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mauresmofan
Feb 18th, 2009, 02:24 PM
I'd absolutely love to see this match up while both are playing great tennis especially if Amélie can continue her run of form from last week. It would be a great advert for the Womens game with both moving forward to the net and playing glorius rallies. I find it very strange given that both have had their best Slam records at Wimbledon that they never crossed paths.

new-york
Feb 18th, 2009, 02:27 PM
this is exactly what i thought few days ago when the thread matchups that never seem to happen came back.

that could be something.

pollison
Feb 18th, 2009, 02:29 PM
that would be a match for the ages.
definitely agree that if it doesnt happen soon, mauresmo wont be at her best.

Dodoboy.
Feb 18th, 2009, 02:42 PM
If it's half as good as Serena v Mauresmo 2--4 we are in for it!

BuTtErFrEnA
Feb 18th, 2009, 02:45 PM
hmmmm dunno if it will be as good :lol:

2Black
Feb 18th, 2009, 02:48 PM
Maybe, maybe not ... doesn't things always come down to whether Venus is serving well @ Wimbledon

Olórin
Feb 18th, 2009, 02:48 PM
Yeah, back in the day Mauresmo always used to play Serena and Venus played Justine at Wimbly :lol:

mauresmofan
Feb 18th, 2009, 03:07 PM
They are similar in some ways Venus' serve and forehand can go off as can and do Mauresmos so there's a charming - don't know if that's the right word - vunrability from both of them but with that said Wimbledon seems to bring out their absolute best tennis. Both are great athletes and aren't afraid or intimidated by coming to net as well which is what Wimbledon is about. I'd love to see it happen this year because time is ticking and obviously deep into the second week.

vwfan
Feb 18th, 2009, 03:08 PM
yeah, I agree that it would be an interesting matchup. I like both players and it would be a real contrast in styles.

Venus would be favored, particularly after the 4th round.

2Black
Feb 18th, 2009, 03:11 PM
Isn't Serena 3-0 against Mauresmo at Wimbledon? I only remember 1 of those matches being tough

Dave.
Feb 18th, 2009, 03:15 PM
It would be a match I'd love to see, especially if they meet in the 3R or something, could be close. As vwfan said, if it was QF+ Venus would be the heavy favourite.


They did play in doubles one year IAC.

mauresmofan
Feb 18th, 2009, 03:16 PM
Their head to heads seem to say they're quite evenly matched as well just looking at so many 3 setters

1998 AUSTRALIAN OPEN HARD (O) R32 V. WILLIAMS 6-1 6-4
2001 AUSTRALIAN OPEN HARD (O) R16 V. WILLIAMS 6-2 3-6 6-3
2002 PARIS CARPET (I) S V. WILLIAMS 4-6 7-6(3) 7-5


2002 ANTWERP CARPET (I) S V. WILLIAMS 7-6(4) 6-0
2002 US OPEN HARD (O) S V. WILLIAMS 6-3 5-7 6-4


2003 WARSAW CLAY (O) F A. MAURESMO 6-7(6) 6-0 3-0
ret.

2004 BERLIN OPEN CLAY (O) F A. MAURESMO
W/O
2004 PHILADELPHIA HARD (I) Q A. MAURESMO 7-5 5-7 6-1
2005 ANTWERP CARPET (I) F A. MAURESMO 4-6 7-5 6-4

Volcana
Feb 18th, 2009, 03:37 PM
Their head to heads seem to say they're quite evenly matched as well just looking at so many 3 setters

1998 AUSTRALIAN OPEN HARD (O) R32 V. WILLIAMS 6-1 6-4
2001 AUSTRALIAN OPEN HARD (O) R16 V. WILLIAMS 6-2 3-6 6-3
2002 PARIS CARPET (I) S V. WILLIAMS 4-6 7-6(3) 7-5


2002 ANTWERP CARPET (I) S V. WILLIAMS 7-6(4) 6-0
2002 US OPEN HARD (O) S V. WILLIAMS 6-3 5-7 6-4


2003 WARSAW CLAY (O) F A. MAURESMO 6-7(6) 6-0 3-0
ret.

2004 BERLIN OPEN CLAY (O) F A. MAURESMO
W/O
2004 PHILADELPHIA HARD (I) Q A. MAURESMO 7-5 5-7 6-1
2005 ANTWERP CARPET (I) F A. MAURESMO 4-6 7-5 6-4
They haven't played in four YEARS. They've won, between them, five of the sixteen slams played since then, including all the Wimbledons. And they haven't played in four years. THAT'S what's wrong with women's tennis. The great players just don't play each other enough.

VishaalMaria
Feb 18th, 2009, 03:41 PM
I hate looking at their head to head and seeing THAT last match they played.

I can't wait for some new matches between them to develope.

Legend1
Feb 18th, 2009, 03:44 PM
I would love to see this...

Man it has been far too long since that last match at Antwerp.

What a great match it was tho :worship:

spartanfan
Feb 18th, 2009, 03:45 PM
4 Years. WOW thats a long time for two top player to have not played each other.

tonythetiger
Feb 18th, 2009, 04:11 PM
Venus played like crap at Antwerp. She was leading in that second set and completely lost focus (choked) and couldn't cross the finish line to receive that diamond racquet. I hate Momo for taking that win from Venus. LOL!

vwfan
Feb 18th, 2009, 04:17 PM
Their head to heads seem to say they're quite evenly matched as well just looking at so many 3 setters

1998 AUSTRALIAN OPEN HARD (O) R32 V. WILLIAMS 6-1 6-4
2001 AUSTRALIAN OPEN HARD (O) R16 V. WILLIAMS 6-2 3-6 6-3
2002 PARIS CARPET (I) S V. WILLIAMS 4-6 7-6(3) 7-5


2002 ANTWERP CARPET (I) S V. WILLIAMS 7-6(4) 6-0
2002 US OPEN HARD (O) S V. WILLIAMS 6-3 5-7 6-4


2003 WARSAW CLAY (O) F A. MAURESMO 6-7(6) 6-0 3-0
ret.

2004 BERLIN OPEN CLAY (O) F A. MAURESMO
W/O
2004 PHILADELPHIA HARD (I) Q A. MAURESMO 7-5 5-7 6-1
2005 ANTWERP CARPET (I) F A. MAURESMO 4-6 7-5 6-4

Don't remind us. :rolleyes:

Venus used to have a hard time with Momo, but would always prevail before 2003. So Venus fans can point to two things in Venus' career that Momo interrupted: that Warsaw final where Vee strained her abs playing Momo :mad: and Momo beating her in Antwerp in 2005 to prevent her from winning the diamond racket.

I change my mind. I guess I don't like Momo that much after all.:lol:

Still a Wimbledon match between the two would be interesting.

vwfan
Feb 18th, 2009, 04:18 PM
Venus played like crap at Antwerp. She was leading in that second set and completely lost focus (choked) and couldn't cross the finish line to receive that diamond racquet. I hate Momo for taking that win from Venus. LOL!I just posted the same thing. :lol:

vwfan
Feb 18th, 2009, 04:21 PM
I would love to see this...

Man it has been far too long since that last match at Antwerp.

What a great match it was tho :worship:It was not a great match. :tape::lol:
Venus was violated. :help:

spencercarlos
Feb 18th, 2009, 04:26 PM
Their head to heads seem to say they're quite evenly matched as well just looking at so many 3 setters

1998 AUSTRALIAN OPEN HARD (O) R32 V. WILLIAMS 6-1 6-4
2001 AUSTRALIAN OPEN HARD (O) R16 V. WILLIAMS 6-2 3-6 6-3
2002 PARIS CARPET (I) S V. WILLIAMS 4-6 7-6(3) 7-5


2002 ANTWERP CARPET (I) S V. WILLIAMS 7-6(4) 6-0
2002 US OPEN HARD (O) S V. WILLIAMS 6-3 5-7 6-4


2003 WARSAW CLAY (O) F A. MAURESMO 6-7(6) 6-0 3-0
ret.

2004 BERLIN OPEN CLAY (O) F A. MAURESMO
W/O
2004 PHILADELPHIA HARD (I) Q A. MAURESMO 7-5 5-7 6-1
2005 ANTWERP CARPET (I) F A. MAURESMO 4-6 7-5 6-4
Another prove that Venus only dominated Mauresmo, Henin, Clijsters like players before 2003. After that it goes downhil.

I will never forget the people on board here labeling and saying Mauresmo ChokoMomo outloud, and boom the Antwerp diamond racket got lost because of that same ChokoMomo in 2004 because of Venus choke :lol:

And the irony is that it was Mauresmo the one who got the racket :lol:

TomTennis
Feb 18th, 2009, 05:14 PM
Another prove that Venus only dominated Mauresmo, Henin, Clijsters like players before 2003. After that it goes downhil.

I will never forget the people on board here labeling and saying Mauresmo ChokoMomo outloud, and boom the Antwerp diamond racket got lost because of that same ChokoMomo in 2004 because of Venus choke :lol:

And the irony is that it was Mauresmo the one who got the racket :lol:

I know you piss a lot of people off on this board, but usually you have some valid points to make, but this once takes the cake :rolleyes:

Mauresmo and Venus both played like juniors in their Philly match in 04, and Momo deserved to win in Antwerp because Venus just couldnt put her away. But their other two matches (one a retirement and one a walkoever) are hardly evident that Venus can't beat them since 2003.

Venus and Henin have played only once since 03, and it was a really good competitive match, I think Venus and Clijsters played about 2-3 times, so its hardly enough to base a statement as ridiculous as that.

If Venus had played Momo/Henin/Clisjters a good 4 or 5 times each since 2003, then yes, your statement would be valid, but thats just not the case.

TomTennis
Feb 18th, 2009, 05:17 PM
A Venus/Momo match at Wimbledon would be good :worship:

There 2002 US Open Semi was pretty high quality. Probably their best match in my opinion.

Andrew Laeddis
Feb 18th, 2009, 05:18 PM
Venus had no business losing that match at Antwerp. :o

Tennis was so stressful when I was a Vee fan. :lol:

Legend1
Feb 18th, 2009, 05:20 PM
:lol: at all the bitterness about Antwerp '05

I bet that diamond racket sure looks good in Momo's trophy cabinet :tape:

Infiniti2001
Feb 18th, 2009, 05:21 PM
Another prove that Venus only dominated Mauresmo, Henin, Clijsters like players before 2003. After that it goes downhil.

I will never forget the people on board here labeling and saying Mauresmo ChokoMomo outloud, and boom the Antwerp diamond racket got lost because of that same ChokoMomo in 2004 because of Venus choke :lol:

And the irony is that it was Mauresmo the one who got the racket :lol:

Sometimes it's better to keep your trap shut . I mean WTF is this crap ?:help: Was Venus ever the same after Wimbledon 2003 retard?

hablo
Feb 18th, 2009, 05:35 PM
:lol: at all the bitterness about Antwerp '05

I bet that diamond racket sure looks good in Momo's trophy cabinet :tape:

Has Momo even bothered to pick up that racket? Last I heard it was still in Antwerp a year after her win. :haha::o

I don't know about this Amélie vs Venus match-up at Wimbledon. I'm going to wait to see how the Frenchwoman plays in the next couple tournaments before I take a stand. :p

LindsayRulz
Feb 18th, 2009, 05:41 PM
Believe me Momo fans, you don't want this to happen. :tape:

(My fave kind of don't have a good record vs Vee at Wimbly :lol::o)

But I'm sure it would give us a beautiful match anyways with the contrast of style. :)

améliemomo
Feb 18th, 2009, 05:41 PM
I would love to see this...

Man it has been far too long since that last match at Antwerp.

What a great match it was tho :worship:

yes venus was playing amazingly well for the first part of the match then amelie stepped it up by trying different things,mixed it up :hearts: and finally took the win.
Always tight match between them with spectacular tennis.

I m looking forward that match up in wimbledon but not only.:)

Legend1
Feb 18th, 2009, 05:45 PM
Has Momo even bothered to pick up that racket? Last I heard it was still in Antwerp a year after her win. :haha::o

I don't know about this Amélie vs Venus match-up at Wimbledon. I'm going to wait to see how the Frenchwoman plays in the next couple tournaments before I take a stand. :p

lol last i heard she hadn't... hmm whats she playing at :lol:

vwfan
Feb 18th, 2009, 05:46 PM
Sometimes it's better to keep your trap shut . I mean WTF is this crap ?:help: Was Venus ever the same after Wimbledon 2003 retard?exactly.

such an a**hole. Venus has only on occasion (and usually center court Wimbledon) matched her best form since the ab injury. Despite that she kept playing and still managed to add three Grand Slam Championships to her name and few important doubles titles as well.:worship:

Winston's Human
Feb 18th, 2009, 05:48 PM
This would be a beautiful match with contrasting styles by two very gracious champions. Definitely, a must-see match.

-VSR-
Feb 18th, 2009, 05:51 PM
Vee's 7 slams > Mauresmo's diamond racket & 1 1/2 slams. ;)

V-MAC
Feb 18th, 2009, 06:05 PM
Venus had no business losing that match at Antwerp. :o

Tennis was so stressful when I was a Vee fan. :lol:

You stopped being a Vee fan because of the stress involved?:confused:

Legend1
Feb 18th, 2009, 06:08 PM
Vee's 7 slams > Mauresmo's diamond racket & 1 1/2 slams. ;)

yes becuase that is all Amelie has won right?

2 Grand Slams
1 YEC
1 Silver Medal
oh and the Diamond Racket.... That Venus was oh so close to getting


You might want to think about what your saying before posting next time. :tape:


Sorry just a lil rant!! :lol:

The Dawntreader
Feb 18th, 2009, 06:09 PM
From a biased viewpoint, Amelie is a horrible match-up for Venus. Even though the h2h is still in Venus's favour, they've never been easy. That slice backhand is a major thorn in the side for Venus everytime she meets Mauresmo. In a battle of two great athletes, it's often a battle of wills and i always get nervous watching their matches.

A Wimby meeting would be delicious though. A contrast of styles is never so well exhibited than on grass:drool:

hablo
Feb 18th, 2009, 06:15 PM
yes becuase that is all Amelie has won right?

2 Grand Slams
1 YEC
1 Silver Medal
oh and the Diamond Racket.... That Venus was oh so close to getting


You might want to think about what your saying before posting next time. :tape:


Sorry just a lil rant!! :lol:

Are you sure you want to get into a career accomplishments debate with Venus fans, Legend1? :tape:

Direwolf
Feb 18th, 2009, 06:18 PM
yes becuase that is all Amelie has won right?

2 Grand Slams
1 YEC
1 Silver Medal
oh and the Diamond Racket.... That Venus was oh so close to getting


You might want to think about what your saying before posting next time. :tape:


Sorry just a lil rant!! :lol:

seriously
Venus 17 GrandSlams
3 Olympic Medals speaks for itself...

You might want to think about what your saying before posting next time. :tape:


Sorry just a lil rant!! :lol:

Legend1
Feb 18th, 2009, 06:26 PM
im not really getting into the career debate i just want people to realise that Amelie has a little more than the '1 1/2 grandslams' people say

I accept that Venus has had a brilliant career and im sure there are many more years of it to come.

Direwolf
Feb 18th, 2009, 06:27 PM
I think Venus would
take Amelie down in two sets at Wimbly...

I mean...
Grafs backhand i thin is as good as Momo
but Venus got low on them
and handled it well enought
to almost beat her...

but.. surely..
let us get there first before we talk bout it...

but..!!
i think...
they will never meet at Wimbledon...
but will 3 years later
at London Olympics

starin
Feb 18th, 2009, 07:11 PM
I don't want to see this cuz I think Venus would actually struggle against Mauresmo at Wimbledon. Not a good matchup for Venus at all.

DA FOREHAND
Feb 18th, 2009, 07:16 PM
I think Venus would
take Amelie down in two sets at Wimbly...

I mean...
Grafs backhand i thin is as good as Momo
but Venus got low on them
and handled it well enought
to almost beat her...

but.. surely..
let us get there first before we talk bout it...

but..!!
i think...
they will never meet at Wimbledon...
but will 3 years later
at London Olympics


Amelie is better at volleying and hitting topspin backhands. Every other catagory is owned by Steffi.

I would love to see Venus -v- Amelie
Amelie would need to Venus's serve and return to be off to win.

Matt01
Feb 18th, 2009, 07:19 PM
Amelie would need to Venus's serve and return to be off to win.


:weirdo:

Caillou
Feb 18th, 2009, 07:24 PM
venus would definately win.

2Black
Feb 18th, 2009, 07:25 PM
Again, if Venus' serve is on ... game, set, match. When that's working at Wimbledon, her entire game is ruthless. Just ask Sharapova. Plus, Serena is 3-0 against MoMo at Wimbledon & being that Venus is better on grass than Serena, plus she's always motivated there, I think she would pull it out.

DA FOREHAND
Feb 18th, 2009, 07:30 PM
:weirdo:

Are you saying you're too retarded to comprehend? Get distracted by something shiney? Speak child!

VishaalMaria
Feb 18th, 2009, 07:31 PM
yes becuase that is all Amelie has won right?

2 Grand Slams
1 YEC
1 Silver Medal
oh and the Diamond Racket.... That Venus was oh so close to getting

You might want to think about what your saying before posting next time. :tape:


Sorry just a lil rant!! :lol:

The only thing that someone can take away from that win is that Venus had to choke for Amelie to win that match. Which isn't a good thing.

spartanfan
Feb 18th, 2009, 07:33 PM
Are you saying you're too retarded to comprehend? Get distracted by something shiney? Speak child!
:rolls:

Legend1
Feb 18th, 2009, 07:41 PM
The only thing that someone can take away from that win is that Venus had to choke for Amelie to win that match. Which isn't a good thing.

Nice excuse :yeah:

OsloErik
Feb 18th, 2009, 09:23 PM
Vee's 7 slams > Mauresmo's diamond racket & 1 1/2 slams. ;)

Nobody has said that Mauresmo is the greater player. Nobody. So why you had to go and bring that into this is beyond me. That's not what this thread is about.

Matt01
Feb 18th, 2009, 09:40 PM
Are you saying you're too retarded to comprehend? Get distracted by something shiney? Speak child!


You know exactly what I meant so I don't need to bother. It's the arrogant, unclassy people like ýou who are giving the WS fans a bad name.

IceHock
Feb 18th, 2009, 09:46 PM
Vee's 7 slams > Mauresmo's diamond racket & 1 1/2 slams. ;)


arrogance and cockiness at it's finest, in no way, shape, or form does this have anything to do with what could be a blockbuster match at wimbledon, i'd be surprised if you didn't jack off to one of venus's slam wins every night.

vwfan
Feb 18th, 2009, 09:51 PM
Are you saying you're too retarded to comprehend? Get distracted by something shiney? Speak child!:lol: you're so kind to engage the young idiot.

there is a special place in heaven for you. :worship:

new-york
Feb 18th, 2009, 10:23 PM
You know exactly what I meant so I don't need to bother. It's the arrogant, unclassy people like ýou who are giving the WS fans a bad name.

and people spending their time following these people in every thread, baiting.

Dave.
Feb 18th, 2009, 10:32 PM
Believe me Momo fans, you don't want this to happen. :tape:

(My fave kind of don't have a good record vs Vee at Wimbly :lol::o)

But I'm sure it would give us a beautiful match anyways with the contrast of style. :)

:lol: :sad:

It bugs me that Grzybowska, Sprem and Jankovic did it but Lindsay never could. :sobbing:

mauresmofan
Feb 18th, 2009, 10:40 PM
Nobody has said that Mauresmo is the greater player. Nobody. So why you had to go and bring that into this is beyond me. That's not what this thread is about.

Exactly it's about the potential of having 2 of the best grass court players playing each other for the first time on grass on the biggest GS stage in the world. I don't take the Amélie can't beat Serena so there is no way she can beat Venus arguement as a valid point because Serena and Amélies head to heads reads horribly for Amélie but against Venus there seems to be more hope. I think it's because there are similar frailties in both womens games and saying Venus hammered Sharapova doesn't mean anything either because Momo plays so differently from Maria. I just find it very strange that the 2 have never met there and thought it would be interesting to see what people thought of it. And about the diamond racket Venus fans should be down on their knees being thankful to Amélie that she won that cursed thing because it took her 2 years to win another title after it.

Matt01
Feb 18th, 2009, 11:39 PM
and people spending their time following these people in every thread, baiting.


Every thread? Hardly...

Chance
Feb 18th, 2009, 11:42 PM
I've been thinking about this match for quite some time... Amelie has 3 consecutive wins over Vee but Vee on grass is a different story... Though I am no longer an Amelie fan,. I do appreciate her game (at least when it is on) and her perseverance....Hopefully this year we get to see them play against each other.

OsloErik
Feb 19th, 2009, 12:11 AM
The big thing that strikes me about their matchup on grass is the way Amelie gets much more aggressive. She has a tendency for playing passively from the baseline on a lot of surfaces, but on grass she just clicks because she knows it's the one time her superlative volleys really can make a difference.

Amelie isn't a great returner in terms of getting herself in control of the rally, but she does get a lot of returns back and in, and that actually plays well on grass, particularly if she hits the slice returns that give her time to move forward.

I have to say that while Serena wins a matchup with Amelie at least 6 out of 10 times and most likely more (on any surface, really), I think Amelie is more likely to beat Venus when Venus is clicking. Her game has less similarities to Venus's than Serena's game, and that would help her out.

alfonsojose
Feb 19th, 2009, 02:04 AM
Momo would win

vwfan
Feb 19th, 2009, 02:13 AM
:lol: :sad:

It bugs me that Grzybowska, Sprem and Jankovic did it but Lindsay never could. :sobbing:well, Sprem didn't do it.;)

vwfan
Feb 19th, 2009, 02:18 AM
The big thing that strikes me about their matchup on grass is the way Amelie gets much more aggressive. She has a tendency for playing passively from the baseline on a lot of surfaces, but on grass she just clicks because she knows it's the one time her superlative volleys really can make a difference.

Amelie isn't a great returner in terms of getting herself in control of the rally, but she does get a lot of returns back and in, and that actually plays well on grass, particularly if she hits the slice returns that give her time to move forward.

I have to say that while Serena wins a matchup with Amelie at least 6 out of 10 times and most likely more (on any surface, really), I think Amelie is more likely to beat Venus when Venus is clicking. Her game has less similarities to Venus's than Serena's game, and that would help her out.The three full matches where Momo won (deleting the w/o and retirement)weren't even convincing and we now they all came while Venus was playing the worst tennis of her career. Now, I agree that Momo is a good matchup for Vee even when Venus is on, but if she is on: Advantage Venus on every surface, including grass.

Midnight_Robber
Feb 19th, 2009, 02:20 AM
Lord...Does it have to get so ugly in here? It's just a speculation about a dream match-up that (in all probability) is never going to happen anyway. :rolleyes:

If Vee is on her game and determined, sorry but no-one is going to beat her including a crafty, volleying, slicing Amelie. If not, then Amelie could definitely send her packing because she's better at dealing with the Venus/Sharapova type games (power hitters who rely on big first serves and play the length of the court with huge groundstrokes) yet struggles against Serena's style of play (consistent 1st and second serves, actue returns and angles). (That said, I never could figure out why she didn't get past Lindsay who falls into the Vee/Pova style more than the Serena style... :confused:)

I think the best grass court players at the moment are Venus, Serena, Momo, Pova in that order.

OsloErik
Feb 19th, 2009, 05:17 AM
The three full matches where Momo won (deleting the w/o and retirement)weren't even convincing and we now they all came while Venus was playing the worst tennis of her career. Now, I agree that Momo is a good matchup for Vee even when Venus is on, but if she is on: Advantage Venus on every surface, including grass.

I don't mean that Amelie would have a greater than 50% success rate, but I think her game matches up better against Venus on grass than Serena's does. All the things that make Serena so good on grass Venus has and then some; it's hard courts where Serena's attributes outstrip. The things that make Amelie good on grass are of a different sort. As a result, there are things Venus would face against Amelie that she wouldn't be as pressured by facing Serena.

Sorry, my wording wasn't clear there.

miss_molik
Feb 19th, 2009, 06:23 AM
Would be interesting :)

bandabou
Feb 19th, 2009, 06:44 AM
The big thing that strikes me about their matchup on grass is the way Amelie gets much more aggressive. She has a tendency for playing passively from the baseline on a lot of surfaces, but on grass she just clicks because she knows it's the one time her superlative volleys really can make a difference.

Amelie isn't a great returner in terms of getting herself in control of the rally, but she does get a lot of returns back and in, and that actually plays well on grass, particularly if she hits the slice returns that give her time to move forward.

I have to say that while Serena wins a matchup with Amelie at least 6 out of 10 times and most likely more (on any surface, really), I think Amelie is more likely to beat Venus when Venus is clicking. Her game has less similarities to Venus's than Serena's game, and that would help her out.

Interesting theory....but that brings the other question: How is it that Momo can make more a match of it against Venus, but is pretty happless against Serena?

Or do the sisters REALLY have different games from each other?

OsloErik
Feb 19th, 2009, 10:46 AM
Interesting theory....but that brings the other question: How is it that Momo can make more a match of it against Venus, but is pretty happless against Serena?

Or do the sisters REALLY have different games from each other?

Well, I know you're fishing for the obvious and true answer that of course they have different games ( ;) ), but beyond the game difference there is one big difference between the two: Serena is one of the top 5 players mentally and is consistently gritty, whereas Venus comes and goes. At a tight moment in a match (say, a 2nd set tiebreaker at Wimbledon), Serena is less flappable than Venus, and when you play a game largely predicated on flapping your opponent (that can't possibly be the proper way to put this) into a shot selection that gives you an opening, Venus is your preferred prey. I say that, of course, with a bit of humor because it's a tall task regardless, but Venus has fewer options off the ground than Serena and is more prone to choose the wrong option in a tight moment.

bandabou
Feb 19th, 2009, 11:38 AM
Well, I know you're fishing for the obvious and true answer that of course they have different games ( ;) ), but beyond the game difference there is one big difference between the two: Serena is one of the top 5 players mentally and is consistently gritty, whereas Venus comes and goes. At a tight moment in a match (say, a 2nd set tiebreaker at Wimbledon), Serena is less flappable than Venus, and when you play a game largely predicated on flapping your opponent (that can't possibly be the proper way to put this) into a shot selection that gives you an opening, Venus is your preferred prey. I say that, of course, with a bit of humor because it's a tall task regardless, but Venus has fewer options off the ground than Serena and is more prone to choose the wrong option in a tight moment.

:lol: was a bit too obvious, huh?!

I see..an interesting theory. So in a sense you're saying: players shouldn't make it a MENTAL battle with Serena if they want to beat her?! Wow..amazing.

new-york
Feb 19th, 2009, 12:21 PM
:lol: :sad:

It bugs me that Grzybowska, Sprem and Jankovic did it but Lindsay never could. :sobbing:

:lol:.

she never played Venus early in the tournament. :devil:

VishaalMaria
Feb 19th, 2009, 12:28 PM
Nice excuse :yeah:

Delusional ;)

Anyway, with the match at Wimbledon, Venus would be heavily favoured since she has FIVE Wimbledon titles so will obviously be alot more confident and comfortable on court.

The reason I believe Venus is so successful at Wimbledon is because she can get down so low and hit back with interest on low balls, so that could counter-act Mauresmos slice which is effective on grass.

The Dawntreader
Feb 19th, 2009, 12:31 PM
Delusional ;)

Anyway, with the match at Wimbledon, Venus would be heavily favoured since she has FIVE Wimbledon titles so will obviously be alot more confident and comfortable on court.

The reason I believe Venus is so successful at Wimbledon is because she can get down so low and hit back with interest on low balls, so that could counter-act Mauresmos slice which is effective on grass.

I feel this is the only surface where Venus would be comfortable in handling Mauresmo's slice. On every other surface, it's an absolute nightmare for her.

VishaalMaria
Feb 19th, 2009, 12:35 PM
I feel this is the only surface where Venus would be comfortable in handling Mauresmo's slice. On every other surface, it's an absolute nightmare for her.

Venus just needs to get used to Mauresmos game, and since they havent played in four years, she'll probably have a very slow start if they do play.

However, Serena would obviously give Venus some advice and you know how Venus is with Serena, always trying to please her!

I'm getting worked up! I really want this match to happen!

The Dawntreader
Feb 19th, 2009, 12:37 PM
Venus just needs to get used to Mauresmos game, and since they havent played in four years, she'll probably have a very slow start if they do play.

However, Serena would obviously give Venus some advice and you know how Venus is with Serena, always trying to please her!

I'm getting worked up! I really want this match to happen!

Well if there's anyone with the knowledge on how to beat Mauresmo, it's Serena:lol:

Dave.
Feb 19th, 2009, 12:43 PM
well, Sprem didn't do it.;)


So Ted Watts could do it but Lindsay never could :sad: :lol:

The Dawntreader
Feb 19th, 2009, 12:45 PM
So Ted Watts could do it but Lindsay never could :sad: :lol:

Be thankful that Lindsay has a h2h advantage over Vee at the other Slams :lol:

Dave.
Feb 19th, 2009, 12:56 PM
Be thankful that Lindsay has a h2h advantage over Vee at the other Slams :lol:

Thanks for reminding me :devil:

Yeah I'm just glad they had some great matches. Just would have been nice to see Linds win on grass as it was probably her fave surface too.

The Dawntreader
Feb 19th, 2009, 12:59 PM
Thanks for reminding me :devil:

Yeah I'm just glad they had some great matches. Just would have been nice to see Linds win on grass as it was probably her fave surface too.

They were almost completely matches on grass at times. The key factors ultimately though, was Venus's movement and her mental aptitude on the surface.

If anything though, Lindsay served better in that Wimby final in '05. She just got out-fought :hug:

Dave.
Feb 19th, 2009, 01:14 PM
They were almost completely matches on grass at times. The key factors ultimately though, was Venus's movement and her mental aptitude on the surface.

If anything though, Lindsay served better in that Wimby final in '05. She just got out-fought :hug:

Well 05 is the one I still think about all the time :sad:

The others, Venus' movement was always the big advantage (vs Lindsay's rare attempts to run). Although some of the scorelines were a bit crazy. I mean 6-2 2-6 6-1 or 6-2 6-7 6-1, those third sets :tape:

The Dawntreader
Feb 19th, 2009, 01:17 PM
Well 05 is the one I still think about all the time :sad:

The others, Venus' movement was always the big advantage (vs Lindsay's rare attempts to run). Although some of the scorelines were a bit crazy. I mean 6-2 2-6 6-1 or 6-2 6-7 6-1, those third sets :tape:

The '01 semi was utterly bizarre viewing. Venus was crusing at 6-2 4-1, then suddenly Lindsay started hitting these random forehand winners:lol:

In the '03 QF, Lindsay played a brilliant second set. Venus stepped it up in the third though:drool:

Dave.
Feb 19th, 2009, 01:28 PM
The '01 semi was utterly bizarre viewing. Venus was crusing at 6-2 4-1, then suddenly Lindsay started hitting these random forehand winners:lol:

In the '03 QF, Lindsay played a brilliant second set. Venus stepped it up in the third though:drool:

random forehand winners, i love when she does those :lol:

Yeah, it's just crazy how their matches had these sudden huge changes in momentum :lol: Even in the 05 final, Lindsay was up 5-2 in the first set then Venus suddenly hits 8 winners in a row and I'm just thinking "WTF?" :lol: but that's what made them fun (if not frustrating) to watch ;)

The Dawntreader
Feb 19th, 2009, 01:31 PM
random forehand winners, i love when she does those :lol:

Yeah, it's just crazy how their matches had these sudden huge changes in momentum :lol: Even in the 05 final, Lindsay was up 5-2 in the first set then Venus suddenly hits 8 winners in a row and I'm just thinking "WTF?" :lol: but that's what made them fun (if not frustrating) to watch ;)

Like Lindsay's random drop volley down 0-5 against Serena in the Aussie final:lol:

The Venus-Lindsay matches are always fun for me. So tumultuous at times. For example, Venus's beads implosion against Lindsay at the Aussie in '99:lol:

VishaalMaria
Feb 19th, 2009, 01:36 PM
Like Lindsay's random drop volley down 0-5 against Serena in the Aussie final:lol:

The Venus-Lindsay matches are always fun for me. So tumultuous at times. For example, Venus's beads implosion against Lindsay at the Aussie in '99:lol:


I wish there was a video of this somewhere on the net, because I still don't know fully what happened.

The Dawntreader
Feb 19th, 2009, 01:38 PM
I wish there was a video of this somewhere on the net, because I still don't know fully what happened.

Beads fell off.
Venus got a point penalty, and thus lost a game.
Venus implodes.

That pretty much sums it up :haha:

VishaalMaria
Feb 19th, 2009, 01:40 PM
Beads fell off.
Venus got a point penalty, and thus lost a game.
Venus implodes.

That pretty much sums it up :haha:

What did she say? :lol::lol::lol:

Was it as bad as her outburst in the Wimbledon match against Novotna?

The Dawntreader
Feb 19th, 2009, 01:41 PM
What did she say? :lol::lol::lol:

Was it as bad as her outburst in the Wimbledon match against Novotna?

Something like:

'As if i'm doing it on purpose'

:lol:

No, it wasnt as crazy as her '98 hysterics:tape::haha:

VishaalMaria
Feb 19th, 2009, 01:45 PM
I really miss that Venus! I loved it when she got fiesty!

Dave.
Feb 19th, 2009, 01:49 PM
Like Lindsay's random drop volley down 0-5 against Serena in the Aussie final:lol:

The Venus-Lindsay matches are always fun for me. So tumultuous at times. For example, Venus's beads implosion against Lindsay at the Aussie in '99:lol:

That volley :lol: You have to wonder what goes through her head sometimes that made her want to play that one good point even though the whole set was a blowout

Yeah, always something strange happened in their matches :lol:

Dave.
Feb 19th, 2009, 01:50 PM
Something like:

'As if i'm doing it on purpose'

:lol:

No, it wasnt as crazy as her '98 hysterics:tape::haha:

:rolls:

DA FOREHAND
Feb 19th, 2009, 01:50 PM
I really miss that Venus! I loved it when she got fiesty!

She stopped doing that after Serena established herself on tour. She did have an outburst in a doubles match in recent history

OsloErik
Feb 19th, 2009, 04:13 PM
:lol: was a bit too obvious, huh?!

I see..an interesting theory. So in a sense you're saying: players shouldn't make it a MENTAL battle with Serena if they want to beat her?! Wow..amazing.

Sarcasm isn't really my thing, so if you're just being cute, go somewhere else. But if you seriously want to have this discussion, then obviously no. Serena's not going to fold. If you want to beat her, you'd better make it a pretty convincing win and get a break or two early in the set, because when it starts getting to 4-4, 5-5, or a tiebreak, her serve is much less likely to break down than yours, no matter who you are, and that's a mental strength of hers.