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AnnaK_4ever
Feb 18th, 2009, 08:38 PM
QF line-up :

S.Williams v A.Ivanovic
E.Dementieva v V.Williams
E.Vesnina v K.Kanepi
V.Zvonareva v V.Razzano

The top half includes reigning US and Oz Opens champion, reigning Wimbledon and YEC champion, reigning Roland Garros champion and reigning Olympic champion who have won 18 GS titles, reached 13 GS finals, 12 semifinals and 26 quarterfinals and won two Olympic gold medals and 59 tier I/II titles combined. And only one of them will get to the final.
At the same time the bottom half consists of players who have never won a single tier II title and reached only one GS semifinal and two quarterfinals.

I don't think I have ever seen such unbalanced draw at any big tournament... :help:

Demska
Feb 18th, 2009, 08:40 PM
That's tennis for ya.

saul1333
Feb 18th, 2009, 08:40 PM
a little top heavy.

spartanfan
Feb 18th, 2009, 08:41 PM
Yea, its pretty sad. The winner will definitely come from the top half, named Williams..

Miss Amor
Feb 18th, 2009, 08:41 PM
Aus open Draw was the same (though not all the seeds managed to reach the QF, but the base draw was almost the same) Only difference is, instead of the reigning RG champ, there was former US open champ in the WS-Lena half.

Dodoboy.
Feb 18th, 2009, 08:44 PM
:haha: Vera :hug: No wonder she's top 5 :p

j/k

Dexter
Feb 18th, 2009, 08:46 PM
Allez Kanepi!

sammy01
Feb 18th, 2009, 08:47 PM
yep vera will reach another big final and lose.

Elwin.
Feb 18th, 2009, 08:50 PM
I soo hope Vera is going to make the final :help:

AnnaK_4ever
Feb 18th, 2009, 08:53 PM
But seriously it's crazy that the reigning champions of all slams, YEC, Olympics, Miami and Indian Wells all are in the same half of the draw.

misael
Feb 18th, 2009, 08:54 PM
It's so stupid to complain about the draws all the time. #1 goes on one side # 2 on the other , #3 and #4 on seperate halfs, if Venus was #2 then she would be seeded on the opposite side of Serena, Also in this particular tournament Jelena , Svetlana, and Dinara were all upset by lower ranked players.

hablo
Feb 18th, 2009, 09:07 PM
It's so stupid to complain about the draws all the time. #1 goes on one side # 2 on the other , #3 and #4 on seperate halfs, if Venus was #2 then she would be seeded on the opposite side of Serena, Also in this particular tournament Jelena , Svetlana, and Dinara were all upset by lower ranked players.

Good point.

AnnaK_4ever
Feb 18th, 2009, 09:12 PM
Also in this particular tournament Jelena , Svetlana, and Dinara were all upset by lower ranked players.

Good point.

Not true. They beat themselves.

sunsfuns
Feb 18th, 2009, 09:15 PM
It looks ridiculous now, but it didn't start this bad.

hablo
Feb 18th, 2009, 09:16 PM
Not true. They beat themselves.

:ras:

Andrew Laeddis
Feb 18th, 2009, 09:18 PM
:haha: Vera :hug: No wonder she's top 5 :p

j/k

Thats pretty much how she did well at the big event in the first half of last year. The second she would run into a Williams, Serb or Sharapova she would lose.

Svetlana.
Feb 18th, 2009, 09:20 PM
Not true. They beat themselves.

exactly... so there is nothing wrong with the draw (it's based on the current ranking and not on the past achievements) Although, I prefer to see Elena jump to #2 position before the FO.

njnetswill
Feb 18th, 2009, 09:23 PM
S.Williams v A.Ivanovic
E.Dementieva v V.Williams

That could be the semifina lineup of a Grand Slam.

The other half could be the first round. :o

duhcity
Feb 18th, 2009, 09:24 PM
Doesn't matter.
Venus is in scary form. She probably will win anyway :D

MarieC
Feb 18th, 2009, 10:04 PM
The draws at the Aussie Open, and here in Dubai have been pretty one sided from the start. Any draw though with Safina, Zvonareva, Kuznetsova, and Jankovic on the same half as the top seeds is a recipe for disaster for the final rounds at tournaments.

Leo_DFP
Feb 18th, 2009, 10:09 PM
It looks ridiculous now, but it didn't start this bad.

But it did start bad. This draw was always top heavy. Now it's even more so!

frenchie
Feb 18th, 2009, 10:09 PM
I like it

Safina, JJ, Kuznetsova...were beaten fair and square by better players that day!
It gives the opportunity for new faces to shine

Zvonareva will reach the final anyway and will stay in the top 5 for the whole year.
Remember that!

mboyle
Feb 18th, 2009, 10:18 PM
It's so stupid to complain about the draws all the time. #1 goes on one side # 2 on the other , #3 and #4 on seperate halfs, if Venus was #2 then she would be seeded on the opposite side of Serena, Also in this particular tournament Jelena , Svetlana, and Dinara were all upset by lower ranked players.

If the rankings measured quality instead of quantity, it wouldn't happen. Vera Zvonareva would no way in holy hell be ranked above not one but two grand slam champions. Now her ranking is just going to go up even more, and it's completely outrageous.

shap_half
Feb 18th, 2009, 10:21 PM
It's so stupid to complain about the draws all the time. #1 goes on one side # 2 on the other , #3 and #4 on seperate halfs, if Venus was #2 then she would be seeded on the opposite side of Serena, Also in this particular tournament Jelena , Svetlana, and Dinara were all upset by lower ranked players.

Still, even if those three didn't get upset, there would only be one GS on that side of the draw...and the owner of that GS is slowly but surely becoming an inconsequential name in the later rounds of tournaments.

Marionated
Feb 18th, 2009, 10:21 PM
I have a feeling Vera is going to lose another big final. Last year, she lost in Doha, Charelston, Moscow and the Yec.

frenchie
Feb 18th, 2009, 10:21 PM
If the rankings measured quality instead of quantity, it wouldn't happen. Vera Zvonareva would no way in holy hell be ranked above not one but two grand slam champions. Now her ranking is just going to go up even more, and it's completely outrageous.

Vera is the most complete player around
She is having amazing results for more than a year now. She deserves her top5 spot

And that's only the beginning of her rise:worship:
Get used to it;)

goldenlox
Feb 18th, 2009, 10:24 PM
The 4 players in the top half hold the last 4 majors the Olympic Gold and YEC, Miami and IW titles.
Bottom half, what's the biggest title any of those 4 have EVER won?

shap_half
Feb 18th, 2009, 10:25 PM
If the rankings measured quality instead of quantity, it wouldn't happen. Vera Zvonareva would no way in holy hell be ranked above not one but two grand slam champions. Now her ranking is just going to go up even more, and it's completely outrageous.

Let's face it though, right now Bepa Zvonareva is playing better tennis than both Ana and Venus. Bepa has consistently put up great performances. AI is struggling to string together wins and Venus hardly competes when she's not playing on grass. It's not outrageous; it's tennis. I hope Bepa wins this tournament.

shap_half
Feb 18th, 2009, 10:27 PM
I have a feeling Vera is going to lose another big final. Last year, she lost in Doha, Charelston, Moscow and the Yec.

She lost to Sharapova, Serena, JJ, and Venus. It's not like she's dropping these finals to random nobodies. At some point, she'll take that final step. I hope it's here.

goldenlox
Feb 18th, 2009, 10:28 PM
The 2007 USO quarters were lopsided also.
Justine-Serena
Venus-Jelena

And Sveta and ACHAK won their quarters.

AnnaK_4ever
Feb 18th, 2009, 10:38 PM
The 2007 USO quarters were lopsided also.
Justine-Serena
Venus-Jelena

And Sveta and ACHAK won their quarters.

OMG, I forgot about that! :tape:

shap_half
Feb 18th, 2009, 10:56 PM
The 2007 USO quarters were lopsided also.
Justine-Serena
Venus-Jelena

And Sveta and ACHAK won their quarters.

With Peer and Szavay? It was ridiculous.

Matt01
Feb 18th, 2009, 11:02 PM
Dubai : The most ridiculous draw ever


There's nothing ridiculous about it. That happens when the favorites who were losing were al in the same half :shrug: And besides Ana was slumping before the tournament and we all know Venus' results off grass in the last few years.

The only ridiculous thing is that German ES will show all matches from the bottom half tomorrow and not the matches from the top half :rolleyes:

jjcrew#1
Feb 18th, 2009, 11:09 PM
Doesn't matter.
Venus is in scary form. She probably will win anyway :D

Yeah thats all we heard at the Australian Open to and look what happen! :tape:

Dodoboy.
Feb 18th, 2009, 11:10 PM
There's nothing ridiculous about it. That happens when the favorites who were losing were al in the same half :shrug: And besides Ana was slumping before the tournament and we all know Venus' results off grass in the last few years.

The only ridiculous thing is that German ES will show all matches from the bottom half tomorrow and not the matches from the top half :rolleyes:

Zurich and YEC didn't stop this nonsense?

Dave.
Feb 18th, 2009, 11:12 PM
Lindsay :sobbing:

LeRoy.
Feb 18th, 2009, 11:15 PM
For an analogy its like Serena's upper body has been morphed on Golovin's lower half. :shrug: :tape:

pav
Feb 18th, 2009, 11:40 PM
If the rankings measured quality instead of quantity, it wouldn't happen. Vera Zvonareva would no way in holy hell be ranked above not one but two grand slam champions. Now her ranking is just going to go up even more, and it's completely outrageous.
The only thing outrageous is some of your statements, her ranking will be lucky to stay at 5 Venus is playing well and right behind her,and there is a big gap above,why all this raving about slam champs all of those were,
believe it or not non slam winners at some stage, and all this quality over quantity is overused drivel, it can be described as supporting the tour or not , or as lazy or not ,or pot hunting just the majors or not!
I think a lot of this grizzling about draws translates to"My fav. players were unlucky in the draw" do people want every draw manipulated? I read after the draw came out that JJ was thru, uh oh! I remember you writing that Bepa Z. was a russian clone,the same as many others while touting Nicole V. Why not enjoy things as they turn out instead of wanting the same old boring players in every final? Bepa could well lose next round to Razzano but if it happens I've got to accept it. Ivanovic is a slam champ ,do you think she should be fast tracked to a semi,or should she have to play her way there? the answer is obvious(to me anyway)

Matt01
Feb 19th, 2009, 12:30 AM
Zurich and YEC didn't stop this nonsense?


No, two whopping wins at (semi-)big tournaments off grass didn't stop this "nonsense" :rolleyes:

court70
Feb 19th, 2009, 01:08 AM
QF line-up :

S.Williams v A.Ivanovic
E.Dementieva v V.Williams
E.Vesnina v K.Kanepi
V.Zvonareva v V.Razzano

The top half includes reigning US and Oz Opens champion, reigning Wimbledon and YEC champion, reigning Roland Garros champion and reigning Olympic champion who have won 18 GS titles, reached 13 GS finals, 12 semifinals and 26 quarterfinals and won two Olympic gold medals and 59 tier I/II titles combined. And only one of them will get to the final.
At the same time the bottom half consists of players who have never won a single tier II title and reached only one GS semifinal and two quarterfinals.

I don't think I have ever seen such unbalanced draw at any big tournament... :help:

I keep telling you guys these draws are fixed big time. When JJ was #1 she always got easy draws Serena, is #1 and look at the tough draws she's getting...unfrigging believable.:fiery:

Malva
Feb 19th, 2009, 01:17 AM
I don't think I have ever seen such unbalanced draw at any big tournament... :help:

I agree with everything you say except one thing: this is not a draw. Therefore cannot be ridiculous or anything. This is the result of all top players in the bottom half having been beaten against all expectations by players far behind them in the ranking.

The draw it was before the Round 1 matches were played.

starin
Feb 19th, 2009, 01:22 AM
the top 1/2 is like the final four of a slam while the bottom half is like a final four of a Tier III.

Malva
Feb 19th, 2009, 01:24 AM
the top 1/2 is like the final four of a slam while the bottom half is like a final four of a Tier III.

You mean of "a Tier IV"?

~Cherry*Blossom~
Feb 19th, 2009, 01:36 AM
S.Williams v A.Ivanovic
E.Dementieva v V.Williams

That could be the semifina lineup of a Grand Slam.

The other half could be the first round. :o

:lol: So true

Uranium
Feb 19th, 2009, 01:40 AM
The 2007 USO quarters were lopsided also.
Justine-Serena
Venus-Jelena

And Sveta and ACHAK won their quarters.

I was going to post that, Sveta and Anna beat Szavay and Peer.

Uranium
Feb 19th, 2009, 01:41 AM
No, two whopping wins at (semi-)big tournaments off grass didn't stop this "nonsense" :rolleyes:

:lol:, stop trying so hard:hug:

alfonsojose
Feb 19th, 2009, 02:55 AM
It's so stupid to complain about the draws all the time. #1 goes on one side # 2 on the other , #3 and #4 on seperate halfs, if Venus was #2 then she would be seeded on the opposite side of Serena, Also in this particular tournament Jelena , Svetlana, and Dinara were all upset by lower ranked players.

:yeah:

Inger67
Feb 19th, 2009, 03:08 AM
Yeah thats all we heard at the Australian Open to and look what happen! :tape:


Hey now don't be like that. Your favorite just lost to an overweight, slow, and struggling player today:angel:

Venus is in great form right now and will win this tournament :):kiss:

skanky~skanketta
Feb 19th, 2009, 03:12 AM
I desperately want Vera to win this title.

miffedmax
Feb 19th, 2009, 03:15 AM
I think the draw was top heavy. I hate that Lena drew Vee and Ree, but yeah, upsets made it look worse.

SIN DIOS NI LEY
Feb 19th, 2009, 03:16 AM
Thanks to easy draws Safina is 2 in the rank

MisterMan
Feb 19th, 2009, 03:16 AM
uhhh that's what happens in a RANDOM draw.

Caillou
Feb 19th, 2009, 03:16 AM
ohhhh dear..it seems far too often that venus and serena are stuck in the same half..VENUS ITS ALL UR FAULT! ;)

AnomyBC
Feb 19th, 2009, 03:44 AM
Yeah, I was thinking that too. Definitely an extremely lopsided draw. At least it's a good opportunity for Vera anyway. :shrug:

Inger67
Feb 19th, 2009, 03:50 AM
Yeah, I was thinking that too. Definitely an extremely lopsided draw. At least it's a good opportunity for Vera anyway. :shrug:

It's ALWAYS a good opportunity for Vera.:rolleyes:

SAEKeithSerena
Feb 19th, 2009, 04:01 AM
absolutely insane.

Inger67
Feb 19th, 2009, 04:06 AM
Don't be too offended by this but I find it interesting :):

Doha 08'
R64 RODIONOVA, ANASTASIA RUS 86 W 6-0 6-3
R32 (17)SCHIAVONE, FRANCESCA ITA 23 W 2-6 6-3 6-4
R16 (11) SAFINA, DINARA RUS 15 W 7-5 6-3
QF (15) BAMMER, SYBILLE AUT 19 W 2-6 6-2 6-0
SF LI, NA CHN 29 W 3-6 6-3 6-3
F (4) SHARAPOVA, MARIA RUS 5 L 6-1 2-6 6-0

Bangalore 08'
R32 (Q) NICULESCU, MONICA ROU 123 W 4-6 6-3 6-1
R16 (Q) SZATMARI, AGNES ROU 271 W 7-6(5) 6-1
Q (2) WILLIAMS, VENUS USA 7 L 6-4 6-3

Indian Wells 08'
R128 BYE
R64 REZAI, ARAVANE FRA 55 W 6-3 3-6 6-3
R32 (Q) VOSKOBOEVA, GALINA RUS 113 W 6-0 6-3
R16 DELLACQUA, CASEY AUS 56 W 6-7(5) 6-0 6-4
QF (1) IVANOVIC, ANA SRB 2 L 6-1 6-4

Miami 08'
R128 BYE
R64 (Q) BYCHKOVA, EKATERINA RUS 105 W 3-6 6-3 6-2
R32 (Q) KLEYBANOVA, ALISA RUS 83 W 6-1 6-4
R16 SUGIYAMA, AI JPN 40 W 6-2 6-7(5) 6-0
QF (13) SAFINA, DINARA RUS 13 W 7-5 6-4
SF (4) JANKOVIC, JELENA SRB 3 L 6-1 6-4

French Open 08'
R128(W) FORETZ, STEPHANIE FRA 121 W 6-2 6-1
R64 COHEN-ALORO, STEPHANIE FRA 85 W 6-2 6-4
R32 WOZNIAK, ALEKSANDRA CAN 140 W 6-2 6-2
R16 (7) DEMENTIEVA, ELENA RUS 8 L 6-4 1-6 6-2

Olympics 08'
PRE LI, NA CHN 42 W 6-0 7-5
R64 YAN, ZI CHN 52 W 6-2 6-0
R32 PEER, SHAHAR ISR 24 W 6-3 7-6(4)
R16 SCHIAVONE, FRANCESCA ITA 26 W 7-6(4) 6-4
QF BAMMER, SYBILLE AUT 32 W 6-3 3-6 6-3
SF (5) DEMENTIEVA, ELENA RUS 7 L 6-3 7-6(3)

Beijing 08'
R32 BYE
R16 SCHIAVONE, FRANCESCA ITA 23 W 7-6(5) 6-2
Q MEDINA GARRIGUES, ANABEL ESP 27 W 6-0 6-1
S (1) JANKOVIC, JELENA SRB 2 L 6-4 2-6 6-4

Australian Open 09'
R128 RYBARIKOVA, MAGDALENA SVK 50 W 7-6(2) 6-0
R64 GALLOVITS, EDINA ROU 76 W 6-0 6-0
R32 ERRANI, SARA ITA 39 W 6-4 6-1
R16 (10) PETROVA, NADIA RUS 11 W 7-5 6-4
Q (16) BARTOLI, MARION FRA 17 W 6-3 6-0
S (3) SAFINA, DINARA RUS 3 L 6-3 7-6(4)


These are all of Vera's "easy" draws over the past two seasons where she made it to the QF or better(except 4r at RG) and excluding her 4 Mickey Mouse tournaments where she won all of them with little competition.

Hm. Interesting to see :)

Tennisation
Feb 19th, 2009, 04:08 AM
seriously Venus, it's time to get that ranking up hoebag :lol:

Sharapova's_Boy
Feb 19th, 2009, 04:13 AM
F: (Any)Top Half def. Zvonareva.

ANz
Feb 19th, 2009, 04:47 AM
Lets do a simple check!
1. Lets go back in time to the first day of this event.
2. Lets remove WS from the draw temporary.

What do we have now? Dementieva and Ivanivic on one side and Safina, Kuznetsova and JJ on the other. This looks prety balanced to me. Now if we agree on this conclusion, we can also conclude that whole disbalance is in WS. They can be in one side of the draw or they can be in different sides of the draw. The only real reason to complain is to complain about WS been in the same half of the draw. And the rest is BS.

Slammer7
Feb 19th, 2009, 05:12 AM
QF line-up :

S.Williams v A.Ivanovic
E.Dementieva v V.Williams
E.Vesnina v K.Kanepi
V.Zvonareva v V.Razzano

The top half includes reigning US and Oz Opens champion, reigning Wimbledon and YEC champion, reigning Roland Garros champion and reigning Olympic champion who have won 18 GS titles, reached 13 GS finals, 12 semifinals and 26 quarterfinals and won two Olympic gold medals and 59 tier I/II titles combined. And only one of them will get to the final.
At the same time the bottom half consists of players who have never won a single tier II title and reached only one GS semifinal and two quarterfinals.

I don't think I have ever seen such unbalanced draw at any big tournament... :help:

OK, the 18GS titles is right, but it's 31 GS Finals and 42 GS semis and 67 GS quarters and 5 Gold medals if you count V%S doubles gold as two separate medals. These draws are going to continue to be like this until either Venus gets in the top 4 or "the no sisters and both Serbs" both in the same half law is passed.:lol:

Temperenka
Feb 19th, 2009, 05:14 AM
Ugh. Venus and Ana need to get their tails back to the Top 4.
It should be a Serena, Venus, Ana, Maria Top 4. Order would be restored. :drool:

rjd1111
Feb 19th, 2009, 06:17 AM
It's so stupid to complain about the draws all the time. #1 goes on one side # 2 on the other , #3 and #4 on seperate halfs, if Venus was #2 then she would be seeded on the opposite side of Serena, Also in this particular tournament Jelena , Svetlana, and Dinara were all upset by lower ranked players.

Yea, But those 3 have only 1 GS betwixt em.

rjd1111
Feb 19th, 2009, 06:24 AM
Vera is the most complete player around
She is having amazing results for more than a year now. She deserves her top5 spot

And that's only the beginning of her rise:worship:
Get used to it;)

Most complete Player? Amazing results?

What the hell has she won?...that meant anything.

rjd1111
Feb 19th, 2009, 06:27 AM
Let's face it though, right now Bepa Zvonareva is playing better tennis than both Ana and Venus. Bepa has consistently put up great performances. AI is struggling to string together wins and Venus hardly competes when she's not playing on grass. It's not outrageous; it's tennis. I hope Bepa wins this tournament.

So this is not the same player I saw on her knees crying

at the YEC? ....When Venus beat her on a hardcourt at the YEC.

ANz
Feb 19th, 2009, 06:32 AM
So this is not the same player I saw on her knees crying

at the YEC? ....When Venus beat her on a hardcourt at the YEC.

Do you remember the score?

rjd1111
Feb 19th, 2009, 06:38 AM
Lets do a simple check!
1. Lets go back in time to the first day of this event.
2. Lets remove WS from the draw temporary.

What do we have now? Dementieva and Ivanivic on one side and Safina, Kuznetsova and JJ on the other. This looks prety balanced to me. Now if we agree on this conclusion, we can also conclude that whole disbalance is in WS. They can be in one side of the draw or they can be in different sides of the draw. The only real reason to complain is to complain about WS been in the same half of the draw. And the rest is BS.

And when he listed all those accomplishments of the top half

most of them belonged to someone named Williams.

Good post

rjd1111
Feb 19th, 2009, 06:40 AM
OK, the 18GS titles is right, but it's 31 GS Finals and 42 GS semis and 67 GS quarters and 5 Gold medals if you count V%S doubles gold as two separate medals. These draws are going to continue to be like this until either Venus gets in the top 4 or "the no sisters and both Serbs" both in the same half law is passed.:lol:

Lets lobby for that next.

madlove
Feb 19th, 2009, 06:41 AM
oh well... thats tennis.

Привет
Feb 19th, 2009, 06:42 AM
Make the final, Vesnina! :D

TS
Feb 19th, 2009, 06:56 AM
More free points for Vera.

rjd1111
Feb 19th, 2009, 06:59 AM
Do you remember the score?

Yes I do. 6-7, 6-0, 6-2

Vera did well to make it to the final, and played a good first set

but the second and third sets show she is not up to

some of the amazing accolades she has received in this post

I like Vera and she is a good player, But saying

She's the most complete Player, had Amazing results, and

mainly that she's better than Venus. ( especially when

Venus owns a 6-1 h2h.).....is a bit much.

bandabou
Feb 19th, 2009, 07:11 AM
Hmmm....it's just that the bottom half isn't pulling in their load..janko lost, sveta lost, dinara lost.. not a lot of consistency going on there.

Mynarco
Feb 19th, 2009, 07:15 AM
Save the tennis Vera, GET TO THE FINAL.

ANz
Feb 19th, 2009, 07:28 AM
Yes I do. 6-7, 6-0, 6-2

Vera did well to make it to the final, and played a good first set

but the second and third sets show she is not up to

some of the amazing accolades she has received in this post

I like Vera and she is a good player, But saying

She's the most complete Player, had Amazing results, and

mainly that she's better than Venus. ( especially when

Venus owns a 6-1 h2h.).....is a bit much.

And if you remember whole event you should remember how almost everyone was wating for Vera to collapse. It was evan a poll here who will go 3-0 in loosing (Vera or Kuzy). Vera managed to keep it up untill last two sets. Speaking about the most complete player I would say she is, but would remove the word 'most'. She is very good and better than many. But WS are on the different level. At least they were. And Vera has yet to prove that she is on the same level as they are (She may do it in future, may not).
But noone was saying that she is better then Venus.

Mashafaaaaan
Feb 19th, 2009, 07:36 AM
And if you remember whole event you should remember how almost everyone was wating for Vera to collapse. It was evan a poll here who will go 3-0 in loosing (Vera or Kuzy). Vera managed to keep it up untill last two sets. Speaking about the most complete player I would say she is, but would remove the word 'most'. She is very good and better than many. But WS are on the different level. At least they were. And Vera has yet to prove that she is on the same level as they are (She may do it in future, may not).
But noone was saying that she is better then Venus.

I think I get ur point, Zvonareva and even Dementieva are complete players, but they have a very important deficit of power, especially against WS and Sharapova. They can't hit winners from baseline, not like WS and Sharapova. Theye are very consistent from baseline, but nothing more, no doubt those girls have terrible problem against a players like JJ.

Square on Square
Feb 19th, 2009, 07:37 AM
You can't replace the sisters. End of story.

Noone was saying you could. And it doesn't matter. That's basically the problem that players have is that they can get away with this or that and still make rank. But I'm not going to suggest that anyone player is better than the sisters.

If a player could buy twenty minutes off (find it where you will) and change this or that, still doesn't compare to WS. Even if. It's not a different level, it's a different level. Doesn't impress me.

The draw is that a free decision? Or is that a random selection? Eh who cares.

pav
Feb 19th, 2009, 07:50 AM
I think it mainly boils down to: Our fav. players aren't arranged in the draw as we want them to be so we will start denigrating any player who we perceive might have had a bit of luck in the draw, completely fogetting the times those very same players have had shits of draws, because we don't care because our fav.have had players have had a good draw so we are happy! is that how it works:confused: Is there a need to crow on rubbish otherb players,no(well except maybe Momo!)

Cp6uja
Feb 19th, 2009, 08:39 AM
Since Svetlana Kuznetsova turning pro all mathematics rules simple not works anymore for Main Draws of WTA big events, especially probability theory... so bizzare draw results which is able to happen about once in 10 years we see often about once in 10 weeks :p :shrug:

Experimentee
Feb 19th, 2009, 11:00 AM
There seems to be more and more lopsided draws in today's tennis, as top players are weaker than before and can be upset easily.

serenus_2k8
Feb 19th, 2009, 11:19 AM
It does suck, the top half looks slam worthy and the bottom half could easily be an international :sobbing: But thats life, with Rees knee and Anas slump along with Elenas high amount of playing this year and Vees unpredictable form after AO it could have gone either way I guess.

Sylvester
Feb 19th, 2009, 12:03 PM
F: (Any)Top Half def. Zvonareva.

Well, if hell freezes over and Ivanovic makes the final, Zvonareva may have a chance against her. :lol:

AndreConrad
Feb 19th, 2009, 12:10 PM
Well, if hell freezes over and Ivanovic makes the final, Zvonareva may have a chance against her. :lol:


Why would you disqualify Vera and gave her a chance only against slumping or low ranking players? She has been having quite a few good wins so far. On the subject of this thread this draw looks kind of odd at the moment, but I guess the top half would be the same if for example one of Williams sisters had a bad day and Ana lost.

joz
Feb 19th, 2009, 12:18 PM
Depth wise, outside of the seedings, you could argue that the other half was tougher and had more depth. And... given recent form, I would not count the reigning Roland Garros Champion as somebody making a draw tough. I think she'll play well again soon, and maybe this tournament, but coming into this tournament she would not be someone who would make a draw tough.

Beat
Feb 19th, 2009, 12:20 PM
QF line-up

line-up ≠ draw

LUXXXAS
Feb 19th, 2009, 12:26 PM
what a stupid thread :o

Ingokoer
Feb 19th, 2009, 12:28 PM
I can't understand all the complaints and I wonder if some of the posters using their brain before writing:
How boring Tennis would be, if every quarterfinal in each tournament would include the Top 8 seeds. How should younger, lower ranked players start to climb up the rankings, if not by beating a Top 10 player or with a lucky draw?

Don't you have favourite players? Even if your favourite player is a Top player now, you seem to forget, that also your favourite has started as a low ranked player.
So what do you think your favourite did to reach the Top 10 or Top 20? Your favourite has surprised by beating a Top player and started to climb up the rankings by becoming a surprise quarterfinalist/ seminfinalist/ finalist at some tournaments. Thats what Kanepi or Razzanzo did this week. They also have their fans and when they become mentally stronger, such a run as here in Dubai, could be a big breakthrough for Kanepi, Razzano or Vesnina.

Golovinjured.
Feb 19th, 2009, 12:33 PM
I don't see the problem. :shrug:

So, it's ridiculous? Atleast it matches the rest of the tour.

InsideOut.
Feb 19th, 2009, 12:37 PM
Well, if hell freezes over and Ivanovic makes the final, Zvonareva may have a chance against her. :lol:

Really. It's a final, mate. Zvonareva doesn't beat Ana in a final. Every player Ana has lost to in a final before was a former no. 1.

rjd1111
Feb 19th, 2009, 01:26 PM
And if you remember whole event you should remember how almost everyone was wating for Vera to collapse. It was evan a poll here who will go 3-0 in loosing (Vera or Kuzy). Vera managed to keep it up untill last two sets. Speaking about the most complete player I would say she is, but would remove the word 'most'. She is very good and better than many. But WS are on the different level. At least they were. And Vera has yet to prove that she is on the same level as they are (She may do it in future, may not).
But noone was saying that she is better then Venus.

You're right. And Vera is capable of beating anyone.

And yes someone did say She was better than Vee.

This was the post I responded to:

Originally Posted by shap_half
Let's face it though, right now Bepa Zvonareva is playing better tennis than both Ana and Venus. Bepa has consistently put up great performances. AI is struggling to string together wins and Venus hardly competes when she's not playing on grass. It's not outrageous; it's tennis. I hope Bepa wins this tournament.

new-york
Feb 19th, 2009, 01:27 PM
Really. It's a final, mate. Zvonareva doesn't beat Ana in a final. Every player Ana has lost to in a final before was a former no. 1.

well, she was certainly playing better back then.

but if Ana reaches the final beating Serena + Dementieva / Venus, especially considering her record against them and her current form, she certainly SHOULD win the tournament and get out of the slump asap. :lol:

InsideOut.
Feb 19th, 2009, 01:29 PM
well, she was certainly playing better back then.

but if Ana reaches the final beating Serena + Dementieva / Venus, especially considering her record against them and her current form, she certainly SHOULD win the tournament and get out of the slump asap. :lol:

Yeah, if she beats Serena + Dementieva/Venus and loses to Zvonareva that would be :tape:

jrollaneres25
Feb 19th, 2009, 02:37 PM
Looks like there will be a surprise finalist in Virginie Razzano

sammy01
Feb 19th, 2009, 02:50 PM
Semi Final

Kanepi v Razzano

The First Premier 5 event :lol:

:tape:

Ryan
Feb 19th, 2009, 02:57 PM
Good for them though, they still had a difficult half of the draw - Zvonareva, Jankovic, Safina. They may not have won slams, but they're all ranked in the top 6 I believe, so Kanepi and Razzano have had to play some great tennis to make their way to the SF's. Will they win the final? Most likely not. But it will still be the highlight of their career to date, which is awesome for them.

AnnaK_4ever
Feb 19th, 2009, 02:57 PM
So it's gonna be Williams v Williams and Kanepi v Razzano :haha:

Now, that's easily the most random semifinal line-up EVER :tape:

frenchie
Feb 19th, 2009, 02:59 PM
So it's gonna be Williams v Williams and Kanepi v Razzano :haha:

Now, that's easily the most random semifinal line-up EVER :tape:

What about Suarez/Krasnoroutskaya Montreal 2003 SF:tape:

AnnaK_4ever
Feb 19th, 2009, 03:01 PM
A player who has never been in top-20 is through to a Tier I level final. I don't know if it has happened before...

Dodoboy.
Feb 19th, 2009, 03:02 PM
The night matches are a dream!

Fit for a Slam Final 4!

So exciting!

Kim's_fan_4ever
Feb 19th, 2009, 03:02 PM
Whatever. I'm by no means a Razzano fan nor a Kanepi fan but both of them have earned their spots in the semis so stop the complaining :rolleyes:

InsideOut.
Feb 19th, 2009, 03:02 PM
A player who has never been in top-20 is through to a Tier I level final. I don't know if it has happened before...

Venus was ranked in the 60's the first time she made USO final I think?

frenchie
Feb 19th, 2009, 03:03 PM
A player who has never been in top-20 is through to a Tier I level final. I don't know if it has happened before...

Krasnoroutskaya;)

Dodoboy.
Feb 19th, 2009, 03:04 PM
Whatever. I'm by no means a Razzano fan nor a Kanepi fan but both of them have earned their spots in the semis so stop the complaining :rolleyes:

Totally agreed!

AnnaK_4ever
Feb 19th, 2009, 03:04 PM
What about Suarez/Krasnoroutskaya Montreal 2003 SF:tape:

A player who has never been in top-20 is through to a Tier I level final. I don't know if it has happened before...

Here is the answer :lol:

Still, I would say Montreal 2003 semifinals were not THAT :wtf?!:

TheBoiledEgg
Feb 19th, 2009, 03:05 PM
Krasnoroutskaya;)

well she would have been alot higher had she completed even one full season.

Richie's
Feb 19th, 2009, 03:05 PM
It's not the most ridiculous draw... Just the field of the players is in a high condition and the unseeded players are better than seeded players. I always like tournaments like this, where low ranked players have their chances to success some big wins!

Chance
Feb 19th, 2009, 05:30 PM
At first I was thinking what a weak bottom draw but now people are underestimating Rassano and Kanepi. These players have defeated the seeded players and are playing well..Who knows what will happen in the final with no one expecting too much from them...