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Edinboro
Feb 18th, 2009, 08:14 PM
I rarely ever start threads, but im just kinda curious to hear some of your opinions on this.

Ive been an avid tennis fan back since 2001, but started watching all the time since 2004. Whats been interesting for me to see is that its been mainly the same playing field, the same top players, the same grandlam favorites, the same everything. But its 5 years later, and this older eneration is getting older obviously. lol. Looking at the current ranks many up and coming players are making their debut as the new generation of players. Its probably only a matter of perhaps two years until the current top ranked are wiped out. I dunno how I feel about this. Ive been watching the same players play year in and year out. With only a few added new additions a year. Its odd to me. Im not really passionate about any of the new young stars. I fear once they come into dominance then ill stop caring about tennis. Im trying to have faith that I can like some of these new stars but im just not sure I can. I guess what im trying to ask is how do all of you feel about new favorites ccoming up and will you be able to accept it when your current favorites of the past few years are done.

Philbo
Feb 18th, 2009, 08:18 PM
Well my all time fave was Martina Navratilova, so its not been the same for me since she retired. THen she made the doubles comeback which was just amazing and such a bonus.. But this is where you find out whether you actually have an appreciation for the sport of tennis, or whether you just were a fan of a few top players that you began to follow back in 2001.

If you are a real fan of the sport of tennis, you keep following it and find new players to support with each new generation. Its never the same as your initial fave, but its still definitely worth it if you really enjoy the game of tennis. After a while you follow it for long enough that you can compare different players of different generations and compare times when the tour was strong and times when it was weaker etc.. its all fascinating..

hablo
Feb 18th, 2009, 08:19 PM
If you are a real fan of the sport of tennis, you keep following it and find new players to support with each new generation. Its never the same as your initial fave, but its still definitely worth it if you really enjoy the game of tennis. After a while you follow it for long enough that you can compare different players of different generations and compare times when the tour was strong and times when it was weaker etc.. its all fascinating..

Exactly. Well put.

Sean.
Feb 18th, 2009, 08:20 PM
You'll adjust. :)

I think the problem is that the current (WS/JCap/Henin/Momo..) generation came through quite young and (some) have stayed around a long time, add to that that the generation above them (Graf/Seles...) retired fairly early, then the next generation (Ana/Tati/Nicole/Masha) so far really haven't got their act together (to the extent that the generation after them Caro/Alizé/Aga may pass them before they peak).

So the current generation has dominated for a long time. So we've got used to that.

Edinboro
Feb 18th, 2009, 08:25 PM
Well my all time fave was Martina Navratilova, so its not been the same for me since she retired. THen she made the doubles comeback which was just amazing and such a bonus.. But this is where you find out whether you actually have an appreciation for the sport of tennis, or whether you just were a fan of a few top players that you began to follow back in 2001.

If you are a real fan of the sport of tennis, you keep following it and find new players to support with each new generation. Its never the same as your initial fave, but its still definitely worth it if you really enjoy the game of tennis. After a while you follow it for long enough that you can compare different players of different generations and compare times when the tour was strong and times when it was weaker etc.. its all fascinating..


See I think that is part of my problem. Ive been watching the same players for the last 5 years. I dont want change. I want them to play forever. lol I only give players like Venus and Serena, Elena, Svetlana, even Jelena like 2 years.

Svetlana.
Feb 18th, 2009, 08:32 PM
Maybe you should be more open minded about upcoming new generation of players. I'm sure you can find a few youngster to like and gradually see them advancing to that tempting #1 spot. You have to be a soldier first before getting to a general rank.

Svetlana.
Feb 18th, 2009, 08:34 PM
but I agree with you in some sense... ones Williams sisters would retire many of their current fans would disappear from this board.

saul1333
Feb 18th, 2009, 08:39 PM
you may think it would be difficult to find someone to pull for once your favorites retire but once it happens it would probably be easier.

meyerpl
Feb 18th, 2009, 08:41 PM
but I agree with you in some sense... ones Williams sisters would retire many of their current fans would disappear from this board.Then they aren't tennis fans, they're Williams sisters fans. (Not that there's anything wrong with that.:))
But if you're a tennis fan, just go with the flow. I've been a tennis fan for 40 years; I miss the old players and appreciate the new ones. It's all good, enjoy!:wavey:

miffedmax
Feb 18th, 2009, 08:43 PM
I always follow tennis, but there's definitely a huge variation in passion. I loved Ashe (I was very young at the time and had no idea of how important he was--to me, he was a tall, kind of skinny guy who wore glasses and used big words, which was very important when you were a tall, skinny guy who wore glasses and used big words and were desperately trying to find a sport at which you did not suck), the Navratilova, then Mecir and Bassett, then Martin, but I never, ever really had the kind of passion I felt for Ashe and Navratilova. I thought it was old age and maturity, until I caught some highlights of a Gold Medal match in Sydney between my then sort of fave Venus and this kind of goofy cute, blond-banged Russian kid...

Well, the moral of the story is never say never.

Svetlana.
Feb 18th, 2009, 08:46 PM
But if you're a tennis fan, just go with the flow. I've been a tennis fan for 40 years; I miss the old players and appreciate the new ones. It's all good, enjoy!:wavey:


I am the same way. I love tennis and always keep my eyes open for new and talented players.

hellas719
Feb 18th, 2009, 09:56 PM
Check the player forums;)

You can find new players to support.

I'm not saying Eugenie Bouchard, Laura Robson, or Petra Uberalova. You don't have to go that young;)
Try the Vika/Caro/Alize/Aga/Carla generation. Also, iPatty's thread is really good.

volta
Feb 18th, 2009, 10:26 PM
but I agree with you in some sense... ones Williams sisters would retire many of their current fans would disappear from this board.

yeah cuz most of us only have the WS as our favs :weirdo: i mean everyone else is here for the sport MINUS the WS fans :rolleyes: i guess we could say the same about u once all the players in ur siggy retire ur going away :weirdo: oh wait, ur not a WS fan therefore ur here for the sport so that wouldn't happen ...

anyway ... the problem with the sport is that today ppl are watching matches just cuz this and that player is playing instead of appreciating the sport.
there are alot of new upcoming stars as well , wta is just adjusting right now (same happend with ATP)

ninanina19
Feb 18th, 2009, 10:33 PM
It's kind of :scared: to me that Wozniacki, Radwanska, Cornet are the next generation. I find these players so boring to watch. I like Caroline's personality, but that's about all I like about the new generation. They all seem like pushers. Azarenka isn't a pusher, but she isn't amazing by any means. The even younger generation, MLDB and Robson also lack something. MLDB is one dimensional and Robson I think will lack the athleticism and movement to ever truly be a great. There seem to be no Serena Venus like players coming up.

kiwifan
Feb 18th, 2009, 10:33 PM
Seems there are a lot more Russians posting here and a lot fewer Belgians since when I first started...

...Williams fans just "keep on keeping on".

FYI - I've been playing and following tennis since before Venus and Serena were born and I LOVE the Williams Sisters!!!

:dance:

The game is just fine and will continue to be fine* as long as there are a few women willing to play good attacking tennis. :cool:

*I still remember when there was no one to root for other than Gabby and ASV if you didn't care for Graf, now that was when the tour was in the pits.

Helen Lawson
Feb 18th, 2009, 10:40 PM
It's kind of :scared: to me that Wozniacki, Radwanska, Cornet are the next generation. I find these players so boring to watch. I like Caroline's personality, but that's about all I like about the new generation. They all seem like pushers. Azarenka isn't a pusher, but she isn't amazing by any means. The even younger generation, MLDB and Robson also lack something. MLDB is one dimensional and Robson I think will lack the athleticism and movement to ever truly be a great. There seem to be no Serena Venus like players coming up.

I feel the same way, sadly. These new crop of girls does nothing for me. Dull as hell. Dull games, and all choke-artists which to me is even worse. Trash Big Masha if you want, but can you imagine any of today's girls walking out on Center Court at 17 at Wimbledon and trashing Serena in straight sets in a final? No. Dull game, no guts, and no one hits like a Justine or an Amelie either. There's just not much I'm seeing right now.

volta
Feb 18th, 2009, 10:40 PM
It's kind of :scared: to me that Wozniacki, Radwanska, Cornet are the next generation. I find these players so boring to watch. I like Caroline's personality, but that's about all I like about the new generation. They all seem like pushers. Azarenka isn't a pusher, but she isn't amazing by any means. The even younger generation, MLDB and Robson also lack something. MLDB is one dimensional and Robson I think will lack the athleticism and movement to ever truly be a great. There seem to be no Serena Venus like players coming up.

they seem to blossom their tennis later unlike Venus ,Serena and Maria. i guess that it all depends of the kind of tennis u like, (i hate the word pushers to me only players like Smashnova , Panova etc... are/were pushers) if it's more attacking or more of a mix.
i think it's going to be really interesting to see how their tennis will develop (even though it's hard to see them as a threat to win a GS).
the Champion mentality is something that basicly 90% of the tour is lacking and imo that's what's hurting/going to hurt WTA

ninanina19
Feb 18th, 2009, 10:51 PM
they seem to blossom their tennis later unlike Venus ,Serena and Maria. i guess that it all depends of the kind of tennis u like, (i hate the word pushers to me only players like Smashnova , Panova etc... are/were pushers) if it's more attacking or more of a mix.
i think it's going to be really interesting to see how their tennis will develop (even though it's hard to see them as a threat to win a GS).
the Champion mentality is something that basicly 90% of the tour is lacking and imo that's what's hurting/going to hurt WTA

Maybe they're not pushers, but they don't do anything exceptionally well. There's nothing entertaining about their games.

sunsfuns
Feb 18th, 2009, 10:56 PM
I've been following tennis for some time (ca 15 years) and my interest level while never zero tends to increase or decrease according to fortunes of my favorite players... I don't know if this new generation will be exceptional, but hopefully they can provide some happy moments...

volta
Feb 18th, 2009, 10:56 PM
Maybe they're not pushers, but they don't do anything exceptionally well. There's nothing entertaining about their games.

i see what you mean but i'm really interested on seeing what they can come up with (Caroline more so then the others though :lol:). Hopefully they will get coaches that will take their tennis to a whole new lvl, they are still young so just hang in there u might start to like one of them :hug:

Wiggly
Feb 18th, 2009, 11:32 PM
The thing is, the new generation doesn't have many (if any) player that have an exciting game and personnality.

They're all dull, chokers and pushers.

Optima
Feb 18th, 2009, 11:39 PM
Safarova is still being prepped to be the future of tennis :angel:

Edinboro
Feb 19th, 2009, 12:14 AM
I could do that Optima. I saw Safarova play Jankovic in I think Wimbledon 2007. I was so impressed by her. I hope she soon becomes a top player.

Optima
Feb 19th, 2009, 12:19 AM
I could do that Optima. I saw Safarova play Jankovic in I think Wimbledon 2007. I was so impressed by her. I hope she soon becomes a top player.

The idea of Lucie not reaching her potential (which is definitely top 5 IMO) pains me like nothing other. She has everything she needs, she just needs to be healthy and confident.

miffedmax
Feb 19th, 2009, 12:31 AM
I feel the same way, sadly. These new crop of girls does nothing for me. Dull as hell. Dull games, and all choke-artists which to me is even worse. Trash Big Masha if you want, but can you imagine any of today's girls walking out on Center Court at 17 at Wimbledon and trashing Serena in straight sets in a final? No. Dull game, no guts, and no one hits like a Justine or an Amelie either. There's just not much I'm seeing right now.

Open your window, put your hand to your ear and listen for the thunder...;):p

LindsayRulz
Feb 19th, 2009, 12:45 AM
If you are a real fan of the sport of tennis, you keep following it and find new players to support with each new generation. Its never the same as your initial fave, but its still definitely worth it if you really enjoy the game of tennis. After a while you follow it for long enough that you can compare different players of different generations and compare times when the tour was strong and times when it was weaker etc.. its all fascinating..

Not necessarily, you can not force yourself loving, it's possible to still love the sport without having too much interest in the game a generation after your real first fave retire if you can not find a player you like.

I kind of feel like the TS. I think the new generation of players coming is terribly boring. All seems to have a pushing mentality and none seems to be able to hit winners without hitting billions of UEs per match.

Inger67
Feb 19th, 2009, 01:40 AM
I know this is the sport of tennis and it is inevitable. I for instance have watched tennis ever since 2004 Wimbledon when I saw Vee get screwed out of her match against Karolina Sprem. I was 13 at the time and did have a liking but wasn't huge into it. Then around 2006/2007 I started becoming infatuated with it. And for 2007-Present I have been religiously watching it and researching it online. I literally spend 3 hours or more a day looking at current stats, rankings, up and coming players, etc. And this is all due to one player. Venus Williams. I don't know how I'm going to react when she retires. Which I hope I won't have to think about for another 4 years, as she says she wants to play one more Olympics. I mean yeah I have a liking for up and coming players (Wozniacki, Ula and Aga Radwanska, Azarenka) but I have never got those feelings in my stomach that nervous apprehension before Venus plays a big match with anyone else. I get so incredibly into her matches that I scream and yell at the tv when she hits it out and yelp for joy when she hits a huge forehand. I hope I will find that with another player but I never want to see the day Venus retires. I know it won't actually be the end of the world, but it will feel like it for a few weeks. Heck I still irk at that loss of hers at the AO. I'm sure many more will agree that when the WS retire, it will be an incredibly sad day for tennis, which I don't know if I will be ready for.

Dawn Marie
Feb 19th, 2009, 02:15 AM
I'm actually finding the young ATP players more interesting to watch. I enjoy tennis and the new generation with the atp tour is very interesting and enjoyable.

I don't see hunger and desire especially with the American girls. I find the tennis youth to all play a lot alike. The only player that I see that I like is Carla S Naverro. Azeranka may be a force but she's really a ball basher.

TEH YOUTH LACK PERSONALLITY,SPUNK,FIESTYNESS,STYLE!!

miffedmax
Feb 19th, 2009, 02:23 AM
I'm actually finding the young ATP players more interesting to watch. I enjoy tennis and the new generation with the atp tour is very interesting and enjoyable.

I don't see hunger and desire especially with the American girls. I find the tennis youth to all play a lot alike. The only player that I see that I like is Carla S Naverro. Azeranka may be a force but she's really a ball basher.

TEH YOUTH LACK PERSONALLITY,SPUNK,FIESTYNESS,STYLE!!

The thing is, I remember hearing that about a lot of the ATP players not that long ago.

That's part of the beauty of tennis. Two tours, something for everyone.

mboyle
Feb 19th, 2009, 02:37 AM
(Ana/Tati/Nicole/Masha) so far really haven't got their act together (to the extent that the generation after them Caro/Alizé/Aga may pass them before they peak).

Everyone you listed is like within 2 or 3 years of each other:lol: Sharapova is the leader of her generation. Generations, I'd say, have to be separated by at least 5 years, preferably more.

Generation of 1970--Graf, Seles, ASV, Martinez, Sabatini, etc.

In between: Pierce (closer to 1970), Davenport and Capriati (success came with generation of 1980)

Generation of 1980--Hingis, Venus, Serena, Henin, Clijsters etc.

Generation of 1990--Sharapova, Ivanovic, ?

The 1970 players all came on scene at around age 18 and lasted until their mid to late 20's. The last slam of the generation of 1970 was Roland Garros 1999. That suggests that the generation of 1980 should be almost done, but more importantly, the generation of 1990 should have started ascending to greatness by 2006/2007. Sharapova has built up a career heading in the HOF direction, but no one else has yet. This suggests that the generation of 1980 is significantly better, overall, than the generation of 1990. The only remaining prospects from the 1990 generation that have much hope left are Larcher de Brito and Robson.

Of course, one possibility is that the Age Eligibility Rules actually worked, and we'll see a new pattern emerging of players becoming slam winners in their early to mid twenties, with slam wins by teenagers becoming truly rare, rather than relatively normal. But will this new pattern also result in players competing for slams until 30 or 35? I kind of doubt it. Of course, a whole lot can change with time and predicting the future is futile as we all know, but, if the current pattern holds, I think women's tennis is in trouble. All individual sports thrive on rivalries and individual greats. Women's tennis needs a Federer vs. Nadal level rivalry, which means two (up to four, really) players that crush everyone else and produce great tennis against each other.

The golden age of tennis was Hingis vs. Venus vs. Davenport vs. Serena at its core, with Kournikova, Pierce and Capriati playing supporting roles, and the likes of Dokic and Stevenson having cool cameos that made for interesting press.

Williams vs. Williams vs. Clijsters vs. Henin never got the time to take off, due to injuries. A shame really. It was definitely promising. Williams vs. Sharapova vs. Henin was another potential triumvirate that was killed by injury. That's the real problem. Injury. I don't know why all the women get injured and all the men don't, but someone should figure something out because the injuries are killing the tour.

kiwifan
Feb 19th, 2009, 07:13 AM
Well said...:cool:Everyone you listed is like within 2 or 3 years of each other:lol: Sharapova is the leader of her generation. Generations, I'd say, have to be separated by at least 5 years, preferably more.

Generation of 1970--Graf, Seles, ASV, Martinez, Sabatini, etc.

In between: Pierce (closer to 1970), Davenport and Capriati (success came with generation of 1980)

Generation of 1980--Hingis, Venus, Serena, Henin, Clijsters etc.

Generation of 1990--Sharapova, Ivanovic, ?

The 1970 players all came on scene at around age 18 and lasted until their mid to late 20's. The last slam of the generation of 1970 was Roland Garros 1999. That suggests that the generation of 1980 should be almost done, but more importantly, the generation of 1990 should have started ascending to greatness by 2006/2007. Sharapova has built up a career heading in the HOF direction, but no one else has yet. This suggests that the generation of 1980 is significantly better, overall, than the generation of 1990. The only remaining prospects from the 1990 generation that have much hope left are Larcher de Brito and Robson.

Of course, one possibility is that the Age Eligibility Rules actually worked, and we'll see a new pattern emerging of players becoming slam winners in their early to mid twenties, with slam wins by teenagers becoming truly rare, rather than relatively normal. But will this new pattern also result in players competing for slams until 30 or 35? I kind of doubt it. Of course, a whole lot can change with time and predicting the future is futile as we all know, but, if the current pattern holds, I think women's tennis is in trouble. All individual sports thrive on rivalries and individual greats. Women's tennis needs a Federer vs. Nadal level rivalry, which means two (up to four, really) players that crush everyone else and produce great tennis against each other.

The golden age of tennis was Hingis vs. Venus vs. Davenport vs. Serena at its core, with Kournikova, Pierce and Capriati playing supporting roles, and the likes of Dokic and Stevenson having cool cameos that made for interesting press.

Williams vs. Williams vs. Clijsters vs. Henin never got the time to take off, due to injuries. A shame really. It was definitely promising. Williams vs. Sharapova vs. Henin was another potential triumvirate that was killed by injury. That's the real problem. Injury. I don't know why all the women get injured and all the men don't, but someone should figure something out because the injuries are killing the tour.

fufuqifuqishahah
Feb 19th, 2009, 07:31 AM
with some exceptions, the younger generation doesn't really seem to have the same fight / panache / personality as the current older generation.