface and recent matchups--for example a player at her peak may beat up on an up-and-comer, but later the younger player may exact some revenge as the older player goes into decline.

The retired Henin clay factor would throw those H2Hs out of whack, but overall I'd say they'd be a reliable indicator of the MOST likely outcome.

Obviously, based on H2H, TOB will win some, but Vee and Ree will win more, all things (injuries, etc.) being equal.

The Dawntreader
Feb 19th, 2009, 02:04 PM
H2H is a pretty good indicator of who should be favored in a given matchup, but you do have to factor in things like surface and recent matchups--for example a player at her peak may beat up on an up-and-comer, but later the younger player may exact some revenge as the older player goes into decline.

The retired Henin clay factor would throw those H2Hs out of whack, but overall I'd say they'd be a reliable indicator of the MOST likely outcome.

Obviously, based on H2H, TOB will win some, but Vee and Ree will win more, all things (injuries, etc.) being equal.

Can you tell me what you mean by TOB? I've always wondered :lol:

Mashafaaaaan
Feb 19th, 2009, 02:06 PM
Pardon? Explain?:lol:

Didn't want to quote you but reetard. I think he knows what I mean.

DA FOREHAND
Feb 19th, 2009, 02:14 PM
Let's just hope Maria comes back to the tour, and is able to get back to her formal level.

h2h are pretty good indicators of how two players games stack up against ea. other.

2-5 is not that bad, until you factor in Pova hasn't beaten Serena in 4+ years, and has been thrashed several times.

Mashafaaaaan
Feb 19th, 2009, 02:23 PM
So now you dont give importance to H2H as Maria has losing H2H against Serena?

It's not that, it's just, I don't give too much importance.;)

XaDavK_Kapri
Feb 19th, 2009, 02:32 PM
Can you tell me what you mean by TOB? I've always wondered :lol:
"Tower of boobs", isn't it ? :lol: Something like that :p

The Dawntreader
Feb 19th, 2009, 02:33 PM
"Tower of boobs", isn't it ? :lol: Something like that :P

:lol:

I'm not entirely sure that's apt for Maria:tape::lol:

VishaalMaria
Feb 19th, 2009, 02:34 PM
I think TOB means "The other blonde"

The Dawntreader
Feb 19th, 2009, 02:35 PM
I think TOB means "The other blonde"

Well that probably works better than the Boob analogy:lol:

XaDavK_Kapri
Feb 19th, 2009, 02:40 PM
Well that probably works better than the Boob analogy:lol:
I know it sounds weird but I swear I've seen it somewhere before. :lol: then when I search the boards, it only gives me this thread :haha: I never thought she had that much cleavage but I thought the term was sarcastic... ugh, I'll just stop talking here ;) I would've came up with that myself ?? damn

The Dawntreader
Feb 19th, 2009, 02:42 PM
I know it sounds weird but I swear I've seen it somewhere before. :lol: then when I search the boards, it only gives me this thread :haha: I never thought she had that much cleavage but I thought the term was sarcastic... ugh, I'll just stop talking here ;) I would've came up with that myself ?? damn

Yeah, i get the irony with it:lol:

It'd be like someone calling Justine 'Big Momma' :haha:

debby
Feb 19th, 2009, 02:50 PM
Venus was on seven matchs won in a row against Justine and then, Justine beat a great Venus in a semifinal of a Slam, at home (in the States) in two.

Justine had Serena's number in quarters, Serena crushed her, losing only two games then.

Sharapova crushed Serena at her favourite tournament, in a final, but the reverse happened : in Aussie Open two years ago.

Lindsay destroyed Sharapova without losing a game but she still lost all the others matchs.
Sugiyama was Bartoli's nemesis, and she is hers now, just like Lindsay with Justine.

I also forget Capriati-Serena .... So what, head-to-head means absoluty NOTHING : Venus will beat surely Sharapova on hardcourts, Serena will maybe win to Sharapova in Wimbledon final THIS TIME ...

fufuqifuqishahah
Feb 19th, 2009, 03:55 PM
This is a stupid thread anyway. Anything can happen in a major final.


Which is the point of the thread? :p :smash:

BuTtErFrEnA
Feb 19th, 2009, 04:05 PM
for you, you disregard it once it's not in favour of maria....if it is, it does matter, like how you always bring up 3-2 maria over venus....

2Black
Feb 19th, 2009, 05:20 PM
:lol: This thread def makes me laugh out loud...

People are so disappointed their player is on the losing side of H2H that they keep trying to find a way to spin it.

H2H means H2H - yep, my girl Venus has a losing record to Hingis which I hate but Venus lost to her plain & simple. No excuses about Venus started to beat her later on in the career ... blah blah blah. Venus was good in '97 by evidence of her getting to the US Open Final. But she lost to Hingis fair & fair.

I wish people on this board would man up & just admit their faves didn't get the job done enough when they faced certain players.